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MEMBERS => MEMBER PROJECTS => Topic started by: TurboGen2 on September 26, 2009, 10:56:11 AM
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Well i figured i would start the build page for my 08 Turbo Busa. All stock form made 176hp and 102lb/ft. After a stage I kit made 250hp and 126lb/ft on a 5psi spring which supposedly only boosts at 4.3psi. Kit was a homemade kit, RCC header, RCC FMU, i made the exhaust dumps, up pipe & plenum, with a Garrett T3/To4e 60trim Turbo, Tial MVS wastegate & 50mm bov, Walbro 255 fuel pump & stock injectors. I got bored with the power and looking to upgrade to more boost! :lol: Here are some pics of what has commenced already.
A pic of the Busa with stage I turbo kit.
(http://i564.photobucket.com/albums/ss86/egarms/busafinished.jpg)
A pic of the Busa stripped and ready for motor to be dropped.
(http://i564.photobucket.com/albums/ss86/egarms/busastripped.jpg)
A pic of the motor dropped out and ready for work to be done.
(http://i564.photobucket.com/albums/ss86/egarms/busamotorpulled.jpg)
Plans are for me to lower compression with the typical .080" base spacer, head studs n nuts, main studs, APE manual cam chain tensioner, APE adjustable cam gears, APE 65lb valves springs, Gen1 SS valves, Cometic gaskets both head and lower end kit and lightened and balanced crank with counter weight removed. Thanks again Greg (smithabusa) for the motor parts. I got a good deal on the everything. I got the gen1 valves from an 04 locally and the APE tensioner from APE.
Things that are to be installed:
CycleTek airshifter with ECU Kill
Smithabusa 2 Step with autoshift function
Aquamist 2d Water injection
Gen2 ECU Boost solenoid control with boost by gear selection in EE2 using the ABC button for different stage boost setups.
Mode C with 6psi for all gears
Mode B with 6psi in 1st, 9psi in 2nd and 11psi for 3rd-6th
Mode A with MSO map switched for C16 drag map at 8psi in 1st, 11 in 2nd and hopefully ~14psi for 3rd-6th
Electric Boost and Fuel PSI gauges with Tiger Racing 3 gauge holder and my XD-16 being the 3rd gauge
Remount DL-32, SSI, FIAA o2 injector controller, ECU and RCC water injection tank, o2 tank for airshifter
Im getting my MTC extended clutch cover machined for oring and accessable cover
A new paint job which is probably going to be all black
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Looks like you're on the right track man! Good looking work area too! :thumb:
Have you thought about upgrading your rods too?
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Looks like you're on the right track man! Good looking work area too! :thumb:
Have you thought about upgrading your rods too?
Thanks on the working area. I have thought about swaping out the rods but i am also trying to buy a house so the fundage isnt there for everything i want to do it. If i can sell both my Ti valves and PC3 then I would be able to get rods. Then i would also get a set of pistons to finish the build. If thats possible and anybody that has a gen1 that is doing an 08 crank conversion could buy my stock rods n pistons for i would say $350. I am also going to powdercoat the rear sets black to match the black paintjob when finished.
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That's cool. I with ya on the low fundage builds. I was wanting to do rods and pistons on mine too but had to put it off...
PCing the rear sets would look good. :thumb:
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I had already decided that i was going to lower the compression with spacer and studs no matter what. I just couldnt find myself doing a complete build and buying a house. So on the street 300hp and track 330-340hp will have to suffice til next winter. Hopefully if a get a house by Nov 30th then i can get Obama's 8g's! (Only thing he has done good since he's been in office i might add.) That would make it possible to get rods n pistons so here's hopin!
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Looking good. :thumb:
I'd put the money you have allocated for the crank work and the new paint job and put it towards rods instead. Bike looks great as it as far as paint, and the crank work probably won't do much for your application.
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I could set the money aside for rods instead of crank work yes. But as for the paint job when i had the upper fairing and +6 tail fairing painted there was more blue in the paint and it doesnt quite match. I was going to go ahead and paint everything black so its nice, clean and tasteful. Besides with what im doing to it i will need to blend in with other bikes as to not let the popo's know who i am whenever I go for a late night interstate cruise! 8)
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LET ME H E L P YOU OUT!!! :wink:
I have a Brand NEW Set of Gen II JE Turbo Pistons sitting here - and a GEN 1 .080 Spacer (should Fit).
All I want is a 8" over Catalyst Tail with Tail Light Bracket... and they are yours! :thumb:
I have Head Studs too... :D
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LET ME H E L P YOU OUT!!! :wink:
I have a Brand NEW Set of Gen II JE Turbo Pistons sitting here - and a GEN 1 .080 Spacer (should Fit).
All I want is a 8" over Catalyst Tail with Tail Light Bracket... and they are yours! :thumb:
I have Head Studs too... :D
:thumb: :thumb:
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LET ME H E L P YOU OUT!!! :wink:
I have a Brand NEW Set of Gen II JE Turbo Pistons sitting here - and a GEN 1 .080 Spacer (should Fit).
All I want is a 8" over Catalyst Tail with Tail Light Bracket... and they are yours! :thumb:
I have Head Studs too... :D
How much for the genII turbo pistons? I already have a spacer and studs. But thanks though. My tail is a 6 over catalyst. When i called catalyst they didnt have a street 8 over tail. Unless they barely came out with it? That and im not really selling my tail. Just getting it repainted.
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Not a Street Tail - Solo Seat = No Hump... :wink:
$400 TYD for the Pistons...
Need any Bling? Free.... 8)
I have Custom Chrome Plated Reservoir (Clutch & Brake) Covers = TurboBusa
They're just collecting Dust.
I'm gonna put some stuff up for sale shortly...
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Not a Street Tail - Solo Seat = No Hump... :wink:
$400 TYD for the Pistons...
Need any Bling? Free.... 8)
I have Custom Chrome Plated Reservoir (Clutch & Brake) Covers = TurboBusa
They're just collecting Dust.
I'm gonna put some stuff up for sale shortly...
I will take the pistons. i just need to get a little more money and i wont take out of my house fund. give me a week and see what i can do. not really too big on the bling. i like the stock cuz there black. but thanks for asking.
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Not a Street Tail - Solo Seat = No Hump... :wink:
$400 TYD for the Pistons...
Need any Bling? Free.... 8)
I have Custom Chrome Plated Reservoir (Clutch & Brake) Covers = TurboBusa
They're just collecting Dust.
I'm gonna put some stuff up for sale shortly...
I will take the pistons. i just need to get a little more money and i wont take out of my house fund. give me a week and see what i can do. not really too big on the bling. i like the stock cuz there black. but thanks for asking.
They are Yours - Just let me know when your ready. :wink:
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Not a Street Tail - Solo Seat = No Hump... :wink:
$400 TYD for the Pistons...
Need any Bling? Free.... 8)
I have Custom Chrome Plated Reservoir (Clutch & Brake) Covers = TurboBusa
They're just collecting Dust.
I'm gonna put some stuff up for sale shortly...
I will take the pistons. i just need to get a little more money and i wont take out of my house fund. give me a week and see what i can do. not really too big on the bling. i like the stock cuz there black. but thanks for asking.
They are Yours - Just let me know when your ready. :wink:
Very kewl! Thanks a bunch Jerry
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Hey Jerry, Do you still have the head studs? Are the promod studs or the 1/2 studs? Ill take the bling too. Let me know.
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I had some time to take apart motor. Here's some new pics of the progress!
(http://i564.photobucket.com/albums/ss86/egarms/busamotor.jpg)
(http://i564.photobucket.com/albums/ss86/egarms/busacamsout.jpg)
(http://i564.photobucket.com/albums/ss86/egarms/busaheadoff.jpg)
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(http://i564.photobucket.com/albums/ss86/egarms/busamotorapart.jpg)
Stock Ti valves swapped for gen1 ss valves, 65lb APE valve springs, APE head and main studs, APE adjustable cam gears and .080 spacer being installed. Will get pics up as i get stuff done. Hope you guys like.
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Def save the crank money for rods if you plan on turning it up.
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In the process of buying a house. Rods n pistons are going to have to wait til this next winter time for the winter 2010 project. Im gonna have to deal with 300hp for this summer. looking at also upgrading to a gt35r as well when the rods n pistons get installed. good thing i have all summer long to save!
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Lookin' good. You're up here in the thin CO air, right? What sort of 1/4 times did you run with the 250whp? Also, was the 250whp SAe/corrected numbers, or uncorrected? I'm approaching the major part ordering-fest to build my gen 1 turbo setup and I wanted to see what sort of times similar guys are running up here
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Yep up here in Denver! high 9's was my best i think a 9.70 something if my memory serves me correct. i was still getting used to the bike and our track up here closed in october! opens back up in april and hopefully i will be done with my upgrades and tuned ready to go. on the same dyno stock it ran 172hp and after turbo it was 250hp. dont know what correction factor the shop used for their dyno. i have the dyno sheet still somewhere laying around that i could put a pic of on here if you want. it has both stock dyno run and turbo dyno run as well.
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Yep up here in Denver! high 9's was my best i think a 9.70 something if my memory serves me correct. i was still getting used to the bike and our track up here closed in october! opens back up in april and hopefully i will be done with my upgrades and tuned ready to go. on the same dyno stock it ran 172hp and after turbo it was 250hp. dont know what correction factor the shop used for their dyno. i have the dyno sheet still somewhere laying around that i could put a pic of on here if you want. it has both stock dyno run and turbo dyno run as well.
I'm in Colorado Springs myself, I used to race my car at Bandimere all the time! If you have the dyno sheet, that would be awesome if you could post it. Do you remember your best trapspeed? What turbo are you running?
I've got a gen 1, and I got it down to 10.5@135 with a 1.73 60' at the dragstrip in Pueblo, still haven't made it to Bandi on the busa yet. I'm going "stage 1" soon, but with a final goal of an 8.99999999. Damn our altitude LOL
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my 60 was horrible around the same as you. my best speed was 150. Im using a t3 super 60 garrett turbo. where you getting yours tuned at? dont go to faster whatever you do. bart will NOT tune your bike right. he tuned mine for 13.5afr on boost! as soon as i got home i immediately richened her up. then i switched to ecu flash by smithabusa. helped get the ball rolling and tested the gm 3bar map sensor for boost fuel control on the gen2's. tried getting the solenoid boost control up n going but still working on motor. greg is hopefully going to be testing that here pretty soon. im going to be taking mine to colorado powersports up in boulder. they are the only one that will even try to tune my bike for ecu flash. there are no good turbo tuners here in the immediate Denver area. thinking about buying a dyno and start a side business out of my new 720 sq/ft garage. cant wait for bandi to open back up in april. i myself will be gunning for the 8's and would be sweet if i could get to the low 8's by the end of summer. yep im wishing we had the warmer weather of az here right now. colder than shit the past 2 weeks. altitude definately sucks up here!
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my 60 was horrible around the same as you. my best speed was 150. Im using a t3 super 60 garrett turbo. where you getting yours tuned at? dont go to faster whatever you do. bart will NOT tune your bike right. he tuned mine for 13.5afr on boost! as soon as i got home i immediately richened her up. then i switched to ecu flash by smithabusa. helped get the ball rolling and tested the gm 3bar map sensor for boost fuel control on the gen2's. tried getting the solenoid boost control up n going but still working on motor. greg is hopefully going to be testing that here pretty soon. im going to be taking mine to colorado powersports up in boulder. they are the only one that will even try to tune my bike for ecu flash. there are no good turbo tuners here in the immediate Denver area. thinking about buying a dyno and start a side business out of my new 720 sq/ft garage. cant wait for bandi to open back up in april. i myself will be gunning for the 8's and would be sweet if i could get to the low 8's by the end of summer. yep im wishing we had the warmer weather of az here right now. colder than shit the past 2 weeks. altitude definately sucks up here!
150mph is not bad.... man its tough hearing about all these guys running 9's n/a at sea level stock and we have to user a poweradder to get there LOL. 13.5 afr, EEK, glad you didn't melt it.
I am tuning it myself, I do tons of tuning on cars (mostly standalone stuff) and I'm just getting into bikes. I've done the ECU Editor stuff, but the gen1 doesn't have the boost compensation. I'm going standalone on it, mainly because I have a spare one from my old race car. I've got unlimited dyno access on a load bearing dyno so I figure, why not :)
If I wasn't tuning it myself, I would have Tracey at Jackel Motorsports here in Colorado Springs tune it. He does everything on my bike that I don't want to do myself haha
8.9's sounds like such a modest goal, but with this altitude.... I really don't want to build the motor to do it. My racecar started off as fun and turned into a PITA, I don't want the bike to do the same thing :evil:
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Good luck on your build. Maybe we can meet up at Bandi some time and have a couple races. Not too many big time turbo bikes up here in the Denver area. What about down in Co Springs? I will just have a good base tune done for mine at Co powersports. Once greg gets his dynoed im going to try his ecu map and try to fine tune it with my dl-32, lc-1 and xd-16. might not have to go to powersports at all. so are you staying with the stock motor or spacing it and more boost?
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Good luck on your build. Maybe we can meet up at Bandi some time and have a couple races. Not too many big time turbo bikes up here in the Denver area. What about down in Co Springs? I will just have a good base tune done for mine at Co powersports. Once greg gets his dynoed im going to try his ecu map and try to fine tune it with my dl-32, lc-1 and xd-16. might not have to go to powersports at all. so are you staying with the stock motor or spacing it and more boost?
I would definitely like to meet up at bandi, I would love to take any pointers you have to offer.
Well, I was hoping to keep from tearing into the motor at all. Perhaps that's not feasible, but I am definitely going to keep the motor at stock compression for now. I intend to do e85, which will help tremendously!
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I would install a spacer for sure. Install s2000 injectors and be good for 300hp. It will take u 2 weeks and u will be wanting more boost.
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I was looknig into s2000 injectors today, I just don't know if they'll support much power on e85 (30% more fuel for the same boost level). I was looking at the mps 62lb ones or the new injector dynamics 725cc ones (awesome flow pattern and saturated too). Not sure if they drop in though
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Id go for the 62lb injectors then. mps ive heard does pretty good, just need to reflash the stock ecu for the bigger injectors being used. makes tuning way easier.
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We'll Im back from vacation. 2 weeks off of work and lovin it, 1 week in Key West and another week in Phoenix. Key west average was 78-82 degrees and phx about 60-65 degrees. Now Denver, below freezing and snowy! I had some extra time to work on the bike. Decided to go with gen1 valve springs and the genII Ti valves. Barry in a previous topic stated 300hp is fine for both the stock rods and stock Ti valves. The pressure difference between the stock gen1 at 43lbs and the genII is 26 so 17lbs extra seating pressure. Im only going to be running however many psi of boost to make that 300hp mark. I took a pic of what the different valve springs look like. For those who havent seen them, on the left is the gen1 spring with 2 springs, an outer and an inner. On the right the genII just 1 spring. This should give me just a little piece of mind for the making sure the valves dont float at higher boost levels and rpm.
(http://i564.photobucket.com/albums/ss86/egarms/valvesprings.jpg)
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ahh yes, i was looking at this page earlier but wasn't paying attention to whos thread it was. Where do you get and how much are the gen1 springs? Is that the only thing that needs to be replaced, ie, not the valves or retainers? Your project does look good so far, updated pics?
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Well i havent posted anything up for a while so I guess i better get to it. So far i have stripped the busa down for a full build! Everything is going be getting powdercoated gloss black if possible.
(http://i564.photobucket.com/albums/ss86/egarms/busaapart5.jpg)
(http://i564.photobucket.com/albums/ss86/egarms/busaapart1.jpg)
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Im going to be powdercoating gloss black the frame, swingarm after i make a few cuts and modifications to it :D, internally lower the front forks 2" and powdercoat the remaining parts gloss black and '05 gsxr1000 rims are a few to start! I will post up pics when i get new ones taken and in my spare time when not working a crapload!
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You got a pic of thr turbo, and did you ever get your plenum??
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i dont have a pic of the turbo or the plenum yet. im ordering the new turbo after the first of the year. once i get it i will post up a pic. im going to be purchasing a t3/to4e 60trim turbo with .82 a/r exhaust turbine dbb garrett turbo. it should get me to about the 500hp level!
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That will be badass. Looks like I'm slightly ahead of you in this build. Where do you live?
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Mile High Denver! For out here in Denver this hopefully 500hp busa will be one of the higher powered bikes around. there is only a couple of people have that high of hp. So figured im going to get into racing more seriously this next summer. First of the year also starts a diet and hopefully lose 30lbs if not more by then too! My ultimate goal is to do 200mph here at Bandimere in morrison which i think is a lil higher like 5600ft in elevation.
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Oh ok. I live in the wash, dc area where its ruled by chrome, nos and swingarms. I don't even know of any turbo bikes. I think there are several, not anywhere near 500 that I'm shooting for. I've never had more then 230hp so I'm kind of nervous. I already have next year goals and another build haha!!
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Another busa?
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No, this one. Maybe gt40 or bigger, bigger inj and e85.
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GTX35R! They claim 750hp! Totally redesigned. here in a year or 2 i plan on having one!
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cool build, and nice building! :thumb:
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GTX35R! They claim 750hp! Totally redesigned. here in a year or 2 i plan on having one!
And then you'll see the price and :puke:
Looks like retail will be quite a bit over $2ki
There soon will be other options available. If you are not looking at any rules, the GT3586 billet wheel compressor will work well, the inlet is not Prostreet (Mirock) legal though
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GTX35R! They claim 750hp! Totally redesigned. here in a year or 2 i plan on having one!
And then you'll see the price and :puke:
Looks like retail will be quite a bit over $2ki
There soon will be other options available. If you are not looking at any rules, the GT3586 billet wheel compressor will work well, the inlet is not Prostreet (Mirock) legal though
Yeah the price is way high! But still one hell of a turbo!
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There are a few big horsepower bikes in the DC area. Not too many of them are streetable.
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Thats why they make boost controllers right?
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a boost controller is my best friend
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GTX35R! They claim 750hp! Totally redesigned. here in a year or 2 i plan on having one!
And then you'll see the price and :puke:
Looks like retail will be quite a bit over $2ki
There soon will be other options available. If you are not looking at any rules, the GT3586 billet wheel compressor will work well, the inlet is not Prostreet (Mirock) legal though
Yeah the price is way high! But still one hell of a turbo!
Well, maybe the price won't be so bad....
http://www.turblown.net/store/index.php?productID=218
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Just received my RCC fuel rail with 85lb secondary injectors. will take pics when i get home. tkaing a half day just to go home and work on the busa! Thanks again Richard for another superior product!
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Ok heres the new fuel rail and injectors and i didnt take a picture of it but i have bosch 044 fuel pump
(http://i564.photobucket.com/albums/ss86/egarms/rccfuelrailwithinjectors.jpg)
05 gsxr1000 rims
(http://i564.photobucket.com/albums/ss86/egarms/gsxr1000rims.jpg)
Falicon Knife rods, they are for a gen1 so i have to get a set of gen1 turbo pistons
(http://i564.photobucket.com/albums/ss86/egarms/faliconrods.jpg)
And lastly my bike all taken apart!
(http://i564.photobucket.com/albums/ss86/egarms/alltakinapart.jpg)
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Can you even run the 1k rims one a Gen2? I remember hearing awhile back that it wasnt possible for some reason.
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Well we will have to see. i am waiting on the spacers and im trying out a different brake bracket. i may have to swap over to a gsxr rear caliper and then just spacers like usual.
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I know I've asked you this before but have you got your plenum yet?
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If the gixxer rear disc is the same as the gen2, then I'd say that be the way to go. But then again, it might be the left to right spacing, instead up the up and down spacing, that might by why you don't see gen 2's running around with 1k wheels. But anything is possible. :D take one for the gen2 team! :hys: :thumb:
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I know I've asked you this before but have you got your plenum yet?
Not yet! I will when i get it!
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If the gixxer rear disc is the same as the gen2, then I'd say that be the way to go. But then again, it might be the left to right spacing, instead up the up and down spacing, that might by why you don't see gen 2's running around with 1k wheels. But anything is possible. :D take one for the gen2 team! :hys: :thumb:
Oh yeah i will let you how they fit and what all i have to do. first i have to start hacking on my swingarm now that its all apart. once im done hacking and welding on swingarm then i will start to fit the wheels on! :thumb:
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You ordered one from Dennis?
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Lookin' good! What compression are you going to run?
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Im thinking somewhere from 8.7 to 9.0 to 1.
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Im thinking somewhere from 8.7 to 9.0 to 1.
You're going to run e85? If so, take advantage of it and bump up the compression, especially since you're going intercooled! I wish there was an easy way to go 10:1 with shelf parts. Even 11:1 if intercooled.
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What's the latest? Any more progress?
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What's the latest? Any more progress?
Yeah it has been awhile... That damn girlfriend is holding you back again! :hys: :wink:
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Well here is an update of what all im doing now! Got the frame and swingarm powder coated gloss black!
(http://i564.photobucket.com/albums/ss86/egarms/frame.jpg)
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Went to RCC fuel rail and 85lb injectors with 2 pumps. a walbro and an 044! Im shooting to break the 500hp mark with e85! So i upgraded the turbo to the .82 t3t4e 60 trim bb turbo as to still fit the header. A/W plenum, carillo rods, woessner pistons, crank lightened and balanced by APE, ss valves, 65lb valve springs, main studs n head studs, hd shift shafts, gen1 shift forks and eventually a slider clutch!
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Look what i got in the mail today! :twisted:
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Looks familiar. I know your excited.
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Looks familiar. I know your excited.
Yep I'm now just waiting for crank to get lightened and balanced by APE!
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Oh and air to water plenum and water pump and heat exchanger!
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Awesome. I didn't get them balanced crank tho. May I ask why two fuel pumps?
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Awesome. I didn't get them balanced crank tho. May I ask why two fuel pumps?
"Im shooting to break the 500hp mark with e85"
it sill need alot of fuel flow to do that. Can be done with 2 pumps, but I assume it is an in tank walbro feeding the 044 for space reasons.
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Yep because rob Kelly only made 450 with an aerotive big pump! I already had both pumps before starting to shoot for e85. I was using the walbro for up to about 9psi. Then found a good deal for a genuine Bosch 044 for when I was going to only for 500hp with just race gas and didn't need the fuel as much. Thus I'm going to use them both in conjunction by a hobbs switch at 10psi+ to make sure I'm getting as much fuel flow as I can! According to my math it might get to maybe 650hp while using e85 and that's not if my 1130cc's of injectors per cylinder runs out first! That's why I'm building the crap out of the fuel system!
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I gtocha.
John, I'll be lookin for ya on Fri night.
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Looking forward to more updates...where is the A/W plenum? ;)
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Looking forward to more updates...where is the A/W plenum? ;)
Powdercoater!
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What's the advantage of the ECU EDITOR over a microtech besides being cheap?
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I believe you have more tuning capabilities and can control more things via the ecu like raising the rev limiter and removing the speed restriction, just to name a few.
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What's the advantage of the ECU EDITOR over a microtech besides being cheap?
It is certainly less cost, but also, less on the bike (injectors, fuel rail, extra fuel lines, secondary computer, etc). If you are building from scratch, it is likely the way to go. If you already have a working secondary setup, probably not going to see any differences to go to internal.
Current downside is the limit on boost being that of a 3 bar sensor. The groundwork for a 5 bar sensor option is on place, just not implemented into the code. Also, tuning can be a long process as it is not able to be done without powering down and re-flashing, rather than reflashing on the fly.
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What's the advantage of the ECU EDITOR over a microtech besides being cheap?
It is certainly less cost, but also, less on the bike (injectors, fuel rail, extra fuel lines, secondary computer, etc). If you are building from scratch, it is likely the way to go. If you already have a working secondary setup, probably not going to see any differences to go to internal.
Current downside is the limit on boost being that of a 3 bar sensor. The groundwork for a 5 bar sensor option is on place, just not implemented into the code. Also, tuning can be a long process as it is not able to be done without powering down and re-flashing, rather than reflashing on the fly.
good explanation, I'm also guessing it is most beneficial on a GEN 2 due to having the 8 injector ect.? I don't understand how all the ECU internals work but I'm assumming they work as reliable flashed as they come from the factory. Def an incentive to turbo a GEN 2. I like both the GEN 1 and GEN 2 equally so it wouldn't matter to me but I do like the fact of having less stuff on the bike