gearing for Maxton or Goliad

[JorNic Motorsports]

Two scenarios here;

1. ~340hp w/o OD gears. what kinda gearing numbers for F & R?

2. ~400hp w/ OD gears. what kinda gearing numbers for F & R?

One bike has an A/M sprocket cover which will only allow a 19, the other a stocker which should allow a 20. where else should we be for the paved 1 mile?

and it looks as if 3 of us from the desert SW will be making Goliads first event in '05. I had read elsewhere they were adding an event for '05 with a first possible date at the end of March. Anyone know otherwise or if they have made any decisions?

[TRNorBRN6001]

340 w/o OD and 400 w OD , Nice!!!! Can not wait to see ya run out at Goliad.

I do not know much about gearing, but since no one else has responed I figured I would give my layperson’s two cents.

I picked some of these numbers off this site. I however do not know how acurate they are.
I also guess you have to take into consideration tire circumference, wheel spin/slippage, right to left head cross wind, and the most obvious, there is only one mile. On the plus side, Goliad is as smooth as glass and I believe there is plenty of shut down space.

 HAYABUSA  GEAR RATIO & SPEED IN GEARS
Gearing    1st    2nd    3rd    4th    5th    6th
.
17/39    82    111    141    167    189    206
17/40    80    108    137    163    184    201
17/41    78    105    134    159    180    196
17/42    76    103    131    155    176    191
17/43    74    100    128    152    171    187

18/39    87    117    149    177    200    218
18/40    85    114    145    173    195   212
18/41    83    112    142    168    190   207
18/42    81    109    138    164    186   202
18/43    79    106    135    161    182    198

19/39    92    124    157    187    211    230
19/40    89    121    153    182   206    224
19/41   87    118    150    178    201    219
19/42    85    115    146    173    196    214
19/43    83    112    143    170    192    209
.
HAYABUSA  OVERDRIVE GEARS & SPEED
Gearing    1st    2nd    3rd    4th    5th    6th
.
17/40   104   141   179   213   241   262

18/40   109    147    187    223    252   273

I think with the right gearing, setup, and good conditions you should
be able to conservatively run around the following:
210MPH - 215MPH with the 340HP Bike
215MPH - 230MPH with the 400HP Bike

[JorNic Motorsports]

thanks for the effort. that is way more than I could have hoped to see.

[TRNorBRN6001]

I still believe that this is the 2005 tentative dates for Goliad's Texas Mile:

March 19-20

July 16-17   going to be HOT

Oct 22-23

If anyone has any new info please post.

Hope to see Ya out there  

[SPEED KING]

400 hp with the right rider and technique will run right at 240-250mph with a perfect launch...

[JorNic Motorsports]

how about with my "aerodynamic package?" I'm down to 306lbs.

[SPEED KING]

how about with my "aerodynamic package?" I'm down to 306lbs.

220?

[JorNic Motorsports]

I figured if I broke into triple digits I'd be doing OK

I wont be riding this year. I have a very lovely lady who is chomping at the bit to ride and a surprise rider in the works.

[02SE]

how about with my "aerodynamic package?" I'm down to 306lbs.

You need a small jockey, someone like myself.  

[SPEED KING]

how about with my "aerodynamic package?" I'm down to 306lbs.

You need a small jockey, someone like myself.  

 

[02SE]

[TRNorBRN6001]

3B you weigh 309?  Thats what I like to see!!!! Don't let any of these little skinny people talk ya into riding your bike. Stick with us 1/8th ton + riders out here. It will be good to have some big riders (PC: Heavy Hitters) out at Goliad.

PS: I heard that Maxton will be having all new classes and extra rules to get a couple more of thier buddies into the 200 club , maybe they can make us an Extra Heavy Hitters class.          

[JorNic Motorsports]

perfect. now if noonan had a twin brother... one could ride pillion.

[SPEED KING]

perfect. now if noonan had a twin brother... one could ride pillion.

                                             

[Hank]

I can be 135.I am 145 now.  

[RZ350]

I can be 120, I'm 135 now!

If I cut off my head, low 100's!!  

[JorNic Motorsports]

I havent been those numbers since, uh, maybe 2nd grade?

just jerkin your chain mr noonan. I could only hope to get out of the air like you do.

[Hank]

If I cut off my head, low 100's!!  

Shit---ya got me there.Nothing in there,so not much weight savings.

[SPEED KING]

If I cut off my head, low 100's!!  

Shit---ya got me there.Nothing in there,so not much weight savings.

[TRNorBRN6001]

Do you all realy wiegh those numbers?          

I think one of my legs wieghs that.    

You all realy need to come to the Texas Mile we will feed ya good here a big southern breakfast, heavy load of Tex-Mex for lunch, and some good old Texas BBQ for dinner.        

We need to get you skinny guys off that hummus and toffu salad diet!!    

BBB hope to see ya riding with the rest of us big boys down in Goliad.

[YAG]

Amazing how much of a diff rider weight makes at these kinds of venues.

[SPEED KING]

Amazing how much of a diff rider weight makes at these kinds of venues.

Yag not so much about the riders weight as it is the riders Size and ability to get "small" on the bike..RZ350 is the perfect size and his top speed of 242+mph proved that for his first time at Bonneville on a bike..Remember that the fastest bikes all add weight to them to assist with better traction..some of them I hear even add 300+ pounds                                              

J

[Hank]

Adding weight--hmmmm, maybe I'll give that a try next time.

[SPEED KING]

Adding weight--hmmmm, maybe I'll give that a try next time.

Hank you should add about 5.681 kilos to each side next time..

[Hank]

       

[JorNic Motorsports]

so what you are saying is if I could add my weight but not my size??? I'll see what I can do.

[Hank]

so what you are saying is if I could add my weight but not my size??? I'll see what I can do.

At your size,I don't think I would add any weight.

[JorNic Motorsports]

funny, my doctor (wife) tells me the same thing

[SPEED KING]

so what you are saying is if I could add my weight but not my size??? I'll see what I can do.

Now you are gettin it..
 
J

[2fast4u2c]

I'm 200lbs, wet and naked (not a pretty picture)    doing 220mph on 330hp using a 19/37 gear.  Weight hurts at the launch and when you try to stop.  But once your rolling its all style, aero and ride posture...hang on!  Yeah, these lightweight whipper snappers talk a good game but have them carry a bag of cement with them under their gut and have them try and go fast.  Now were talking.  

Guy

[The Undertaker]

Isn't it more a matter of proper setup for the suspension and the ability of the rider or is it really added weight? (and of course a good rider)

Let's face it, many have built turbo bikes that have more HP than can be utilitzed in a mile. Is it really all about weight? I would imagine that a good rider with less HP can put down as much or more speed in a mile than insane HP and added weight.

Inquiring minds wanna know
UT
 

[VincentHill]

Since Aerodynamics Require the "Larger" end to be forward, All us big guys need to learn is how to ride "Backwards" Then we could beat the Little Guys    Just Look at A Busa, The reasons its areo's are better than the ZX12 is because it is fatter and wider and squatier in the front than the 12. It reminds me more of the Bulbous Harley Road Racers of the Late 60's and early 70's and later the Buell "Battle Twin".  SO in the end,"it is not  the size or weight, but the Shape"  

[JorNic Motorsports]

but I have plenty of size and shape!?!

[2fast4u2c]

SO in the end,"it is not  the size or weight, but the Shape"  

Vincent, do you have a handle on that Green Machine yet?  Scott is talking about putting the alky & N2O back on to Pollacks Busa.  Me thinks he wants some free money.  I'm going to come back for the April 2-3 event with some new tricks up my sleeve.  I smell a 230 pass...then again I have gas today.

And my shape is closing in on your shape.  Since were both shaped fast, I'm honored.

Guy

[VincentHill]

SO in the end,"it is not  the size or weight, but the Shape"  

Vincent, do you have a handle on that Green Machine yet?  Scott is talking about putting the alky & N2O back on to Pollacks Busa.  Me thinks he wants some free money.  I'm going to come back for the April 2-3 event with some new tricks up my sleeve.  I smell a 230 pass...then again I have gas today.

And my shape is closing in on your shape.  Since were both shaped fast, I'm honored.

Guy

Scott is scary!  AT least you are more Compact than me (Need less room to flatten out!) That Tank you have is now almost a Necessity! :D

I have not stopped working on my bike (Not a lot of work, just experiments) since October. I just got some parts Randall brought me today (A return line restrictor and Muzzy Fuel Pump). I am hoping to have "Things" ready to test at the end of next week. I am not going back until I have everything right and can run the "Number" I know it can make.

The poor Economics in Toledo are not helping matters! Go By 53 So. Centennial Road and you will see a beautiful House that I cannot get sold for $160,000 and in DC I would have to fight them off at $750,000. (It needs about $15,000 in AC, Windows and Kitchen to be "Modern") Do you know anyone looking for a 2,500 Sq FT House 2.5 car Garage on 1 Acre?

[jasontmc]

guy, i may show up to maxton and possibly bring a little orange 1000 with me! only gone 216 so far on it. i have to get there and buy you dinner!!! thanks again guy!!

[Hank]

I will go a long way for a free meal ya know.

[Commuta_Busa]

so looking at the numbers are you guys running maxton in 5th gear through the lights? Is that because 6th just doesn't have enough pull? I had always thought to gear about 10+mph over what I can run in 6th gear so as to not come down the back side of the hp curve at the lights.

[TRNorBRN6001]

I think at 200mph there may be a little bit more than 10mph of wheel slippage. As speed goes up there will be more slippage from HP at start of mile and then wind pressure/resistance at end of mile. Also, depends on aerodynamics and gearing. Most of us I believe run in 6th gear through the traps. What do I know though, just a layperson's answer.

[VincentHill]

I think at 200mph there may be a little bit more than 10mph of wheel slippage. As speed goes up there will be more slippage from HP at start of mile and then wind pressure/resistance at end of mile. Also, depends on aerodynamics and gearing. Most of us I believe run in 6th gear through the traps. What do I know though, just a layperson's answer.

Randall geared 19 / 44 (with about a 23.5 inch tire) is about 219 MPH at 11,000 and he was on the rev limiter at 199.2 at Maxton. Because the Controller was not working correctly, we KNOW he was spining it seriously which is about 20 MPH of WHeel Spin. We are also going to a sticker tire to "Try" to remove about 50% of this Spin with him. I only seem to get about 4 or 5 MPH of Spin I was geared 19 / 47 (About 204 and ran 198 + Mph)  I wonder what the Differences is Could it be my extra 100 Pounds of "Traction" I carry with me over what Randall has

[JorNic Motorsports]

Professor said traction.
now I can tell my wife what it actually is: traction.

[TRNorBRN6001]

How much do you pay that hired gun (Randall) of yours!!!