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TECHNICAL => GEN II BUSA => Topic started by: rider44 on July 25, 2011, 10:08:00 PM
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I am needing advise on a good exhaust system for my 2011. I would like something with a low rumble, not a high pitch sound. What do you guys think? I found some stage 2 shorty pipes on Ebay with resonator, insulation and chrome. I want it to sound more like my hotrods, not like my sons Honda dirt bike, that by the way, ran out from under me first time on it...LOL THANKS
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Best "low" tone grumble I've found was Tsukigi Cannon. I used to get compliments such as "sounds like small/big block" when it was idling.
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Thanks Crawler, sounds exactly like what I am looking for. Thanks
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I don't like the look of the Tsukigi cannon pipe on the busa at all,no matter what it sounds like.
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As my grandmother said, "different strokes for different folks."
I actually gravitated to the Tsukigi for the looks. Then read about the performance.
The sound was just a very nice surprise.
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This is NOT my bike, but the cannon looks good on it, like crawler said different strokes for different folks.
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Now this is a good looking exhaust system,lol.
(http://i787.photobucket.com/albums/yy160/gjp1300/myK8_0521.jpg)
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That Tsukigi looks like something I could make in my garage,must be like when a couple has a baby they alway's think thier baby is the cutest thing ever even though everyone else thinks it's butt ugly. Just kidding,lol,like you said everyone likes a different style,I'm just not a fan of the shorty look on the busa myself. Any good quality exhaust system will make close to the same power,it's all in the tuning anyway, The Akro put up 187hp and 107ftlbs of torque on a hot day so that's on par with what most systems are going to make with a good tune and the Akro has a nice deep tone to it.
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(http://i787.photobucket.com/albums/yy160/gjp1300/myK8_0527.jpg)
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That Akro looks good :tu: I've always loved the sound of a akro on a Busa
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Thanks Dave,it's expensive but def top quality and has a nice look to go wtih the new busa style.
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That Tsukigi looks like something I could make in my garage,must be like when a couple has a baby they alway's think thier baby is the cutest thing ever even though everyone else thinks it's butt ugly. Just kidding,lol,like you said everyone likes a different style,I'm just not a fan of the shorty look on the busa myself. Any good quality exhaust system will make close to the same power,it's all in the tuning anyway, The Akro put up 187hp and 107ftlbs of torque on a hot day so that's on par with what most systems are going to make with a good tune and the Akro has a nice deep tone to it.
Akro is a nice system. No doubt about that. Again, we all have our preference.
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I am in no way trying to dis the Akro..........and I know they are beautifully made systems, but I wanna know how much more RWHP is produced over stock. That's all.
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No offense takin Dave,My bike put out 173 hp on the dyno stone stock on a good air day,then after the Akro,pc3 install it put up 187 hp and 107ftlbs of torque on a hot day with ok air,so about 14 hp gain and 40lb crash diet,lol.
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No offense takin Dave,My bike put out 173 hp on the dyno stone stock on a good air day,then after the Akro,pc3 install it put up 187 hp and 107ftlbs of torque on a hot day with ok air,so about 14 hp gain and 40lb crash diet,lol.
Worth every penny! I just might get one. One question, what about the Oxygen Sensor? Is there a bung for it in the Akro? 187 would blow my dress up. :tu:
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Brock's will make the same
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vpg7nsIJBVQ
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Hey Dave the Akro does have the O2 sensor bung...... and brocks will make the same power but the Akro looks better and sounds better IMO than Brocks Shorty,plus it won't give you a headache. The packing burns out of the Shorty or something being as there cant be much in there as my friend had the same pipe,wicked annoying and it kept getting louder,even he got sick of it hearing it. Not a fan of it no offense but I guess it depends on how much street riding you do and I do round 8k a year and that pipe would definitely resonate in your helmet,rather have the deep tone of the Akro as they make the same power anyway less the raspy noise.
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Brocks or Ti force
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Yosh,Ti,Akro and brocks all make the same power it all depends on the dyno tuning so get the one you like the look and sound of the best. My 08 with the Akro maade 187hp and 107ftlb of torque,my friends with the Yosh put up 188hp and 105ftlb of torque on the same day,another friend of mine has Brocks shorty made 186hp on the same dyno but a different day so they all make the same power with similiar torque. If I was gonna build my motor that might change things and I'd probably go with the Ti summo if they still have it for the 08.
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Why is it that everyone just looks at the max power at redline? In a years time how much time is spent at 11,000 rpm, maybe a couple of minutes. I want the power where I use it most between 3000-6000 rpm. To me a good pipe will give ya all of the above. Lets hear what pipe gives the most TQ and HP at 6,000. 8)
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I'm sure all the power curves on these pipes are very similar atleast the yosh and the Akro were,Akro just made more torque everywhere which I was glad to see. I dont spend alot of time in the 3 to 6k range whether I'm hiting the backroads,dragracing or doing some top speed runs. I may be off base here but I don't think I am in saying I don't think too many people on here are as concerned with the the hp and torque in that range and more concerned with 6k to redline,unless you were doing top gear roll ons from like 50mph,maybe that's where you keep your tach but I'm only in that range when I'm cruising along on the highway other wise I'm uaually ripping through some gears.
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Just remember you get map support with Brocks which is priceless for people who don't have a good tuner near them
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Brock is awsome no doubt and knows his shit but most people that dyno tune today are pretty good as well,all my busas and I've had four of them put up some good numbers on the dyno and Ive ran really good numbers at the dragstrip which is to me the real test. If I were doing alot of top speed runs at maxton or something I might have thought about Brocks abit more but don't think the map support would come into play that much as I get all my bikes dyno tuned and the guy is good. Just buy a Bazass box with the self tune and call it a day which people say works awsome then you don't need a dyno I guess,lol.
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Just remember you get map support with Brocks which is priceless for people who don't have a good tuner near them
Your right about getting a map from Brock if you dont have a tuner near you,but in my experiance you have to dyno tune cause every bike is different because of the cam degree differences due to mass production. In 2000 me and three of my friends all bought brand new busas,then we all put muzzy pipes on and every bike liked a different map,at the time I thought that was bazar at the time. If I didn't have a dyno tuner near me I would be going with a bazaas box with the self tune for sure.
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Brocks first love is drag racing, first street bike in the 7s.. maxton, texas & so on came because his pipes make power..smeg for me...
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He also tunes his bike with oxygenated fuels so there's another 10 to 12 hp otherwise all pipes are within 2hp of each other on a stock motor,unless it's some cheap pipe. I used oxygenated 90 octane fuel on my stone stock 08 which made 173hp on pump gas, added the fuel and used the yosh box to tune no pc3 and picked up 9hp,ended up making 182hp and would of produced more had we had a pc3 on the bike as we couldn't make anymore adjustment in the direction we needed to go without one, that's where they get huge gains among other little tricks. My friends have Brock pipes on their bikes and our bikes run pretty much identical,I actually run more mph at the strip and than they do by 1.5mph on average,so it's all in the tune for the most part.
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I'm here in col. so i see brock & his crew at the track kill-kare test & tune 2 wheel tuesday. he will help with anything, his stuff or anybody else's. just a cool ass ohio guy.. ur right it's all in the tune. if my money holds out (dam kids) headed up the road to ryan schnitz, ecu editor time..
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BROCK'S!!!!!! He has more than one style of pipe(shorty) and his tech support is second to none. I won't run anything else on my bike's unless it's free of course. LOL....
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No doubt Brock is an awsome guy and his tech support is the best,but for Joe smo you buy a quality pipe and go to a decent tuner you'll be in the ballpark. If your drag racing and doing top speed events than that's where purchasing Brock's products and tech support would really shine. My point being the average street guy just needs a decent pipe with a good tune and he'll be plenty happy.
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We have used several Brock's systems on a couple of stock motor bikes, and the maps provided were pretty much dead-on. That's for pump gas and MR-9. If you are paying comparable prices for the pipes, you are money ahead to get the Brock's and avoid the cost of tuning. This is especially applicable for the average street rider, imo. For hardcore racers, of course they are more likely to want a custom tune.
Shane
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Why is it that everyone just looks at the max power at redline? In a years time how much time is spent at 11,000 rpm, maybe a couple of minutes. I want the power where I use it most between 3000-6000 rpm. To me a good pipe will give ya all of the above. Lets hear what pipe gives the most TQ and HP at 6,000. 8)
I spend most of my time between 5 and 9 so the bike will be in the best position to accelerate if I need to/want to. 3000-6000 is too low for me. These bikes were made to rev and I just feel that is the way I am gonna ride it. I shift at 10 or so when "moving on" . If I was gonna ride a bike at 3000 rpms, I would own a Harley. Been there, done that. Busa is better. Keep the revss up and have fun...............but avoid the ditches. :thumb:
Dave
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Everyone has the rev range they like, my point is get a pipe that improves the power where you use it the most.
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Think about it, a motor with a redline of 10,800 does not give a hoot if ya cruise around at half of that. Three grand is too low for a Busa to even begin to make power. IMO. If ya like driving around at 3-4 grand, you need to be on something other than a Suzuki Hayabusa. That is just my personal opinion. :tu:
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So every time you shift your bike it is at 10,800. You are one lucky guy. I live in the city and most of the street speed limits are 45 mph so to stay within the reasonable limit I am often at 3-5 thou rpm. You must drive around in first gear a lot.
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I apologize if I offended you. No, I do not shift at 10,800 every time. When I am riding "hard" I shift at around 10, when I am just cruising around, I shift at about 8500 but I try to keep my cruising revs above 5 so there will be some torque available when I nail it. Please forgive me for making that remark about the low RPMs. It is your bike and you can ride it however you choose. It is also none of my business. Peace, brother and ride safe. :tu: :)
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It's all good.
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It's all good.
:mrgreen: Bottom line is we are both riding the best street bike on the planet. :thumb:
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I think everyone shifts at low rpm around town that's pretty obvious unless you want to eat someones bumper,lol..... but the Question is where are you shifting when you get on back roads and pick up the pace....If you tell me your shifting at 3 to 6k then I would have to agree with Dave that your not using your sport bike for what it's designed for......Exileration!!! ....but that's coming from someone that disregards speed limits on backroads,I mean why own a busa if your not going to stretch it's legs here and there,lol. So, If that were the case here and I'm not saying it is but you should own something that's more of a cruiser if your more of a lay back style rider,why give up comfort for sport if your not gonna sport it up a bit here and there. As far as pipes go,most are at least making the same power at 2 to 4k and then you see an increase in power over stock from 4k to redline,even being less at 2 to 4k range the weight loss of the stock pipes....35lbs....is going to help your roll on thrust,so overall any pipe will help you in the 3 to 6k range with proper tuning which was the point about people being too concerned about peak power all the time I believe moregpz..... I know what my bike runs like after installing my Akro and PC3 and having it dyno tuned and the bike has excellent throttle response from any rpm,roll on from any gear any rpm and it pulls hard and smoothly all the way through the rev range,runs better than stock from IMO. I personally want my bike to pull as smooth as it did stock but with more power everywhere with a pipe installed,I want peak power because I use it but I want total drivability when I'm driving around town,so I agree with you Moregpz with the low end power,but dont think your giving up any power loss at that low rpms with a pipe in any way you defintely are gaining.
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Like has been stated before - Most pipes create basically the same hp at max rpm. it would be interesting to see if midrange is where a quality pipe shines. Both of my Busas go 200 on a regular basis so I am not shy with the throttle. Like I said if we could get honest answers here we could learn much more. :bike:
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Pipes do make more mid-range....all you have to do is overlay a stock dyno run and piped with tuning dyno run to see that.....you gain power from 3 to 8k which is your low and mi-range.Who really cares about about making huge power gains at 3 to 6k,plus the busa has a ridicules amount of torque at any throttle opening.....I mean how much do you need down there? If your looking for more build your motor and and set your cams up for mid-range power instead of peak,that's what my friend did with his gen1 1397 kit,my 08 runs as good as his if not better from any rpm so maybe you should build a 1441 tooled for mid-range if your really concerned about that rpm range as no pipe is going to give you huge gains in that area,people are usually happy with the minimal gains they get down that low. Long story short,the pipe you would want is the Akro Dual Race which makes more mid-range with the same peak of the Single Carbon Race or build your motor,personally I think it's a moot point here.
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The Akro Dual Race pipe just happens to be on my bike, and yes the mid is very strong. I have never been beat from second gear rolls. Peak hp was 189.7. Like I said I want a pipe that improves the power curve everywhere. The best pipes for that are Akro. :tu:
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That is exactly what I was attempting to convey..............we all want the "perfect pipe" at every RPM. Unfortunately, the laws of physics make that goal a challenge.
I personally would run a pipe that would sacrifice low end (2-4K) power in order to give me an additional 8-12 RWHP from 5,000 RPMs to redline.
Ya sometimes have to give a little to get a lot. IMO.
Dave
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What laws ya talking about?
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I think what Dave means is that it's a charateristic of piping an inline 4 motor,you gain more mid to high hp than low end with a pipe,you just can't have it all. I have the Akro that's in the previous pics and it made 187hp and 107 torque on a warm day,my friend Lou massaged the tune on it and it runs really strong as well,too bad we don't live close I'd like to give you a run for your money,lol.
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Motor City for me, where ya at?
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I'm in CT so it looks like that aint happening,lol. Hows that Akro dual sound? pretty mean I bet...If they had it in Carbon fiber I might of went with it but I do like the look of the single better,but def a nice system.
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In my opinion, this is like a "what is the best oil" type of question. Everyone has their favorites, and their reasons.
Personally, I hate all the shorty pipes like the SMEG and Alien Head. Too loud, and do not care for the styling. Tons of others love them, to each their own, I say.
Almost every pipe out there is going to be comparable in HP and tq gains, to a point. So just pick the style you like. My personal favorite is this one:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v59/LudicrousSpeed/DSC03902.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v59/LudicrousSpeed/DSC03904.jpg)
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That's a good looking pipe for sure,best looking one Brock makes IMO. The black Carbon Fiber looks really sharp on the white busa's,something to do with the frame being black,there's a pic on here somewhere of one that was really sharp.
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I just picked up my bike today from the shop with the Yosh Full Race system #1121062 and the carbon fiber canister. The bike lost 25 lbs and is a bunch stronger in the 5-7 range and also up in the 8-10 range. It seems to get a bit of a "kick in the butt" at about 8 grand. It is like you are going fast and then all of a sudden you are going "faster faster." I am very pleased. Now, if I can just keep it out of the ditches............. :hys: :bike: :tu:
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I just picked up my bike today from the shop with the Yosh Full Race system #1121062 and the carbon fiber canister. The bike lost 25 lbs and is a bunch stronger in the 5-7 range and also up in the 8-10 range. It seems to get a bit of a "kick in the butt" at about 8 grand. It is like you are going fast and then all of a sudden you are going "faster faster." I am very pleased. Now, if I can just keep it out of the ditches............. :hys: :bike: :tu:
Did you get it Dyno tuned Dave? If so what was your hp and torque....My friends bike with a Yosh system put out 188hp and 105tq
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i think and obvious point has been missed here.regardless
of what a dyno says,you dont ride it standing still.if
a pipe made exactly the same power and weigh 35lbs
less,thats effectively adding 5ft/lbs of torque
everywhere to the bikes power.thats like dropping
a tooth in the front sprocket,thats significant.normally a breathing
mod will lose somewhere but gain elsewhere,bigger primaries
tend to hurt part throttle torque compared to stock headers but although you often
ride from 2-50% throttle position,your dyno sheet
shows at 100% throttle,everything is rosy.timing and fuel trimming
can help but a smaller pipe will always scavenge
better at lower throttle percentages and or rpms,than
a larger pipe.
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Glenn makes perfect sense. My bike response is awesome in the first 1/2 throttle.............and it actually accelerates a bit better, particularly in the higher gears, if I roll the throttle on rather than just whackin' it wide open between 1/2 and full throttle.
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Agreed,Like I said before the weight loss of the heavy exhaust offsets the slight loss of power with an aftermarket exhaust on the bottom end,I for one use more like 50 to 100% throttle openings when I hit back roads but I've come to realize most people don't ride like me,so I really enjoy the mid-range to peak power gain.
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Sorry Guys I couldn't help this, the very best exhaust system for any Busa is your Turbos dump pipe sticking out the side panel :tu:
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Not if your a Knee Dragger you'll end up dead!! lol...... I do like that exhaust system with the turbo,that kind of power is addicting and fun as all hell to drive,just not for cornering.
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Sorry Guys I couldn't help this, the very best exhaust system for any Busa is your Turbos dump pipe sticking out the side panel :tu:
Ghostrider 2011
Friggin' guy was unbeleivable.................no fear..............all testosterone..............my hero. Always will be. :bike: :tu:
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Sorry Guys I couldn't help this, the very best exhaust system for any Busa is your Turbos dump pipe sticking out the side panel :tu:
I have to agree, dump pipe with that "high pitch spinning noise" is hard to beat.
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This is NOT my bike, but the cannon looks good on it, like crawler said different strokes for different folks.
Been searchin' my ass off for an exhaust for a new 2011 i hope to pick up in a couple weeks and really like the styling/sound of the Cannon.IMO,the Brocks Short Meg/Alien Head are too stubby and don't look right,and most everything else looks too big and clunky/tail heavy.I know Brocks come with close on maps,and all of these good exhaust systems are probably within a couple hp of each other so i'm leaning towards this Tsukigi Cannon.Anybody running them have any tuning issues(Crawler?).I've tried the Tsukigi website and it appears to be kinda fucked up,only showing partial graphs/photos,etc.Anybody with more info./dealers,etc. please post up.
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That Tsukigi looks like something I could make in my garage,must be like when a couple has a baby they alway's think thier baby is the cutest thing ever even though everyone else thinks it's butt ugly. Just kidding,lol,like you said everyone likes a different style,I'm just not a fan of the shorty look on the busa myself. Any good quality exhaust system will make close to the same power,it's all in the tuning anyway, The Akro put up 187hp and 107ftlbs of torque on a hot day so that's on par with what most systems are going to make with a good tune and the Akro has a nice deep tone to it.
Akro is a nice system. No doubt about that. Again, we all have our preference.
The Cannon is the only exhaust that appears to flow and follow the curved lines of the Gen II tail section,everything else looks like an afterthought.
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For the street I have to recommend the vance and hines vs one dual. less weight good gains keep the duals and lose 32 pounds. made 186hp and 111 pounds torque and pick up good hp in the range. no tuner bmc filter and full exxhaust with o2 hooked up. strange but it works
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For the street I have to recommend the vance and hines vs one dual. less weight good gains keep the duals and lose 32 pounds. made 186hp and 111 pounds torque and pick up good hp in the range. no tuner bmc filter and full exxhaust with o2 hooked up. strange but it works
I can only find a sidewinder on V & H website,any more info?
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dont get cannon, them things look goofy as hell. :td:
look at TIforce too.
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...lets just put on a sidewinder. :lol:
(Muzzy also has a pipe or 2 i could live with,M10 doesn't look bad)
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i'm good with the sidewinder. can i just pick the exhaust?
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i'm good with the sidewinder. can i just pick the exhaust?
Brocks has a pretty nice one. :lol:
http://brocksperformance.com/Tiwinder-Polished-Full-System+I390365+C135.aspx
...i don't need titanium...
http://brocksperformance.com/Sidewinder-Full-System+I392237+C249.aspx
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gen2 ti force is sumo sized and too big really for a gen2 under 4500rpm,they make great topend hp though and are a
great pipe for 1441-1507 street bikes.
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(http://i787.photobucket.com/albums/yy160/gjp1300/myK8_0527.jpg)
Man thats a nice pipe!! Can that go on a gen 1 without much in the way near the pegs or underneath? I'm thinking it will fit
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Just got a new Brocks short meg yesterday from Chris(blk02ws6)@ Gunslinger Motorsports in Phoenix,can't wait to put it on!
(http://i531.photobucket.com/albums/dd353/piratediverjefff/newbike021.jpg)
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Does everyone that replied in this post still have their Busa? Did you change opinion about your pipe of choice? Move on to another bike? I sold my 08 busa and stopped street riding for a few years and focusing mainly on track days and did some road racing, it's been fun as hell and a great learning experience. Things usually come full circle though as I just picked up another 09 busa to do some street riding again and it has a Brocks shorty alien head, which is obnoxiously loud...lol... One thing I do love about this pipe is passing Harley riders with their loud pipes and scaring shit out of them, quite immature but funny as hell!! Overall though it's just too loud for me so I'm selling it and putting on a Yosh R77 race, same power less DB....lol. I actually came across this old post while researching exhaust systems...lol. Hope your all still riding and doing well!
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Still here bro,and still runnin' the Brocks. :lol:
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Good to hear Jeff! Have you had your hearing checked since you installed that Alien Head....lol. I really like the looks of it on the silver/gray 09 I picked up earlier this year and I think it sounds mean as hell, just over the top loud. I'm getting old.......haha
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Still here bro,
and still runnin' the Brocks .
:lol:
And when he goes around you in the fast lane . . .
You will definitely know he is there !
That pipe tucks nicely •
Red, *<(;{)-
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