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SALES - Read the rules before you post! => Results with Products/Sponsors/Members => Topic started by: E-RACER on July 03, 2012, 01:12:10 PM
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And He doesn't want to do shit about it!!!!!
*****DONT BUY ANYTHING FROM SB CUSTOMS!!!!!!!*****swing arm I got from him broke almost crashed!!!!!!!...dont like to put anyone on blast but Scott the owner of SB customs doesnt want to make this write so I figured if I can save one person from getting hurt its worth it!!!!!!!!......I'll Start at the begining hope fb lets me type enough letters..met Scott at the Javitts motorcycle show a few year...s back and his arms looked nice and were reasonable priced and I told him I build alot of bikes and people are always looking for a nice arm at a good price and we can do lots of business if he's legit..placed the order for my arm and after reapeated excusses and months of waiting my arm finally came
.he said he got swamped after the show and at the time I understood and didnt need it right away...so I then order a few more arms.excusses and run arounds not answering emails call ect were normal when the arms finally came didnt fit!!!!!.to wide in the front pivot area(not by much easy fix but shouldnt have to!!) my other arm on my punkin bike was 3/8 to skinny another persons arm 1/2 to wide.. gouges and clamp marks in the arm powdercoated over ect ect..realized they were low cost arms but man some stuff is just crazy..the arm that was 1/2 too wide was for a 2011 gsxr I sent him he stock arm to go by and if you cant get that right probably shouldnt be making any arms at all!!!!..had the brand new bike balancing for months while he messed around and then it came and didnt come close to fitting!!!!!...contacted my lawyer and going go have to sue him for the damages to my bike!!!!!!!..the week before I was goin 170mph and would of been killed if it happen then!!!!!! And have heard threw a few people who use to work there he was fully aware of the weakness and other arms have broke and he didnt do anything about it!!!..*****anyone else contact me might be a class action lawsuite!!!!****
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v194/E-RACER/BROKENARM.jpg)
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I have heard from a few people that the arms they got from him were breaking at the welds.
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Hes a drunk fool and someones goin get killed!!!
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Could you post pics of the break. I am going to build a arms and don't want to do it that way,, Apparently.
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v194/E-RACER/sb.jpg)
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Ouch! :shock: Thanks for the foresight!
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Hey man, what arm do you have now? I am going thru a very similar deal with "Elite Custom Machine". After not even 500 miles the bearings blew out of the jackshaft locking up my rear wheel on my way back from Bike Week. The guy won't respond to me and lied to me. He is still using a pic of my bike on his web page, after I told him countless times to remove it. I am so sick of these dirt bags screwing people over!
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ive had to fix a few different 360 arms from different guys....the one im workin on now is for a customer that got it from SB....that fuckin thing is embarrassing...there aint nothing good about it....customer wants it on....I told him its twisted and the welds are cold, no penetration...scary
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I purchased a used 2006 gsxr 1000 with a 12 over swingarm with 360 tire from a dealer in PA that had an SB swingarm on it. I took my first ride with the bike and noticed a funny sound in the drivetrain while riding. took the bike to a shop that said the issue was in the driveline and the end result was the swingarm was not centered on the bike. end result was I had to replace the swingarm. I can say there swingarms are shit.
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complete junk fellas..others have broke and he knows about it and chooses to do nothing!!!!!
EviL heard My story and stepped up and sponsored Me a arm!!!...Great company and reasonable priced arms..thx again!!!!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v194/E-RACER/ggg.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/E-RACER/media/ggg.jpg.html)
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Evil is number one
-Jesse
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now that all the crappola has died down, here's a couple facts regarding eracer's issues:
eracer aka Ed Johnson, was told point blank his "standard" arm was not suitable for turbo-charged super-uber powered Busa racing machines.
he did it anyway.
anyone familar with fatigue failure in metal? check out the pix.
this is not a catastrophic failure; it's long slow fatigue.
(yeah, I'm a degreed engineer and I did the FEA. . . )
close as SB-Customs LLC can pin it down, eracer was running this arm for some two years in competitive drag racing before failure.
anybody run two years plus at 180mph+ drag racing without inspecting their running gear?
and, according to an eyewitness to the event, eracer aka Ed Johnson made modifications to the stock design.
SB Customs LLC offered to replace the swingarm, and power coat damaged parts, however:
eracer/Ed Johnson refused to return the (modified) damaged parts - wonder why?
insisted per "his lawyer" he was entitled to recover his travel costs, track costs, travel gas/tolls/mileage, entrance fees, breakfast sandwich costs, etc etc etc.
while engaged in competitive closed track racing,,,, yeah, that works.
eracer aka Ed Johnson made super big hay with the Better Business Bureau that SB Customs LLC refused to address his "problem" - he neglected to mention to the BBB the competitive racing bit, the two years of racing use, his demands for a new swing arm, new bike, new trailer to put it on, new truck to tow the trailer, new garage to store it and a new house to attached to the new garage, his refusal to return "defect" parts, etc etc
(okay, a bit over blown....)
so, bottom line, no - SB-Customs LLC does not support such unreasonable idiots.
otherwise, SB Customs LLC stands behind its products 100%
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your a jackass from this post,first of all it wasn't on a turbo busa looks to be on a 1000 and second of all I very seriously doubt he was doing 180mph in the quarter on that particular 1000,and I very seriously doubt the rest of what you are speaking is the truth. :td:
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your a jackass from this post,first of all it wasn't on a turbo busa looks to be on a 1000 and second of all I very seriously doubt he was doing 180mph in the quarter on that particular 1000,and I very seriously doubt the rest of what you are speaking is the truth. :td:
That is a turbo'd 1000 and I'd say 180mph isn't unreasonable.
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now that all the crappola has died down, here's a couple facts regarding eracer's issues:
anyone familar with fatigue failure in metal? check out the pix.
this is not a catastrophic failure; it's long slow fatigue.
(yeah, I'm a degreed engineer and I did the FEA. . . )
no dog in the fight but...
look at the picture, there is minimal penetration on the piece still welded to the arm
Looks like the piece separated at the weld, then tore the remaining metal
I would guess if litigation is involved the last thing anyone would do is give the evidence back to the manufacturer... I'm sure you will have the chance to see it in the future...
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Tom sounds like the owner(loser) of crappy sb!!..My bike goes 170 plus in 1/4 and is mostly a streetbike..and selling crap arms that break and how you handled your business is the problem..not what people do with there arms!!!...most ppl buy extended arm to race dumb ass..and i guess I was the dumb ass for not buying a well know name brand arm and believing you were goin make it right in the first place!!!
I know by you signing up under these new names you feeling the pain in your crappy small sham you call a business.!!.and Im not gn stop telling ppl till your out of business!!!!!..hopefully no-one gets hurt or killed in the process!!!!!
He knows of bunch other arms that broke and he chooses to keep making junk crap.that breaks!!!!!
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And how did I modify the arm?..you can see cold welds and crappy china fence post aluminum!!!!
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Yeah that was all welding problem. i am no master at welding aluminum but i know junk when i see it
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eracer can whine all he wants.
SB Customs told him the arm was not suitable for turbocharged drag racing - he did it anyway.
SB Customs offered to replace the arm, he declined the offer.
for all the welding experts, the photo clearly shows the weld intact on both the cross member and the shock mount. so much for cold welds.
check the bulge in the cross member. it has been over stressed, repeatedly, and finally the weld bead itself fractured.
as to other arms breaking, etc. - interesting fabrication. wonder why SB Customs has not heard about this.....
SB Customs has supplied literally hundreds of stock, 240, 300 and 360 extended arms for all the GSXR, Busa and Kawasaki models.
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Im goin whine till you meth heads are in the unemployment line!!!!!!
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Your lucky I wasn't hurt!!!!..But I'm really pissed cause I could of been!!!
And Your junk stuff messed Up My showbike!!!
A replacement arm..sure so I can worry when I ride!!!...You have a F rating By the BBB for a reason!!!..and Im goin to warn ppl till Your out of business!!
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>>You have a F rating By the BBB for a reason!!!..
might want to check on that. apparently your BS didn't fly there, either.
http://www.bbb.org/washington-dc-eastern-pa/business-reviews/motorcycles-supplies-and-parts/sb-customs-llc-in-red-lion-pa-235984501/
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You are correct the weld is mostly intact BUT there is 0... that is ZERO penetration
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It was a F Rating you must of cleaned that up somehow..just like your trying clean up your junk parts that break thread here!!!!
Your just making youself and your new fake screen name(not even sure if u have a name here lil scotty) more dumb than you already are!!!
Heres some stuff thats not BS..your stuff is shitty.and made in china aluminum.you cant weld for shit.your parts break.you know about it and choose to do nothing.your a pos bad bussinesman and a overall sucky person.of no honor!!!!...noone here goin stick up for you or your junk shit..now go smoke some more meth!!!!!!
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it's not a fake screen name
SB Customs sources the 6061 aluminum from a mill in Georgia, United States of America - just in case there's a Georgia, China
you were told by SB Customs the arm was not intended or suitable for turbocharged drag racing. you did it anyway - now you want some one else to be responsible for your mistakes.
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So your not Scott..You must be his lawyer then you know so much about all this!!!
And I was never told My swingarm would break dumb ass!!!!!
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you were told by SB Customs the arm was not intended or suitable for turbocharged drag racing. you did it anyway - now you want some one else to be responsible for your mistakes.
So you must be the only company ever who makes swingarms who claims your product is "not suitable for turbocharged drag racing." :bah: Yeah, I'm sure people reading this are going to be knocking at your door wanting you to make a swingarm for them. :lol:
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Happy to anounce SB CUSTOMS posted there goin out of business!!!!!!!!!.....I hope i helped that process but Im sure the crappy parts that break and bad business practices finally got ya!!!
He wrote hes goin in a differemt direction..lmfao..hopefully cleaning toilets cause your and your stuff is shitty!!!!!!
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nice to see you bit into that.
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Me to..and wondering if another set is goin break kinda scary!!!! ...My whole swingarm broke and My links held up fine..maybe a bad batch links???
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and now you can explain breaking swingarms that were recommended for your application.
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>>You have a F rating By the BBB for a reason!!!..
might want to check on that. apparently your BS didn't fly there, either.
http://www.bbb.org/washington-dc-eastern-pa/business-reviews/motorcycles-supplies-and-parts/sb-customs-llc-in-red-lion-pa-235984501/
I am no part of this but its back to F again :)
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...back to F again
yes indeed. and it will stay there.
as a company SB Customs has disowned the Better Business Bureau.
read their crap: "... we don't know enough about this company, .... so we give them an F."
SB Customs LLC awards the BBB our coveted triple FFF award for most bull*hit on a stick.
we do not respond to their idiotic "complaints" anymore.
our ethics exceed their ethics by light years.
now, if a company chooses to "join" and pay them a couple hundred a quarter, then they'll consider the case.
most people call that extortion.
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and others (legitimate shops) call it the price of doing business.
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So they didnt go out business and that way all lies also???
Guess ill keep telling the world about them....i could do this forever!!!!!...and tom if yor not the drunk scumbag ower Scott who the hell are you????
And the bbb rating is there for a reason.. But most didnt report them after having problems(and theres many!!!)..i did and few others..how you got it taken off at first i dont know or care...I will continue to tell ppl how sucky your junk shit is!!!!
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Guess Ill bump up all My ads on all the websites...thx drunk for letting Me know!!.....I know I caused you to lose money like you did when your junk shit messed up MY BIKE!!!!...Karma will get ya sooner or later!!!
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EviL heard My story and stepped up and sponsored Me a arm!!!
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and you broke it.
so, all this stuff about how every and any swingarm made for any bike must be suited for any use is . . . true?
heh, at least SB Customs was honest enough to tell you the arm was not suited to your purpose.
babble rant and rave on. your were told, you did it anyway.
you got another arm.
you broke that one.
babble rant and rave on - you can start by explaining the facts, as you are reporting them.
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Again...whats this your business if your not the person who made My junky part that broke????..And My Evil arm DIDNT break..Scott You must be drinking!!!
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that's odd. over here
http://www.suzukihayabusa.org/forum/index.php?topic=162013.msg1560333;topicseen#msg1560333
you said:
« Reply #3 on: October 25, 2013, 09:53:16 AM »
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Me to..and wondering if another set is goin break kinda scary!!!! ...My whole swingarm broke and My links held up fine..maybe a bad batch links???
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I believe he was pointing out that when the arm from SB broke, that his links still held up fine.
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lemme see, he so loudly reported his version of 'truth' here in July of 2012, and it took him until October of 2013 to complain his link broke?
no. not holding any water.
his complaints of "wouldn't do anything about it" are completely false.
he was offered a replacement with caveat - declined
he was offered a refund - declined
it's all posted here - he's admitted his deception.
everyone seems to insist that any swingarm that fits up to a bike must be be suitable for unlimited horsepower drag racing, off road use, Evel Knievel bus jumping, whatever.
something, again, broke. perhaps there's an installer problem, as the link maker thinks?
in October 2013 the affected swingarm was "whole swingarm broke" but now in November 2013 that's not true; apparently it's made from some self-healing metal.
frankly I think there is a really serious question about some people's creditability.
as do our customers.
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dunno that's between you two. but as far as your statement about the swing arm not being for his use...
are there that many people who buy a stretched arm that's not for race/turbo/nitro use?
would it not be in the manufactures best interest to OVER engineer their product for safety\ legality issues?
have the swing arm designs been tested to failure?
does SB sell a different version that is for this use?
does SB state on the website and warranty card that it's not for this use? is there a warranty at all?
as for bashing the BBB... agree with them or not that's just not very professional.
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My opinion is buy from someone who has tested and true equipment rather than the best deal around, especially when its our ass on the bike. I have learned this lesson the hard way with other equipment which was luckily not an arm or something that could cause a crash. I am luck enough to say my choice in arm was a decent one, at least from the strength and safety standpoint. I also snicker at people fabricating arms but also stating not made for race use or whatever disclaimers are on there. Do we buy these parts to park the bike in a museum?? :bike:
Besides the "he said she said" going back and forth here, I would trust Mike from SAE post on the first page and his opinion as one of the most valuable on what he noticed on the product, since he is a welder and machinist in his shop among other things.
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Well like i said gave the nobody company a chance everyone started out some where...and was NEVER told not to race or how many hp it would hold ect!!!!
You just make yourself look more stupid and your keeping this post alive thx Im sure its helping business...lmfao..your the.owner and your lying and trying explain why your junk broke!!!!....
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And was only offered another junk arm not a refund.!!!..and to re-powcoat my damaged parts...lol...my plastic.kickstand.oilpan.subframe.airshifter ram and bracket.and more were damaged..cant re powdercoat some of those parts..there broken.powdercoat wont fix broken parts..
Heres the facts..your swingarm broke.messed up my bike and I was almost hurt.you knew of others breaking and chose not to do a recall or fix or pay for the stuff your faulty parts caused.
You claim your junk crooked stuff is for off road use only...lol..Im sure extended and wide tire bikes are always riden off road..thats just your attempt and saying your junk stuff is goin break and your not responsable!!!!!!!....
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rant rave babble and whine.
you were told not to do it
you did it anyway
you got another arm
according to you, you broke that one.
well, sort of. in Oct it was all broken, by Nov it did not break.
>>your lying and trying explain why your junk broke!!!!....
who is lying?
the swingarm broke because you used it in an application which exceeded the material strength
you were told not to do it - you did it anyway
and now you've broken another arm - soon you'll be full-time occupied putting companies out of business.
>>" for off road use only"
this is why SB Customs insists on talking to prospective customers. some people cannot / do not read.
as to keeping this thread alive - definitely going there - you're doing a real fine job of showing the world your problems.
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Man..your stupid...for second time.i never said My eViL arm broke dummy..a buddie broke a lowering link...and your junk arm broke and those same links didnt in my case!!!
Amd keeping this post alive is just showing people how stupid you are and a reminder not to buy anything from you cause its all junk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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And again..was never told not to drag race with your junk...lol. And talk to the prospective buyers..lmfao..ok (potential customer) so how much does your girlfried weigh?..nope sorry ower china junk aluminum and late nite drunk welded process wont hold your fat girl up..get a arm from well known company..thanks for calling!!!...lol
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Man..your stupid...for second time.i never said My eViL arm broke dummy..a buddie broke a lowering link...and your junk arm broke and those same links didnt in my case!!!
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« Reply #3 on: October 25, 2013, 09:53:16 AM »
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Me to..and wondering if another set is goin break kinda scary!!!! ...My whole swingarm broke and My links held up fine..maybe a bad batch links???
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explain:
" a buddie broke a lowering link...and your junk arm broke and those same links didnt in my case!!!"
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" My links held up fine.."
would that be: "My" or "My buddies'" or my imaginary friend or . . .
and since nothing else broke, explain "My whole swingarm broke"
keep it going, you're doing a bang up job of proving yourself not exactly believable.
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Wow...thats good stuff your drinking...lol....
My buddie broke a link and your junk arm broke on my bike..we both have same links...what part dont you understand??????????
Keep this post alive...lmfao!!!
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will file with the other imaginary buddies and friends cited above.
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I weld for a living,and have been doing so for the past 22yrs...if my welds fail buildings blow up,people die. I can tell you with 100% certainty the weld pictured on the 1st page has absolutely zero penetration and would NEVER pass any bend or xray test. Its a shit weld,to say otherwise proves how little you or anyone else knows about the topic. Any dummy can buy a Tig machine and with a few days practice lay down half way decent beads,doesnt mean its a quality weld...
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Yup..the welds looked good on outside...but no way to tell how well they burned in to other surface...funny thing is he writes about what i wrote (which is pretty clear) and not just admit his junk parts break..like i said before.after my incident i heard and seens pics from others whos SB arms broke.were crooked.one had two different adjuster blocks...one kawi one suzuki!!s.... Rim at sae outlaw all wobbly seen it with my own eyes and that arm wasnt straight either...
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Yup..the welds looked good on outside...but no way to tell how well they burned in to other surface...funny thing is he writes about what i wrote (which is pretty clear) and not just admit his junk parts break..like i said before.after my incident i heard and seens pics from others whos SB arms broke.were crooked.one had two different adjuster blocks...one kawi one suzuki!!s.... Rim at sae outlaw all wobbly seen it with my own eyes and that arm wasnt straight either...
Whats up Ed,its Oldgixxer...I have a different screen name here :mrgreen:
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Same ole stuff My friend....talking about same shitty swingarm that broke!!!!
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I've seen several stock stretched arms that have never failed. Even after 10 effing years of hard drag racing. I guess the factory welds better than this douchebag.
If you knew his arm was not up to the task you shouldn't have modded it in the first place you dipshit!
Your welds did not penetrate and as an amateur welder even I can see that. When dealing with parts such as a swingarm, you best know your welds are 100% or have them xray'd before tackling something that could result in a death. Even if he wasn't drag racing, I would venture that arm would have failed after a few normal bumps and ruts in the road going a measely 40mph.
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Whoa...whos a dipshit???..
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Whoa...whos a dipshit???..
....not you brother....
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O you also said someone knew it wasnt suited for my use and was modded?
I never modded it and def didnt think it would break..but you live and learn..
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Guess hes still in business :shock:...and cant see how...so bump for a chump and bad businessman!!!
Stay away stay safe...stick to name brand companies!!!!!!
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Sorry for reviving the thread, but I just was thinking out loud and realized I've had my SB-Customs swing arm installed on my bike for over 5yrs now and decided to search to see if others have used them after me... Sad to see this, but mine is still solid as day 1 and looks just as good still. I had a great experience with both Tom and Scott, got the chance to talk to both of them throughout the process.
For the record, I distinctly remember their site having a disclaimer saying it's not meant for drag racing or something to that effect. I do not recall turbo being part of it.
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Terry McIntosh..........and that is all I have to say about that. From first phone call to my front door was 5-6 weeks. 2-6" over Pro-Lite are stock black powder coated, welds look as good if not better than factory, 1/4" thick alloy both sides. Top and bottom of arm are 1/8" thick. All bearing races installed and ready to bolt on, 5 lbs lighter than stock.
1425 to my front door.
QUALITY DOES NOT COST, IT PAYS.
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Well I'm glad yours didn't break.alot of.others have,and im.glad you also bumped this ad.scotts.a.pos and didn't make.it right..
If you almost crashed.the arm.you bought messed up your bike and owner did nothing I'm sure you be pissed also..so.extended.arms.aren't for bikes that are raced?..thats a good one!!..and my a stock motor 6lb boost is a baby turbo bike.not 500 hp pro street bike!!
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I'm sure he added not for drag after mine broke..he actually told me.they were for.off.road..lmfao..cause let's face it alot wide tires bike and extended arm bikes.go.off.road!!!..guys a clown and a drunk and his stuff fails..I had about 15 people email me.saying he knew about others and has done nothing about there damage either..good luck and I hope you have good insurance!!
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To me, one broken arm out of 1,000 is one too many. I guess that is an unrealistic expectation, at least from SB. Not trying to make an enemy but we have a world-class welder here in town who taught it for his entire working career - Freddie - who won Sturgis in Harley Top Fuel recently. I've known him for 20 years and his stuff looks a fugguva lot better than what I have seen on this thread. He used to weld on my cylinder heads on my old Shovelhead strokers - both were 109 inchers back when 109 inch Hoggs were not that plentiful.
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v194/E-RACER/sb.jpg)
That is double ugly welding. You can really tell by the two in-tact tubes that look like someone smeared bathroom caulk over them with their fingers and then spray painted it black. :td:
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This is interesting, specifically post #15...
www.suzukihayabusa.org/forum/index.php?topic=62055
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This is interesting, specifically post #15...
www.suzukihayabusa.org/forum/index.php?topic=62055
A picture is worth a thousand words, as old mama used to say, when she caught me in bed with my first cousin, a female, in case you were wondering.
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You laughin' again? I don't think its' nice you laughin'. See, my mule don't like you laughin', he gets the crazy idea you're "laughin'' at him........but if you apologize, like I know you're going to, I just might convince him you didn't mean it. :mrgreen:
I ended up marrying her (no, we ain't hillbillies) on May 4, 1974 and we stayed together for 3 1/2 years..........until she finally realized what a horrible mistake she had made. :wink:
Outrageous sex, but different life goals...........she ended up with a six figure government job in DC and never married again.........guess I ruined it for her. She has, I believe, now gotten close to retirement age and owns a beautiful home in Durham, paid for, and has close to a million stashed away plus her govt. pension.............when she leaves........according to her brother.
I ended up with Lynda, she has remained with me for 35 years now so I think this one is a keeper. :tu: Marvelous cook, fantastic mother and mate/friend, world traveler, great physical shape, and most of all..........................she still loves me, I can feel it and see it in all she does, don't have to hear it, just know it, just like I know the sun will rise tomorrow. You cannot put a price on that - it is priceless. :tu:
When I had reached to "low point" with the vodka/beer and valium, I took my pistol-grip 12 gage and blew three 00 buck rounds into my town house walls when we were separated. That was the end. She pulled me out of that shit and got me into rehab with the VA and I got "clean". She did not have to do that. But she did.
The woman saved my life. :hrt:
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#15. I made few movies and I shouldnt of and apologized .what's that got do with selling crappy crooked stuff and shitty arms that break?..!!!!! Is this the master welder Scott himself with new screen Name?
I know for fact you lost alot business because of me and still dreaming of the day I see you!!!.we can make video of that it be called eat My f**t!!!-.
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Just read all comment again and see you have one his arms and aren't him (he had few screen. Names here)..I'm happy for you it didn't break yet.and hope you don't get hurt if it does!!..sliding sideways and messing my show bike up will have person. Pissed..then he called me drunk k one night talking shit!!
Out paths will meet again some day and I guarantee you won't be talking shit..
Ps.he's on alot black lists you quoted one of me. Making a few movies..not that it was right but hardly justifies a business selling parts that he knows have broken before and can get someone killed!!