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GENERAL => BIKE TALK => Topic started by: from9rto1k on July 18, 2007, 12:04:21 PM
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alot u of u seen what i went through a few months back with the zx14 i bought..well i went through dumped a shit load of money into it to get it back to where it should be and realized i did not like the bike at all...parts were to expensive,and just wasnt enough u could get for it being its so new...so i sell it and decide i need another busa....now i sell bike the way it is suppose to be..all together,mint clean as hell ready to go....
so i go on the board and buy a turbo busa...i cant lie after i sold my ultra to buzard the whole way home i wanted to cry like a little girl who go pushed on the playground....it was depressing....so anyway i buy this new one off this board under the intentions its mint,the hp is what the guys says,etc etc...
well bike shows up yesterday and holy hell...looks like it came straight from the mud pit....dity as can be,rubber caked all over undertail and swingarm from someone doin burnouts,oil leak i cant find,rash on stickers where someone tied it down before,air shifter not workin,chain is shot,forks are twisted inside tripples so bars are cocked while riding,and the list goes on...but the biggest damn thing killin me is this is a supposed 250 hp on pump gas bike...i ran it against a i mean bone stock busa and could just barley pull him..i coulda pulled him better with a piped busa...so here i am once again with a bike im completely unhappy with and feel i was lied to about the shape,condition and running condition of the bike....
why do people when they sell there stuff do this?seriously be honest so when the peron buyin ur shit is sitting there waiting impatiently for it to show up when its gets there the smile on there face doesnt disappear...
im not droppin names and ill eat this damn deal like i did last...ill send the bike this winter and have it built the right way,re powdercoat,everything,get all new plastic,and have motor built....just sucks cause my riding season is now over cause i dont even wanna be out on this thing...
and i know of one other person on here who has been screwed on a bike real recent too....if ur bike has issues and u dont wanna deal with them be honest and make the price fair to compensate the next person to deal with the shit
i guess my big gripe is we are a pretty tight site here..why screw ur fellow members that would do anything they could to help u out in a situation
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Sorry to hear Greg..You just have some bad luck with deals...I told ya to keep the black bike!!!
And turbo bikes always seem to have problems in general....the only thing You could do now is rip it apart and fix whats wrong...
Good luck with it Bro!!
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guess my big gripe is we are a pretty tight site here..why screw ur fellow members that would do anything they could to help u out in a situation
+1
I know a few of you have help me get my busa back on the road after my deer incident. Thanks again to you all.
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No way to do business regardless of if the person is from the boards or not...
Sell it as advertised! Why is that so hard?
If it makes 250hp, there'd better be a dyno sheet! If the motor was just freshened, who did the work, and where are the receipts?
Can't be too careful nowdays. Lots of shit floating around, and it's unfortunate that we sometimes catch it.
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eddie thnx man...like i said i guess ill have to eat it and build it and have it done right....
just sux to have to put another 2-3 k into a bike to get it to the point where i was told it would be when bought..i just did that with that zx14..now this....
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I can understand not putting someone out there but if the deal is as bad as it sounds!! Man i want to know who it is just in case in the future they might be selling another bike or parts this is the type of person i don't want to deal with :evil:. I bought my 03 Pumpkin from a guy on this board and it was Mint just as i was told but it only takes a few bad apples for you not to trust anyone. Sorry to hear you got a bad deal again my advice would be to go look at what your getting if its to far wait till one comes around local to you!!
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i havent even gotten the title for bike yet so to be honest im not throwin nothing out there unless the deal gets worse...i have given this person the opportunity to make it right or atleast help with the fact the bike needs to go to dyno and find out why it has no power and the cost its gonna cost to get it to where it should be....but i have emailed him 2 times and have heard nothing back...we will see
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If he doesn't do right by you, you owe it to the board to report it and who it is.
My .02
Lowrider99
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yea if he doesnt do right by u.. let all know so we dont buy anything from him... sorry to hear.zay
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guys i completely understand...but like i said ill let him make right first
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How long has it been . Mint is just like the word implies ....Mint . Not wrecked . I'd be looking for my money back right away . There are other turbo bikes for sale that the owners but love into I'm sure . Thats why you always do the deal face to face so you see what your getting .
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for the life of me I can not understand this buying stuff sight unseen over the internet .. Sure get in touch with sellers that way but personally , I want to see a bike in person before my money comes out. You know the guy had to be a scumbag to sell off a bike in that condition and call it mint .
Lotsa shysters go to the net to get rid of their junk .
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i'll post up, i guess i just don't know enough about these bikes,
one of the guys from the board posted the bike up for sale for a buddy in cleveland, i cant remember who posted it originally, they are both in cleveland. dennis did the turbo and tuned the bike. i bought the bike for $11,500. i talked to dennis and the guy that posted it and they both gave it a clean bill of health, had less than 2k miles on it.
dennis told me that if i was running pump gas, i needed to bring the bike to him before bringin it home so he could detune the bike. i hung out for a couple hours, he had other stuff goin on, i saw a pull with 220-230 hp, while he was finishing the bike, i helped pick up another customers bike with the trailer i bought up there as well.
when i got back later, dennis said the bike made 251rwhp.
got the bike home, took it down to have the oil changed by buddy at a local shop and put a new shinko on the back of the bike. cut the plastic around the turbo pipe.
rode the bike 3 or 4 times, took it down to dave page to have an air shifter put on it, he commented on how great the drivability was and how great the bike ran.
took the bike to a cruise in, they had a 200hp only dyno, i figured i'd max it out, they said it was around 157 hp, i said they were stupid, the bike must have been spinning the tire, or they were doing somthing wrong.
the bike ran great, felt strong to me, i don't have anything to compare it to as i've never been on a turbo bike. the bike doesn't sputter, spit, i took it out for a 300 mile run one day and it was flawless,
dennis said it made 251, dave said the bike ran great.
as far as the bike being dirty, the last time i rode it, i got caught in a huge rain. i had full intentions of doing a full wash wax on the bike, i got a check on saturday for the bike, greg said he was going to have the bike picked up, i assumed i would have more than 15 mintues to get the bike cleaned up, as far as oil, there isn't a drop of oil in my garage and the bike has been parked there for a few months in the same spot. i haven't had the plastic off since it was first off when i bought the bike,
twisted inside triples, i have no idea what that means,
as far as the one smallest sticker on the bike that is scratched, i was told it was coming in the mail to me and i said i would forward it with the pegs, i also said if the previous owner didn't forward the pegs and sticker to me in a timely fashion that i would pay for them.
we agreed on a price of 10,750, you then called and said you talked to the same guy in cleveland that i talked to and he told you the bike had painted parts on it. and that was a problem for you. i told you then, i never really noticed, i just thought the 04 se looked great with the 06 body kit. you said it would cost $500 to have the parts powder coated. i said i really don't want to discount because i have other buyers and i'm already taking a hit on a bike i rode 7 times. but, i said you sent me a $200 deposit, just send me 10k more and i'll eat $550 to that you can have the stuff powder coated. so i've already paid for that. you knew they were painted (i could care less they were painted as i thought the bike looked great and got nothing but compliments), but you seemed to have a problem with it, so i sucked it up to get rid of the payment because of the car i have on order.
as far as the air shifter, i really don't have a clue, i only used the thing 3 times and it worked fine, i've only rode the bike like 7 times since i got it.
i bought it the way it sat and thought it looked great, everyone that saw it did nothing but compliment me on it. i took a hit on a bike i bought from here, that i loved, on recommendations form dennis, and the other guy in cleveland. i rode it 7 or 8 times, only because i needed to get rid of the payment. i'm far from mechanical, i pay people to do just about everything. i paid dennis to tune it, i paid dave ot do the air shifter, and a shop to do a new tire and oil change.
bike has performed flawlessly from the minute i got it. i guess i just don't know how fast a turbo is supposed to be, i never raced the bike.
if the power is not there, then i was lied to by dennis
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heres the pics that were posted when i bought the bike
(http://www.beef-cake.net/busa1.jpg)
(http://www.beef-cake.net/busa2.jpg)
(http://www.beef-cake.net/busa3.jpg)
(http://www.beef-cake.net/busa4.jpg)
(http://www.beef-cake.net/busa5.jpg)
(http://www.beef-cake.net/busa6.jpg)
and then i took posted the pics i took in front of the dealership
(http://www.new-used-ford-cars-trucks-for-sale-bankruptcy-special-financing.com/turbobusaa.jpg)
(http://www.new-used-ford-cars-trucks-for-sale-bankruptcy-special-financing.com/turbobusab.jpg)
(http://www.new-used-ford-cars-trucks-for-sale-bankruptcy-special-financing.com/turbobusac.jpg)
(http://www.new-used-ford-cars-trucks-for-sale-bankruptcy-special-financing.com/turbobusad.jpg)
i thought / think it's a great looking bike, again, if i had more than 15 minutes, i would have had the bike lookin as good as my pics
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:roll: bike looks okay to me?
Maybe the thing is pushing out a gasket or something? Maybe the boots are blowing off the tb's under boost? Maybe a line came somewhere?
240-250hp should be pretty standard for a stage 1 without any crazy mods.
Don't know about twisted triples or anything of that sort.
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u said right in what u just posted a dyno told u 157...u never ever told me that....and to be honest thats about what it feels like...i barely pulled a stocker and the guy was 260 lbs to my 210.....
see now more stuff is coming out man this is bullshit now....u guys all see the pics he posted..someone please post the pics i took tonight of the bike and tell me its the same as those pics...
someone chime in and ill send pics to u
took the bike to a cruise in, they had a 200hp only dyno, i figured i'd max it out, they said it was around 157 hp, i said they were stupid, the bike must have been spinning the tire, or they were doing somthing wrong.
THIS IS UR POST>>>WHY WOULDNT U BRING IT AND HAVE IT CHECKED BEFORE U SOLD IT?OR DID U REALLY FEEL IT WAS LOW AND OFF IT!!!!!!
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ok guys these pics kinda blury but ull get the idea...if this looks to be the same mint clean bike then let me know
(http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i126/iculkn56/0718072151.jpg)
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ok notice melted air shifter line,air temp and map sens just hanging out,plug in plenum where air temp goes,bolts missing out of where belly wing goes on,random plugs unplugged and no clue where they go,motor is filthy and covered with that white stuff looks like from salt on roads and its all over brake lines as u can see which everywhere it is is pitting the parts,2500 miles suppose to be on this...turbo looks like its 10 yrs old..inside turbo is filthy, riding lawn mower air cleaner,crushed in up pipe in 2 spots...ill get better pics of motor but i can tell u i had a 1000 with 36k on it and it wasnt near this dirty....u can see by pics bike is far from mint..ill take pics of plastic tomorrow also and of under tail and swingarm covered with rubber that wont come off
PLEASE TELL ME IM LYING
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since u now publically announced u had a idea it was down on power by a dyno tellin u..i have copy and pasted all this and saved it to a file showing u advertised as 251 hp and u knew there was a chance of it being low....now public sees this i hope u will make this right now
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also if u payed a shop to do oil change what kinda cycle shop uses fram oil filters?
u know i tried keepin u out of this and just wanted u to make it right...i emailed and u wouldnt respond...u had no prob callin me when the check was being done...i would have never said a word of who or what bike it was if u tried to make this right but instead u come on here and tell people theres a chance its only 157 hp..thats about how it feels too...come on man do the right thing
since u publically announced u knew something was up...gimme a full refund on the check..keep the 200 and take the bike back....
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cancel the check, send the bike back...and stop buying bikes site unseen, dude!!
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how are you supposed to clean the inside of a turbo....mines kinda dirty because i RIDE it :lol:..and a little soap and water will clean the bike back up....not knocking your thread , but some things are alittle ANAL....and its gonna be kinda hard to please you....just just like Bonedust said .....stop buying site unseen....and i don't believe anyone who rides there bike daily or races it will have a perfect , nonblemished zero issue machine......and who rides a turbo with the wing?
but i hope the issues you have with the bike are resolved.....
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u said right in what u just posted a dyno told u 157...u never ever told me that....and to be honest thats about what it feels like...i barely pulled a stocker and the guy was 260 lbs to my 210.....
took the bike to a cruise in, they had a 200hp only dyno, i figured i'd max it out, they said it was around 157 hp, i said they were stupid, the bike must have been spinning the tire, or they were doing somthing wrong.
THIS IS UR POST>>>WHY WOULDNT U BRING IT AND HAVE IT CHECKED BEFORE U SOLD IT?OR DID U REALLY FEEL IT WAS LOW AND OFF IT!!!!!!
because the bike didn't have any problems, and dennis had just dyno tuned it a couple hundred miles earlier, i'm gonna take dennis's word over some chopper bike shop that didn't have a clue what a turbo was and didn't even know how to strap the bike down
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since u now publically announced u had a idea it was down on power by a dyno tellin u..i have copy and pasted all this and saved it to a file showing u advertised as 251 hp and u knew there was a chance of it being low....now public sees this i hope u will make this right now
i emailed you last night when i got home from work?
it's the same bike i bought off here 3 months ago everyone was foaming over even me, and i thought it was a great bike, i didn't think the bike was down on power, it pulled everyone i rode against, i had it dyno tuned by the owner of this fkn site, and he is supposed to be the best i'm told, i didn't come on here bithching when i bought it 3 or 4 months ago because i thought it was a nice bike
and as far as getting caught in the rain, the frikin dirt wipe off for crying out loud,
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how are you supposed to clean the inside of a turbo....mines kinda dirty because i RIDE it :lol:..and a little soap and water will clean the bike back up....not knocking your thread , but some things are alittle ANAL....and its gonna be kinda hard to please you....just just like Bonedust said .....stop buying site unseen....and i don't believe anyone who rides there bike daily or races it will have a perfect , nonblemished zero issue machine......and who rides a turbo with the wing?
but i hope the issues you have with the bike are resolved.....
thats what i'm saying, i never said it was a show bike, i said it was bought off here, the guy raced it, had to selll the bike, i said where it came from, he talked to the same guy i did about the bike, he knew where it came from before me 3 months ago or whatever it was
i never got a chance to race it, so i wasn't using the air shifter i just spent 500 bucks on, the plastic line is like 30 cents, i'll send more line i have left over with the sticker
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ok heres the bottom line man,,i showed u pics..shits melted,dirt everywhere nothing like pics u posted...oil all over stuff..
bottm line u said a dyno pulled 157 out of it...yes man dynos lie but not 100 hp...so either make right on this part or got he next step...u publically showed u saw 157 hp after u owned bike and sold it as a perfect 251 hp.....
as for emails i have gotten none
as for makin me happy with stuff..i bought the ultra bike off louie(hayabusa200) and it was exactly how abike should be....i rode that bike for sme good miles and raced it and the inside of my turbo was spotless...theres a aircleaner right there to keep it clean so how is dirt gettin in there mixed with oil?????
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oh and terry like i said i wasnt throwin u in anywhere figuring u would do the right thing...u came on and threw urself in...yeah i may be anal about what im buyin but shit over 10k anyone would be anal...u seemed cool and it didnt need to go here...
u never told me the truth from the begginin of the spray painted almost everypart except frame...then after bike leaves u tell me about the stickers,u never told me it was filthy,or bolts were missing,or shifter line was melted,u waited till bikeleft u to tell me about the stickers being rubbed and wrecked...all this should have been brought up from the instant i called u..not bike is mint and gets compliments everywhere....dude the levers are 2 diff colors do to sray paint coming off...
its called honesty no ur comin out with u had a idea of it low on power...a dyno showed u 157..u shoulda had it checked reguardless after seein those number before u sold it!!!!!!
and u seem to think by oh ull send me plastic line....dude the freakin bike dont run right man...it is not as advertised at 251 hp...THATS WHAT I WANT FIXED.....ILL DEAL WITH THE REST AND EAT IT LIKE I DO ON ALL THESE DAMN SHIT BOXES ON THIS SITE PEOPLE SELL......FIX THE 157 HP AND ILL SHUT UP
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ok heres the bottom line man,,i showed u pics..shits melted,dirt everywhere nothing like pics u posted...oil all over stuff..
bottm line u said a dyno pulled 157 out of it...yes man dynos lie but not 100 hp...so either make right on this part or got he next step...u publically showed u saw 157 hp after u owned bike and sold it as a perfect 251 hp.....
as for emails i have gotten none
as for makin me happy with stuff..i bought the ultra bike off louie(hayabusa200) and it was exactly how abike should be....i rode that bike for sme good miles and raced it and the inside of my turbo was spotless...theres a aircleaner right there to keep it clean so how is dirt gettin in there mixed with oil?????
have it tuned and itll make horsepower
please quit bitchin and try and see it from both sides
by the way im not fightin with anyone so please dont be getting shitty
but you really fuckin anal
i wouldnt sell a 500 hp bike to you
if i had one that is
ive got to say
why dont you dyno it and see what it makes
instead of sayin what you think it makes
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i publicly posted about that dyno trying to screw me outta the prize money when it happened, i didn't try to hide nothing
if i got dennis, who is one of the most respected people on this board, dynoing it and telling me it makes 251 on a dyno rated for i'm assuming way more hp than that, and then i go to a chopper bike shop with a 200 hp dyno that has only had it for 2 days, i'm gonna trust dennis.
i can't help a frickin melted air shifter line, for gods sake, i never raced the bike, i put the air shifter on and the tether kill with intentions of going to the track, i used the air shifter like once or 2 times to make sure it worked, and never touched it after that,
for gods sake, i didn't build the bike, i bought the bike on a recommendation from someone from this board (same guy you talked to), got dennis's input on the bike, and had dennis tune it, i am far from mechanically inclined, i made sure everything was fresh on the bike when i first bought it, oil and coolant, cuz i knew the guy raced the bike, i had dennis tune it, he said the bike made 251, i had my buddy who runs the local honda store put a tire on it, he is a professional drag racer (cars), and he commented on how sweet the bike was, i had Dave Page, who is a huge turbo hayabusa racer around here and runs a motorcycle shop, put the air shifter on, and he commented how perfect the drivability of the bike was and how sweet it was
i've never ridden a turbo bike, to me the bike feels strong as hell, it isn't like the bike runs like crap, that would be different, the bike runs perfectly, i rode the bike on a 300 mile ride for 7 hours one day, (thats the majority of the miles i put on the bike) and the bike performed flawlessly, and the other 30 bikes couldn't keep up with it for nothing,
as far as the painted stuff, you said you talked to the previous owner about the bike
----- Original Message -----
From: Iculkn56@aol.com
To: beefcake@beef-cake.net
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 11:27 PM
Subject: Re: busa
hey i just found out some stuff on the bike that i dont like,,,the guy who owned said he spray canned the wheels,swingarm and a few other pieces..now i gotta spend mony to have them taken off and powder coated then new bearings....can we work on price seein all this will cost me atleast another 500 if not more...i wish i knew that and u had told me up front before we agreed on price..thats a huge thing for me seeing im gonna turn it into my show/riding bike...
to which i replied
to be honest, i didn't know or i would have told u,
i guess i'll take it down to 10,250, that'll give you the other $500.
i hate to take that big of a loss on the bike that quick because it's nice. but my car will be here next month and i need to move it
to which you said
----- Original Message -----
From: Iculkn56@aol.com
To: beefcake@beef-cake.net
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 10:30 AM
Subject: Re: busa
well i got the checks for my bike today goin to pay them off...just tryin to see what u wanna do...let me kow asap...if we cant work something i take deposit back and ill buy this nitrous busa i was lookin
i'd already emailed you what i would do once, so maybe some of your emails don't get through like the one from last night
and i replied
we agreed on 10,750,
$500 more would be 10,250
you sent me 200
i'll just make it another 10 even
that'd be 10,200 total
terry
to which you replied
----- Original Message -----
From: Iculkn56@aol.com
To: beefcake@beef-cake.net
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 12:08 PM
Subject: Re: busa
ok thats fair,,atleast i can have the stuff powder coated....did u know that stuff was painted?
im gonna need ur name and vin number off bike so i can go get the loan
you asked again about the painted parts, i never had an 04 se, so i don't know how they came, i assumed thats the color of the bike when i bought it
so i don't know why you keep mentioning these painted parts, i think the all black looks good and you knew it before you sent me the money
i told you i got caught in the rain on the bike, it happens for crying out loud, dirt wipes off,
i had to work til 8:30, i'm told a guy is gonna be at my house at 7:30 to pick the bike up, he was late and got there at 9:00pm, i got the bike out at 8:45 when i got home and started cleaning the bike off, i would have had it sparkling again if i'd had time to do it,
again, i'm not a tech, i didn't build the bike, i rode if a few hundred miles, and i thought it was a nice bike, 100% perfect driviability
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ok im gonna say this one more time......i want 251 hp not 157....the bike came from u withu sayin it was 251 hp...thats false advertisement and i copied all the add...i didnt get a lawyer on my last screwin....i will not take a screwing again...
if u agree to pay to have the bike fixed and back to the 251 hp i was promised then cool...im tellin u right now 100 percent the bike has no power...turbo does not even spool...ive checked everything i know of to look for and its none of them....when i ran the other night for the only time ive been on bike i had a velocity bike with me at 4psi which was 190 hp and a stock one with just tre....velocity bike at 4 psi pulled me and was gone..stock bike i could barley pull but he out weighs me by 40 plus....so do the math
i want the 251 hp...will u deliver on 251 hp?
oh and pinky i dont need a dyno to see its off...a bone stock busa stayin with me?come on...i pulled him like 2 bikes then that was it he stayed the rest of the way...what do i need a dyno for? real street riding world is good enough for me
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i got 2 different dyno's, the dyno designed for the turbo bikes said 251 hp, i'll call dennis now and get the dyno sheet, the other dyno can't even make that power, it's designed for choppers
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ok guys..rode it last night....seems fine just ridingn normal but if u roll and snap clutch to do a roller or anytime of snappin clutch is completely bogs down and shuts off..starts right back up and is fine...does pop flames on decel
see again, your talking stuff i don't even know, a roll and snap? i've never even had the bike over 9k as it was scary fast, and the bike has never stalled once on me
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terry dont take post out of another post...thats about a 99 busa my friends is tryin to figure out..read the title
listen its real easy...pay to have it making 251 and case closed
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terry dont take post out of another post...thats about a 99 busa my friends is tryin to figure out..read the title
listen its real easy...pay to have it making 251 and case closed
i thought you were saying the bike i sold you was shooting flames and knocking, which it had never done,
take it back to dennis, have him put it on the dyno again, he tuned the thing.
is it possible that the race accelerator i'm running is pulling timing or something? again, i'm not mechanical, i don't know about this stuff, i had the bike tuned by dennis rode it less than a 1000 miles and sold it the way it was tuned, the bike rides great, i guess if you feel you need to sue me then i'll get the dyno sheet from dennis, and i'll get dave on board too. the bike runs great, i've seen the gauge, it says 8psi,
now, i've never owned a turbo, but when i rode the bike, i heard a whistling sound, and then the blow off when letting off and see 7-8 psi of boost, how can the turbo not be working if all that is happening?
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no terry a bike a buddy is workin on is blowing flames...its a diff post nothing to do with this one....as for guage readin.....the guage now goes ino to vacum under a rev but on road when im ridin it goes to like 1-2 lbs and flutters...
so how its happening here and not for u is beyond me....i just want what i paid for...
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and i guess the biggest thing really is, find out whats going on with it, find out if it's my fuel i'm running, or something else
BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW, I'M NOT A MECHANIC, I BOUGHT THE BIKE, HAD IT TUNED, RODE IT FOR A FEW MILES HOW IT WAS TUNED AND IT RODE GREAT find out whats going on and let me know
as far as only 1-2 psi, it never saw under 7-8 psi when i looked at the gauge, never
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has the title and screws been mailed yet?
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has the title and screws been mailed yet?
i'm going to try to get the bank to release the title today, because it wasn't a cashiers check they put a 5 business day hold on the check which is monday, but she said to call today, and she will try to release it for me, but you already knew this because i told you yesterday
also, from the other thread, this is the stuff i'm running, i don't know if it affects anything or not
(https://secure.dosecure.com/torco/images/products/136_large.jpg)
The Unleaded concentrate when blended with a 93-octane super unleaded makes up to a 107-octane race fuel for many of today's race cars, streetcars, motorcycles, watercraft, ATV's, and many other motor sport applications!
Great for two and four cycle engines.
Accelerator works as well as any performance unleaded fuel within the limits of compression and RPM's per application.
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i don't know if too much octane could be pulling timing or something since it's tune for pump gas.
also, your bank told my bank the title had to go directly to them at
SEFCU
PO Box 12189
Albany, NY 12212
because of the lien
edit: i work all day today, i am off tomorrow
tomorrow i will be ups 2 daying all the bolts, i also have the rear seat, and the grab bar as well for the bike and i will put that in the box as well
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terry i want what i paid for..if ur mustang came and it was 225 hp andnot 500 u would want something done right?
i paid for 251 and didnt get it...so lets make this easy..ill send bike back and u can have then send me check back since it hasnt cleared yet....ill pay to ship bike back u keep the 200 deposit and sell it to one of the numerous people u said were interesed....
no they didnt..title has to go to me cause it cant be stamped till i register the bike...they cant stamped the title with ur name on it..mine has to be on title and registered to me before they can stamp it
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Dennis' name was mentioned 19 times in this thread.
Carry on! :D
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im not askin for alot here..all i want is the 251 hp i paid for..the rest wrng with bike ill eat and fix.....either he can pay the shop to find out whats wrong and get it back to 251 hp or he can have bike back and keep the 200 and ill eat the 700 in shipping costs...
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Dennis' name was mentioned 19 times in this thread.
Carry on! :D
Is that including your mention of it? :lol:
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i have a busa for sale just so you guys know :lol:
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Maybe a hose is just loose on the plenum?I am sure it's no biggie......if the boost gauge reads only 2 pounds it sounds something is loose...happens often on a stage 1 kit.....and almost everytime when you hit the rev limiter.A real easy fix.
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robert i actually was interested but bein its a 2000 i financed this bike and they wont loan out much on a 2000...thats why i looked for something newer..i got all my money tied up right now so everything i do needs financing..great lookin bike though...
thats th reason i picked this one..terry was a very cool guy to talk to and seemed straight up...if he doesnt knw about the issue then cool i just want him to help financially to get it to where i bought it...thats it..i never came on here sayin anything bad just wondered why people do this stuff..
so now like i said..i just called terry and tryin to resolve this and he is busy...i just want what i paid for..if i sold someone something it wasnt then i would 100 percent back my stuff up and have it right
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ive checked hose,vacumlines,everything...
the fi light is on and i really want that gone....what can i do with air temp sensor and stock map sensor that are just layin there with not in anything but plugged into main computer?
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Dennis' name was mentioned 19 times in this thread.
Carry on! :D
Is that including your mention of it? :lol:
Good point...
The count is now 20! :lol:
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i'm on hold trying to get the title released right now,
like i said, find out whats wrong with it and let me know,
it's not i'm too busy to talk, i was on a tech support phone call before, and now i'm on hold with the bank trying to get the title released,
i just hung up with the bank, they are going to release the funds and i am going to pick the title up in the morning, i'm off tomorrow, so first thing i will head over there and pick up the title, get the lien released and put everything in a ups box 2 day air and i'll get it out tomorrow
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greg i was refering to having a sniffer check it and the map too
is that the map sensor or the air pressure sensor?
the temp sensor doesnt need put in the plenum
read the install instructions if you need to
check the play of the turbo wheel
if it rubs the side of the turbo the bearings are bad
if not then see what the mapop looks like
if need be send me the map and ill look at it
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ive checked hose,vacumlines,everything...
the fi light is on and i really want that gone....what can i do with air temp sensor and stock map sensor that are just layin there with not in anything but plugged into main computer?
(http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i126/iculkn56/0718072156.jpg)
air temp sensor goes here above where the fuel pressure gauge is. but if it is mapped like that it will afect it when plug back in the plenum.
The old MCXPRESS kits just had you put it in a location and not in the air box and i made over 500 like that. But it is nice in the airbox.
the other plug need to be vented to the atomosphere as it is in the pic. be nicer if it was bolted to something so nothing gets in its way.
(http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i126/iculkn56/0718072202a.jpg)
That is to your flapper valve controle nothing plugs into it once you do a small air box mod or put a turbo on
(http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i126/iculkn56/0718072159.jpg)
Hope that helps you alittle
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quick question you are riding the bike with a load on it and it only reads 2 lbs or are you reving it in neutral?
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thnk u sir
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no i know u need a load on it. it was riding when i saw it
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called back, just so everyone knows
like i told greg, let me know whats going on and i'll help out with it, can't be nothing major, just like greg said on the phone, the drivability of the bike is perfect, its a 2400 mile bike that dennis put together with turbo pistons and tuned,
as far as this sensor hanging or this and that, i dont know, i bought the bike to ride, never owned a turbo bike, i assumed everything is were it's supposed to be,
wheres the guy in cleveland that knows this bike, that originally listed it, maybe he can chime in?
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no i know u need a load on it. it was riding when i saw it
k just checken :thumb:
(http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i126/iculkn56/0718072202.jpg)
you shouldnt have to put those clamps on unless someone lost the right ones or they stripped out. But i would double check them.
last thing that filter looks like paper ? if it is it might be bad since it is low to the street it could get wet. i would pull off the filter andride it down the street and see if th efilter is choking it if so i think i have a filter that will work for ya. :thumb:
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i did put a different filter on than the bike was tuned with, the other filter was bigger but the clamp wouldn't hold good and i didn't want to cut that much of the plastic, it was more like a k&n type filter, but i didn't want it falling off on the street
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i dont know...i kinda see 9r's side of it...that bike is absolutely filthy and when you pay that kind of money for a turbo bike it should at least be clean...but the spray painted stuff?? that should have been disclosed...its not hard to notice that an expensive, extended swingarm is rattle canned..now the whole dyno situation, no one will ever know until someone throws it on there.....9r...if there is a local dynoe, take it to it and run it...until then you shouldnt be complaining...im sure if you explain the situation, the dyno operater will cut you a break..hell the local guy here charges 25 bucks to do an A/F analysis which involves hooking the bike up and making a WOT run....you should do this...otherwise I think that the other stuff can be worked out...10250 isnt a bad deal BUT the oily turbo would be my biggest concern..
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I've dealt with and talked to Beefcake on several occasions and I can vouch that he knows nothig about bikes.. lol (no offense terry)
Matter of fact he pm'ed me about getting the airlock fittings for that very airshifter just a while back. If you don't think the bike is right take it to someone that can make it right.. I'd guess you have a boost leak somewhere. It's obvious that you'd rather spend time whining like a baby about this bike then getting out there and fixing it. I for one don't feel sorry for you at all. He adjusted the price due to the bad paintwork and honestly I considered that bike both before he bought it and then again when he put it back up for sale. If I remember right Beef has owned three busa's and has sold them all at one point or another to fuel his desire in owning fast Fords. It's not like he bought this thing complainded of nothing but problems with it and then sold it.
I agree with him about the dyno thing too... if you've ever seen a turbo bike dynoed you know they strap the shit out of it to keep the tire from spinning. They don't do that on cheesy v-twins. as for the fi light add another check valve in line that should keep the fi light off.. and one more thing.. if your only seeing one or two pounds of boost I don't think it would even throw the fi light.. :wink:
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The FI Light being on means something, take a paper clip and put it in the dealer connector and see what code pops up.
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i dont know...i kinda see 9r's side of it...that bike is absolutely filthy and when you pay that kind of money for a turbo bike it should at least be clean...but the spray painted stuff?? that should have been disclosed...its not hard to notice that an expensive, extended swingarm is rattle canned..now the whole dyno situation, no one will ever know until someone throws it on there.....9r...if there is a local dynoe, take it to it and run it...until then you shouldnt be complaining...im sure if you explain the situation, the dyno operater will cut you a break..hell the local guy here charges 25 bucks to do an A/F analysis which involves hooking the bike up and making a WOT run....you should do this...otherwise I think that the other stuff can be worked out...10250 isnt a bad deal BUT the oily turbo would be my biggest concern..
the bike was dirty, i'm not saying it wasn't, i started cleaning it the minute i walked in the door from work, and 5 minutes later, the guy showed up to pick it up. i already had all my meguiars stuff out starting on it.
the bike was discounted for the "painted" stuff, that i didn't paint, thats how i got the bike off these boards a few months ago, and how i assumed the bike was supposed to come. it was an 04 se with 06 bodywork, never thought anything about it, i saw the original pictures and thought the color combo was bad a$$, i still think the bike looks wicked, it was a black bike, with a black swingarm, to me that matches, as i've said several times, let me know whats going on,
i talked to greg, he thinks one of the pipes may have gotten a hole rubbed in it, but he's not sure
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I've dealt with and talked to Beefcake on several occasions and I can vouch that he knows nothig about bikes.. lol (no offense terry)
Matter of fact he pm'ed me about getting the airlock fittings for that very airshifter just a while back. If you don't think the bike is right take it to someone that can make it right.. I'd guess you have a boost leak somewhere. It's obvious that you'd rather spend time whining like a baby about this bike then getting out there and fixing it. I for one don't feel sorry for you at all. He adjusted the price due to the bad paintwork and honestly I considered that bike both before he bought it and then again when he put it back up for sale. If I remember right Beef has owned three busa's and has sold them all at one point or another to fuel his desire in owning fast Fords. It's not like he bought this thing complainded of nothing but problems with it and then sold it.
I agree with him about the dyno thing too... if you've ever seen a turbo bike dynoed you know they strap the shit out of it to keep the tire from spinning. They don't do that on cheesy v-twins. as for the fi light add another check valve in line that should keep the fi light off.. and one more thing.. if your only seeing one or two pounds of boost I don't think it would even throw the fi light.. :wink:
thanks, i think, lol, j/k
i do have a conscience and i will do my best to try to help out, but it is just as jody says, bought the bike, rode it a few times, the owner agreed to give me a shelby gt 500 08' at 42k, they are selling for 54-63k, and i couldn't pass the deal up, thats why i sold the car i listed here too, and why i sold the bike, absolutely not tryin to "get over" on anyone,
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yea I was razzing you terry. My point was your a good guy and if that bike had a problem you surely wouldn't of dove into it without posting something about it on here... Good deal on the gt500 by the way... :thumb:
Does this bike have an up-pipe that snakes around behind the frame??? or does it go though the ram air tube??
I had the one that snaked through the frame and I had a heck of a time trying to find a boost leak...finally I discovered I had a crack in the backside of the up-pipe and the bike would build almost no boost...
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just a thought ....when i bought my bike it was low on power and turned out to be a bad injector....and my bike come from Ohio...and its now in Tx...
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snakes behind frame....and im not whining about shit i just want what i paid for..no big deal.
me and terry talked and will get this straightened out..i had emailed and never heard from him and thought he was avoiding the situation but he wasnt..thats why i never threw his name out there....so for all u who think im whining about spending over 10k on a turbo bike to get 157 hp can go f#ck urselfs
i do nothin but try to help on here..people need stuff and i have given stuff to people on here for nothing..im always tryin to help..just didnt think i was gonna get bike #2 in 3 months and have it be shit
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oh busa for hire read the other post and realize the other post has nothing to do with terrys bike and he wasnt tryin to help the bike i was talkin about he was tryin to justify the problem if it was his bike but it wasnt...
so till u know what ur talkin about dont post in my thread....if u bought a bike and it made 100 hp less then what u bought u would let it go?bullshit!!!! u would be just as mad
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oh busa for hire read the other post and realize the other post has nothing to do with terrys bike and he wasnt tryin to help the bike i was talkin about he was tryin to justify the problem if it was his bike but it wasnt...
so till u know what ur talkin about dont post in my thread....if u bought a bike and it made 100 hp less then what u bought u would let it go?bullshit!!!! u would be just as mad
....no I'd be trying to figure out why it wasn't making the power it should.. When I had my turbo it went back to motorheads and made 65 horse less then it did initially.. we fixed it and moved on. If you owned a turbo bike before and had no issues whatsoever with it your in the minority.. and I did read the other post and I could see how Terry would of been mixed up.
Like I said in the other post he was only trying to help thinking you were still ranting about the bike you bought from him. I hope that you do get it fixed... but the way you went about dragging it on the board was a little brash. check that uppipe. and like I said I had to pull it off to see that it was cracked on the backside.
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pressure check the intake. that will find your problem right away.
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thats just it i didnt bring it on thhe board like that..i was venting about another shitty deal thats all..terry stepped up and let everyone know who it was..i wouldanever said he name..no biggie
me and terry will work it out
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thats just it i didnt bring it on thhe board like that..i was venting about another shitty deal thats all..terry stepped up and let everyone know who it was..i wouldanever said he name..no biggie
me and terry will work it out
yes your right... but you also started this thread... http://www.suzukihayabusa.org/forum/index.php?topic=118003.0 :?
Terry stepping up initially on his own should tell you ther caliber of person he is and I'm sure he intends to make sure things are all good.
I'm sure you guys will figure things out. :thumb:
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Greg is a good guy. I've known him for a while and can vouche for his character and his mechanical ability/knowledge. I see where he is coming from. All he is hearing is essentially "I am ignorant, and shouldn't have to deal with it," along with "you figure out MY problem, then tell me about it."
Personally, had I bought a bike with a claimed 251rwhp and received a bike with 157rwhp there would be an issue also. That sounds like a killer boost leak or a bhg. Either way, Greg SHOULD have been able to hop on that bike and ridden it with 100% advertised power, no if's, and's or but's.
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check the header and make sure its all tight and no gasket leaks, i have a few turbo friends who loose boost and sure enough the header is loose.
and on another note, dont buy $10k bikes site unseen. you could have spent $300 on a plane ticket and seen it first hand to see if it met your expectations. you would have been much farther ahead $$ wise
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im sorry,but id never buy anything for that large of money,without me being able to look and touch it myself....
put it on a dyno with a sniffer and be done with all the guessing...
like greg said,jump the plug,and see if you get a code,that FI light is trying to tell you something.....
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buyin the bike honestly i wasnt worried cause i knew where the bike came from..the guy who started this bike is good friends with the guy i bought my ultra bike from...i contacted him and got the low down on bike....being terry had it a short time i really didnt think anything could be screwed up on it...
as for problems it will go on dyno tomorrow morning..if its a blown head gasket im not gonna be happy....between runnin oct booster and no water inj on bike im kinda scared of the head gasket now seein it has such a huge drop in power...
we will see tomorrow
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Sounds like you have bad Karma and should buy a build your own bike from new/scratch and be done...
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ok i found the issue with no dyno time....someone was right i dont remember who...heres the out come....crack goes from one side to the other...this is not to bash either just lettin everyone know the outcome...not sure where its goin from here yet....
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bummer that sucks, shouldn't be too hard to fix hopefully. That definitely will limit boost being produced.
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bummer that sucks, shouldn't be too hard to fix hopefully. That definitely will limit boost being produced.
okay, i'm at a loss,
first off on the weak dyno the bike was on, i just talked to dave page, and he told me he had talked to those guys at the dragstrip about dynoing some of his stuff for him, and when he said he had a turbo hayabusa, that they said they won't dyno them, the dyno won't handle it, the day i was there, 5 of em gathered around discussing my bike in the corner before they even agreed to strap it down. like i said then, i believe they were trying to fug me. i also asked dave in his honest opinion, if the bike had a cracked header, would he have heard it (i've only put 100 miles maybe on the bike since it got the air shifter put on), he said he would have definately been able to hear the bike if it had a header leak on it,
i don't know bikes, i know cars, and i know what an exhaust leak sounds like. on top of that as far as boost. i am not buying the 1-2 psi of boost. i 100% positive know the bike was making 7 to 8 psi of boost. the last time i rode it before i listed it, i did a 151 mph blast on the road just to see what some of the higher speed stuff felt like, i could barely hold onto the bike, i looked at the boost gauge and it was sitting at 8psi, that was 20 miles ago on the bike, i rode it home, the car sold a couple days later and i listed it for sale, it was never showing 1 to 2 psi, no way, no how
buyin the bike honestly i wasnt worried cause i knew where the bike came from..the guy who started this bike is good friends with the guy i bought my ultra bike from...i contacted him and got the low down on bike....being terry had it a short time i really didnt think anything could be screwed up on it...
as for problems it will go on dyno tomorrow morning..if its a blown head gasket im not gonna be happy....between runnin oct booster and no water inj on bike im kinda scared of the head gasket now seein it has such a huge drop in power...
we will see tomorrow
now, the guy he says he talked to about the bike is name louis i believe, i'm not sure what he posts on under here, but he's the one that listed the bike i bought, this bike. funny thing is, he is the same guy that greg bought the ultra bike from that he whined and complained about all over the place on here. if he screwed him on the last bike so bad, why would he be calling him on this bike?
on top of that, i just spoke to john mckenna, the guy i bought the bike from, he told me that 2 days after he bought the ultra bike from louis, he called him telling him the turbo was cracked on the bike and demanded money for a new turbo.
okay......
now, my next question is this, greg just called me demanding $1700 to build a new header and tune the bike because it's gotta be pulled apart now or he's gonna sue me.
what i want to know is, whats involved in building an ultra bike? i've heard this term thrown around the last couple times. when greg bitched about the painted stuff on the bike, that i already took a $550 hit on, he said he was gonna use the $500 to have the stuff powdercoated while the bike was down, because it was going to be down anyway converting it to an ultra bike? when he first put the deposit down, he told me he was gonna buy a new busa, but when he saw the 08's they were so ugly that he decided to buy a used one to convert it into an ultra bike
john (previous owner) told me an ultra bike needs new headers, bigger turbo raked forked and all kinds of stuff, like 15k or so worth of stuff, i don't know if thats true or not, but what i would love some guys that no what this "ultra bike is" to chime in.
now, the bike definately did not have an exhaust leak, and i'm willing to bet the pictured pic of the header could have easily been pushed down by him, because there was no exhasut leak on the bike, it was super quiet until you started getting into boost, i don't know turbo's, but i know boost, and i know there was a definate whistling sound, 8 psi, followed by a big woosh when you shifted or let off the throttle,
all i know is the bike was scary fast, scary, with perfect drivability
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1700 for a header??? RCC sells them new for like 5-600 i believe....
ultra kit is like 12500$ or so....
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1700 for a header??? RCC sells them new for like 5-600 i believe....
ultra kit is like 12500$ or so....
+1 dont know how he got 1700 out of 600. or you can even go to a metal shop and they can weld it up for a few pennys. it does not look like that crack is going to make you loose 6 psi.
on a side note. you are not going to here that header leak with dump pipes.
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header probably cracked during that final ride in the rain, stainless doesn't like extreme temp changes.
i would say $5-600 + dyno time($2xx) would be fair.
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header probably cracked during that final ride in the rain, stainless doesn't like extreme temp changes.
i would say $5-600 + dyno time($2xx) would be fair.
why would you need dyno time, if the header is the same :?:
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header probably cracked during that final ride in the rain, stainless doesn't like extreme temp changes.
i would say $5-600 + dyno time($2xx) would be fair.
why would you need dyno time, if the header is the same :?:
make sure the header crack is the only problem and that the bike makes the advertised HP.
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busamagic had the same problem
it cost him 25 to fix it
it was down on power too
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header probably cracked during that final ride in the rain, stainless doesn't like extreme temp changes.
i would say $5-600 + dyno time($2xx) would be fair.
why would you need dyno time, if the header is the same :?:
make sure the header crack is the only problem and that the bike makes the advertised HP.
well i would say fix the header, take it out, and if it still does not feel right then add the dyno cost. but seems to me that the buyer is trying to get every penny he can out of this
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i would agree that $1700 is ludicrous.
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header probably cracked during that final ride in the rain, stainless doesn't like extreme temp changes.
i would say $5-600 + dyno time($2xx) would be fair.
why would you need dyno time, if the header is the same :?:
make sure the header crack is the only problem and that the bike makes the advertised HP.
well i would say fix the header, take it out, and if it still does not feel right then add the dyno cost. but seems to me that the buyer is trying to get every penny he can out of this
no it looks like he is tryin to be a fuckin thief and he really needs to step back and look at this deal
i wouldnt ever sell a turbo bike for that cheep
then he begs it down more
then cries like a bitch on this site (no offence greg but thats what it looks like)
its bullshit
fix the header at a weld shop that knows how to weld SS and it will be fine
hell RCC doesnt charge that much to fix it either
greg please quit being a prick and check the cost of a repair to the welder before you really look like the bad guy
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1700 was a quit est by a dealer for rcc to get header,take bike apart,reinstall header,retune...
650 for header,4-600 or so for labor and 400 to dyno tune...thats just the quote i got ok...
and yes a turbo ridden in rain with the stainless that hot then coldwould crack it
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oh and pinky get ur facts straight ..the header cant be re welded...all it will do is crack around the weld then..i talked to richard today and i know what im talkin about...
and yes when i bought my ultra bike the turbo backin plate broke....called dennis and dennis had me send turbo to him and he would have it fixed..they knew it was a problem on the t61..backin plates were made to thin....well on this deal now i have called dennis's shop and u never get a call back...richard will relace header if its with in the 2 yr date which he needs header to be able to tell...
and as for people wanting to say im whining...u all would do the same thing if ubought a bike for 10k and couldn ride it and was not was advertised....
like i have said from the beggining...i want the bike 251 hp like i bought it...ive looked up the ohio lemon law on rivate sales and there is steps to take....all i want done is it made right to me like terry said....i dont care if it cost 100 dollars or 1500 dollars...he said he would make it right and thats all i want period.....
oh and why dydno cost was because the header is on a ghetto kit....a rcc header may not be exactly the same so it will need tuning to make right...why put on a slightly diff header and end up burnin a piston or something from not tuning it to header
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1700 was a quit est by a dealer for rcc to get header,take bike apart,reinstall header,retune...
650 for header,4-600 or so for labor and 400 to dyno tune...thats just the quote i got ok...
and yes a turbo ridden in rain with the stainless that hot then coldwould crack it
the last long run wasn't the run in the rain, i started to ride the bike one time after that, and got 2 blocks from my house and a freak downpoor popped out of no where, so i went 2 blocks turned around and came home, so bike wasn't that hot
and the way greg made it sound on the phone was that there was a hole in the pipe the size of a quarter or something,
and again i still ask, what parts are involved in an "ultra bike"
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ok but hot stainless gettin cooled off real quick is bad...like takin a old small block chevy with it hot and sprayin it with cold water...could crack the block...
for everyone on here who wants to voice the opinion cool...if u cant see all i want is the bike to do 251 hp like advertised like i bought then please let me find u guys when i wanna sell something..ill just make it to be something diff then when u get it i guess ull see how shitty it is...
like ive stated 100 times...i want 251 hp and a bike i can ride like advertised...
oh and a ultra kit is totally diff and this kit will be sold when i start a ultra bike..i just wanted something to finish the year on...no frame mods needed on a ultra kit...and what does me buildin a ultra in winter have to do with this...
my bitch,gripe,whine whatever u wanna call it is i want what i paid for
never made it sound like a hole..the weight of the turbo pulls the crack open especially when it gets hot....welded stainless like that will do nothing but crack next to the welds..
ultra kit includes....well a ultra turbo kit,full motor build,and tune by richard...pretty cut and dry..nothing from this kit will be on it...but i do need to finish my year of riding with this kit so i would like it to run properly
so there for with the header like this..its a good reason why bike made 157 on that dyno
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ok but hot stainless gettin cooled off real quick is bad...like takin a old small block chevy with it hot and sprayin it with cold water...could crack the block...
for everyone on here who wants to voice the opinion cool...if u cant see all i want is the bike to do 251 hp like advertised like i bought then please let me find u guys when i wanna sell something..ill just make it to be something diff then when u get it i guess ull see how shitty it is...
like ive stated 100 times...i want 251 hp and a bike i can ride like advertised...
oh and a ultra kit is totally diff and this kit will be sold when i start a ultra bike..i just wanted something to finish the year on...no frame mods needed on a ultra kit...and what does me buildin a ultra in winter have to do with this...
my bitch,gripe,whine whatever u wanna call it is i want what i paid for
never made it sound like a hole..the weight of the turbo pulls the crack open especially when it gets hot....welded stainless like that will do nothing but crack next to the welds..
ultra kit includes....well a ultra turbo kit,full motor build,and tune by richard...pretty cut and dry..nothing from this kit will be on it...but i do need to finish my year of riding with this kit so i would like it to run properly
my point was, you told me you were buying the bike to convert it to an "ultra show bike", and you told me you were gonna be taking it apart right away and getting the stuff powdercoated while it was apart, i'll see if i have those emails as well, i know some of the stuff we discussed was already posted in some of the emails i already posted. the point is, if you are planning on putting everything new in the bike, while it's apart, get the header welded and ill gladly send you the $25 or $50 to weld it, or ship it to me, i'll pay shipping up and back, i've got a professisonal fab shop that will fix it, and i'll pay to fix it
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yes bike is apart right now actually..wheels are off and so are all small pieces..i just didnt send them anywhere cause i didnt know where this whole thing was gonna go..i woulda rather had u refund me and sell it to someone else like u said u coulda...
now i got a bad taste in my mouth about this bike like i did the 14...sold that cause it started off wrong...now ill probably sell this cause it started off wrong...i bought the bike to get on it and ride it for a few more months...but i want it how i paid for it...not a big deal....
but i see u all on this site think that im wrong for wantin what i paid for
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yes bike is apart right now actually..wheels are off and so are all small pieces..i just didnt send them anywhere cause i didnt know where this whole thing was gonna go..i woulda rather had u refund me and sell it to someone else like u said u coulda...
now i got a bad taste in my mouth about this bike like i did the 14...sold that cause it started off wrong...now ill probably sell this cause it started off wrong...i bought the bike to get on it and ride it for a few more months...but i want it how i paid for it...not a big deal....
but i see u all on this site think that im wrong for wantin what i paid for
not wrong just going at it a little wrong
he didnt know there was a problem and you act like its his fault and that he knew
which i doubt he did
he had posted that one thread here a while back
so he had never truely lied about anything
please dont feel im tryin to fight though ok
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well, i got an email that hayabusa 200 had made a post, thats louis i believe, but then it's been deleted already?
anyone see what was posted?
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Terry, this is Louie the guy who helped sell Johns bike and who sold the Ultra to Greg. Just for the record, the ultra that I sold Greg was about as clean as you are going to get with a used bike, and I doubt very much he would deny that, and ANYONE that knows me personally will vouch that I would rather take a hit on something than to screw someone over intentionally. The problem that Greg had with my Ultra was a fluke thing that I had "NO" idea existed. I do not recall the time frame of how long after i sold the bike that Greg encountered the problem, but when it left my house I sold it with a 100% clear conscience. If I remember correctly, the turbo backing plate came loose and the impeller got wiped out ( correct me if im wrong Greg). When that bike left my house there was nothing that indicated a problem, and it was something that I honestly never checked when going over my bike. Anyone who has had anything high performance knows that things can take a turn for the worse at anytime, and preventative maintenance is a big part of keeping it running, but obviously it was something I overlooked. Now that I have heard second hand what can happen, I will keep an eye on that with my new bike. If I thought for any reason there was a problem with the bike when I sold it , I would have either fixed it or credited Greg with money to fix it. Never once did I have an issue with Greg demanding money from me. He was very cool about it, upset of what happened, and rightly so, but not pointing the blame on me. So just to let you know, I did not screw him and he never put the blame on me personally. Also with the bike that you bought off of John, that I helped sell, I tried my best to describe it, and relayed the information that I had from the owner to you. Remember this was not my bike, but a friends. All I know is that it was a respectable bike, which im sure you wont deny, and it ran fine when you picked it up. I just want you to know that I never did or will intentionally try to stick it to someone. :wink:
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Terry, this is Louie the guy who helped sell Johns bike and who sold the Ultra to Greg. Just for the record, the ultra that I sold Greg was about as clean as you are going to get with a used bike, and I doubt very much he would deny that, and ANYONE that knows me personally will vouch that I would rather take a hit on something than to screw someone over intentionally. The problem that Greg had with my Ultra was a fluke thing that I had "NO" idea existed. I do not recall the time frame of how long after i sold the bike that Greg encountered the problem, but when it left my house I sold it with a 100% clear conscience. If I remember correctly, the turbo backing plate came loose and the impeller got wiped out ( correct me if im wrong Greg). When that bike left my house there was nothing that indicated a problem, and it was something that I honestly never checked when going over my bike. Anyone who has had anything high performance knows that things can take a turn for the worse at anytime, and preventative maintenance is a big part of keeping it running, but obviously it was something I overlooked. Now that I have heard second hand what can happen, I will keep an eye on that with my new bike. If I thought for any reason there was a problem with the bike when I sold it , I would have either fixed it or credited Greg with money to fix it. Never once did I have an issue with Greg demanding money from me. He was very cool about it, upset of what happened, and rightly so, but not pointing the blame on me. So just to let you know, I did not screw him and he never put the blame on me personally. Also with the bike that you bought off of John, that I helped sell, I tried my best to describe it, and relayed the information that I had from the owner to you. Remember this was not my bike, but a friends. All I know is that it was a respectable bike, which im sure you wont deny, and it ran fine when you picked it up. I just want you to know that I never did or will intentionally try to stick it to someone.
i never said he was actually screwed, i said he claimed he was screwed, and he even posted in here about all the "problems" he had with his last bike, i believe you listed the bike in clear conscience as i relisted it in clear conscience. the bike rode as great the last day i rode it as the first day i rode it, i guess i just don't know how a turbo is supposed to feel, cuz to me the bike felt frikin nasty , on the painted parts and stuff he complained about, just like john said, you order the arm black, chrome, or polished, i would have even thought that was something to think about, john said he mailed me the one little corner sticker that got rubbed and i should have it in a day or two and i will forward it to greg. as far as what john told me today that you told him, i can only go by what he said, he told me that you said he called you up complaining about the turbo right away,
again, i loved the bike when i first saw it, thats why i offered john $500 more for the bike than someone else offered him, and i loved the bike when i sold it, but i'm buying a 45k car that most people are buying for 55k+ and i'm getting it for $42k, thats the only reason i sold it. to me there was no indication of anything wrong, even when the dyno thing happened i posted in here how i got fuked by the chopper shop just as someone mentioned as i was pretty pi$$ed at them
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louie i agree 100 percent and have posted in here buyin ur bike may have spoiled me to the clean part of buyin used..bike was perfect...yes backin plate broke and louie stepped up 100 percent and said he would back up 100 percent of what it cost..just so happened that it was a known problem and fixed for free..
louie did not come on here tellin the whole board that his bike made 157 hp on a dyno yet sellin it at a 251 hp....
terry when u saw 157 hp u shoulda right then had it checked to see if there was something wrong before u sold it at 251 hp...bottom line u admitted u saw it low on power and didnt know why but never checked or had someone check before i bought it...
and this 157 hp was never brought up to me till u posted it here...if i had known that i would have been more sceptical on buying the bike and maybe not have bought at all...but u werent honest there and like i said 157 hp u shoulda seen a problem and corrected before the sale...
u dont need to be a turbo guy or anything else to know if a dyno comes up 157 maybe something should be checked..if my bike was down 100 hp id be checkin till i found it....
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oh and terry i bought rear pegs and brackets cause i dont wanna have bike fixed and not be able to take the girlfriend for a ride so i payed for a set already no need for u to go out of ur way to get the ones i was promised with bike
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now i got a bad taste in my mouth about this bike like i did the 14...sold that cause it started off wrong...now ill probably sell this cause it started off wrong...
No - you just sound like a head case... :thumb:
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whatever u wanna call it....just sucks all around..i just wanted a bike i could pull off truck and ride and no have to deal with issues within first 1 mile of riding
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u know what..i want this ended and ill do what i gotta do
terry u said u would make it right..paypal me the money for a new header and ill pay the labor and tuning....i think this is fair and i want this over with....
can this be settled like this?if u agree terry and u paypal me the money ill delete this post and we will go our seperate ways...ill deal with the tuning and the rest
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you send me that header, i'll pay for the shipping, i'll have it repaired and i'll send it back,
i'm not building your ultra header for you
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louie did not come on here tellin the whole board that his bike made 157 hp on a dyno yet sellin it at a 251 hp....
terry when u saw 157 hp u shoulda right then had it checked to see if there was something wrong before u sold it at 251 hp...bottom line u admitted u saw it low on power and didnt know why but never checked or had someone check before i bought it...
and this 157 hp was never brought up to me till u posted it here...if i had known that i would have been more sceptical on buying the bike and maybe not have bought at all...but u werent honest there and like i said 157 hp u shoulda seen a problem and corrected before the sale...
u dont need to be a turbo guy or anything else to know if a dyno comes up 157 maybe something should be checked..if my bike was down 100 hp id be checkin till i found it....
like i said, i didn't know it was low on power, i thought there dyno was messed up because it was a 200hp dyno and they didn't want to dyno it in the first place and i never had a problem with the bike, so i didn't "know" anything, and thats a fact, put me on a lie detector test
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dude ur not buildin a ultra header..when i get that ill be buyin a complete kit not to mention a ultra header will not work with this little turbo
ive talked to alot of people about repairing and was told it will break again even welded..im not takin a bike apart every few weeks or so cause u dont wanna man up and pay for PART of the bill its gonna cost me...
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see i think you should have just ponied up another 4k and you could have had my bike which looks alot better and makes way more power and has a boat load more doen to it. oh and you wouldnt have this headache going on either. but hope it works out for you
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I have worked around welders that TIG just about everything and they said it wouldn't be a problem welding a stainless header "been there done that."
I quote" It's not F#$% cast iron for gods sake" These guys know what they are talking about.
If done right it no problem :thumb:
Hope you guys get this worked out.
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Well i wont get into your disscution about who owes who or what but I have welded a new ghetto header that fell apart in two places and it held till the flanges that go in the head fell off then I tiged those back on and it still holding togeather and i think it was less than a year old, if its done right it WILL hold.
Now if you run it through the rain or get it wet while its hot yes it will crack but it shouldnt crack any faster after its welded than it did from the start.
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Looks like a missing clamp on the throttle body boot ... who worked on this bike? :?
(http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i126/iculkn56/0718072202.jpg)
Possible dirt leaking past the air filter? ... looks kind of dirty inside the turbo inlet.
(http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i126/iculkn56/0718072152a.jpg)
Low on power? ... I can see why.
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not the point! if the header is cracked, the seller should be liable to send another header, not fix the one that was defective...replace the part and be done with it...or take the bike back refund the money and be done with each other...SIMPLE!!!!
geezz how hard is that! Terry i have spoken to you and you are a good guy, and greg is a good friend of mine also, there is no reason for this post to go on like this, you are 2 adults trying to work out this situation, and everyone is putting there .02 which is causing more hostility..bottom line...if the header was defective then yes..terry you need to replace it with a new one...
please guys work it out...we are all family here ...if you dont have family ...you have nothing...
tim
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whatever u wanna call it....just sucks all around..i just wanted a bike i could pull off truck and ride and no have to deal with issues within first 1 mile of riding
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Then you should go to your local dealer and pick a bike from the show room floor. and stop buying bikes that have been preped for racing. :thumb: :thumb:lol
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not the point! if the header is cracked, the seller should be liable to send another header, not fix the one that was defective...replace the part and be done with it...or take the bike back refund the money and be done with each other...SIMPLE!!!!
geezz how hard is that! Terry i have spoken to you and you are a good guy, and greg is a good friend of mine also, there is no reason for this post to go on like this, you are 2 adults trying to work out this situation, and everyone is putting there .02 which is causing more hostility..bottom line...if the header was defective then yes..terry you need to replace it with a new one...
please guys work it out...we are all family here ...if you dont have family ...you have nothing...
tim
BUT this could of been fixed before it was sold, and the buyer would not have know it was welded until he tor into the bike. so i think rewelding it is the far thing to do.
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but it wasnt fixed now i cant ride bike and i gotta spend the money to have someone pull the thing apart...
i bought a bike that wasnt race prepped if it was the map wouldnt be for pump gas....
look im gonna say this one more time and im done...and for u blind people who dont wanna understand dont even bother sayin anything
I WANT THE BIKE I PAID FOR...BOTTOM MOTHER F#CKING LINE....NOT HARD TO UNDERSTAND..I WANT WHAT WAS ADVERTISED..NOT BUT A BIKE AND HAVE TO DUMP MONEY INTO IT TO GET IT TO WHERE IT WAS ADVERTISED...CAN U ALL UNDERSTAND THAT ?????????????
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but it wasnt fixed now i cant ride bike and i gotta spend the money to have someone pull the thing apart...
i bought a bike that wasnt race prepped if it was the map wouldnt be for pump gas....
look im gonna say this one more time and im done...and for u blind people who dont wanna understand dont even bother sayin anything
I WANT THE BIKE I PAID FOR...BOTTOM MOTHER F#CKING LINE....NOT HARD TO UNDERSTAND..I WANT WHAT WAS ADVERTISED..NOT BUT A BIKE AND HAVE TO DUMP MONEY INTO IT TO GET IT TO WHERE IT WAS ADVERTISED...CAN U ALL UNDERSTAND THAT ?????????????
send me the pipe, i'll fix it, even though there is now way i could have known about it, it isn't like you can hear it leaking, you never said anything about hearing an exhaust leak, and the bike was building boost, your claiming no boost and thats a flat out lie, i wouldn't be surprised if you bent the pipe yourself,
you just said before you already had the bike apart, wheels off and stuff? how can you ride a bike with no wheels on it? i sold the bike in good faith, i'll fix the pipe, but thats it
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i think it would be fair if you pay him for a new manifold and he sends you back the damaged one for you to repair. Then you can sell the repaired one. Somebody said it before in the post but the word "ignorance" really makes alot of sense. It doesnt matter if you didnt know it was cracked or spray painted or whatever. Fact is that it ACTUALLY IS cracked, spray painted or whatever. Id step up and replace his manifold and not sell anything in the future unless you know what you actually have to save all the headache.
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i think it would be fair if you pay him for a new manifold and he sends you back the damaged one for you to repair. Then you can sell the repaired one. Somebody said it before in the post but the word "ignorance" really makes alot of sense. It doesnt matter if you didnt know it was cracked or spray painted or whatever. Fact is that it ACTUALLY IS cracked, spray painted or whatever. Id step up and replace his manifold and not sell anything in the future unless you know what you actually have to save all the headache.
well, i bought the bike 3 months ago not knowing much about turbo's and sold it 3 months later not knowing any more, i'm not a mechanic,
i'll pay for shipping both ways, i've got a killer fab shop here that did the cage on my lightning that builds custom headers and i know they will be honest with me on how it will hold up, plus the fact, if these headers are only good for 1500-2000 miles anyway, then whats the point of buying a new one anyway
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I WANT THE BIKE I PAID FOR...BOTTOM MOTHER F#CKING LINE....NOT HARD TO UNDERSTAND..I WANT WHAT WAS ADVERTISED..NOT BUT A BIKE AND HAVE TO DUMP MONEY INTO IT TO GET IT TO WHERE IT WAS ADVERTISED...CAN U ALL UNDERSTAND THAT ?????????????
What's that old saying again? ... oh yeah, "Buyer Beware".
From the photos you posted I would have thought some "bewareness" would have been present. I would have asked for good photos from the seller before pulling the trigger on any bike I couldn't inspect in person.
Just send him the pipe for repair ... beefcake is making a fair resolution on that IMO.
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Somebody said it before in the post but the word "ignorance" really makes alot of sense. It doesnt matter if you didnt know it was cracked or spray painted or whatever. Fact is that it ACTUALLY IS cracked, spray painted or whatever. Id step up and replace his manifold and not sell anything in the future unless you know what you actually have to save all the headache.
How can you expect someone to who bought a used bike and then sold it shortly after to be responsible for issues that were there when he bought it and didn't know they exist?
It's important for a seller to divulge everything he KNOWS about the bike and to be honest with the buyer so issues like this don't occur. BUT, if a seller really doesn't know of an issue and the buyer later discovers something wrong then it's the buyers problem legally.
Now what was that old saying again? ... oh yeah, "Buyer Beware".
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But he did know that the problems existed. The bike dyno'ed extremely low, and he blamed the dyno. I argued with him on that thread quite a bit, telling him there was something wrong with the bike. He didn't say he knew nothing about turbo's on that thread, in fact he came across as a know it all. He acted like it couldn't possibly be his bike. My feeling is that he recognized there was problems and sold the bike shortly thereafter, passing his problem on to someone else. He said he was going to re-dyno the bike after the 157 HP or whatever it was, I'm thinking maybe he re-dyno'ed the bike and came up with similar numbers... hence the sale. As far as pictures go, the ones he posted before the sale are very different than the ones the new buyer posted.
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But he did know that the problems existed. The bike dyno'ed extremely low, and he blamed the dyno. I argued with him on that thread quite a bit, telling him there was something wrong with the bike. He didn't say he knew nothing about turbo's on that thread, in fact he came across as a know it all. He acted like it couldn't possibly be his bike. My feeling is that he recognized there was problems and sold the bike shortly thereafter, passing his problem on to someone else. He said he was going to re-dyno the bike after the 157 HP or whatever it was, I'm thinking maybe he re-dyno'ed the bike and came up with similar numbers... hence the sale. As far as pictures go, the ones he posted before the sale are very different than the ones the new buyer posted.
Well, it could be beefcake knew the bike had issues because of low power (but probably didn't know exactly what they were), and dumped the bike because of it. If he wasn't honest about the bike's performance, etc then that's deception of the sale.
You got a link to the photos that were posted when this bike was put up for sale?
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The photos are the ones posted earlier in this topic, which I believe are the same ones the buyer based his decision to purchase from. The bike looks good in those photos, but apparently had a lot of spray paint and other cheap ways to make it look good. I think both people involved in this post were somewhat misled as to what the bike really was.
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See page 1 reply #13 for the photos
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But he did know that the problems existed. The bike dyno'ed extremely low, and he blamed the dyno. I argued with him on that thread quite a bit, telling him there was something wrong with the bike. He didn't say he knew nothing about turbo's on that thread, in fact he came across as a know it all. He acted like it couldn't possibly be his bike. My feeling is that he recognized there was problems and sold the bike shortly thereafter, passing his problem on to someone else. He said he was going to re-dyno the bike after the 157 HP or whatever it was, I'm thinking maybe he re-dyno'ed the bike and came up with similar numbers... hence the sale. As far as pictures go, the ones he posted before the sale are very different than the ones the new buyer posted.
how the the pictures be that different other than a wash, i ownded the bike for 3 1/2 months and 800 miles for crying out loud, big deal, the bike needed to be fkn washed, and if your remember i bitched up and down about that dyno,
and again, why would i pay to redyno a bike that was tuned 6 weeks and 500 miles earlier by dennis? the only reason i went there was to house some quick cash
i sold the car and then the bike to make way for the car i ordere which will be here in 5-6 weeks, i carry a pretty big nut each month and with buying a 45k car, it's gonna be a little tight on the toys,
i talked to greg, he said the header can't be welded, too much damage and it will cost $650 for a new one. he said if i send him the $650 he will be happy,
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There are no winners in this situation. Like I said, I think both of you were misled as to what the bike really was, and the mechanical condition of the bike. Obviously I don't know the entire story, only know what's been posted on this site, but that's how it looks from here.
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And there are mechanical issues in those photos that soap and water will not change.
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There are no winners in this situation. Like I said, I think both of you were misled as to what the bike really was, and the mechanical condition of the bike. Obviously I don't know the entire story, only know what's been posted on this site, but that's how it looks from here.
like i said, if the driviability of the bike was bad, or it felt like something was wrong, or it was a year after i bought the bike, i might have thought about redynoing it, but the fact that their dyno wasn't rated for the power my bike was making and they didn't want to dyno it in the first place, and the bike performed flawlessly, and dennis had just dyno tuned it, i felt no reason to put any faith in what these guys had to say.
i drive past there shop every day, and every day since then i go, theres them fukin idiots that don't know shit about bikes,
not to mention the fact the bike is showing about 8psi of boost, imo how can a bike be making 8psi of boost and not even making the power of a stock bike? really? if the bike smoked like it was leaking antifreeze, or something like that, i'd understand. i still don't get the whole header thing as the bike never made less than 7-8 psi of boost any time i looked at the gauge, i would think i would be able to feel if the bike dropped off 6psi all of a sudden.
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And there are mechanical issues in those photos that soap and water will not change.
then they were there before i bought the bike, i never did anything to the bike other than change the oil when i bought it, cut the plastic around the pipe and ride it. the tire and air shifter were done at professional shops
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See page 1 reply #13 for the photos
Its hard to really tell anything from photos like that IMO. Obviously, someone did a somewhat "hack job" on this bike along the way IMO, and a couple of people have now paid the price because they didn't have the knowledge to recognize these issues. Too bad really that some clown can hack up a bike like this and pass it on to others who aren't up on this stuff until it comes down to a situation like this.
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not to mention the fact the bike is showing about 8psi of boost, imo how can a bike be making 8psi of boost and not even making the power of a stock bike? really? if the bike smoked like it was leaking antifreeze, or something like that, i'd understand. i still don't get the whole header thing as the bike never made less than 7-8 psi of boost any time i looked at the gauge, i would think i would be able to feel if the bike dropped off 6psi all of a sudden.
If you really know there was 8 psi of pressure (was it actually measured with an accurate gage?) in the intake plenum, and it didn't make much power, then there's other issues going on IMO.
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my thing is that i honestly, truly loved the bike, and if it wasn't for my impending 700+ car payment, i would have never sold it,
i've sold 2 other busa's that i bought new, and never heard a peep from em, i've sold all of my cars and trucks on ebay and have a perfect feedback there as well. all those cars except one were bought new as well.
this is the first used bike and the first turbo bike that i've bought.
my thing is i bought it in good faith. i wanted to clear out the payment fast because i needed to move it before i got my car. i waited to sell the bike til my car sold because if the car didn't sell, i had no intentions of selling the bike.
i sold the bike in good faith as well. now, i understand there appears to be an issue, so, i guess i initially got fugged, and then am getting fugged again.
my problem is that now i'm expected to suck up the whole hit. louis said he knew the bike well, but if this was indeed a hack job, then he is lying. i don't know, as i don't know anythign about these turbo bikes.
i buy and sell stuff quick all the time, i had my 05 less than 6 months, i had my rune for 4 months, i had my 02 se for less than a year, the 06gt i just sold i had for 10 months, the lightning i sold before that i had about 11 months, it's not like i "dumped" the bike because of problems, the bike ran great, it ran perfect,
i already got beat up on for $550 for "painted parts", which still chaps my ass, i mean, thats how the bike came? i didn't get the whole idea behind it, pictures were posted of it before it was listed. so, i got 550 for painted parts, 650 for a header, where the hell does it end i guess is my concern?
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not to mention the fact the bike is showing about 8psi of boost, imo how can a bike be making 8psi of boost and not even making the power of a stock bike? really? if the bike smoked like it was leaking antifreeze, or something like that, i'd understand. i still don't get the whole header thing as the bike never made less than 7-8 psi of boost any time i looked at the gauge, i would think i would be able to feel if the bike dropped off 6psi all of a sudden.
If you really know there was 8 psi of pressure (was it actually measured with an accurate gage?) in the intake plenum, and it didn't make much power, then there's other issues going on IMO.
greg says it showed 1-2 psi of boost, i say it was showing 8, i'm going by the gauge installed on the bike
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it showed 1-2 psi fluttering though..it would not hold boost at all...it feels like a bone stock bike all the way through rpms..it dont have that 5k rpm hit when the turbo spools..thats how i truly knew something was wrong....
the guy who did ur shifter build and tunes turbo bikes but he didnt realize there was no hit when boost came on?he cant be that good then cause im a amatuer and i can tell that right off the bat
the headers is cracked all the way around and all up into the header pipes them selves..i have pics which i will post....
terry said he waould pay the header if it made me happy and yes..he pays for header i did the shitty labor today of takin it apart..who ever really built bike was terrible...the dump and wastegate pipes wont come off cause the bolts are rusted in..one is half hangin out and wont go in or out...nothing was never seized...just in my opinion a terrible install...
but like i said im stickin to my guns..i want what i paid for..terry said he would buy header...welding shop said he could drill the cracks in pipe to get them to stop then weld it but its so broken up inside the flange too he could not guarentee it will even last beings its 16 guages stainless...
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header off...notice 3rd pic crack is on top and bottom
(http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i126/iculkn56/0721071325.jpg)
(http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i126/iculkn56/0721071324b.jpg)
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so like i said terry verbaly on phone agreed to pay for header and paypal me the money which will go into a certified check to richard...theres no dates on this header so its over 2 yrs old and no warranty..ive talked to richard already..
so once paypal is here..this issue will be dead..illpost on behalf of terry's good faith to make it as right as possible...
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it showed 1-2 psi fluttering though..it would not hold boost at all...it feels like a bone stock bike all the way through rpms..it dont have that 5k rpm hit when the turbo spools..thats how i truly knew something was wrong....
The small cracks in the header is probably not the only cause of the low boost. That turbo should be able to still build some boost with some slight leakage in the header IMO. Something else is causing low boost pressure. If those throttle body boots are missing clamps then there could be some major leakage going on there. Many things can cause no or low boost pressure.
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i know...my buddy here has a stage 1 kit also..his header did this before and he made no boost..once the header got hot it opened the cracks up more...
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Greg,
That can be fixed/welded by somebody that knows what he is doing. Make sure the guy that fixes it goes through all the procedures (v-grinding, preheating, etc.) before actually welding
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i brought it 2 3 shops today...2 of them build race cars and because of the wall thickness of the pipe and the way its cracked up the pipes no one will take the risk and i dont wanna go through have it welded then go through havin to pull it apart in a week....the metal is crimbling as u can see theres actual pieces i stuck back in palce..there actually holes in it....ive asked richard at rcc about these and was told to get new..welding will not fix it
im sorry but ill place my money on richard anyday...anyone who has talked or dealt with him know he does nothing to screw people over
and being the weldes are so close to bolt holes now it can t be built up anymore
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im not taking any sides on this issue but in my eyes you bought it as is, simple as that. as for the bike not being what he advertised i agree that he shoudl have had it looked at before sellign it knowing it was low on hp. the fact that bitching it was dirty.....c'mon man get off your lazy ass and get to cleaning it yourself. sh*t happens. if you buy a new car doy ou cry cuz the under carriage is dirty form the tansporter ride out......... no i dont think so so back off the dirty bike issue already. im so glad that i didnt sell you my bike cuz we would have settled it and i would have taken the bike back and given you your money plus a black eye. all im saying is dude grow up and realize you bought a USED clapped out bike. you got hustled. get over it. it happens everyday. hearing you cry about this makes me wonder if you whine about not buying the winning lottery ticket.
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wow a internet tough guy threats over the computer....dude first of all no need for ur comments ur showin ur true colors also..
i didnt come on here and throw terry in..i was simply starting a post basically to let everyone know check ur shit before u buy...took me 2 people to do it to me to learn...
terry agreed to pay for header and the issue is done..as for buyin a clapped out bike...lol like ive said too many time
I WANT WHAT WAS ADVERTISED AND I PAID FOR....period..is it that hard to understand?if u dont see someone wanting to get what they paid for then ur an idiot...the cleaning part hasnt been brought up for pages...i want the 251 hp..the rest ill deal with
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IMO it boils down to beefcake getting a royal screw!!!
He already took a $1500 hit because of a little dirt and painted parts! Christ 9rto1k you bought the bike unseen but for some pics!
There seems to be a pattern developing with your bike deals!
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The bottom line is...NEVER EVER BUY ANYTHING WITHOUT FIRST SEEING/RIDING IT. Otherwise you have no one else to blame but yourself :shock: :? :bah: :cry:
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he didnt take a 1500 dollar hit..alittle dirt and aint????????????its called honesty...i asked him his bottom rice he said 10750..i found out after i sent deposit thats stuff was painted....i asked for 500 of to cover powdercoating and bearings..he agreed with no issue...he waned the car
he wants his car and i want a 251 hp advertised bike....
u know what kills me about this...any i mean anyone of u guys postin and tryin to bash me would be just as pissed and do the same thing and dont say u wont...u went and bought a tv from best buy and got it home and it was broke ur tellin me u woulda just sucked it up and not brought it back?BULLSHIT..anyone wants to argue that ur as FAKE as a 3 dollar bill....
as for a pattern....anyone who got the shit i did would be pissed just like i am...everyone wants to go acting like they just blow stuff off and suck it up...look in the dealing section and see how many post about being screwed..dont look lik its just me
so like i said earlier...terry has already agreed to pay for header and this will be over..ill post on his behalf when i get the paypal...
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After the situation has been handled the post should be locked.
None of the people that are posting BS are helping in anyway. :|
I hope it gets resolved soon and I am sure Richard will supply a great part!
J
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thnx speed..the bs should stop..i wont lock thread ill delete and publically post a new post thanking terry for being stand up and helpin make the bike what he advertised
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u know what kills me about this...any i mean anyone of u guys postin and tryin to bash me would be just as pissed and do the same thing and dont say u wont...u went and bought a tv from best buy and got it home and it was broke ur tellin me u woulda just sucked it up and not brought it back?BULLSHIT..anyone wants to argue that ur as FAKE as a 3 dollar bill....
your comparing used and new. if i bought a USED tv i would look it over before i bought it. if i bought a brand new one, yes it better be in perfect shape. everybody knows you want your 251 hp, but you went about it the wrong way. first you should of looked the bike over and seen what the problem was. then after you found it you came up with some BS number. you said it included the new header, LABOR, and dyno. well im taking it you had sombody take that turbo off for you? becuase you had no right to charge labor when you where going to do it yourself. bottom line, you got a turbo busa for cheap and now you want it even cheaper.
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more i think about it, i am just going to sleep on it, this has been eating me up all frikin day,
i got to thinkin about the conversation i had with greg a few days after he gave me the deposit.
"yeah, i talked to a guy that said you were gonna sell it to him for 10k" i was like noooooo, he laughed it off, and said, ahh, it's a great deal anyway, then the day he's supposed to send the checks comes the first $500 off for the "painted stuff" that i actually ended up at $550 for. that's still chapping my ass as the bike had a custom swingarm made for it that was ordered in black to match the frame. i guess i'm wondering now, why did i take $550 off for an arm that costs i don't know how much money that was ordered in the same color as the bike.
$ after $ after $,
and like was just said, obviously the mechanical ability here is way above mine, the bikes got no wheels on it, whole thing is ripped apart and i was gonna get caught up in labor for this if i'd laid down the first day.
as far as having it redynoed after it was low, on their dyno i look at it like this,
my mustang tuner is one of the best in the country, and has been doing it for years,
if i had ken tune my car for 800rwhp, and the car ran perfect, and 500 miles later i go to joe schmoe dyno day where they got their dyno 3 days earlier, and the dyno is rated for 600 hp and the car made 500 hp on their dyno, and the car still ran exactly the same, would i go back to ken for him to redyno, no way no how, i would take his word over theirs anyday because i trust him whole heartedly. same way i trusted dennis who had the dyno rated for the turbo busa over the chop shop who had their dyno less than a week rated for less hp,
i'm gonna sleep on it tonight and see what comes to me, i've asked some of my close mustang group what their thougths were as well, i know they'll give me honest input too
i'm just sick to my stomach over this,
and i'm still wondering if it's a $50-200 weld job
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more i think about it, i am just going to sleep on it, this has been eating me up all frikin day,
i got to thinkin about the conversation i had with greg a few days after he gave me the deposit.
"yeah, i talked to a guy that said you were gonna sell it to him for 10k" i was like noooooo, he laughed it off, and said, ahh, it's a great deal anyway, then the day he's supposed to send the checks comes the first $500 off for the "painted stuff" that i actually ended up at $550 for. that's still chapping my ass as the bike had a custom swingarm made for it that was ordered in black to match the frame. i guess i'm wondering now, why did i take $550 off for an arm that costs i don't know how much money that was ordered in the same color as the bike.
$ after $ after $,
and like was just said, obviously the mechanical ability here is way above mine, the bikes got no wheels on it, whole thing is ripped apart and i was gonna get caught up in labor for this if i'd laid down the first day.
i'm gonna sleep on it tonight and see what comes to me, i've asked some of my close mustang group what their thougths were as well, i know they'll give me honest input too
i'm just sick to my stomach over this,
and i'm still wondering if it's a $50-200 weld job
The way he's working you pretty soon you'll be paying him to take the bike lol
On another note...you did get a bill of sale for both parties CLEARLY stating AS IS didn't you??? No?..shame on you, lesson learned eh?
Anything sold used is AS IS unless otherwise stated on a contract or bill of sale. Its virtually impossible to enforce ANY kind of verbal agreements :wink:
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in ohio used vehicles are as is unless bought from a dealer or stated in a contract
as far as lemon law
To qualify under the Ohio Lemon Law or the federal Lemon Law, you must generally have a product that suffered multiple repair attempts under the manufacturer’s factory warranty.
A lemon is a motor vehicle that has a problem or problems, covered by the warranty, that substantially impairs the use, value, or safety of that vehicle. If you have had problems within the first year or 18,000 miles with your passenger car, light truck (no more than one ton load capacity and not used in business), or motorcycle, you should take it back to the manufacturer or the dealer and ask them to fix it. If they fail to correct the problem(s) after being given a reasonable opportunity to do so, you might own a lemon.
If you are looking at buying a used car, keep in mind that Ohio's Lemon Law does not apply to motor vehicles more than one year old or driven more than 18,000 miles.
last thing i'm worried about is "implied warranty" as well
i'm familiar with some of this stuff as i work at a dealership
if we sell a car "as is" it's as is, we don't have to do anything,
the reason we won't fix anything on an as-is piece is "implied warranty" if we fix one thing on an as-is car and don't charge it to the customer, we are now implying that the vehicle has a warranty on it and the customer can now come back to us over and over for repairs on that vehicle, i don't believe this implies to individuals selling a vehicle, but i don't want to end up in a trick bag either
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so like i said earlier...terry has already agreed to pay for header and this will be over..ill post on his behalf when i get the paypal...
So what happens when the new header is put on and it still doesn't created enough boost? :dh:
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lets just hope that it does build boost....im sure it will...
as for buyin new to used comment...listen i bought was was advertised and not givin it...dont matter used or new...i bought what was advertised..it was publically advertised as 251 hp and its not..
so after all this terry and our phone conversation ur gonna go back on ur word?no its not a 50-200 dollar weld job....the header is basically crumbling inside...
here even better...after u send me the money and i get my new one..ill send u this one...u have someone fix it who says it can be and sell it..that way wen it comes apart again u can deal with it then..i dont wanna..
i want what i paid for
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Dennis' name was mentioned 19 times in this thread.
Carry on! :D
we're up to 22 now :wink:
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another issue for weldin terry...and all of u bashing me
heres another problemm..i took it to another shop today to try and save terry money and once again no ones wants to do it..
no this cant be welded here either that i found today cause it wont allow the flange close enough to head
(http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i126/iculkn56/0722071721.jpg)
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yup thats definately toast. No saving that thing. He keeps on talking about taking a $3000 hit or something like that for riding it 3 months? Well do you expect to sell a car you bought 3 months ago to sell for the same price when the exhaust system is destroyed even if you didnt know? Its the same thing as getting in an accident. Broken parts decrease value. Just replace the header and make the problem go away.
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You guys say what you want but I have yet to see anything on that header that couldn't be fixed.
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ive been welding for 8 years an i wouldnt touch anything that looked like that. its always going to come back on you. no matter how much you tell them you wont warranty it and that welding it wont fix it. all heat is going to do is stress the metal around it more and cause more cracks. its too brittle the list goes on an on why not to weld that.
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thank u...i been welding for 12 yrs but never got into stainless...but every shop told me yes it can be welded but it will not last..the heat will make the rest brittle and it will break again next to new welds....richard says it can be welded but wont last...
every shop said it will probably only last days do to the heat making it brittle and the weight of the turbo on it...its brittle enough from motor heat but weldin it will be 10 times worse
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you can drill the ends and grind and fill the cracks but that just looks so brittle the heat will put so much stress on the metal around it. you might get lucky an that just been an imperfection in the casting and it hold fine but i really doubt it.
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you can drill the ends and grind and fill the cracks but that just looks so brittle the heat will put so much stress on the metal around it. you might get lucky an that just been an imperfection in the casting and it hold fine but i really doubt it.
those arent cast
but seeing that area suxs to weld
i had one of mine crack there
it took a while to get it fixed
a few spots we just replaced instead of repaired
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yeah and by the time ur done replacing and fitting and paying a welder by the hour u may have just gotten a new header..lol this is my point...i just wanna ride..thats it..i wanna ride and i want what i paid for
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ok this issue is dead
terry says he will pay half..im exhausted from this and arguing..ill take the 300 shut up and pay the rest for the header..im callin richard now to order..illput it on and bring to dyno and give everyone a update on the progress
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this post is dead..he gave me 300 towards the 650....im done with this....if no one has anything else to say or bash me for then i will delete post..ill give u all time to read and make ur comments
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Please do not delete it just ask that it be locked, let this stand as a lesson to others about buying before seeing..
Glad you guys came to "terms"
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sounds like a fair deal to me :thumb:
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So if it makes more then 251 next time on a dyno does terry get any of his money back?? he only sold it as a 251 horse bike after all..
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:woot: Glad it's all worked out :thumb:
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if it makes more the 251 first pull..absolutely i ll send him a few bucks back...lol
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since you parting it out how much for the plastic?
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since you parting it out how much for the plastic?
http://www.suzukihayabusa.org/forum/index.php?topic=117957.0
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Glad its sorta worked out :? :?
I saw this bike and was really considering a Turbo bike, glad I decided to go new in 08! (However, it won't do anywhere near 250 with "light mods".)
Just my .02 but I'm glad this stuff is on here to keep people honest. Anyone would be upset with the situation (both sides). I hope the header fixes the problem, best of luck...
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i hope header does too..