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TECHNICAL => NITROUS => Topic started by: glarior on May 22, 2012, 03:26:51 PM
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I am starting my quest for a nitrous build I am working on. I am curious who has run 150+ shots of nitrous reliably and for more than 1/4 mile.
I am looking for the go to person for nitrous.... who do you think that is?
Thanks
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Guy Caputo runs nitrous, but he just uses little baby shots. :lol:
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Yep, I have talked with him and mentioned some pointers to me :bike:
All the information I can learn from the top people the better chance I have of hitting my goal
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are you running LSR
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Yes LSR
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I helped Dean Sabantenlli set the 218 mph Nitrous record 2 years ago on his ZX10. He tested a 150 shot but backed it down to a 70 shot when he set he record. I have sprayed a 200 shot through my 1525cc Busa motor but I am now spraying a 150 shot. Richard Bell ran a 200 shot at Bonnevile about 4 years ago.
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glarior/Charlie:
good on you for shaking the tree, looking for the top expertise in big wet shots for LSR
Gixx1300R:
are you the guy who makes those beautiful spraybars?? (i'm an NA guy, but i like nice pieces)
All:
Charlie was adopted by TFA a few years ago and has seriously applied himself to going faster. He now wants to set a/the asphalt LSR record on nitrous, but he wants to "do it right", both the nitrous set up and the associated motor build. We are all watching charlie's project. :thumb:
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You might give walter sprout a call. The depth of his knowledge is amazing. I would not doubt he has done lsr.
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Just for the record ALL Cecil Towners (HTP Racing) bikes use WON systems and I've personally provided Cecil with 100s of hours of my time to assist him achieve not only the outstanding results he's recorded so far but all those much improved results, that his bikes will be running in the near future, when they all switch to REVO systems, as used on the bike mentioned in the above link.
Now the Busa in Finland has not recorded ANY 'official' world record times (due to the lack of suitable organisation and venues, etc. in Europe), so no doubt some people will choose to ignore these results but smart guys would be wise enough to do otherwise.
Although the bike in the next link isn't a Busa (or similar), it is actually more of an achievement, to sustain such large percentage increases on such small engines, to achieve LSR World records and this one is 'official' (actually at least 2 times over), so the smart guys will appreciate, that the making the 249 MPH NITROUS Busa result in Finland an 'official' world record, is only a matter of location and time.
For your information, we have at least 5 LSR customers (3 American and 4 of them bikes), most of whom will be at Bonnevile this year (including the Busa from Finland), so we expect to see some more world records claimed then.
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Obviously the guys at Bonneville Racing News were smart enough to appreciate what an achievement it was for Jarl to record such a speed, as they honoured him accordingly;
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I'm sure you'll have the answer to your question once you've read these posts. ;-)
Regards
Trevor Langfield (The Wizard of NOS)
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Chuck wilborn at tupelo performance cycle is the nitrous man
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I know a dentist thats pretty good with the stuff :hys:
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:hys: just checked out his website - that's huge range of advanced nitrous products he has there, that's for sure. :hys:
I didn't see anything as advanced as even our Pulsoids never mind our REVO system;
Just out of interest (as I'd love to see how your thinking works), how do you conclude that a guy who barely offers any nitrous products on his website, never mind being responsible for inventing, designing and manufacturing something as advanced as the REVO system, is "the go to person for nitrous"???
BTW no offense intended, I'm just curious.
Let me start off with saying that a few people on this board will get very whizzed off with sarcasm. I just don't think they get it.
With that being said, why does a person have to have a website to be knowledgable? Why does someone have to invent something to be knowledgable? Why can't someone be the "go to guy" with the current technology at their disposal? I think it's great that you have what you consider to be a good product and that you are confident in your product and knowledge, but that does not mean that you are the only "go to guy".
No offense meant, just playing devil's advocate.
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There are times when you need to know who NOT to go to. Go to that link and read, it is quite enlightening
http://www.gofastzone.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=b066948fdc3ffea9efc52fc8fc589c21&topic=8432.0
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There are times when you need to know who NOT to go to. Go to that link and read, it is quite enlightening
http://www.gofastzone.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=b066948fdc3ffea9efc52fc8fc589c21&topic=8432.0
LOL - Only a fool would be dumb enough to believe the ramblings of a dumped bitch like Denny - LOL
I expected you have to resort to spreading bullshit about me, rather than rely on FACTS to argue your case (so this is no surprise), after you ran off with your tail between yours legs like a whipped dog, after the last 2 technical lashing I've given you on Facebook, when you've proved how LITTLE you understand the 'FACTS' about nitrous.
All I need to say to counter your low life tactics is this; It's just lucky for Cecil Towner (and a growing number of world record setting customers), weren't dumb enough to believe the LIES you've dug up, because instead of breaking world record after world record (as they've ALL done), they'd have achieved NOTHING, had they continued to use the nitrous products they were using until they came to me.
Would you care to call and ask Cecil Towner if he'd switch to 'your' products and 'your' knowledge (or ANY other) instead of mine, even if you offered to give him yours FREE, if so here's his number 804 340 0800 but I can tell you now, even if you offered him $50,000 to use yours INSTEAD of mine, HE'D REFUSE!!!
If you refuse or fail to call and convince Cecil to make the switch to your gear, I expect an apology for your low life tactics in digging up the testimony of a LIAR in the absence of ANY facts to support your case.
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Let me start off with saying that a few people on this board will get very whizzed off with sarcasm. I just don't think they get it.
That's a shame as I find it quite amusing.
With that being said, why does a person have to have a website to be knowledgable?
I didn't say they ‘had to have a website' for anything!!! All I said with reference to his website, was that I'd had a look at it and found NOTHING to indicate he had the slightest understanding of nitrous. ANYONE who knows ANYTHING about nitrous, knows that Zex is far from being the best nitrous brand on the planet, so anyone who sells the stuff can't appreciate that fact, so it's less than a glowing testimony to his level of knowledge and that's just ONE indicator I could point out for you.
Why does someone have to invent something to be knowledgable?
They don't have to have 'invented something to be knowledgeable' but I would expect anyone with any sense to appreciate, that someone who has done so (as well as been a major contribution to a number of world records), would be more knowledgeable than someone who hasn't done either.
Why can't someone be the "go to guy" with the current technology at their disposal?
That depends on what you consider 'the current technology' because ALL our products are 'CURRENT', which makes ALL the products that have NOT changed for the past 50 years OBSOLETE and NOT 'current'.
If a guy wants to use the nitrous equivalent of 1980s cell phone and call on a suitable expert in such outdated technology, then no doubt there are plenty of sources of such products and 'go to' person's for guidance. Personally, if I was aiming to set some world records, I'd be looking for the most advanced products available with proven world records to back them up.
I think it's great that you have what you consider to be a good product and that you are confident in your product and knowledge, but that does not mean that you are the only "go to guy".
LOL - OK so what makes someone a 'go to guy' then????
No offense meant, just playing devil's advocate.
None taken and thanks for the post.
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Would you care to call and ask Cecil Towner if he'd switch to 'your' products and 'your' knowledge (or ANY other) instead of mine.
How many WON products are actually used on Cecil's Prostreet bike?
I've seen pictures of a complete REVO "kit" early on but I've also seen only a piece or two being used on some occasions.
Just wondering if there is more than a pulseoid on it or if it is a complete system.
At one point, it had an NMS-1000 controller, a pulseoid, and a standard distribution block, feeding 4 individual foggers in an HTP TB mount.
I would assume now it is back to REVO's or similar WON complete kit (other than the controller)?
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How many WON products are actually used on Cecil's Prostreet bike?
I PERSONALLY visited Cecil while I was on a 3 week trip visiting some of my American customers and fitted BOTH Cecil's Pro Street bikes with my COMPLETE systems MYSELF, from and including the bottles, valves, Pulsoids, Y-Blocks and Nitrous Discharge Tubes, all of which I have numerous photos of. I also checked over the REVO system that was fitted to his Real Street bike while I was there.
I've seen pictures of a complete REVO "kit" early on but I've also seen only a piece or two being used on some occasions.
When some low life wants to prevent someone getting credit they deserve, Paint shop or other photo editing software can be a very useful means to achieve that. If you doubt my word, feel free to call Cecil and ask him in person.
Just wondering if there is more than a pulseoid on it or if it is a complete system.
As stated above EVERY PART of the nitrous hardware is OURS. The ONLY part that we didn't supply was the braided nitrous supply hose, between the bottle and the Pulsoid.
At one point, it had an NMS-1000 controller, a pulseoid, and a standard distribution block, feeding 4 individual foggers in an HTP TB mount.
Well 2 out of 4 is correct (the Pulsoid and the controller) and there was a very good reason why Cecil had NO ALTERNATIVE but to use that controller. With the results on the Real street bike using one of our DRY system being so good (record after record with 100% reliability), Cecil decided he wanted to use DRY systems on his Pro Street bikes as well. With them both already being fitted with Motec units, he decided he wanted to control them directly from that but at the time it wasn't possible. He therefore needed a control unit that had a 0 to 5 Volt analogue output signal (to interface between the Motec and the nitrous system), which at the time was only available from that Schnitz unit and as Ryan was riding one of the bikes, it made sense to take the offer of some freebies.
If we'd had a 0 to 5 Volt output feature in the Max Extreme at the time, he would have used that instead.
For your further information, the ONLY cause of problems that he suffered after fitting that controller, was the FAILURE of the 0 to 5 Volt signal from the Schnitz, which is why he was determined to get the Motec to carry out the full control.
I would assume now it is back to REVO's or similar WON complete kit (other than the controller)?
The CURRENT situation is this;
1) On HIS OWN Pro Street bikes (I can't say what is being used on any of his customers bikes for certain and that is likely to be where any 'genuine' pictures showing the parts you mentioned being used will be from), he has;
i) Removed the Schnitz controllers and the control is now being carried out by the Motec, as they produced an interface unit to drive the Pulsoids directly sometime last year.
ii) The hardware remains THE SAME as when I PERSONALLY FITTED THEM, from the bottles through to Pulsoids and on to the nitrous Discharge Tubes.
2) On HIS OWN Real Street bike (again I don't know what his customers are using), he has EXACTLY the same Pulsoid arrangement that was on his bike that was the first to run a 7s pass.
3) On his Pro Mod bike he has EXACTLY THE SAME set up as on his Pro Street bikes and I have recent pics he sent me to prove it CONCLUSIVELY.
HOWEVER, in the VERY NEAR FUTURE that will ALL change, as we've been working on an interface unit, that will allow the Motec unit to drive the REVO units, which is what Cecil really wanted ALL ALONG but until recently has not been possible.
For the past 2 years we've been working to create an interface unit, that will convert the signals from the Motec, in to suitable signals to drive the REVO's and the Busa I mentioned above (based in Finland that has just run 249 mph), proved that the unit is now working perfectly, as he was the first customer to use one of the latest design.
Motec USA have also been testing the interface unit for Cecil and they are also happy with the results, so the prototype unit they were testing (along with the REVO), are now on their way to Cecil for fitting to his Pro Mod bike ASAP.
By the end of the week we hope to have a small batch of these interface units built and 3 of them will be sent over to Cecil (along with 3 REVO units), which will be enough to have ALL Cecil's own race bikes fitted with REVO systems.
The final outcome will be 3 bikes using Motec controlled REVO systems (1 x Pro Mod & 2 x Pro Street) and 1 bike using an OEM ECU controlled REVO system (the Real Street bike).
Now I could just be making all this up and setting myself up to be exposed as a liar and a fool, when a few months down the line none of it happens, so feel free to make your own decision on it but I wouldn't bet any money on me being a liar if I were you. ;-)
BTW the 6.90 is going to be DESTROYED as soon as Cecil gets the Motec/REVO system working in sync and if he manages it in time, he should be the first to run a 3 in Pro Mod (under the CURRENT rules).
For your further information, you can expect some interesting announcements from Motec with regards to nitrous in the not too distant future and if you haven't heard already, we're forming a joint US corporation with an American based company (in Florida), to bring our products INTO the US market place, so it will be a “Made in USA product” before long. :twisted:
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I helped Dean Sabantenlli set the 218 mph Nitrous record 2 years ago on his ZX10.
BTW exactly what 'record' is that, because 218 mph sounds EXTREMELY LOW to be ANY kind of outright record to me?
He tested a 150 shot but backed it down to a 70 shot when he set he record.
That seems a strange thing to do unless he was expecting the nitrous to damage his engine. When my customers set records they INCREASE the power some more to break the record again, because they have NO WORRIES about engine failure.
I have sprayed a 200 shot through my 1525cc Busa motor but I am now spraying a 150 shot.
Why would you spray less if the 200 shot worked well??? Records are NOT achieved by spraying LESS!!!!!!
Richard Bell ran a 200 shot at Bonnevile about 4 years ago.
I have customers spraying FAR MORE than that on a regular basis, which is why we now offer 450 HP Pulsoids.
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I helped Dean Sabantenlli set the 218 mph Nitrous record 2 years ago on his ZX10.
BTW exactly what 'record' is that, because 218 mph sounds EXTREMELY LOW to be ANY kind of outright record to me?
He tested a 150 shot but backed it down to a 70 shot when he set he record.
That seems a strange thing to do unless he was expecting the nitrous to damage his engine. When my customers set records they INCREASE the power some more to break the record again, because they have NO WORRIES about engine failure.
I have sprayed a 200 shot through my 1525cc Busa motor but I am now spraying a 150 shot.
Why would you spray less if the 200 shot worked well??? Records are NOT achieved by spraying LESS!!!!!!
Richard Bell ran a 200 shot at Bonnevile about 4 years ago.
I have customers spraying FAR MORE than that on a regular basis, which is why we now offer 450 HP Pulsoids.
Dean Sabantenlli set the non pushrod 100cc record at Maxton with that bike I believe.
As for always adding more power to set records, I'm going to have do disagree that adding more power is always the way to set records. Sometimes backing off of the power and re-thinking a setup will net better results than just throwing power at it, especially with track conditions not always ideal.
Do you really have folks spraying far more than 200hp on the salt on a motorcycle application? If so, I am very interested to hear more about this. If someone is spraying anywhere close to 450hp in a steady state motorcycle application, I will be extremely impressed. What size bottle(s) were used for that? Seems it would require a 15-20lb bottle or at least a 10 lb with a pusher system.
BTW, Ashley Owens has been in the 3's and has the record at 3.964, set last september with his ProMod. Still 3's will be very impressive with a plain bearing engine.
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hehe.. come on john.. you know its possible to spray to 450hp! there is ways to reduce the violence of nitrous to make it perfectly safe at those levels and beyond.
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hehe.. come on john.. you know its possible to spray to 450hp! there is ways to reduce the violence of nitrous to make it perfectly safe at those levels and beyond.
Really??? This is news to me that anyone has been able to spray 400+ hp on a bike at or near steady state operation. I've never seen it, and as I noted, if it has been done, I am very impressed.
I'm not talking for 4 or 7 seconds, I am talking WOT for miles...Bonneville.
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Dean Sabantenlli set the non pushrod 100cc record at Maxton with that bike I believe.
I assume that's a typo and should be 1,000 cc record?
As for always adding more power to set records, I'm going to have do disagree that adding more power is always the way to set records. Sometimes backing off of the power and re-thinking a setup will net better results than just throwing power at it, especially with track conditions not always ideal.
Such issues as track conditions are 'a given' to anyone with even the smallest amount of experience, so I didn't see the need to mention those when making such a statement here. Furthermore, while that would be the case when you don't have the extensive and fine control that my systems benefit from, it would NOT be the case when you have such extensive control, because you'd ONLY adjust/reduce the PROGRESSION RATE up to peak power, rather than reduce the peak power itself. Without delivering the maximum amount of nitrous possible (at whatever progressive rate the track conditions allow), you'll never achieve the highest POSSIBLE speeds and I'm sure you'll agree with that.
Sure when you have a crude hard hitting nitrous delivery that blows the tire away whenever you activate at the full power the engine can handle, the ONLY way to run higher top speeds is to reduce the jet size but that's NOT an issue for my customers.
Having said all the above, there was no such reason given for making such a big reduction in power on either example given, hence the question.
Do you really have folks spraying far more than 200hp on the salt on a motorcycle application?
Salt is not something we have here in the UK (nor is it something most of my other international customers will ever encounter), so although I have some US based customers who race on salt, I wasn't confining my comments to such tracks. Unfortunately I don't have as much feedback as I'd like from some of my American salt racing customers, so if I'm to confine my answer to that type of track, I wouldn't be able to say for certain what power levels were being used.
If so, I am very interested to hear more about this. If someone is spraying anywhere close to 450hp in a steady state motorcycle application, I will be extremely impressed.
I've given most of the answer to this above but in addition I'd like to state, that I was NOT suggesting that just because we now make a 450 HP Pulsoid, that ANY of my bike customers are using the full capacity of them in any sport.
To my knowledge I have 2 US based Pro Mod bikes, which still have a good way to go, before doing so but now that Cecil is upgrading to REVO's he should be able to push the limits of what a nitrous motor can handle. Similarly, the LSR bike in Finland that I originally posted details about, has continuously increased the nitrous volume he uses and the results have improved in line with the increasing power. Hopefully by the time he gets to Bonneville this year, he'll be using as much nitrous as the motor can handle and producing speeds in excess of those that only turbo Busa's have achieved so far.
What size bottle(s) were used for that? Seems it would require a 15-20lb bottle or at least a 10 lb with a pusher system.
Although we offer push systems OUR customers no longer need them, as the REVO can self compensate/adjust/increase flow, to counter pressure drop in order to continue to deliver either a constant or even a rising quantity of nitrous VOLUME, regardless of the pressure changes during a run. BTW it cam also self adjust to maintain a target AFR throughout the run, regardless of pressure changes and changes in general running conditions.
For the same reasons although a larger bottle is beneficial, it isn't as essential as it is when using basic nitrous kits, with no ability to compensate for pressure drop.
BTW, Ashley Owens has been in the 3's and has the record at 3.964, set last september with his ProMod.
Yes I'm well aware of that but I guess you're not aware that the Pro Mod (Pro Extreme) rules were changed for this year, with there now being a minimum weight limit, at a higher level than Ashley was at when he ran a 3. That's why they are ALL struggling to run in the 4 zeros so far this year, therefore due to the new rules, the opportunity to be the first person to run a 3 is there for the taking, as the class rules are NOW.
Still 3's will be very impressive with a plain bearing engine.
Agreed and based on information from Cecil, very few Busa's are raced in Pro Mod, due to the fragility of certain aspects of the engine unit, so to run reliably in this class at a competative level (as Cecil has managed to do from day 1 of an ALL NEW bike), is a hell of a testimony to ALL the people involved and ALL the products being used, as I'm sure you'll agree.
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I'm not talking for 4 or 7 seconds, I am talking WOT for miles...Bonneville.
there is only 2 MAIN limitations with nitrous. 1) the amount of nitrous the bike can carry and 2) the fact that the cylinders aren't supercharged (which is being addressed) just like turbos can rid the problems they have in high boost.. so can nitrous users under high spray. if the engine can handle 650 turbo horsepower, it can handle 650 nitrous horsepower.. that has never been the case before now, but now the technology and control is there to make it happen. now wether you can get a total 650 out to the wheel is yet to be seen, as i said before, no super charging, but once that is solved, then were back to finding mechanical limits again, which last i check bigcc has a busa over 850hp. if they can do it.. so can nitrous.
unfortunately, and what most people dont understand, is that not any old nitrous kit can pull it off, it takes a very dialed in and even distribution to pull it off. along with a very clear understanding of what is happening and what changes are going to do before you do them. actually, in my opinion the hard part is making sure everything flows evenly... not stopping detonation or egt run away.. thats the easy part.
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I'm not talking for 4 or 7 seconds, I am talking WOT for miles...Bonneville.
there is only 2 MAIN limitations with nitrous. 1) the amount of nitrous the bike can carry and 2) the fact that the cylinders aren't supercharged (which is being addressed) just like turbos can rid the problems they have in high boost.. so can nitrous users under high spray. if the engine can handle 650 turbo horsepower, it can handle 650 nitrous horsepower.. that has never been the case before now, but now the technology and control is there to make it happen. now wether you can get a total 650 out to the wheel is yet to be seen, as i said before, no super charging, but once that is solved, then were back to finding mechanical limits again, which last i check bigcc has a busa over 850hp. if they can do it.. so can nitrous.
unfortunately, and what most people dont understand, is that not any old nitrous kit can pull it off, it takes a very dialed in and even distribution to pull it off. along with a very clear understanding of what is happening and what changes are going to do before you do them. actually, in my opinion the hard part is making sure everything flows evenly... not stopping detonation or egt run away.. thats the easy part.
Uh...ok., to that I would have to say...no shit :lol:.
What I am asking about is who is doing it now? I am not denying that it could be done, I have just never heard of anyone being able to make a motorcycle engine last that long at near steady state conditions, turbo, nitrous, plutonium, whatever.
Even spraying 200hp under nearly steady state conditions is a hige feat on a motorcycle engine.
I am referring to this
"Richard Bell ran a 200 shot at Bonnevile about 4 years ago."
"I have customers spraying FAR MORE than that on a regular basis, which is why we now offer 450 HP Pulsoids."
I assumed that meant under bonneville-like conditions and not just a 10 second burst. I am all ears for someone who has run anything close to 450hp on a motorcycle engine for extended durations. Like I said, just the bottle(s) size alone to do it is quite large for a motorcycle.
I don't do land speed racing. In drag racing, we don't use multiple pounds of nitrous per pass.
I am sure I could be an "internet expert" and look it up, or even do the calculations, but if someone knows off-hand, what are approximate real-world values of pounds mass nitrous per hp unit time required in high end applications? More specifically, how much nitrous is needed to make 400 hp for 1.5 minutes?
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ok your confusing me.. are you talking about making 450hp TOTAL or SPRAYING 450 hp?? no i don't know anyone using 450 "extra" because i dont think you can physically get that much in the chamber without super charging. but i do know there is well more than 200 on one bike in particular, albeit not a land speed bike. and i think trevor has one customer in particular that is using a large amount of nitrous on a busa for land speed..
you guys always have a argument for something LOL. if its not "you cant make that much horsepower" then its "the bottle wont hold enough" well the REVO and MAX has feature to open more as bottle pressure drops. that extends the range of a bottle considerably. if someone was trying to do boneville then no, you probably cant take enough nitrous with you unless its a stream liner or something where you have some good storage space for a couple 15 lb bottles.. no problem spraying it for 9 miles though.. if i had enough room, id try it.
as far as your "weight per hp" I have .176lbs for 5 seconds = 40 hp converted to .0352lb/40hp/sec simplified to .00088lb/hp/sec ( full flow) i think thats right.. LOL.. (btw, im willing to bet .176lbsfor 5 seconds will equal more than 40hp but these are the tried and true numbers for pulsoids)
thats not a magic number though, your delivery system can change that number massively. for a nx kit and NOSzles that number is much higher since they have to use more nitrous to make the same horsepower.
according to that you would need 35.64lbs of nitrous to use a full flow of 450hp for 90 seconds. ...3 15lb bottles assuming you cant completely empty the bottles..
just for fun, for a quarter mile, you would only need 2.772lbs , but that assuming you use full flow for a full 7 seconds, your not gonna put that much power down at the start so lets assume 5 seconds full power and 2 seconds half power and you only need. 2.376 ... get you a 3 lb bottle and your good.
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Uh...ok., to that I would have to say...no shit :lol:.
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What I am asking about is who is doing it now? I am not denying that it could be done, I have just never heard of anyone being able to make a motorcycle engine last that long at near steady state conditions, turbo, nitrous, plutonium, whatever.
Even spraying 200hp under nearly steady state conditions is a hige feat on a motorcycle engine.
I am referring to this
"Richard Bell ran a 200 shot at Bonnevile about 4 years ago."
"I have customers spraying FAR MORE than that on a regular basis, which is why we now offer 450 HP Pulsoids."
I assumed that meant under bonneville-like conditions and not just a 10 second burst. I am all ears for someone who has run anything close to 450hp on a motorcycle engine for extended durations. Like I said, just the bottle(s) size alone to do it is quite large for a motorcycle.
I'm disappointed that you've repeated all the above matters, as I dealt with them ALL in great detail in my first response to you. I've shown you respect by reading EVERY WORD of your posts and I'd appreciate it if you'd be good enough to return that respect by reading mine, as it would save us both a great deal of time.
I don't do land speed racing. In drag racing, we don't use multiple pounds of nitrous per pass.
I am sure I could be an "internet expert" and look it up, or even do the calculations, but if someone knows off-hand, what are approximate real-world values of pounds mass nitrous per hp unit time required in high end applications? More specifically, how much nitrous is needed to make 400 hp for 1.5 minutes?
I could tell you the answer to that but it wouldn't mean anything to you, because it ONLY applies to OUR systems and AS I'VE ALREADY STATED (but you don't seem to have read), our REVO system UTILISES MUCH MORE nitrous from a given bottle size than ANY kit you are familiar with.
For example; If you were to take ANY of the nitrous bikes you are familiar with, the pressure might start at say 1,000 psi but would instantly start falling at roughly 100 psi per 5 to 10 secs and at an escalating rate. To keep things simple that means the VOLUME of flow is dropping by roughly 10% at that rate. That alone results in a power drop but because the fuel delivery is likely to remain relatively constant, the actual power drop is MUCH more, due to excess richness. At some point the power loss caused by the excess richness, neutralises any potential power available from the nitrous but even if the mixture was maintained at a correct level, the power would ultimately fall to a very low level due to pressure drop alone.
The result of all this, is that NONE of the nitrous is used EFFICIENTLY at the intended mixture ratio and therefore MOST of the bottle contents are WASTED.
ALL THOSE PROBLEMS APPLY TO ALL THE KITS YOU ARE AWARE OF - THEY DO 'NOT' APPLY TO OUR REVO SYSTEMS. Our REVO systems (AS STATED IN MY PREVIOUS POST), have the UNIQUE ability to self adjust the flow rate to;
1) Maintain the nitrous flow VOLUME at the required rate REGARDLESS of pressure drop
2) As a consequence the mixture stays at the correct ratio and the power continues to climb at the required rate.
The result in this case, is that ALL the nitrous is used EFFICIENTLY at the intended ratio and therefore ALL the bottle LIQUID contents are PUT TO MAXIMUM USE.
I hope you'll read this post and come back with some new points, rather than waste more time repeating matters that I've already dealt with - Thankyou.
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Ok, I was hoping it (once again) wouldn't come to a pissing match as it almost always does with anyone who asks for simple facts or data to back up the claims Trevor, but as usual, you have yet to answer anything or provide any real data. It is the same as always....it just works....it only works if you use my unobtainable systems, only with the Revo, the data doesn't work anywhere else so I won't post it, no one else can use nitrous, you aren't reading and just ask the same questions, on and on and on.
I am still interested in who is spraying "far more" than 200 hp, at Bonneville or equal per your response to Gixx1300R claiming 200hp being used at Bonneville 4 years ago. Since one of your pulseoids that has sort of been available for awhile is advertised to flow 250hp, and you state you needed to offer a 450hp version. Does that not imply that more than 250Hp is being used in a near steady state condition? Since I am incapable of reading what has already been typed, please re-type to information relating to near steady state use at over 250 hp on a motorcycle so those of us that just aren't able to comprehend data on your level can absorb it.
If you desire your personal message offer for more information relating to an alleged new US distributor to be taken seriously at all, one would think you would want to provide data, if available, rather than simply state that it works "just because".
John
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lol..
these threads always get funny
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lol..
these threads always get funny
It's not meant to be funny. It is simple claims verses data.
I found it quite difficult to believe that amount of nitrous could successfully be used in a near steady state condition on a motorcycle. Of course I had doubt, but I surely didn't say it couldn't be done.
I was hoping there were data to back it up as that is a great accomplishment. i have yet to see anything of the sort. Even your own posts JC show how unique the system would need to be to do this.
If legitimate claims were made, there would be no issue with sharing the data and to back it up, other than resorting to superiority responses every time rather than providing reasonable data.
I hope the claims are valid as it is great to see advances in the sport.
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i know it would be hard to do.. thats not whats funny.. whats funny is that even if trevor did give the data... it would just be shrugged off.. just like it was when i showed the egt data over on 1320... so whats the point????
if i were going to try and run land speed, i would want to use the system the system that turned the least amount of nitrous into the most amount of horsepower, and IN MY EXPERIENCE AND OPINION, i dont think any other company comes close to WON. and definitely not the REVO. and like i have said before.. i have never seen a person use WON and give them a fair shot, that then gave them up.. (unless they just happen to want a chunk of aluminum thats happiest at 15 hz... lol sorry couldnt resist)
far as im concerned, thats really all that matters... :tu:
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Ok, I was hoping it (once again) wouldn't come to a pissing match as it almost always does with anyone who asks for simple facts or data to back up the claims Trevor, but as usual, you have yet to answer anything or provide any real data.
YOU'VE GOT TO BE JOKING, RIGHT???? Either that or you're choosing to IGNORE the entire contents of my DETAILED replies to your posts. Furthermore, my website and my forum are FULL OF DATA, but I bet you didn't even bother to read the link to the ONE thread I sent you, as you haven't had time to do so.
DON'T accuse me of not providing data or starting a pissing contest, when the actual cause of the situation is that you can't be arsed to read the data and general responses I've provided.
It is the same as always....
What "always" is that, because as far as I'm aware (as I've NO IDEA who you are), I've NEVER spoken with you before, so what "always" are you referring to???
it just works....it only works if you use my unobtainable systems,
"Unobtainable" systems!!!!! :hys: They are far from unobtainable (how do you think Cecil is able to use FOUR of them for ALL his own bikes), although you will have to wait a good few months before you'd get to the front of the growing queue of orders for them.
Also how do you think the guy in Finland got hold of the FIVE systems he and his customers are using or the other guys ALL OVER THE WORLD who are using growing quantities of our REVO systems?????
only with the Revo,
You're OBVIOUSLY unable to understand what the REVO does, despite my numerous attempts to explain it to you in the SIMPLEST terms, otherwise you wouldn't have this attitude and you'd be marvelling at what it can do instead.
No doubt this will be a complete waste of time as you OBVIOUSLY have NOT bothered to read (and and more importantly understand), ANYTHING I've posted but I'll give you one last chance to get your head round the REVO technology, as EVERYTHING anyone could ever want to know about it, can be found here (ALL the DATA you could ask for); http://www.noswizard.com/index.php/revo-system
If you bother to look to the bottom of the page, you'll see pictures of one of Cecil Towners Pro Street bikes with the REVO system fitted, as it will be in a few weeks time.
the data doesn't work anywhere else so I won't post it,
If you don't like THE TRUTH and can't understand the technology I'm talking about, that's your problem not mine. The FACT REMAINS, the data that applies to the REVO systems, DOES NOT APPLY to ANY of the gear you're using and you'd do well to go away and try and understand WHY THAT'S THE CASE, rather than come back here with a bad attitude.
no one else can use nitrous, you aren't reading and just ask the same questions, on and on and on.
OBVIOUSLY ANYONE "can use nitrous" it's CHILDS PLAY but just like ANYTHING else in life, some people DO IT BETTER than the rest, that's just a FACT OF LIFE!!!!
I am still interested in who is spraying "far more" than 200 hp, at Bonneville or equal per your response to Gixx1300R claiming 200hp being used at Bonneville 4 years ago. Since one of your pulseoids that has sort of been available for awhile is advertised to flow 250hp, and you state you needed to offer a 450hp version. Does that not imply that more than 250Hp is being used in a near steady state condition? Since I am incapable of reading what has already been typed, please re-type to information relating to near steady state use at over 250 hp on a motorcycle so those of us that just aren't able to comprehend data on your level can absorb it.
I've already posted a DETAILLED AND EXTREMELY CLEAR reply to that question, so once again TRY READING MY REPLIES (and understanding them), if you REALLY WANT the asnwers. It strikes me that your ONLY reason for posting, is to try and waste my time repeating my replies and you've NO interest in ANY of the information I'm providing. If you're happy to be stuck in the Drak Age of outdated 50 year old nitrous technology, that's fine by me but I've got better things to do than waste my time trying to educate someone who 'THINKS' they already KNOW IT ALL.
If you desire your personal message offer for more information relating to an alleged new US distributor to be taken seriously at all, one would think you would want to provide data, if available, rather than simply state that it works "just because".
Feel free to ignore my offer in the PM, as I was being over generous giving you such an opportunity anyway. You are also welcome to disbelieve every word I've ever typed, as it's NO LOSS TO ME, while your loss could be HUGE, as your business in outdated nitrous products, will be drying up over the coming years, as it gets replaced with our REVO technology.
Why you think I would waste my time fabricating untrue stories about our impending new US corporation (based in Florida), I can't imagine but if you'd like to give our new American partner a call to verify it with him, I'd be happy to give you his personal number.
In conclusion; I've provided you with ample data, plus sources of more data than you could absorb in a life time and I've answered ALL your questions in great detail. Therefore, if you're still unable to grasp what I've provided, so be it, as I'm not wasting time on any further replies to the same matters.
Thankfully there are PLENTY of other American's who FULLY APRECIATE what the REVO can do and they are DESPERATE to buy them (which is one of the reasons we're moving the business to Florida ASAP), so you not being one of them is no big deal to me. Like I said before, YOUR LOSS NOT MINE!!!! :wink:
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As I just posted on the Wizards fearing Dragnos post on psychobike, I am glad I have a turbo bike and not nitrous. Seems all of the nitrous suppliers are all cocky and all have the "best" product.
I think the dragon may kill a few wizards, and some wizards will slay dragons. But the rest of the world will never know because the suppliers will just talk down to potential customers time and time again, and folks will get turned off by it.
We turbocharged folks will go play nicely and help each other out at the track. You bottle guys can go have at it (and I always thought inhaling nitrous made people happier...guess I didn't read that part well enough either...) :tu:
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I've followed your website for years Trevor. I've read the posts on your site as well as many others from you about WON (as well as other about other systems). In fact, I even attempted to purchase some of your products in the past, without success (I will say, I did not make an attempt to purchase direct form you in the UK though). I have not been able to find them available (this is in reference to pulseoids). I believe even JC had a plan to supply the products as discussed on turbobikes.org some time ago, and that also evaporated.
I wish you the best in your future work, and hope you are able to increase your rate of supply to make the products more obtainable in the future. I truly hope your products live up to the hype. I also hope that in the future, you can make an attempt to talk more toward potential customers, and assist them, rather than talking down to them.
John
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As I just posted on the Wizards fearing Dragnos post on psychobike, I am glad I have a turbo bike and not nitrous. Seems all of the nitrous suppliers are all cocky and all have the "best" product.
I think the dragon may kill a few wizards, and some wizards will slay dragons. But the rest of the world will never know because the suppliers will just talk down to potential customers time and time again, and folks will get turned off by it.
We turbocharged folks will go play nicely and help each other out at the track. You bottle guys can go have at it (and I always thought inhaling nitrous made people happier...guess I didn't read that part well enough either...) :tu:
:tu: :tu: You don't notice Richard rcc getting on here and downing other turbo kits etcc....Beacause his PRODUCT IS PROVEN,the ones that has nothing to do but talk about other companies and how there stuff is crap yata yata is worried about competition and must not have enough confidence in there own shit,Let the customers decide. I don't care if noswizard was the last nitrous kit available and he gave me the kit for free,I would not run it because he seems to be a straight DICK.
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I've followed your website for years Trevor. I've read the posts on your site as well as many others from you about WON (as well as other about other systems). In fact, I even attempted to purchase some of your products in the past, without success (I will say, I did not make an attempt to purchase direct form you in the UK though). I have not been able to find them available (this is in reference to pulseoids). I believe even JC had a plan to supply the products as discussed on turbobikes.org some time ago, and that also evaporated.
I wish you the best in your future work, and hope you are able to increase your rate of supply to make the products more obtainable in the future. I truly hope your products live up to the hype. I also hope that in the future, you can make an attempt to talk more toward potential customers, and assist them, rather than talking down to them.
John
yeah unfortunately i got the shit end of that deal at the shop i helped get off the ground.. go figure.. but john, i have recommended a large number of people to buy pulsoids, and they all have them, so any incident in which you couldnt get your hands on them can not be based on the fact they arent availble.. the certainly are.. as a matter of fact of got a set up pusloids ill sell right not so i can update to newer ones. LOL
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:tu: :tu: You don't notice Richard rcc getting on here and downing other turbo kits etcc....Beacause his PRODUCT IS PROVEN,the ones that has nothing to do but talk about other companies and how there stuff is crap yata yata is worried about competition and must not have enough confidence in there own shit,Let the customers decide. I don't care if noswizard was the last nitrous kit available and he gave me the kit for free,I would not run it because he seems to be a straight DICK.
please tell me who holds the fastest et in PST.. and what power adder and brand are they using..
btw.. if you actually "try" to peek at some peoples bikes when you go to the track, you will see more pulsoids than you would think. they are out there in force. you just have to look and most of the people that have them dont talk about it. they just go fast and win.
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:tu: :tu: You don't notice Richard rcc getting on here and downing other turbo kits etcc....Beacause his PRODUCT IS PROVEN,the ones that has nothing to do but talk about other companies and how there stuff is crap yata yata is worried about competition and must not have enough confidence in there own shit,Let the customers decide. I don't care if noswizard was the last nitrous kit available and he gave me the kit for free,I would not run it because he seems to be a straight DICK.
:hys: What makes you think I'd want someone as dumb as you for a customer??? :hys:
Learn some FACTS before you mouth off and as I've already stated on this thread many times and as JC has just repeated, our products are already WELL PROVEN on not only Cecil Towners WORLD RECORD DESTROYING bikes but many others all over the world. As for being "worried about the competition" :hys: Feel free to point me to ANY company that has a product that can 'compete' with our REVO system and before you waste my time posting a dumb ass reply, please take the time to read what the REVO is and what it can do.
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I could give a dam what it does,even if it is a great product you show no class and I would never buy from you ,or recommend you
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I could give a dam what it does,even if it is a great product you show no class and I would never buy from you ,or recommend you
and i will run you the fug over... :hys: i love guys like you ... you help me pay my rent
thats like saying im not gonna eat at the best steak house in town cuz one of the waitresses is a bitch.. lol.. fuck the waitress, give me the horsepower.. Trev is a good guy, that will tell you anything you need to know and will help you in anyways he can. yall just gotta stop being so negative to see the other side of him.
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It does not matter,someone posted chuck wilburn is a great nitrous guy,Trevor downgraded the man because of his website.what kind of great person does that.You keep paying your RENT you nut rider while I will keep paying my Mortgage .
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It does not matter,someone posted chuck wilburn is a great nitrous guy,Trevor downgraded the man because of his website.what kind of great person does that.You keep paying your RENT you nut rider while I will keep paying my Mortgage .
nut rider :hys: how original...
...you want a fuckin cookie cuz you own a house now? i bought my house when i was 21... how does the rent vs mortgage have anything to do with anything other than you just want to be argumentative.
tell you what, why dont you just stop runnin your pole puffer cuz you obviously have nothing smart or nice to say.. k..thanks.
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I don't care if noswizard was the last nitrous kit available and he gave me the kit for free,I would not run it because he seems to be a straight DICK.
Yep, spot on, and beat me to it. My thoughts exactly. :tu:
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It does not matter,someone posted chuck wilburn is a great nitrous guy,Trevor downgraded the man because of his website.what kind of great person does that.You keep paying your RENT you nut rider while I will keep paying my Mortgage .
nut rider :hys: how original...
...you want a fuckin cookie cuz you own a house now? i bought my house when i was 21... how does the rent vs mortgage have anything to do with anything other than you just want to be argumentative.
tell you what, why dont you just stop runnin your pole puffer cuz you obviously have nothing smart or nice to say.. k..thanks.
How about you shut your CUM DUMPSTER BITCH ,And I bought my house when I was 19 And I am only 25,but that has nothing to do with this topic. All I stated is if your product is as good as you claim let them speak for there selves. Do not knock the next man because you feel that he don't know shit. That shows no class what so ever at all.
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I've followed your website for years Trevor. I've read the posts on your site as well as many others from you about WON (as well as other about other systems).
If that's the case I would have hoped you would have already got a greater understanding of what we offer, than seems to be the case by your recent posts.
In fact, I even attempted to purchase some of your products in the past, without success (I will say, I did not make an attempt to purchase direct form you in the UK though). I have not been able to find them available (this is in reference to pulseoids).
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I wish you the best in your future work,
Very kind of you and makes me concerned that we may have had a misunderstanding.
and hope you are able to increase your rate of supply to make the products more obtainable in the future.
We're constantly increasing production of all our parts, to try and match demand but as we step up, so does demand.
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I could give a dam what it does,even if it is a great product you show no class and I would never buy from you ,or recommend you
:hys: :hys: I can't tell you how happy I am to hear that as it shows how dumb you are, to care more about the guy selling the product, than how much quicker the product would make your bike. :hys: :hys:
I thought only women were that stupid. :hys: :hys:
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thats like saying im not gonna eat at the best steak house in town cuz one of the waitresses is a bitch.. lol.. fuck the waitress, give me the horsepower..
:hys: :hys: JC you crack me up but how VERY TRUE!!! :hys: :hys:
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That shows no class what so ever at all.
Since when did 'class' become more important than THE TRUTH?????
So I take it you'd rather take the advice from somebody who knows NOTHING but tells you in a classy way, than take the advice of someone who knows a great deal more but has no class???
And people wonder why I'm VERY PLEASED when someone who makes an INSANE statements like that, tells me they would never buy my products, well all I can say is THANK THE LORD!!!!!
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Yep, spot on, and beat me to it. My thoughts exactly. :tu:
So glad to hear YOU won't be wasting any of my time.
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No, I wont waste your time. I find all of this very sad, we need to respect each other and be stronger as a group. But you, as a business owner, surprise me that you think talking down to potential customers and acting the way you do is ok. It's not ok. I hope someday you will realize this, so if you're products are truly as good as you state people will seriously consider using them instead of staying away because of your attitude. I won't stoop down to the level of calling you names and making comments at your expense, that is a waste of time.
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It does not matter,someone posted chuck wilburn is a great nitrous guy,Trevor downgraded the man because of his website.what kind of great person does that.You keep paying your RENT you nut rider while I will keep paying my Mortgage .
nut rider :hys: how original...
...you want a fuckin cookie cuz you own a house now? i bought my house when i was 21... how does the rent vs mortgage have anything to do with anything other than you just want to be argumentative.
tell you what, why dont you just stop runnin your pole puffer cuz you obviously have nothing smart or nice to say.. k..thanks.
How about you shut your CUM DUMPSTER BITCH ,And I bought my house when I was 19 And I am only 25,but that has nothing to do with this topic. All I stated is if your product is as good as you claim let them speak for there selves. Do not knock the next man because you feel that he don't know shit. That shows no class what so ever at all.
lol... man its so fun when you guys get all worked up...
run a 7 and come talk to me
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No, I wont waste your time. I find all of this very sad, we need to respect each other and be stronger as a group. But you, as a business owner, surprise me that you think talking down to potential customers and acting the way you do is ok. It's not ok. I hope someday you will realize this, so if you're products are truly as good as you state people will seriously consider using them instead of staying away because of your attitude. I won't stoop down to the level of calling you names and making comments at your expense, that is a waste of time.
thomas, (as i assume is your name) there is no need to read just a few post and peoples opinoins and get the wrong idea.. trevor makes THE BEST product.. as stated not only by me but also by the fastest team on two wheels. And trevor will answer any question you have and help you however he can, so long as you are respectful.. one thing trevor DOES NOT do, is lie. you guys have to remember, he has a lot of past experiances we dont have and just happens to have the personality that says what he feels.. ive seen people take offense to things, that once you know trevor, you would realize he is not trying to be offensive. the problem is people dont take it that far, they just act like sheople and decide not to get to know him and at they same time bring down his products.
aside from that, the simple fact is that no one makes stuff as good as trevor, and wether you like him or not, thats indisputable, i dont give a shit how long NX has been around. I will encourage you to go to trevors web site, and read and ask questions and your mind will change in just a short time. i had the same opinion everyone else did until i got to know the man. but now its starting to get annoying that people are letting personal feelings get in the way of real world advancement of our sport.
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It does not matter,someone posted chuck wilburn is a great nitrous guy,Trevor downgraded the man because of his website.what kind of great person does that.You keep paying your RENT you nut rider while I will keep paying my Mortgage .
nut rider :hys: how original...
...you want a fuckin cookie cuz you own a house now? i bought my house when i was 21... how does the rent vs mortgage have anything to do with anything other than you just want to be argumentative.
tell you what, why dont you just stop runnin your pole puffer cuz you obviously have nothing smart or nice to say.. k..thanks.
How about you shut your CUM DUMPSTER BITCH ,And I bought my house when I was 19 And I am only 25,but that has nothing to do with this topic. All I stated is if your product is as good as you claim let them speak for there selves. Do not knock the next man because you feel that he don't know shit. That shows no class what so ever at all.
lol... man its so fun when you guys get all worked up...
run a 7 and come talk to me
:hys: I could never get worked up over computer talk lol. I just call it like I see it. So now you saying no guys have went 7s with out a revo,you are really a trip.
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It does not matter,someone posted chuck wilburn is a great nitrous guy,Trevor downgraded the man because of his website.what kind of great person does that.You keep paying your RENT you nut rider while I will keep paying my Mortgage .
nut rider :hys: how original...
...you want a fuckin cookie cuz you own a house now? i bought my house when i was 21... how does the rent vs mortgage have anything to do with anything other than you just want to be argumentative.
tell you what, why dont you just stop runnin your pole puffer cuz you obviously have nothing smart or nice to say.. k..thanks.
How about you shut your CUM DUMPSTER BITCH ,And I bought my house when I was 19 And I am only 25,but that has nothing to do with this topic. All I stated is if your product is as good as you claim let them speak for there selves. Do not knock the next man because you feel that he don't know shit. That shows no class what so ever at all.
lol... man its so fun when you guys get all worked up...
run a 7 and come talk to me
:hys: I could never get worked up over computer talk lol. I just call it like I see it. So now you saying no guys have went 7s with out a revo,you are really a trip.
that aint what i said.. i said YOU go run a 7 then come talk to me. tired of hearing your mouth and figured it might take you a while..
side note.. chassis set up helps alot, that wheelie in your avatar aint how you get it done..
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No, I wont waste your time. I find all of this very sad, we need to respect each other and be stronger as a group.
OK so where was the respect from you??? You join in this thread for no good reason with nothing positive to contribute and support some other guys disrespectful comment and then have the nerve to claim 'respect' is needed - WHAT A JOKE!!!!
But you, as a business owner, surprise me that you think talking down to potential customers and acting the way you do is ok.
:hys: Why do you think that being a businessman means I have to act any differently to anyone else????
Furthermore, I'm NOT talking down to "potential customers" as like you they have proclaimed NEVER TO BE A CUSTOMER, so I'm only talking down to FOOLS who I have no concern for.
It's not ok. I hope someday you will realize this,
Who the hell do you think you are to tell me how to act????? I strongly suggest you look at how YOU act and concentrate your efforts on self improvement, rather than telling ANYONE else how they should act.
so if you're products are truly as good as you state people will seriously consider using them instead of staying away because of your attitude.
IF people were staying away from buying my products why do you think an American company, is buying half of my business and forming a US based Corporation, specifically to help meet the HUGE demand we have from the US. You might also like to explain why are we establishing more and more agents across the world (in countries like Japan, Russia, Australia, etc.) at a time of a global economic ressession, if we aren't selling more and more products.
For every FOOL who mouths off against me on a forum, there are TEN smart guys who don't waste time responding, because they go straight to our website and BUY our products instead.
I never cease to marvel at the ARROGANCE of people like you, who 'THINK' that 'everyone' thinks the same way you do, so let me enlighten you, very few people think the same way about anything, so you can be sure that for every thought you have, there will be someone who has the opposite thought. :id:
I won't stoop down to the level of calling you names and making comments at your expense, that is a waste of time.
:hys: :hys: No you just let someone else do it for you and then make a post agreeing with it - as you did with your first post and all that proves is that you're lazy and NOT that you're any less disrespectful than the guy who made the original post.
Now go and play the high and mighty somewhere else and save your self righteous comments for someone who's dumb enough to listen to you.
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JC don't put yourself on the line for me but just so you know, I do appreciate your positive comments.
Something I'm sure most people aren't aware of, is that NX are a relatively NEW company compared to mine (Nx about 20 years on the go WON 35 years in the business) and they probably don't know that when NX first started they were buying and selling some of OUR products under their own name. They also tested our Pulsoids and were so impressed that they also wanted to buy/sell them but they wanted them at the same price as their generic junk, so I didn't do the deal. It was AFTER I refused to sell them Pulsoids and after they inspected them, that they TRIED to make copies, which is why their current solenoid has an alloy base. If you were to look back to before they were buying our products, you'd see their adverts claimed that their STAINLESS STEEL solenoids were the best but after I taught them why alloy was better and they decided to copy them, they stopped making that claim.
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No, I wont waste your time. I find all of this very sad, we need to respect each other and be stronger as a group. But you, as a business owner, surprise me that you think talking down to potential customers and acting the way you do is ok. It's not ok. I hope someday you will realize this, so if you're products are truly as good as you state people will seriously consider using them instead of staying away because of your attitude. I won't stoop down to the level of calling you names and making comments at your expense, that is a waste of time.
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I should have said "your", not "you're"
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I should have said "your", not "you're"
:hys: Love the way you FAIL to either accept my comments and apologise or come back with a reason argument :hys:
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No, I wont waste your time. I find all of this very sad, we need to respect each other and be stronger as a group. But you, as a business owner, surprise me that you think talking down to potential customers and acting the way you do is ok. It's not ok. I hope someday you will realize this, so if you're products are truly as good as you state people will seriously consider using them instead of staying away because of your attitude. I won't stoop down to the level of calling you names and making comments at your expense, that is a waste of time.
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No, I wont waste your time. I find all of this very sad, we need to respect each other and be stronger as a group. But you, as a business owner, surprise me that you think talking down to potential customers and acting the way you do is ok. It's not ok. I hope someday you will realize this, so if you're products are truly as good as you state people will seriously consider using them instead of staying away because of your attitude. I won't stoop down to the level of calling you names and making comments at your expense, that is a waste of time.
:hys: Looks like you've got your finger stuck on the copy and paste buttons!!! :hys:
Looks like you can't come up with an ORIGINAL excuse for your presence on this thread, not even a pathetic one.
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One more time:
No, I wont waste your time. I find all of this very sad, we need to respect each other and be stronger as a group. But you, as a business owner, surprise me that you think talking down to potential customers and acting the way you do is ok. It's not ok. I hope someday you will realize this, so if you're products are truly as good as you state people will seriously consider using them instead of staying away because of your attitude. I won't stoop down to the level of calling you names and making comments at your expense, that is a waste of time.
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I won't be goaded into a pissing match with you. Good luck in your endeavors.
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I was directed to your posts about your 'AMAZING' new solenoid on Psychobike forum but as I'm not allowed to post on there 'YET', I can't make a post in response to THE GARBAGE you're posting there and as you've avoided making any further responses to my posts on this thread, you've so far managed to delay giving me the opportunity, to further expose your lack of nitrous knowledge, in contradiction to the extensive knowledge you claim to have.
Consequently, I've decided to expose your limited knowledge here and now.
Until recently I'd had very little to do with Bill Vose but after reading his posts in response to your garbage, it became OBVIOUS to me, that HE is a very well informed guy (specifically about nitrous component design and use) and ALL the points he made about the issues with 'your' solenoid are absolutely correct and he exposes you for having NO UNDERSTANDING of ANY aspect of solenoid design.
As I've told you before, I DUMPED the exact same design of solenoid MANY YEARS AGO, because it is flawed in a number of respects and NOTHING you can do will change that.
Even IF you manage to make that solenoid work at all, to flow the 800 HP of nitrous you 'claim' it can flow, it will require a HUGE amount of current, which will cause a huge bunch of other problems.
What really makes me laugh, is how you MAKE OUT that you and ONLY YOU are creating something 'new' to advance nitrous technology but even if you were creating an original masterpiece of that solenoid, it is ALREADY OBSOLETE, as the REVO is LIGHT YEARS in advance ANY solenoid and just like ALL other solenoids, they will be run out of town when the REVO hits the US market in full flow.
Furthermore, I'll bet you $10,000 that however your solenoid performs, our Pulsoids will perform better, so even if we leave the REVO out of the contest, you're on an outright loser.
Now you were obviously very eager to enter a debate with Bill Vose on Psycho bike (I assume that was because he feels obliged to be 'polite' in such situations), so lets see you try the same with me or better still, lets have the debate on MY forum and I'll invite Bill Vose to join in and you'll have the chance to prove us both wrong. :hys: :hys: :hys: :hys: :hys: :hys:
I've started a thread specifically inviting you to show us all what you got and explain why anyone should buy it, rather than a Pulsoid, so please don't let us down as you'll have an expectant audience waiting. :hys:
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GOT DAYUM... my man said 10 stacks!! .
...and hosted the event :hys:
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I won't be goaded into a pissing match with you. Good luck in your endeavors.
:hys: Such a shame for you, that there's nobody elses disrespectful post for you to agree with AGAIN. :hys:
Wise move to avoid a pissing contest with me though (and avoid dealing with any of the factual points I made), at least that shows you're smart enough to know YOU'D LOSE.
Should you ever feel superior enough again, to take me on in any way based on FACTS, feel free to come looking for me on my own forum and I'd be happy to show you how little you know. :hys:
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As I just posted on the Wizards fearing Dragnos post on psychobike, I am glad I have a turbo bike and not nitrous. Seems all of the nitrous suppliers are all cocky and all have the "best" product.
I think the dragon may kill a few wizards, and some wizards will slay dragons. But the rest of the world will never know because the suppliers will just talk down to potential customers time and time again, and folks will get turned off by it.
I let this post ride originally, because I hadn't seen the thread you were referring to. I've now read it but before I respond directly to it, I'd like to deal with a linked issue.
I'm often accused of;
1) Claiming I'm the only person who understands nitrous technology
2) Of hating American's when I make any negative comments against and American nitrous company.
I've always responded to the first by saying that I'll gladly proclaim the fact that I've encountered a well informed nitrous guy if and when I meet them.
In response to the second, I always say I tell it like it is and if I ever find a well designed nitrous product made by any American nitrous company I'd be happy to say so, as I've done about the Wilson Y-shaped distribution blocks.
With the above in mind and in response to your post, I'd like to say the following;
1) The reason nitrous oxide vehicles have to be handicapped, is because so many dumbass fools 'think' they are 'experts' at nitrous, when they actually know nothing.
2) Unfortunately many of those people are involved in making badly conceived nitrous products, that will never allow nitrous oxide to reach its full potential.
3) To prevent this situation continuing, those 'experts' need to be EXPOSED for their lack of knowledge, to prevent them misleading even more people.
In the thread you refer to, Billy Vose was TRYING to point out that the solenoid being claimed to be superior to all others, could be NOTHING OF THE KIND, in order to stop gullible people being sucked in to buying them and he was ENTIRELY CORRECT in ALL his FACTS.
As a consequence of reading that post, I contacted Billy and spent a couple of hours talking to him and it was blatantly obvious to me, that HE is the most knowledgeable person on nitrous system design and function, that I've ever spoken to and deserves due credit for that. So please remember this statement, the next time someone falsely accuses me of refusing to acknowledge, when someone has a high degree of nitrous knowledge.
Then I'd also like you to consider, that I've spoken to MOST people who 'THINK' they are nitrous 'EXPERTS', which include the heads of ALL the nitrous companies and NONE of them come close to Billy Vose.
And finally I'd like you to consider that BOTH Billy Vose and I are in 100% agreement, that the guy claiming to have created this latest greatest solenoid, is full of shit and doesn't even understand the difference between frequency and Pulse Width Modulation, so there's no way on this planet, that a solenoid he has 'created' will work as well as it should or as well as even a generic solenoid.
What you overlook when you compare nitrous to turbo's is that it's IMPOSSIBLE for a 2 bit dumb ass fool to manufacture a garbage turbo and make FALSE claims about its superiority but it's a breeze to knock out garbage nitrous products by the 1,000s and claim whatever you want.
When people realise that to create the BEST nitrous products is as difficult as manufacturing a turbo, THEN there may be an end to JUST ANYBODY making FALSE claims to produce the best nitrous products, because people will realise that only an outstanding company could do that, and the rest are BS merchants.
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But I will say thanks for advertising my Solenoids here. I hadnt mentioned them in this site and hadnt planned to. Thanks again.
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I agree with you Trevor, in Billy Vose knowing a great deal about nitrous. As I noted in the other post, he also makes a decent potato salad which he brings to the track on occasion, although the high temperatures will likely preclude a potato salad diet at the upcoming MIROCK meet at MIR. One of his main hold backs throughout his racing and development have been rulebooks under which he must operate, quenching quite a few of his ideas before they ever reached further development (in some cases, never making it out of his head due to his acknowledgement that the rules would not allow the concept).
As for the turbo's, it is certainly possible for junk turbo systems to be manufactured. The turbocharger itself is a bit more robust than the typical "nitrous" solenoid, but the rest of the system components can be botched quite easily (especially in the very low quantity motorcycle market).
There is very little engineering or engineering principles to be found in the aftermarket and racing world as you are well aware. Billy understands the fundamentals very well. Taking nothing away from Cecil, I believe it would be a great asset to your legacy and the racing world in general should you continue your conversations with Billy.
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Yes I'm always told I shouldn't waste my time on people like you for that very reason, so thank you for reminding me of the potential consequences. However, as I'm far from "stupid" that's not an excuse for YOU to avoid a debate with me, now is it!!!!
Funny how you were extremely zealous to argue with Billy but you run scared from me but I guess that's because I've beat your dumb ass so many times already, so you know you have NO CHANCE.
Furthermore, as you make such impressive claims for your solenoids and your knowledge, I'd have thought you'd have JUMPED at the chance to prove you and yours are better than me and mine, even without a $10,000 incentive, so the ONLY explanation for you passing up such a golden opportunity, is that YOU KNOW you're full of bullshit and don't stand a chance of winning.
I'll tell you what, lets raise the bet to $25,000 and as you live in Florida and my new US company base is just round the corner, I'll have my American business partner call round and arrange it with you.
Since I hardly know Billy Vose I think it would be fair if we asked him to set the rules and to judge the results, so we have an independent judge who is a REAL EXPERT to make the decision.
Oh and BTW when I've beat your solenoid in to oblivion with my Pulsoids, I'll show you how SUPERIOR a REAL technologically advanced product performs.
The invitation to my forum still stand and I've now added your latest AMAZING high tech pic :hys: :hys: but don't get excited, because anyone who reads my forum is far too smart to be fooled by your bullshit, so don't expect any sales from the exposure, just a bunch of hysterical laughter.
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I agree with you Trevor, in Billy Vose knowing a great deal about nitrous.
I'm very pleased to see we have something to agree on at last. :wink:
As I noted in the other post, he also makes a decent potato salad which he brings to the track on occasion, although the high temperatures will likely preclude a potato salad diet at the upcoming MIROCK meet at MIR.
LOL - unfortunately that's very likely to be the case.
One of his main hold backs throughout his racing and development have been rulebooks under which he must operate, quenching quite a few of his ideas before they ever reached further development (in some cases, never making it out of his head due to his acknowledgement that the rules would not allow the concept).
So I've gathered from my recent conversation with him. He confided one idea to me, that is EXACTLY the basis of my latest revolutionary product, our Semi Sealed Induction System (SSIS) and like me he had the idea many years ago and he (like me), also made a rough prototype that worked. He was very pleased to hear that we are close to having a fully working prototype ready to fit a Busa, as he (like me), is TOTALLY CONFIDENT that it will allow nitrous performance to achieve even greater heights than blowers and turbo's, because it achieves forced induction status.
As for the turbo's, it is certainly possible for junk turbo systems to be manufactured. The turbocharger itself is a bit more robust than the typical "nitrous" solenoid, but the rest of the system components can be botched quite easily (especially in the very low quantity motorcycle market).
Yes I'm well aware of that with regard to the 'ancillaries' but my point was aimed at the turbo charger itself and as you confirm, that (in the main) can only be manufactured by a TOP class company.
There is very little engineering or engineering principles to be found in the aftermarket and racing world as you are well aware. Billy understands the fundamentals very well. Taking nothing away from Cecil, I believe it would be a great asset to your legacy and the racing world in general should you continue your conversations with Billy.
I couldn't agree more and I can assure you that Billy and I will be doing more than talking in the near future. :tu:
BTW with regards to Cecil, it seems to me that very few people fully appreciate the extent of the OUTSTANDING achievements he's responsible for. Being first in to the 7s in Real Street using a SINGLE nitrous system (to run those times now they are using TWO stages), being the first in to the 6s in Pro Street, DESTROYING the FOURTEEN YEAR STRANGLEHOLD the turbo bikes had maintained up to that point AND not only doing it with a 6.99 but doing it with a SOLID 6.90 sec pass. Should he now go on to be the first in the 3s and in such a conclusive manner as he did with Pro Street, I hope that he (and I), will get due credit for such a DOMINATE & SUSTAINED string of performances.
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Trevor
I sincerley apologize for not following you around on as many websites that I can. You must understand that I am busy machining parts most of the day. That keeps be pretty busy so I dont have time to visit a bunch of websites and make long post that I why i normally keep it short. I hope you understand. Answering emails, making parts and customer support tends to take most of my time. sorry
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Trevor
I sincerley apologize for not following you around on as many websites that I can. You must understand that I am busy machining parts most of the day. That keeps be pretty busy so I dont have time to visit a bunch of websites and make long post that I why i normally keep it short. I hope you understand. Answering emails, making parts and customer support tends to take most of my time. sorry
:hys: :hys: Funny how you found PLENTY of time to make numerous extensive posts on Psycho bike (along with creating and posting BS shots of your solenoids, rather than provide some GENUINE FACTS) but you can't find time to make any posts here though. :hys: :hys:
Who do you think is dumb enough not to realise, that all your EXCUSES are OBVIOUSLY because you are PLAIN SCARED of a REAL FACTUAL debate WITH ME and you KNOW FOR A FACT, that your 'amazing' technologically advanced :hys: :hys: solenoids don't stand a chance in hell, in ANY competition with my Pulsoids.
The $25,000 that YOU'RE CERTAIN TO WIN (based on your bullshit claims for your solenoids) :hys: :hys: would cover the cost of months of your time (yet it would only take a few hours to conclude), so you should be jumping at the chance, to prove I'm a stupid, big mouthed arsehole and get a BIG payout for it in the process.
Seems to me (and I'm sure anyone with any brains), that YOU KNOW YOU'LL LOSE and in the process your 'amazingly' technically advanced :hys: :hys: solenoids, will be proved to be garbage.
By the way I really can't wait to see the rest of the internals of this solenoid, because I've no doubt they will have me in hysterics :hys: :hys:
BTW everyone who knows ANYTHING about nitrous AGREES that a variable valve (like the REVO), is VASTLY SUPERIOR to clattering a solenoid, so do yourself a favour and drop the solenoid and TRY to COPY the REVO, as I'll be ready for another good laugh by the time you've managed that. :hys: :hys: :hys:
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Should you ever feel superior enough again, to take me on in any way based on FACTS, feel free to come looking for me on my own forum and I'd be happy to show you how little you know. :hys:
Uh, Genius, re-read my posts. All I've stated is that I'd never buy anything from a person with an attitude like yours. I never said anything regarding technical abilities at all, yours or mine. :roll:
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Get a grip man!!!! I never said you had, it was an INVITATION for you to do so in future!!!
Your post might then have 'some' substance, unlike the pathetic, pointless and worthless posts you've made on this thread so far. GOT IT NOW 'GENIUS' ?????
BTW I've never claimed to be a 'genius' FAR FROM IT, I'm just a lowly guy who finished regular school at 16 years old and educated himself from there on. The difference between you 'smart' guys and me, is that I have a large amount of what I HAVE to call UNcommon sense (because common sense is extremely RARE these days), so rather than be baffled by all the education that none of you 'smart' guys really understand, I see the simplicity of THE WAY IT REALLY IS!!! :wink:
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I guess you missed my Sarcasm. If you really want to know who not to deal with just simply do a google search on their name. You will find plenty of info. Here is some
http://ls1tech.com/forums/nitrous-oxide/565873-anyone-using-racetested-wizards-nos-kits-3.html
http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/showthread.php?s=db68501723db8be47c0cb02f3c382410&t=433102
http://ls1tech.com/forums/nitrous-oxide/565873-anyone-using-racetested-wizards-nos-kits.html
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you may also want to read Nitrous Oxide Performance Handbook By Jeff Hartman
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:hys: :hys: Funny how you claim not to have time to enter in to a FACTUAL debate about solenoid design but you've managed to spend probably an hour or two searching the net for threads bad mouthing me, in an attempt to discredit my knowledge. :hys: :hys:
YOU and the people responsible for those LIES are extremely lucky that I live in the UK, because if I'd lived in the US, I'd have had my lawyers take legal action against all of you for LIBLE (that's publishing LIES about someone, as you're obviously to stupid to realise that's what you're doing) and I'd have taken every penny you own.
Something you should now be VERY CONCERNED ABOUT is that now I have an American partner, he'll be in a position to take legal action against ANYONE based in the USA who peddles these LIES any longer, as they potentially damage his investment, so this will be your ONE AND ONLY WARNING, make one more post like the one above and I will make my American partner aware of it and HE WILL take legal action against you and leave you without a dime to your name.
I'm also going to report you and the post to the moderator, because ANY website carrying LIBLE content and allowing it on their site/forum, is also at risk of legal action being taken against them, so don't be surprised if you are banned soon.
BTW if you have the slightest amount of sense you will remove ALL such posts before the moderator sees them.
Have a nice day now, as it may be one of the few days left to you, that you'll be able to afford to do so.
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you may also want to read Nitrous Oxide Performance Handbook By Jeff Hartman
I ALREADY HAVE and for your information I ASSISTED Jeff with it after my own book was published
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You obviously haven't read Jeff's book, otherwise you'd have seen my name in the credits and our products mentioned along with pictures in it.
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BTW the moderators have been informed.
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you may also want to read Nitrous Oxide Performance Handbook By Jeff Hartman
I ALREADY HAVE and for your information I ASSISTED Jeff with it after my own book was published;
http://www.noswizard.com/index.php/nitrous-ancillaries/books-apparel-stickers/nitrous-book.html
You obviously haven't read Jeff's book, otherwise you'd have seen my name in the credits and our products mentioned along with pictures in it.
Sorry no. I did not read Jeff's book. I am so glad you cleared that up. I just needed to make sure that you assisted him with writing that so there are no misunderstandings, thanks for the endorsement.
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not only do you not have any knowledge to stand on, but all the sites on the post you made are full of facts and dozens of examples and successes... of course.. you would have to read more than 3 google links to know that..
dude just give up. go back to drilling holes in aluminum.. your good at that.
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Sorry no. I did not read Jeff's book.
It's quite obvious that you don't read ANYTHING, as you haven't removed the original post which has libellous content, so we'll have to see how the moderator reacts to that
I am so glad you cleared that up. I just needed to make sure that you assisted him with writing that so there are no misunderstandings, thanks for the endorsement.
:hys: :hys: Oh really, so without reading it you were aware that I'd contributed to the book. :hys: :hys:
BTW I DID NOT SAY that I'd assisted him with WRITING the book, he did that all on his own. Furthermore, making a contribution and as siting with providing details on those contributions, DOES NOT MEAN I endorse the book.
Thankfully his book is one of the top 3 I've ever read but unfortunately he has been excessively influenced by the mainstream nitrous manufacturers due to his own lack of nitrous expertise.
Jeff is NOT and does NOT claim to be a 'NITROUS' EXPERT, he is JUST a technical author, who collects information from a number of sources and presents them in a book form, so ALL the nitrous specific knowledge has come from other people, just as the knowledge about my products came from me.
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:hys: Pleased to see you're talented enough to manage to use a highlighting pen. :hys:
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BTW the moderators have been informed.
We do not see anything "libellous" in this post?
I guess you missed my Sarcasm. If you really want to know who not to deal with just simply do a google search on their name. You will find plenty of info. Here is some
http://ls1tech.com/forums/nitrous-oxide/565873-anyone-using-racetested-wizards-nos-kits-3.html
http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/showthread.php?s=db68501723db8be47c0cb02f3c382410&t=433102
http://ls1tech.com/forums/nitrous-oxide/565873-anyone-using-racetested-wizards-nos-kits.html
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BTW the moderators have been informed.
Please see my off thread reply.
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After reading all of this I will add myself to the list of people who will not buy WON products. I'm currently running an MPS Spider. I have looked into the pulsoids and was very interested in them. After reading this I can no longer maintain interest. Its sad to see a company mouth that shows his ass so bad.
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After reading all of this I will add myself to the list of people who will not buy WON products. I'm currently running an MPS Spider. I have looked into the pulsoids and was very interested in them. After reading this I can no longer maintain interest. Its sad to see a company mouth that shows his ass so bad.
:hys: ignorance is bliss... you have no idea what the history here is. before you go bad mouthing someone why dont you get to know them. keep using your spider, but its inevitable you will change over... if you want to keep up that is.
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After reading all of this I will add myself to the list of people who will not buy WON products. I'm currently running an MPS Spider. I have looked into the pulsoids and was very interested in them. After reading this I can no longer maintain interest. Its sad to see a company mouth that shows his ass so bad.
:hys: :hys: :hys: That's one less fool to deal with and adding a Pulsoid to a MPS Spider would be a TOTAL WASTE of a Pulsoid anyway, so you might as well stick with whatever INFERIOR solenoid you're using and remain a LOSER, as you'll NEVER beat a bike using a full WON system.
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Trev come on man u sell a great product it will sell it self me and u have talked on the phone before and over email you are a great guy.no reason to belittle people. the application of nitrous has came a long way.remember the day where people use to fog airbox some people still do.
In the pro st class nitrous bike where giving an advantage lighter weight,slider,2"ground clearance and an auto trans that why they went in the 6is.before the turbos did.They should not call it PST anymore because none of thought bike are that.
ALSO REMEMBER WHAT THIS POST WAS ABOUT A GUY WANTED TO KNOW WHO TO GO TO FOR NITROUS?
There are alot good people out there that mess with nitrous do your homework and pick one,someone that goes to the track and that can give u the support u need.not someone that is looking just to get pay.
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I have a friend named Fabian Bell, from the Houston, Texas area, that used WON pulsoids on a Sonny's Hemi headed 800" motor.
Trevor, do you remember that name? If so, would you possibly remember where he went wrong?
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Trev come on man u sell a great product it will sell it self
Thanks for that and yes it does sell itself as we don't spend anything to talk of on advertising, so it has to do but that's helped by results like those achieved by Cecil and others across the world.
me and u have talked on the phone before and over email you are a great guy.
Glad to hear it and very kind of you to say so.
no reason to belittle people.
In my first post you won't see anything negative about anything or anyone, it was only in my second post in reply to what seemed an unwise recommendation, that I half jokingly commented that any guy selling Zex kits etc. was NOT the man to go to.
The ONLY reasons I make any kind of negative comments about anything or anyone are as follows;
1) Someone is trying to sell a BADLY conceived product that will at best result in less than optimum performance and at worst could kill someone.
Nitrous is potentially an EXTREMELY DANGEROUS media to 'play' with, even when it is controlled by WELL DESIGNED products but when you add badly conceived products to that potential danger, you really are putting your life at risk.
The MAJORITY of engine failures, car and bike fires and physical injuries as a consequence are caused by 3 things only (neither of which is nitrous itself);
i) Badly conceived products
ii) Badly made products
iii) Operator error
I try to deal with the 3rd one by educating people by my extensive posts on my own forum and any others I have time for.
I deal with the other 2 causes by designing and manufacturing the best products on the planet AND by pointing out the flaws in other manufacturers products, because I feel it's MY OBLIGATION to make people aware of the risks they are taking, when buying such products.
2) Someone attacks me for telling the TRUTH and if they show a lack of respect, then they get it back with interest.
Personally I would rather have someone pointing out the flaws in products I was considering using, especially if those flaws could burn my bike to the ground or worse still, burn my car to the ground with me stuck inside it. Therefore, I have no compunction when it comes to making people aware of products that should NOT be on the market, when there are SAFE products that they should be buying.
the application of nitrous has came a long way.
In general I don't see any 'major' improvements outside our own product range. Sure there are one or two minor product improvements, like the Wilson Distribution block but in the main the products sold to the masses today are NO BETTER (and in many cases are FAR WORSE - nitrous RAILS are a perfect example) than they were 50 years ago.
remember the day where people use to fog airbox some people still do.
It depends what you mean by "fog" the airbox? If you mean add nitrous AND FUEL to the airbox entry, then yes that's an extremelt dangerous and stupid thing to do BUT if you mean adding JUST NITROUS to the entry to the airbox, then in some classes (Real street for example) and without the aid of a REVO system, that is THE BEST WAY to do it and that's how Cecil Towner first took the Real Street record, using that design of system that I supplied him.
In the pro st class nitrous bike where giving an advantage lighter weight,slider,2"ground clearance and an auto trans that why they went in the 6is.before the turbos did.
I COULD NOT DISAGREE MORE!!!! Now I could be wrong on this but I'm 99% sure I'm correct, so I'll continue. The rules for nitrous bikes changed a few years (4 or more), BEFORE Cecil's bike ran a 6.9 sec pass, so it had NOTHING to do with the rule change, otherwise he'd have run the 6.9 in his first year.
Nor was the run specifically possible due to the type of clutch that was used, because Cecil had run similar (unofficial) times before fitting the Hayes clutch.
The SOLE reason Cecil was able to run those numbers was and still is as follows;
1) The WON nitrous system makes FAR MORE POWER MORE RELIABLY than any other kit
2) The WON Pulsed is FAR MORE RESPONSIVE & ACCURATE than any other solenoid
3) As a consequence of the above unique qualities, Cecil was able to adjust the power delivery settings to achieve OPIMUM results.
Now you may wish to disagree with that but here's the proof for you;
1) Take the WON system off the bike and it will NOT run anywhere near as quick or as fast
2) Fit any other brand of kit (as Cecil was using PRIOR to switching to the WON system and it will NOT run as quick or as fast, plus it will destroy the engine after a small number of runs (if it doesn't do it during each run, as many others using other nitrous kits are finding), as was the case Cecil reported to me when he made the switch.
You could remove ANY other part from that bike and replace it with ANY other GOOD alternative and it will still run as quick as it's done and will do in future, as long as the WON system is on the bike/s.
BTW this is NOT taking anything from Cecil and his team, because;
1) He deserves credit for being smart enough to buy the WON systems
2) He's orchestrated not only the selection of the best parts but also the Assembly and testing of them as well as the tuning and maintenance of the whole package.
Consequently I pay all credit to him for giving my products the opportunity to prove they are THE BEST.
Now if you'd said that if nitrous bikes were on equal terms (with regards to all rules), with the turbo bikes in the class, that a nitrous bike probably wouldn't have run a 6.9 by now, then I'd have AGREED WITH YOU but I'm even working on changing that. :wink:
ALSO REMEMBER WHAT THIS POST WAS ABOUT A GUY WANTED TO KNOW WHO TO GO TO FOR NITROUS?
I took that to mean nitrous product in general and knowledge, as did others who responded before me as far as I can see. Are you suggesting that's not the case??
There are alto good people out there that mess with nitrous do your homework and pick one,someone that goes to the track and that can give u the support u need. not someone that is looking just to get pay.
Not sure what you mean by that but if you want the best results from nitrous, you first need the best product, followed by the best advice and that was the only point I intended to make when I first posted.
Thanks for the post and I hope we're in agreement on these matters now. :tu:
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I have a friend named Fabian Bell, from the Houston, Texas area, that used WON pulsoids on a Sonny's Hemi headed 800" motor.
Trevor, do you remember that name? If so, would you possibly remember where he went wrong?
Yes I remember him VERY WELL and I had high hopes for what we'd achieve together but as you say, things went wrong and brought that to an end.
Like a lot of my customers, Fabian is not your average guy and is a big thinker but again like a lot of my customers, it can be better to leave some of that big thinking to me and just follow my advice.
In Fabian case his big thinking led him to use our nitrous Pulsoids to control the nitrous, while he used conventional electronic fuel injectors (which he supplied), to control the methanol fuel enrichment. We did some calculations for how much fuel he'd need for a given amount of nitrous but as we had no idea what the injectors were or what they would flow or what he was doing with them (for sure), that was ALL we could do. This meant that Fabian had to carry out a conversion of the single fuel flow requirement figures we gave him and flow tests to get the flow through the 8 fuel injectors to match it.
Fabian was always hard to contact as I believe he worked away a lot but after we supplied the system I struggled to get in contact with him even more (to find out what he was doing and offer assistance) but eventually I managed to get in touch and ask how it was going.
His reply was, that the set up (tune) we'd supplied him with (a modest power level of about 350 HP from memory), had worked perfectly well but he'd wanted to increase the power and unfortunately he miscalculated and delivered too little fuel and wrecked the motor. :-(
The last I heard he'd moved on to another project, which I think was a blown Pro Mod car, so I haven't heard from him since. :( :(
If you get to speak to him, please tell him I send my best regards and I'd love to hear from him to hear what he's been doing since we last spoke.
Many thanks for the post.
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I never knew the exact details, but I knew it didn't end well. As a long time friend of his, I can say, don't wait for that phone call.
He's currently on a Federally funded vacation for the next few years.
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I never knew the exact details, but I knew it didn't end well. As a long time friend of his, I can say, don't wait for that phone call.
He's currently on a Federally funded vacation for the next few years.
Many thanks for getting back to me.
I waited repeatedly for return calls so I could make sure he achieved great results but as you're aware, he wasn't one to bother.
Sad to hear he's on such a vacation, so I guess he has a good excuse for not calling me now.
There's a thread on my forum with pics of his engine and nitrous system somewhere but I can't find it at present. It looked EXTREMELY GOOD and but for his miscalculation I'm sure it would have run some good numbers.
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come on if turbos had this stuff they would of been in the 6's long a go lighter weight,slider,2"ground clearance and an auto trans forgot all about the displacement and 70" that why he went 6.90 not just the nitrous part.
Rodney Williford did 6's it in outlaw awhile ago that what the nitrous bike are now outlaws
On another note the bike that billy vose grudge race is the fastest nitrous bike out there does it have won aboard
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come on if turbos had this stuff they would of been in the 6's long a go lighter weight,slider,2"ground clearance and an auto trans forgot all about the displacement and 70" that why he went 6.90 not just the nitrous part.
Rodney Williford did 6's it in outlaw awhile ago that what the nitrous bike are now outlaws
On another note the bike that billy vose grudge race is the fastest nitrous bike out there does it have won aboard
nitrous had those rules for years before WON came along and no one went a 6. and nitrous are not outlaws.. not even close. id run over ANY pst nitrous bike with an outlaw..
thats about the most stupid couple of sentences Ive ever read.
and 1) i dont hink you have any idea whats on billys bike, and 2) if you watched the race, that race was won at the tree and was side by side the whole track with niether gaining or losing. Billys experiance won that race, not his nitrous.
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come on if turbos had this stuff they would of been in the 6's long a go lighter weight,slider,2"ground clearance and an auto trans forgot all about the displacement and 70" that why he went 6.90 not just the nitrous part.
YES and that's exactly what my point was when I said this in my previous post (although put in the reverse context);
Now if you'd said that if nitrous bikes were on equal terms (with regards to all rules), with the turbo bikes in the class, that a nitrous bike probably wouldn't have run a 6.9 by now, then I'd have AGREED WITH YOU but I'm even working on changing that.
However, that's NOT what you said in your previous post!!!
What you said in your previous post, was that those parts were the reason why Cecil had run a 6.9 BUT if that were the case (and not that it was primarily due to the WON nitrous system), ALL the nitrous bikes would have run 6s by now but the ONLY ones that have and are even close, are ALL using WON nitrous systems.
When it was announced that the rules were going to be changed to reduce the advantages nitrous bikes had been given, I was EXTREMELY PLEASED, because I want to be responsible for and see nitrous bikes BEAT turbo bikes on 100% EQUAL TERMS and as I also stated in the sentance from my previous post, I'm working towards that and I'm 100% confident we'll do it, even if it requires our revolutionary Nitrous Semi Sealed Induction System to do it;
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Rodney Williford did 6's it in outlaw awhile ago that what the nitrous bike are now outlaws
If they were outlaw they wouldn't be allowed to race in the class but I certainly wouldn't complain about the rules being levelled out more, because as I stated above I'm not happy about winning in handicapped classes, as it proves very little.
On another note the bike that billy vose grudge race is the fastest nitrous bike out there does it have won aboard
I don't know what gives you that idea, because as far as I'm aware the JDAM grudge bike (which does have a WON system on it), is the quickest and as none of these bikes disclose their times, it's impossible to prove it one way or the other.
I know the actual times the JDAM bike has run and all I can say is that for any other similar spec bike to be quicker, would be a hell of an achievement.
I'd also like to make a couple of further points with regards to this matter;
1) I've spent a good couple of HOURS talking to Billy recently and the guy certainly knows a great deal more about nitrous component design, use and tuning, so even if his bike was quicker, it won't be because the nitrous components he uses come from the factory as a better product than ours. It will be because of Billy's SUPERIOR KNOWLEDGE and hios ability to apply better band aids than anyone else.
2) Regardless of what brand of nitrous kit it is fitted with, the ONLY true measure of which nitrous system is best, is when the same bike is run back to back using different kits, so even if Billy's bike was quicker than Cecil's it doesn't prove the nitrous kit is better than.
3) Billy may not have our WON system on any of his bikes now but I'd bet you EVERYTHING I OWN, that if I were to offer him a system for each of his bikes at no cost (FREE), he'd snap them up and fit them quicker than you could blink, because WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED IT.
My problem is that as Billy and Cecil are major competitors and as Cecil pays for our products, it would be totally unfair to Cecil to give them to Billy free. Since Billy can make even junk work better than anyone else, he doesn't see the need to pay for WON products, even though he recognises their superiority, so we have an awkward situation that I'm currently trying to resolve, because BOTH Billy and I would like to see my products on his bikes, especially the REVO's but whether it will ever happen, is yet to be determined.
4) For your further information, I've been approached by at least 50% of the TOP bike teams in the USA, wanting to USE my products (especially the REVO) but because they are top teams, they expect to get their products FREE, because most companies give their products to such teams as sponsorship.
However, I 'expect' ALL my customers to PAY for our products, because I don't think it's fair, that some guy struggling to pay his rent, pushes his budget to BUY one of my systems and then has to race against some top guy with a big budget, who I've just GIVEN a system.
BTW I hope you're not taking my replies to your posts in any way offensively, as they are posted with all due respect. :tu:
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nitrous had those rules for years before WON came along and no one went a 6.
EXACTLY my point and NO other nitrous bike using ANY OTHER BRAND of nitrous kit is ANYWHERE NEAR CLOSE NOW!!!!
Not only are they nowhere near close on ET's but they're nowhere near close on engine reliability either.
thats about the most stupid couple of sentences Ive ever read.
I wouldn't go that far JC, there's been many much worse than that and I'm sure our friend here will reconsider his opinion in light of our replies, which is more than most people would do, because he's one of the smart guys that's at least considering the WON technology. :tu:
and 1) i dont hink you have any idea whats on billys bike, and 2) if you watched the race, that race was won at the tree and was side by side the whole track with niether gaining or losing. Billys experiance won that race, not his nitrous.
Did I miss something??? Has Billy raced against the JDAM bike???
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WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE FROM THE PRO ST NITROUS BIKE THAN THE OUTLAW CLASS :hys:
U MAY WANT TO CALL BILLY BACK AND CONGRATULATE HIM ON HIS achievement ON ellamean... the fastest nos busa in the world it out ran jdam twice :eek: :eek: :eek: and jdam was sold :hys: :hys: :hys: :hys:
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U MAY WANT TO CALL BILLY BACK AND CONGRATULATE HIM ON HIS achievement ON ellamean... the fastest nos busa in the world it out ran jdam twice :eek: :eek: :eek: and jdam was sold :hys: :hys: :hys: :hys:
You obviously missed JC's 'CORRECT' comment, that getting a bike down a track before the guy in the other lane, DOES NOT PROVE which bike is quicker, ONLY THE TIMING CLOCKS would do that and as I stated before, NOBODY knows the times that BOTH bikes have run.
Like I also stated, Billy has FAR GREATER KNOWLEDGE on nitrous, than ANYONE else I've ever spoken to (which includes most of the BIG name nitrous 'experts' (LOL) in the USA, so I will most certainly congratulate Billy on demonstrating not only his superior riding skills but also his extensive nitrous knowledge, in making a nitrous kit that he fully appreciates is (shall we say, 'less than ideal'), contribute to his success.
BTW anyone got a video link to those races?
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Trev u are a good guy and you know your stuff just picking a little. I know i modify the post but u have to stop giving that guy JC Biggs free parts.
Jdam was just out powered u are right u win some u loss some but to sell the bike that said it all to me.
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Tree him thats why he won :hys: :hys: :hys: :hys: Quit it just quit it u are killing me :hys: :hys:let me get of this post i am sorry to glarior for taken over his post but u will be in good hands with trev he know his stuff and stands behind it.looking forward to doing something with u trev
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Trev u are a good guy and you know your stuff just picking a little.
Glad we got back to that situation, as I thought I'd been conned after that last post.
I know i modify the post
And I did the same as I respect you for doing so.
but u have to stop giving that guy free parts.
What guy??? Like I said NOBODY gets free parts, otherwise you can be sure that ALL the TO teams would be running WON systems.
Jdam was just out powered u are right u win some u loss some but to sell the bike that said it all to me.
I don't jump to conclusions like that, I'd rather go to the source of the info and ask for the FACTS - I'm NOT saying one way or the other if the JDAM bike was quicker or slower (because I DON'T KNOW) but I'd like to see the videos to make the judgement, so if you know where they can be viewed, I'd appreciate it.
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http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-SfC7MYJvb0
Billy has a year or two wait to get a bike built. Here's the link to the race. Both bikes were flying.
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Tree him thats why he won :hys: :hys: :hys: :hys: Quit it just quit it u are killing me :hys: :hys:let me get of this post
What's so funny about that staement from JC, surely you've beat quicker bikes by having a quicker reaction in your time, I know I CERTAINLY HAVE but once again, I'm NOT making a judgement either way as I haven't seen the races.
i am sorry to glarior for taken over his post but u will be in good hands with trev he know his stuff and stands behind it.looking forward to doing something with u trev
Likewise and don't take to long getting back to me on it.
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http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-SfC7MYJvb0
Billy has a year or two wait to get a bike built. Here's the link to the race. Both bikes were flying.
Very good of you Bim28.
Well I'd say that was one of the CLOSEST starts I've ever seen but Billy certainly got the light. However, the win was UNDOUBTEDLY due to his bike covering the first 5 feet or so quicker than the JDAM bike and that would be when NEITHER bike would have been spraying much (IF ANY) nitrous and I know from a previous JDAM video (where it won), that the WON nitrous system was NOT cativated until well past the tree, because it left late and lifted the front end as the system kicked in.
With that in mind, it's as I said previously, you can ONLY judge a nitrous kit against another (or any other products), when they are used on the SAME bike.
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WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE FROM THE PRO ST NITROUS BIKE THAN THE OUTLAW CLASS :hys:
U MAY WANT TO CALL BILLY BACK AND CONGRATULATE HIM ON HIS achievement ON ellamean... the fastest nos busa in the world it out ran jdam twice :eek: :eek: :eek: and jdam was sold :hys: :hys: :hys: :hys:
that obvisously shows your ignorance.. you just said that a PST Nitrous bike is as fast as ellemean or jdam which are both pretty much outlaw bikes. get the fuck outta here man. the flat slick alone is enough to put the outlaw out front. No one is taking anything away from billy, the bike is fast. but i saw the race with my own 2 eyes and if it wont for the tree, i doubt he would of won. at that level of performance there is alot more to a perfect pass than horsepower. but you can keep hating bro, eventually you will switch to a won system or a turbo.. thats your only to choices if you want a chance of winning. till then im done debating with someone that cant accept the facts.
..here.. in case you didnt get to actually see what you claim to know so much about
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SfC7MYJvb0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcEYdi5BhTg
both times billy jumped out on him and thats where they stayed.
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Trev u are a good guy and you know your stuff just picking a little. I know i modify the post but u have to stop giving that guy JC Biggs free parts.
Jdam was just out powered u are right u win some u loss some but to sell the bike that said it all to me.
i wish i got some shit for free... i as could make better use of it than 90% of the people that race. its ok. i just got a new job with a much bigger paycheck so whats already fast is gonna get that much faster. ask trevor how much i just paid for half a nitrous system :hys: probably more than most people have in the whole thing.
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that obvisously shows your ignorance.. you just said that a PST Nitrous bike is as fast as ellemean or jdam which are both pretty much outlaw bikes. get the fuck outta here man. the flat slick alone is enough to put the outlaw out front.
I am one of the very few people who know what the JDAM bike has actually run and it is CERTAINLY CONSIDERABLY quicker than Cecil's PST bike and as you say JC, the tire alone is the main factor.
In PST the tire will always be the main limiting factor, whether it's turbo or nitrous but until recently the smoother and more controllable power delivery of the turbo bikes has meant they have the advantage in that regard but now he REVO is about to step up to the plate, that will all change. :tu:
No one is taking anything away from billy, the bike is fast. but i saw the race with my own 2 eyes and if it wont for the tree, i doubt he would of won.
Can't argue with a man who was there, as video's can be a little misleading.
BTW who was riding the JDAM bike?
at that level of performance there is alot more to a perfect pass than horsepower.
EXACTLY - and the main factor is CONTROL of that power. It's been the LACK of ANY control on other kits, that's allowed turbo bikes to dominate until recently. What Billy manages to do to get his results, takes a lot of knowledge and mods to a basic kit and in some applications takes more than one stage and even then the kit still doesn't perform as well as one of our OUT OF THE BOX systems.
but you can keep hating bro, eventually you will switch to a won system or a turbo.. thats your only to choices if you want a chance of winning. till then im done debating with someone that cant accept the facts.
He's NOT hating JC, he's just taking a little time to fully appreciate what WON has to offer. MOST of my most devoted customers started of HATING me and my products but you couldn't pay them enough money to switch back to ANY other kit now and they all LOVE ME :eek: for all the help I've given them to achieve their goals.
Billy is CERTAINLY out of the hole and covers the first few yards QUICKER and that's what hands him the win WITHOUT A DOUBT!!!
I doubt the reaction times are much different but his bike CERTAINLY accelerates to about 10 yards out quicker than the JDAM bike and I'd be surprised if either bike is making much (if ANY) nitrous power before that point in the race.
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i wish i got some shit for free... i as could make better use of it than 90% of the people that race. its ok. i just got a new job with a much bigger paycheck so whats already fast is gonna get that much faster.
Glad to hear you got the new job JC, best of luck with that and the future.
ask trevor how much i just paid for half a nitrous system :hys: probably more than most people have in the whole thing.
That's what's held back nitrous technology for so long, the companies that sell the stuff only want to maximise their immediate profits, so they sell the cheapest shit as cheap as possible, so they can sell more than any other company.
To advance ANY technology a company MUST invest in R&D and that COSTS BIG MONEY, which ultimately has to be paid by the customer in higher product prices.
Anyone who is smart enough to understand this (as JC does), is prepared to pay whatever it costs to get THE BEST, just as people who pay top dollar for the best turbo's or even the best bikes, etc.
Not many people can do what Billy Vose has done (make bad products produce good results), so for anyone else who wants to get good results, it's a lot easier to do it by starting with a good product. :id: :tu:
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After reading all of this I will add myself to the list of people who will not buy WON products. I'm currently running an MPS Spider. I have looked into the pulsoids and was very interested in them. After reading this I can no longer maintain interest. Its sad to see a company mouth that shows his ass so bad.
:hys: :hys: :hys: That's one less fool to deal with and adding a Pulsoid to a MPS Spider would be a TOTAL WASTE of a Pulsoid anyway, so you might as well stick with whatever INFERIOR solenoid you're using and remain a LOSER, as you'll NEVER beat a bike using a full WON system.
I never mentioned adding it to the system I'm currently running. You have 1300's di** so far up your ass you don't even bother reading what is typed. You are way too eager to run your mouth. It's sad that you are the mouth of a business in this economy.
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I never mentioned adding it to the system I'm currently running.
So WHY mention it fool?????
You have 1300's di** so far up your ass you don't even bother reading what is typed.
I wouldn't know about having dick up my ass but it sounds like you know all about though.
As it happens I wasted my very valuable time reading every PATHETIC word you posted, otherwise how did I see your mention of the MPS Spider.
You are way too eager to run your mouth.
This is a comment from a man who came on this thread uninvited and mouthed off against me, LOL talk about hypocrite LOL
It's sad that you are the mouth of a business in this economy.
What it has to do with the economy is beyond me but let me enlighten you to a few facts;
1) While other companies are going bust by the 1,000s, MY company is growing faster than ever.
2) While American nitrous companies approach mine to buy them out, because they are going bust, my company is approached by a US company wanting to form a partnership to establish a home base for our company in Florida, which we are currently working on.
3) While customers of other brands can't improve on their records, we get more records posted every week.
Cecil Towner just posted the quickest time in the world by an injected Busa Pro Mod this weekend (to name just 1 example) and he'll go on to run MUCH QUICKER.
4) While other nitrous companies are losing agents and suffering falling sales, we're getting more and more agents every week, from all over the world and sales continue to grow week on week
What you people don't seem to realise is;
1) We DON'T WANT people who are SO DUMB as to make the kind of statements you've made running our systems, as you'd get our products a bad name.
2) All we want are the SMART guys, like Cecil Towner, JC and the 1,000s of other Americans who are buying so many of our products, that we have to set up an American branch.
3) To use a WON system you HAVE TO BE VERY SMART, so by offending the guys that aren't smart enough to appreciate the WON PRODUCT IS ALL THAT MATTERS, I save myself A LOAD of time explaining why they should buy our products, because the smart guys don't need me to explain anything.
ANYONE who chooses to buy ANY brand other than WON, is choosing TO RUN SLOWER TIMES - FACT!!!
Personally I don't care who the boss of the company is or what he has to say about ANYTHING I buy. If I judge a product to be the best, I buy it regardless of ANYTHING else but then you're not as smart as me, otherwise you wouldn't be talking such shit!!!
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lol
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The best you can do is go on and on about my intelligence? It's very obvious to me now. You are an idiot. Your little cheerleader above must also be of equal mental status. I'm glad your business is doing so well that you can't talk shit to everyone who was interested in who is the best in the business. How many customers do you think you are costing yourself? This position must have been handed to you. It's clear that you do not represent the company in a positive manner. Keep in mind that I have said nothing negative about your products. I'm speaking to you as a person and not as a company. Take it for what it's worth, but being an asshole all over the net doesn't make you appear to be the brightest crayon in the box. The company may be doing well but you are a bitch. You have to live with that. Maybe your little cheerleader likes that about you.
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The best you can do is go on and on about my intelligence?
:hys: What would you like me to go on about, how nice a guy you are???? :hys:
It's very obvious to me now. You are an idiot.
:hys: So you're complaining about me talking about 'your' intelligence (or LACK of it to be exact) but its OK for you to call me an "idiot". At least my comments are true and founded on facts.
Maybe you'd like me to go on about how advanced our products are, ALL of which I invented and designed, so not bad for someone you 'judge' as an "idiot". :hys:
Your little cheerleader above must also be of equal mental status.
Typical how anyone smart enough to appreciate my knowledge and my products, is attacked and jeered at by those who aren't as smart (like you), for offering support.
I'm glad your business is doing so well that you can't talk shit to everyone who was interested in who is the best in the business.
I bet you are!!!! :hys:
How many customers do you think you are costing yourself?
A VERY LARGE NUMBER I HOPE, as the majority of people aren't smart enough to use my products and as I've stated before, I don't want people like you wasting my very valuable time, repeatedly asking me how to do the simplest job, if I hadn't managed to put you off buying my products. Like I keep telling you, I just want the SMART guys using my systems, as they achieve much better results than the likes of you. How many world records have you run I wonder, let me guess..... ZERO and now ask yourself how many times has Cecil Towner DESTROYED world records. Now ask yourself why the hell I'd be bothered about your pathetic statement, that you would not be buying my products. :hys:
This position must have been handed to you.
:hys: You should do some investigations before you mouth off and get it entirely WRONG. I started with just $100 almost 40 years ago, so I'm as self made as its possible to be and NOBODY has "handed" ANYTHING to me.
It's clear that you do not represent the company in a positive manner.
:hys: Ask ANY of my SMART customers how they feel about that. :hys:
To get my positive side you DON'T start by mouthing off at me uninvited, because all that does it get me pissed off at you and then you get exactly the same negative attitude that YOU started.
Keep in mind that I have said nothing negative about your products.
No but your opening post was an attack on me, so I guess you expected me to beg you for forgiveness and plead with you to change your mind and buy my products. Well unfortunately for you that's not the way I have to do business, because I can pick and choose who I sell my products to, so begging isn't even a consideration.
I'm speaking to you as a person and not as a company. Take it for what it's worth, but being an asshole all over the net doesn't make you appear to be the brightest crayon in the box. The company may be doing well but you are a bitch. You have to live with that. Maybe your little cheerleader likes that about you.
:hys: :hys: It's so funny how the dumbest people who have nothing to their credit, think they are smart enough to judge those, who have a string at achievements to their name. If you think your pathetic comments are offending me think again, because all they do is make me laugh at how worthless your opinion is and makes me extremely glad, that you were dumb enough to be offended by my posts and won't be buying my products.
Hey JC do you have bear bating over in the US, because if not this is as close as a smart guy can get to it, or in boxing terms as Mohammad Ali used to call it "ROPE A DOPE" :hys:
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With customers like this (now the quickest Fuel Injected Pro Mod Hayabusa in the world), why on earth do you think I give a shit what a dumbass fool like you thinks or buys;
(http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/9229/htppromod.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/94/htppromod.jpg/)
FYI Cecil is only the first of MANY, as MOST TOP AMERICAN Pro Mod racers, are or will be queuing up for my REVO systems and will be running quicker times, than ANY bike using ANY other brand of nitrous kit.
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dont stress it trevor.. the whole "you cant talk like that to my buddy" syndrome does nothing but give me more people to make money off of. anyone who cares who sells a products instead of how it performs is stupid. If some of these people knew how much money you had vested in your products and how much time you actually spent helping people they might shut the fuck up and get on the train. instead, let them be dumb and get run over. And for anybody who wants to call it cheer leading, or whatever, well, if thats what you want to call it, more power to you. I have leaps and bounds more knowledge about nitrous than 99% of the people on the planet thanks to trevor and i dont really care if you like it or not. just let me know when you want me to fix your shit cuz you cant go any faster.
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Here's a thought for you guys who think it's 'smart' to make a post saying you wouldn't buy my products, because you accuse me of insulting my 'customers'.
What you need to think about is this; IF my products were not the absolute best and IF I insulted MY ACTUAL customers (rather than just firing back at the fools who make dumbass posts on forums), why would SMART people like Cecil Towner & JC REFUSE TO USE ANYTHING ELSE????
OR you could look at it another way; IF I'm such an arsehole, my products must be AMAZING if people like Cecil & JC, are prepared to put up with doing business with me.
BTW thanks for the supportive, appreciative and sensible post JC.