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Title: ecueditor.com for K7- gixxers
Post by: PetriK on December 31, 2010, 11:55:59 AM
Happy 2011 new year for everyone ...

First trials with gixxer ecu proved to be somewhat succesful... for more info please see below...

Fuelmap tuning... including MS0/MS1 maps for e.g. nitrous use
(http://macmadigan.no-ip.com/public/gixxer/K7_fuelmap.jpg)

Setting Limiters, removing top speed limiter
(http://macmadigan.no-ip.com/public/gixxer/K7_limiters.jpg)

Ignition map tuning, different MS0/MS1 maps for e.g. nitrous or race fuel
(http://macmadigan.no-ip.com/public/gixxer/K7_ignitionmap.jpg)

Edit - Lets add that also enginedata is working with gixxers showing all error codes from memory or run time as well as ability to monitor all key sensors when dynoing the bike.
(http://macmadigan.no-ip.com/public/gixxer/K7_enginedata.jpg)

Install as for Hayabusa from http://www.ecueditor.com (http://www.ecueditor.com)
(http://macmadigan.no-ip.com/public/gixxer/K7_download.jpg)
Title: Re: ecueditor.com for K7- gixxers
Post by: PetriK on January 01, 2011, 11:13:58 AM
For those who are interested, the DIY interface is same as busa - here is the wiring diagram.

http://www.ecueditor.com/interface.jpg (http://www.ecueditor.com/interface.jpg)

And here is the link on tuning forum where this is discussed more in detail.

http://www.suzukihayabusa.org/forum/index.php?topic=140589.0 (http://www.suzukihayabusa.org/forum/index.php?topic=140589.0)
Title: Re: ecueditor.com for K7- gixxers
Post by: smithabusa on January 01, 2011, 12:33:08 PM
Petrik  you never cease to amaze us  :tu:
Title: Re: ecueditor.com for K7- gixxers
Post by: smithabusa on January 01, 2011, 12:39:41 PM
I would like to offer a FREE ECU flasher setup for K7-K8 GSXR1000 for someone who could quickly start testing it, provide photos of install, and provide feedback etc.  I would ask for a deposit which I would refund once some photos, feedback etc came back.  Let me know if interested, need to have understanding of tuning, computers, and wiring, but should be fairly easy.  Please don't respond if it wouldn't be touched for several weeks due to bike being apart, etc that type of thing.

Greg
Title: Re: ecueditor.com for K7- gixxers
Post by: murderedout07 on January 02, 2011, 01:50:11 AM
Very cool! Is this going to be able to do boost fueling like the gen2 busas, since they have a second row of injectors?
Title: Re: ecueditor.com for K7- gixxers
Post by: PetriK on January 02, 2011, 02:50:01 AM
Very cool! Is this going to be able to do boost fueling like the gen2 busas, since they have a second row of injectors?

Boosfuel module is in the plans, .i.e. requested by some locals. That is why I am doing this. Anyway it may take some time before boostfuel is out there.

First step is to confirm that everything we today have works.
Title: Re: ecueditor.com for K7- gixxers
Post by: FastazzR1 on January 02, 2011, 04:22:42 AM
can i upgrade my 05-06 1000 ecu to the 07-08 1000 ecu?
Title: Re: ecueditor.com for K7- gixxers
Post by: PetriK on January 02, 2011, 04:30:54 AM
can i upgrade my 05-06 1000 ecu to the 07-08 1000 ecu?

Connectors are somewhat different - anyhow believe or not but K8 or newer busa / bking ecu is almost a direct plugin to K5-K6 gixxer. No one has just not tested that.
Title: Re: ecueditor.com for K7- gixxers
Post by: atticdog on January 02, 2011, 07:22:04 AM
awesome! will this also work on a 600?
Title: Re: ecueditor.com for K7- gixxers
Post by: Mike-Nightrider on January 02, 2011, 09:06:20 AM
Great job PetriK  :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
Title: Re: ecueditor.com for K7- gixxers
Post by: Birdman on January 02, 2011, 03:38:18 PM
Would be great to be able to disable ISC valve, many K7's have had problems here.
Title: Re: ecueditor.com for K7- gixxers
Post by: gsx-rboy750 on January 02, 2011, 07:32:44 PM
can i upgrade my 05-06 1000 ecu to the 07-08 1000 ecu?

Connectors are somewhat different - anyhow believe or not but K8 or newer busa / bking ecu is almost a direct plugin to K5-K6 gixxer. No one has just not tested that.


Petrik I know the 06 750 Might be different but the wiring is essentally the same, how far away is the software  away from use on my gixxer. I know the defs might differ. I have read alot of your posts on this and the hacking site.
Title: Re: ecueditor.com for K7- gixxers
Post by: gsx-rboy750 on January 02, 2011, 07:35:57 PM
I would like to offer a FREE ECU flasher setup for K7-K8 GSXR1000 for someone who could quickly start testing it, provide photos of install, and provide feedback etc.  I would ask for a deposit which I would refund once some photos, feedback etc came back.  Let me know if interested, need to have understanding of tuning, computers, and wiring, but should be fairly easy.  Please don't respond if it wouldn't be touched for several weeks due to bike being apart, etc that type of thing.

Greg


what about on a 06-07 750 once it gets figured publicly?
Title: Re: ecueditor.com for K7- gixxers
Post by: Shamrock on January 02, 2011, 08:32:58 PM
 :bike: Nick I have a Bike  Let me know  :wink: it make 180 hp on ryans dyno with a bazzaz box
Title: Re: ecueditor.com for K7- gixxers
Post by: gixxted on January 03, 2011, 04:09:29 PM
Hi, was following this on the other site ,before it was removed,
i have a boost by smith flasher for gen 1 busa, can this be converted to be used with the k7 1000 ?
again great work petrick !
thanks in advance.
Title: Re: ecueditor.com for K7- gixxers
Post by: sportbikeryder on January 03, 2011, 04:23:05 PM
Hi, was following this on the other site ,before it was removed,
i have a boost by smith flasher for gen 1 busa, can this be converted to be used with the k7 1000 ?
again great work petrick !
thanks in advance.

What site was it removed from?

Yes, you should be able to re-pin the flasher.
Title: Re: ecueditor.com for K7- gixxers
Post by: smithabusa on January 03, 2011, 04:33:58 PM
you will need a gen 2 busa flasher, and nothing has to be changed except the 2 ecu pin locations on the 1000 harness are different.

it was on gixxer.com and got removed, i signed up as a vendor there today, need to get some info posted
Title: Re: ecueditor.com for K7- gixxers
Post by: gixxted on January 03, 2011, 04:39:02 PM
Ok ,thanks for reply, will go an order the gen 2 flasher now.
 :)
Title: Re: ecueditor.com for K7- gixxers
Post by: smithabusa on January 03, 2011, 04:42:02 PM
no one has actually flashed on with it yet, looking for a user who could provide quick feedback and i will refund the purchase price :) 
Title: Re: ecueditor.com for K7- gixxers
Post by: gixxted on January 03, 2011, 04:48:24 PM
i have just ordered & paid with paypal, i am in australia, as soon as i get it ,will try it out.
looking to lift rpm limits to start with, then if ignition maps per gear is available, would like to test that.
Title: Re: ecueditor.com for K7- gixxers
Post by: smithabusa on January 03, 2011, 06:15:20 PM
:bike: Nick I have a Bike  Let me know  :wink: it make 180 hp on ryans dyno with a bazzaz box

Rob, let me know if you would like to try flashing on the 1000, ill see if i can set something up with Ryan on dyno costs etc for me to cover.
Greg
Title: Re: ecueditor.com for K7- gixxers
Post by: Shamrock on January 05, 2011, 08:50:05 PM
:bike: Nick I have a Bike  Let me know  :wink: it make 180 hp on ryans dyno with a bazzaz box

Rob, let me know if you would like to try flashing on the 1000, ill see if i can set something up with Ryan on dyno costs etc for me to cover.
Greg

LMAO I called you Nick WTF was i thinking?
Title: Re: ecueditor.com for K7- gixxers
Post by: smithabusa on January 08, 2011, 09:26:19 AM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v191/gsmith1979/gsxr1000benchflashinginterface.jpg)
Title: Re: ecueditor.com for K7- gixxers
Post by: atticdog on January 08, 2011, 10:49:37 AM
greg will this also work on an 08 gsxr 600?
Title: Re: ecueditor.com for K7- gixxers
Post by: smithabusa on January 08, 2011, 11:10:17 AM
no its for 07-08 gsxr1000
Title: Re: ecueditor.com for K7- gixxers
Post by: atticdog on January 08, 2011, 11:31:04 AM
ok thanks
Title: Re: ecueditor.com for K7- gixxers
Post by: PetriK on January 12, 2011, 01:25:44 PM
Some small progress today:

Heard that gen2 busa firmware can be flashed to gixxer K7 ecu and engine runs without errorcodes. This is quite interesting as it means that boostfuel, nitrouscontrol and everything else should work now from day one. Someone should really test this in a drag racing bike.

It looks that gixxer is designed to run MS1 as stock configuration and that MS0 is reserved for restricted gixxer models. Added an advanced settings feature to set MS0/MS1 map switching that is using pin 66 in gixxer ecu to enable dual fuel mapping for gixxers. Also made STP mapping available for gixxers. So getting some tuneability for this smaller suzuki too...
Title: Re: ecueditor.com for K7- gixxers
Post by: sportbikeryder on January 12, 2011, 03:00:18 PM
Some small progress today:

Heard that gen2 busa firmware can be flashed to gixxer K7 ecu and engine runs without errorcodes. This is quite interesting as it means that boostfuel, nitrouscontrol and everything else should work now from day one. Someone should really test this in a drag racing bike.

It looks that gixxer is designed to run MS1 as stock configuration and that MS0 is reserved for restricted gixxer models. Added an advanced settings feature to set MS0/MS1 map switching that is using pin 66 in gixxer ecu to enable dual fuel mapping for gixxers. Also made STP mapping available for gixxers. So getting some tuneability for this smaller suzuki too...

Hmmmm....this may really open up the world of ECU conversions onto different platforms  8) :lol: :tu: :bike:

Also may open up flashing for other GSXR models (750, 600, etc)
Title: Re: ecueditor.com for K7- gixxers
Post by: PetriK on January 17, 2011, 12:33:06 PM
FAQ: STP operation and engine brakingtuning

http://www.gixxer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4949717&postcount=137 (http://www.gixxer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4949717&postcount=137)
Title: Re: ecueditor.com for K7- gixxers
Post by: street missile on January 22, 2011, 08:45:50 AM
Dear All,

I'm following this thread with great interest. I have also read from it on the gixxer forum. I have a question to Petrik or Smithabusa.
If i were to order the very expensive programmer cable, is it possible for me to see and change the program, and not only the stored data maps?
preferably in c, but assembly will do too. I don't like to use the fancy user interfaces.

thanks already for the great work,

Street missile.
Title: Re: ecueditor.com for K7- gixxers
Post by: smithabusa on January 22, 2011, 08:48:18 AM
there is access to the source code for free, you don't even have to buy the incredibly expensive cable that I build, test before shipping, and tech support after the sale.  You can build a cable for yourself cheaper as well if you are wiring inclined.

Greg
Title: Re: ecueditor.com for K7- gixxers
Post by: Birdman on January 22, 2011, 09:08:03 AM
would really like the ability to turn off ISC valve as does the GENII editor. Would like to be able to increase rpm without causing trouble code. Does anyone know how toincrease idle rpm.
Title: Re: ecueditor.com for K7- gixxers
Post by: PetriK on January 22, 2011, 12:52:38 PM
Dear All,

I'm following this thread with great interest. I have also read from it on the gixxer forum. I have a question to Petrik or Smithabusa.
If i were to order the very expensive programmer cable, is it possible for me to see and change the program, and not only the stored data maps?
preferably in c, but assembly will do too. I don't like to use the fancy user interfaces.

thanks already for the great work,

Street missile.



Of course, this is open source freeware... source is in bitbucket (every new programmer is welcome), and if you really feel d.i.y. this is the starting point:




(http://macmadigan.no-ip.com/public/gen2/interface_old.jpg)

(http://macmadigan.no-ip.com/public/gen2/interface_new.jpg)

(http://macmadigan.no-ip.com/public/gen2/interface_boerd.jpg)

Title: Re: ecueditor.com for K7- gixxers
Post by: PetriK on January 22, 2011, 03:22:00 PM
would really like the ability to turn off ISC valve as does the GENII editor. Would like to be able to increase rpm without causing trouble code. Does anyone know how toincrease idle rpm.


OK, so whats next then....


(http://macmadigan.no-ip.com/public/gixxer/K7_ics.JPG)
Title: Re: ecueditor.com for K7- gixxers
Post by: street missile on January 23, 2011, 04:04:37 AM
Thanks for the reply,

I decided to order the interface since d.i.y is quite prone to error and i don't want to fry my mcu.
I can't even find the pin numbers and I don't have the connectors on my shelf either.
Hope that i can be of some help.

best regards,

Street Missile
Title: Re: ecueditor.com for K7- gixxers
Post by: FastazzR1 on January 23, 2011, 11:27:15 AM
Can someone explain to me the difference's between the 05-06 1000 ecu and the 07-08 1000 ecu?

Also, It has been mentioned on PB that to use a gen2 ecu on the 05-06 1000 there is only 1 pin that need to be changed. Do u know what pin this is?
Title: Re: ecueditor.com for K7- gixxers
Post by: sportbikeryder on January 23, 2011, 11:55:06 AM
05-06 is totally different from an 07-08
Title: Re: ecueditor.com for K7- gixxers
Post by: PetriK on January 23, 2011, 12:41:29 PM
Can someone explain to me the difference's between the 05-06 1000 ecu and the 07-08 1000 ecu?

Also, It has been mentioned on PB that to use a gen2 ecu on the 05-06 1000 there is only 1 pin that need to be changed. Do u know what pin this is?

The Gixxer ecu 05-06 1000 pinout is like said very close to gen2 busa 08- ecu. The biggest difference is Camshaft sensor which needs a 3 wire sensor from a newer gixxer or from busa to replace the 05-06 2 wire camshaft sensor. I know that quite a few are now considering this swap, but have not yet heard of any succesfully completing this - so it all works in theory (and on my desktop) only. Internally those are very different.
Title: Re: ecueditor.com for K7- gixxers
Post by: Oz Booster on January 23, 2011, 03:02:48 PM
Can someone explain to me the difference's between the 05-06 1000 ecu and the 07-08 1000 ecu?

Also, It has been mentioned on PB that to use a gen2 ecu on the 05-06 1000 there is only 1 pin that need to be changed. Do u know what pin this is?

I know to program the 05-06 ecu with the 08 busa bench flash unit you need to change one pin location , orange wire in busa plug pin 30 is in pin 24 location on the gix.have not compared the rest of the pinouts.

i  am one considering the swap ,have an 07 gix ecu and loom and cam sensor on the way & hope to convert a couple of bikes to boost fuel eventually

the 07-08 gix ecu uses the same internals as the 08 busa, whereas the 05-06 gix is much closer to the gen 1
Title: Re: ecueditor.com for K7- gixxers
Post by: FastazzR1 on January 23, 2011, 03:51:10 PM
Can someone explain to me the difference's between the 05-06 1000 ecu and the 07-08 1000 ecu?

Also, It has been mentioned on PB that to use a gen2 ecu on the 05-06 1000 there is only 1 pin that need to be changed. Do u know what pin this is?

I know to program the 05-06 ecu with the 08 busa bench flash unit you need to change one pin location , orange wire in busa plug pin 30 is in pin 24 location on the gix.have not compared the rest of the pinouts.

i  am one considering the swap ,have an 07 gix ecu and loom and cam sensor on the way & hope to convert a couple of bikes to boost fuel eventually

the 07-08 gix ecu uses the same internals as the 08 busa, whereas the 05-06 gix is much closer to the gen 1

Now I'm confused, petrik says an 05-06 ecu is close to a gen2 ecu. Your sayin its close to a gen1. Which one is it? I've got a 05 1000 with a turbo, so I'm trying to find out which pin I need to change to be able to flash my 05 ecu with the gen2 software. Or would it make everything easier to just swap everything to the 07 ecu, harness and cam sensor?
Title: Re: ecueditor.com for K7- gixxers
Post by: smithabusa on January 23, 2011, 03:53:15 PM
the connector is similar thats about it, you can't use ecueditor software to flash 05/06's
Title: Re: ecueditor.com for K7- gixxers
Post by: smithabusa on January 23, 2011, 03:53:46 PM
converting to k7 g1000 is what you would want for ecueditor software to work
Title: Re: ecueditor.com for K7- gixxers
Post by: PetriK on January 23, 2011, 08:21:20 PM
converting to k7 g1000 is what you would want for ecueditor software to work

Not to my knowledge - Throwing away gixxer K5-K6 ecu and put in hayabusa gen2 ecu together with a new 3 wire style camshaft sensor is the easiest route for turbo fuelling - i know that many are thinking this conversion, but I have not yet seen it working exept on my desktop. But if you already have a new style harness then 07-08 gixxer ecu sounds reasonable route.

Converting to newer gixxer ecu you need new harness swapp to new gixxer harness. To my knowledge with gen2 busa ecu no major work for harness is needed, except this additional +5V wire from ecu to camshaft sensor.

Gixxer 05-06 ecu has very similar pinout to a gen2 busa ecuecu. Anyhow internally gixxer 05-06 ecu is like busa K2-K7.


Title: Re: ecueditor.com for K7- gixxers
Post by: smithabusa on January 23, 2011, 09:33:05 PM
sorry petrik wasn't thinking there, you are right of course  :thumb:
Title: Re: ecueditor.com for K7- gixxers
Post by: FastazzR1 on January 24, 2011, 12:14:15 AM
ok, so what your sayin is i can keep my k5-k6 wiring harness. change a couple of pinouts. add a three wire cam sensor. use a gen2 ecu and run an extra wire from the cam sensor to the ecu for the +5V wire. is that correct?
Title: Re: ecueditor.com for K7- gixxers
Post by: wildphil69 on January 24, 2011, 02:18:42 AM
Dear All,

I'm following this thread with great interest. I have also read from it on the gixxer forum. I have a question to Petrik or Smithabusa.
If i were to order the very expensive programmer cable, is it possible for me to see and change the program, and not only the stored data maps?
preferably in c, but assembly will do too. I don't like to use the fancy user interfaces.

thanks already for the great work,

Street missile.

Considering its half the price of a commander and is a million times better i dont see the problem here  :lol:
Title: Re: ecueditor.com for K7- gixxers
Post by: PetriK on January 24, 2011, 05:44:11 PM
ok, so what your sayin is i can keep my k5-k6 wiring harness. change a couple of pinouts. add a three wire cam sensor. use a gen2 ecu and run an extra wire from the cam sensor to the ecu for the +5V wire. is that correct?

Yes, in theory and on my desktop - but reality is to be tested by someone.
Title: Re: ecueditor.com for K7- gixxers
Post by: FastazzR1 on January 27, 2011, 11:03:48 AM
Can u tell me which pins I need to change around for the gen2 ecu to work on my 05 wiring harness?
Title: Re: ecueditor.com for K7- gixxers
Post by: PetriK on January 27, 2011, 12:08:08 PM
Can u tell me which pins I need to change around for the gen2 ecu to work on my 05 wiring harness?

unfortunately I am no gixxer expert. what i know you need to put one wire from +5v to the three wire cam sensor.

I have a K5 gixxer ecu on my desktop, and when i put that in busa harness it just ran without any problems.
Title: Re: ecueditor.com for K7- gixxers
Post by: Oz Booster on January 27, 2011, 03:10:18 PM
http://www.activeboard.com/forum.spark?aBID=99460&p=3&topicID=17007315
http://www.activeboard.com/forum.spark?aBID=99460&p=3&topicID=25056186

There are a few pins to move around, also names vary a little for same pins ,  gix wiring diagram with colors may help, suzuki are realy consistant with wire color across there range of bikes very few exceptions
Title: Re: ecueditor.com for K7- gixxers
Post by: FastazzR1 on January 27, 2011, 03:12:00 PM
so does that mean i could just plug in the gen2 ecu and it might run?
 and what pin do i get the +5v from?
Title: Re: ecueditor.com for K7- gixxers
Post by: FastazzR1 on January 27, 2011, 03:20:49 PM
http://www.activeboard.com/forum.spark?aBID=99460&p=3&topicID=17007315
http://www.activeboard.com/forum.spark?aBID=99460&p=3&topicID=25056186

There are a few pins to move around, also names vary a little for same pins ,  gix wiring diagram with colors may help, suzuki are realy consistant with wire color across there range of bikes very few exceptions

thanx for the diagrams. will be really helpfull.
Title: Re: ecueditor.com for K7- gixxers
Post by: Birdman on January 27, 2011, 03:58:15 PM
2 step worked well on K7 I flashed today :D

To dissable stv, servo and shaft would be great, as I like to remove shaft and bore throttle bodies without throwing FI trouble code. Would you consider offering this feature?

Can ecu models 32920 21H10 be flashed yet?
Title: Re: ecueditor.com for K7- gixxers
Post by: PetriK on January 27, 2011, 11:44:02 PM
2 step worked well on K7 I flashed today :D

To dissable stv, servo and shaft would be great, as I like to remove shaft and bore throttle bodies without throwing FI trouble code. Would you consider offering this feature?

Can ecu models 32920 21H10 be flashed yet?

I need a bin fr 21H10 just to check it out - if you could send it to me. I am pretty sure that its very close to 21H00 that is already working.

Disabling stc is currently out of scope as I do not want to promote a feature that looses power and makes bike less driveable. Also then loosing the per gear tuning option. For turbos that could be made, possibly using gen2 hayabusa .bin in gixxer ecu.
Title: Re: ecueditor.com for K7- gixxers
Post by: Birdman on January 28, 2011, 08:37:36 AM
Quote
Disabling stc is currently out of scope as I do not want to promote a feature that looses power

PetriK, I remove shaft on our large displacement motors and We definitely see HP gains on dyno. I understand HP driveability issues on street bikes.

Also, how do I retrieve bin. file?
Title: Re: ecueditor.com for K7- gixxers
Post by: sportbikeryder on January 28, 2011, 09:31:18 AM
Quote
Disabling stc is currently out of scope as I do not want to promote a feature that looses power

PetriK, I remove shaft on our large displacement motors and We definitely see HP gains on dyno. I understand HP driveability issues on street bikes.

Also, how do I retrieve bin. file?

Connect to teh ECU, then under the Falsh heading, click Verify/Read ECU
Title: Re: ecueditor.com for K7- gixxers
Post by: street missile on January 28, 2011, 09:35:44 AM
Hi PetriK,

I see you are using visual basic right? sorry if I'm asking stupid question, but i'm new to this.
What compiler do you use to get the program into bytecode for the renesas? I'm used to work with c, and i can only find a c compiler for the mcu.
can you explain a little more on the development environment you are using? do you use the jtag interface for uploading?
Title: Re: ecueditor.com for K7- gixxers
Post by: PetriK on January 28, 2011, 09:50:34 AM
Very simple. We use serial protocol to read and write to ecu, the serial protocol is part of ecueditor.com made with visual basic. The ecu firmware is modified with a visual basic code. Add on modules are written with C and embedded to ecu firmware. All this is in bitbucket and available to everyone. To know what to modify in firmware the code is disassembled, the disassemblies are managed by the core development team. Additionally Justin made the autotune module with C that is now incorporated into ecueditor.

Please feel free to join us in the bitbucket and start co-developing the ecueditor.com with us. There is always plenty to do.
Title: Re: ecueditor.com for K7- gixxers
Post by: Birdman on February 05, 2011, 02:48:51 PM
Question?  When selecting map switching, when pin 66 wire is complete circuit (grounded) map is MS1?
Title: Re: ecueditor.com for K7- gixxers
Post by: PetriK on February 06, 2011, 02:18:06 AM
Question?  When selecting map switching, when pin 66 wire is complete circuit (grounded) map is MS1?

If you have set adv settings ms mode to switchable then grounded is ms0 and open is ms1, or at least it shoild be.
Title: Re: ecueditor.com for K7- gixxers
Post by: badass1000 on February 10, 2011, 11:31:28 AM
I am very interested in hearing what to do on the 1000's.  I used ecu editor all last year on my 09 busa for a/f, nitrous, and air shifter.  looking forward to track opening in a few months to try out some other stuff on the busa and ecu editor.
I have a 06 gsxr 1000 that is a pro street type build without the stand alone.  I just have a microtech with data loging and secondary injectors.  I bought a programing cable for the stock ecu and rom raider.  Bike isn't runing so I have not tried useing it yet.  I was going to use the rom raider to do a few simple things to the stock ecu.
Would be great to be able to put a gen 2 busa ecu in a 05-06 gsxr 1000.  :tu:
Title: Re: ecueditor.com for K7- gixxers
Post by: Oz Booster on February 10, 2011, 03:59:44 PM
I have a 09 busa ecu on a 06 gix loom (on an 01 1k), needed about 15 wires moved in the plug  ,currently have the bike cranking, not firing, but that's with the 2 wire 01 cam sensor,my 07 gix cam sensor i think arrives today ,and i may get time to fit it and see if i can get the bike to run  ,
Currently the editor dash  shows only my temp sensors faulting , there not connected, but it also shows no rpm, which i associate with no proper cam signal , was 1/2 expecting rpm from the crank sensor and a cam sensor fault but i suppose with the 2 wire sensor connected it thinks there is a sensor connected but cannot recognise the signal

Originally i was just going to use the 06 ecu on my 01 to be able to set limiters,injector size ,etc as this bike has an AEM piggyback and otherwise works well
once provan this will transfer to my landspeed 99 750 that is currently running a 01 1k loom and ecu and microtech secondaries
Title: Re: ecueditor.com for K7- gixxers
Post by: badass1000 on February 10, 2011, 04:13:55 PM
cool to hear some one working on some frankenstien stuff.   :hys: :tu:
What triger do you have on the end of the crank?  still the old 01 or did you put a newer 01-06 crank triger on the crank?  Now that I think about it doesn't the busa get the signal from the magneto rotor instead of the crank triger like the 1000?  How is that working?
Are you just going to leave one set of injectors just unpluged if useing 06 loom/gen 2 busa ecu?
Title: Re: ecueditor.com for K7- gixxers
Post by: sportbikeryder on February 10, 2011, 06:16:14 PM
I have a 09 busa ecu on a 06 gix loom (on an 01 1k), needed about 15 wires moved in the plug  ,currently have the bike cranking, not firing, but that's with the 2 wire 01 cam sensor,my 07 gix cam sensor i think arrives today ,and i may get time to fit it and see if i can get the bike to run  ,
Currently the editor dash  shows only my temp sensors faulting , there not connected, but it also shows no rpm, which i associate with no proper cam signal , was 1/2 expecting rpm from the crank sensor and a cam sensor fault but i suppose with the 2 wire sensor connected it thinks there is a sensor connected but cannot recognise the signal

Originally i was just going to use the 06 ecu on my 01 to be able to set limiters,injector size ,etc as this bike has an AEM piggyback and otherwise works well
once provan this will transfer to my landspeed 99 750 that is currently running a 01 1k loom and ecu and microtech secondaries

My Gen2 on a Gen1 conversion bike would not run at all without the ECT sensor connected. If you need to, you could just put a resistor on the harness.

I received and installed an offset cam pin today, but have not had a chance to start the bike (or attempt to start it....)
John
Title: Re: ecueditor.com for K7- gixxers
Post by: Oz Booster on February 10, 2011, 08:56:58 PM
The 08+ busa uses 24-2 same as 06+gix just it is on the rotor, i am expecting the signal will be correct
yes changed the 01 crank trigger to 06 and have had the bike running as an 06 with the secondary injector map zero'd out and no fault codes
that was the first step  :D
The gix 3 wire sensor should solve the cam sensor issue & my offset pins are on there way in case there needed in my combination
, John how did your rewrite of the stva go ?
Will plug in the coolant sensors and try that  :thumb:, there currently just not in easy reach with the loom draped across the bike
Title: Re: ecueditor.com for K7- gixxers
Post by: badass1000 on February 10, 2011, 10:40:36 PM
that would be pretty sweet if the 06 crank triger works.  pretty cool about zeroing out the second set of injectors when runing a single set of injectors.  I thought I had a 07 crank triger to look at. I have a 07 1000 engine in the garage with a damaged head, but the cam sensor is removed from the cover.  I didn't think about how the 06 gsxr 1000 is like gen one ecu internals and that the off set crank triger would be needed.
Hopefully it works out great for you.   :thumb:
Then I will have to bug you or someone else on how to put a gen 2 ecu in my  06 1000.  :D
I wonder how much other gen 2 ecu stuff can be figured to work on the 06 1000.  like the wide band o2 sensor and data loging.  Should be able to wire up the o2 sensor and then just put the 5v signal wired or pined into the gen 2 ecu.
Title: Re: ecueditor.com for K7- gixxers
Post by: Oz Booster on February 10, 2011, 11:31:40 PM
No cam, sensor  :(. but thanks to Gixted i have a set of 07 gix cams to compare pin location  :tu:    and in the same mail a full 07  1k loom and 21h60 ecu minus several sensors including the cam
so my options have increased  :D

Yep hope to setup for wideband etc
Title: Re: ecueditor.com for K7- gixxers
Post by: sportbikeryder on February 11, 2011, 06:41:04 AM
The 08+ busa uses 24-2 same as 06+gix just it is on the rotor, i am expecting the signal will be correct
yes changed the 01 crank trigger to 06 and have had the bike running as an 06 with the secondary injector map zero'd out and no fault codes
that was the first step  :D
The gix 3 wire sensor should solve the cam sensor issue & my offset pins are on there way in case there needed in my combination
, John how did your rewrite of the stva go ?
Will plug in the coolant sensors and try that  :thumb:, there currently just not in easy reach with the loom draped across the bike


I have bot worked on the bike until yesterday to install the cam pin (was waiting on it to arrive). Hope to get some time to get back on it this weekend and try the re-write and recheck the crank and cam pulse sync. I know what you mean by having a wire harness draped all over the bike!
Title: Re: ecueditor.com for K7- gixxers
Post by: T JONES(JPR) on February 20, 2011, 04:49:30 PM
I just brought a 08 gsxr1000 a couple days ago! Im so happy that there is a ecu editor for them, and I can switch maps for nos like my Busa. Thanks to all you guys out there that come up with this incredible technology! I couldnt do this stuff without all of you! :woot:
Title: Re: ecueditor.com for K7- gixxers
Post by: Oz Booster on February 21, 2011, 03:23:16 AM
Back on the 06 gix /08 busa conversion,I brought a hall effect sensor that the local electronics guy said gave the same output as the suzuki 3 wire cam sensor i supplied for testing
made a mount plate up and installed it at the same height as the std 2 wire that came out
the sensor has a led indicator to show when it pulses and this seemed to look good when i fitted it to the bike and cranked it ... but.. i only had a slight kickback and loud exhaust backfire for my efforts  :(.. and when i fired up my laptop to use this morning i was greeted with a black screen and fault type beeps  :evil:, so i can't realy see whats happening till the laptop is back from service
But at least i have something more happening than last time , just have to find the issue and sort it out ..
Title: Re: ecueditor.com for K7- gixxers
Post by: Oz Booster on February 21, 2011, 03:36:53 PM
had time to think about it a little , , first i am going to fit the new sensor into my 08 busa and confirm it works with the ecu.
also have to check the  08 rotor relationship to the 06 gix crank trigger , but these will be another day 
Title: Re: ecueditor.com for K7- gixxers
Post by: Oz Booster on February 21, 2011, 07:56:37 PM
Should be working but couldn't help myself.. the sender works in the 08 busa , slight kickback trying to start and surge at 3500rpm makes me think my timing is out on the quickly made adaptor even though it looks very close , maybe a slightly different response within the sensor, but it revs cleanly to over 9k free revving and runs and idles with no fault code so i am going to call it good enough to put back on the gix and look closer at timing issues, i have an adjustable timing light and can slot the adaptor bracket hole, so sure i can find the right offset .
Title: Re: ecueditor.com for K7- gixxers
Post by: sportbikeryder on February 21, 2011, 08:42:41 PM
Do you have a 2 channel oscilloscope available? It is a quick way to see if the triggers are in the proper position, at least in relation to each other.
Title: Re: ecueditor.com for K7- gixxers
Post by: Oz Booster on February 21, 2011, 10:04:47 PM
I am always thinking of getting one, but just haven't got around to it,
Title: Re: ecueditor.com for K7- gixxers
Post by: PetriK on February 25, 2011, 05:59:03 PM
Had so much fun today when dynoing a Gixxer K7 that thought to share some of the feelings ...

http://ecueditor.hayabusa-riders.de/flash/GixxerK7.flv

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=couuvgYLAwk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=couuvgYLAwk)
Title: Re: ecueditor.com for K7- gixxers
Post by: Mike-Nightrider on February 26, 2011, 01:12:19 AM
Cool vid PetriK  :D :tu:
Title: Re: ecueditor.com for K7- gixxers
Post by: Ra12r on May 08, 2011, 11:13:44 PM
Maj, how did you 06 to Gen2 ecu conversion work?
Title: Re: ecueditor.com for K7- gixxers
Post by: Oz Booster on May 09, 2011, 08:27:43 PM
cam sensor was giving me issues, i now have an 07 sensor on the way and it may interchange with the early sender as a drop in fit ??
Someone with more late gsxr experiance may be able to confirm this??

so i put the gix loom on my gen 1 busa  using a gen 2 cam cover and sensor , modified crank rotor and it fired up fine, so at least my wiring conversion is good,
only point to check when i get it back on the gix is that the crank signal is suitable
Title: Re: ecueditor.com for K7- gixxers
Post by: Ra12r on May 09, 2011, 09:58:06 PM
Thanks for the progress report. I am at the point trying to figure out how to get the software potential with the K6 also to be able to use the ecueditor program. I wish the bin files was the only variable when you load them like the RomRaider. One program, but just choose different bins. If it would work with the Gen1 busa ecu, then why not the K6 ecu?

I know the RomRaider and have flashed with it, but the definitions are not as developed..........unless I don't have the most recent?!
Title: Re: ecueditor.com for K7- gixxers
Post by: Oz Booster on June 13, 2011, 01:15:29 AM
Update
07 gix 1000 cam sensor interchanges with the earlier sensors for fit , and gen 1 busa. the gen 2 busa and gix 750/600 of similar age run a different cam sensor , so anyone retrofitting can use the 07 gix 1000 sensor.

The 06 gix loom and 08 busa ecu work good on my gen 1 busa (setup with the gen 2 cam sensor and cover before i realised the gix would have been cheaper and easier)
the same loom and ecu do not work on my gix.
The 07 gix loom and ecu with busa .bin does work on my earlier gix when the cam sensor is fitted

So personally now i would not modify a 06 gix loom to use a busa ecu, to use the busa ecu on a busa get a busa loom .. and to get the same functionality on a gix get the gix ecu and loom and use the busa .bin .
posted similar on the 1000 section .

Title: Re: ecueditor.com for K7- gixxers
Post by: badass1000 on June 18, 2011, 05:53:06 PM
cool. 
Thank you for the update.  :tu:
Title: Re: ecueditor.com for K7- gixxers
Post by: gsx-rboy750 on October 10, 2011, 11:49:06 AM
Update
07 gix 1000 cam sensor interchanges with the earlier sensors for fit , and gen 1 busa. the gen 2 busa and gix 750/600 of similar age run a different cam sensor , so anyone retrofitting can use the 07 gix 1000 sensor.

The 06 gix loom and 08 busa ecu work good on my gen 1 busa (setup with the gen 2 cam sensor and cover before i realised the gix would have been cheaper and easier)
the same loom and ecu do not work on my gix.
The 07 gix loom and ecu with busa .bin does work on my earlier gix when the cam sensor is fitted

So personally now i would not modify a 06 gix loom to use a busa ecu, to use the busa ecu on a busa get a busa loom .. and to get the same functionality on a gix get the gix ecu and loom and use the busa .bin .
posted similar on the 1000 section .




Last night I finished the following
orginal bike 06-07 gsxr 750 with turbo
-wired with a 08-09 gsxr 750 wiring harness
-running a 07-08 gsxr 1000 ecu
- running 08busa ecu editor, flashed with 08 Busa bin with 08-09 750 ign, fuel maps pasted and reflashed.

It fucking started and purred like a fucking champ!!!!

I am having problems with engine data. It says com port is not setup, however I was able to flash at least 3 times no problem.
I also would like to know e actly how people are wiring in their wideband dirrectly to the stock o2 harness wiring.
Thank you will post video later.
Title: Re: ecueditor.com for K7- gixxers
Post by: sportbikeryder on October 10, 2011, 12:51:43 PM
Cool  :tu:

What cam sensor are you using?
Title: Re: ecueditor.com for K7- gixxers
Post by: gsx-rboy750 on October 10, 2011, 01:53:30 PM
Cool  :tu:

What cam sensor are you using?


Stock 06-07 gsxr 750
Title: Re: ecueditor.com for K7- gixxers
Post by: Oz Booster on October 10, 2011, 05:32:35 PM
 :D  Very nice ,
Wideband is powered /gnd independantly , not through the std o2 connector , but the wideband 0-5v output goes to the white /gn in that connector
i tried using the power from the std connector and it didn't seem to get enough current for the heater circuit to work properly , now trigger a relay parralling the fuel pump circuit (wideband hogs power if your key on fiddling with stuff )
Title: Re: ecueditor.com for K7- gixxers
Post by: gsx-rboy750 on October 10, 2011, 08:15:51 PM
:D  Very nice ,
Wideband is powered /gnd independantly , not through the std o2 connector , but the wideband 0-5v output goes to the white /gn in that connector
i tried using the power from the std connector and it didn't seem to get enough current for the heater circuit to work properly , now trigger a relay parralling the fuel pump circuit (wideband hogs power if your key on fiddling with stuff )

thanks
but, when I got home I figured my com port was set up wrong.
So I finally got engine data to work and I THINK I SPOKE TOO SOON
my IAP looks strange.
I will have to get the wide band and on a dyno asap.
Title: Re: ecueditor.com for K7- gixxers
Post by: ruckusman on July 13, 2022, 03:35:17 AM
Update
07 gix 1000 cam sensor interchanges with the earlier sensors for fit , and gen 1 busa. the gen 2 busa and gix 750/600 of similar age run a different cam sensor , so anyone retrofitting can use the 07 gix 1000 sensor.

The 06 gix loom and 08 busa ecu work good on my gen 1 busa (setup with the gen 2 cam sensor and cover before i realised the gix would have been cheaper and easier)
the same loom and ecu do not work on my gix.
The 07 gix loom and ecu with busa .bin does work on my earlier gix when the cam sensor is fitted

So personally now i would not modify a 06 gix loom to use a busa ecu, to use the busa ecu on a busa get a busa loom .. and to get the same functionality on a gix get the gix ecu and loom and use the busa .bin .
posted similar on the 1000 section .

I know this is an ancient thread but with the ECU hacking forum and documentation gone I'm on a quest...
 
I'm very interested in any details you may recall about this.

For instance, do you know/remember the offset of the cam trigger pin in respect of BDC/TDC?

I haven't yet cross referenced pin assignments on both Busa and Gix 1K ECU/loom pins, are the pin assignments them same between them?

 OR

If the pin assignments aren't the same, do the Gix ECU pin assignments change to those of the BUSA ECU pin assignments when the BUSA  bin is flashed to the Gix ECU?