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GENERAL => MAXIMUM OVERDRIVE => Topic started by: fvance on June 29, 2013, 01:21:34 PM
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Who is going to Bonneville this year?? What meet and what class? I will be riding my bike at Speedweek, 2000cc MPS-F. The other bike, that Brenda Sue rode so well last year, will run at World of Speed 1350cc APS-G With Johnny Cheese riding. :bike:
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We are entered Fred , Bubs, WOS and Shootout
1650 APS-BF, 750 APS-BF, for Kim and myself, not sure if Jim is running the 750 A-BG or Larrys old busa or both
Now i just have to finish our 2 bikes, there due to be loaded for shipping next weekend
Bringing from Aussie the Busa, 750, turbo zx14, NA ZX12 and a Jawa
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Entered the Busa so far, still need a rebuilt turbo for 750 and get the new secondaries working.
A Jawa?
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Hi everbody ! Going to bub's in aps-af 1650cc class,& like to go cooks shootout & see who breaks 400 first ? :tu: sam wheeler ?
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I am pretty sure I am going to stick around and watch the shootout. We could see history made, not only bikes but cars like the Turbonater, Speed Demon, Treat, etc..
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Thats for sure Fred
Last time when Speed Demon was about to run , we would down tools and bolt for the viewing area
spectacular is an understatement
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I'm landing in Salt Lake City on the Sunday so should be on the salt Monday with my APSBF-1000 with my buddy Scott and his APSF-3000 twin engine GSXR :)
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Getting closer!!! Greg has bikes in container headed this way. Getting last details worked out on mine. Had Jeffs and Tracys Busas on dyno and they are looking good. Want to get mine on to check everything is good with data logger etc. Found out one of the other shops here at track carries ERC 110 so I am good to go!
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I will be running SW and maybe WOS or WF.
H/BGMS H/BFMS at SW (if all goes well)
and
H/MS H/FMS at another event if my pops is up to it.
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I'm registered for Bubbs, working out the final details installing my datalogger and wideband, and long leaded swingarm.
I did a test and tune at Sacramento (1/4 mi) and had a massive backfire shifting into third and blowed up the seam on my muffler, so I purchased a brock 20" street megaphone. Boy howdy, the beast sounds good!
I need to purchase a can of ERC MUL/B and get back on Jim's dyno.
Do I expect to set a record? F___ no. But I do expect to run the beast for all it's worth, have an excellent time, make new friends, help however I can, and drink to the Gods of Land Speed at Carmen's Black and White.
Frankly, I'm so freakn giddy about it this year I can hardly contain myself. But I don't say a word to anybody about going fast. I just sit with a stupid smile, and don't bring it up to anybody who does not ask, which leaves me silent, smiling to myself, sitting in my own little world most of the time.
Hell freakn yea!
Daveeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed
Walnut Creek, Ca
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Daveed, put some mr12 in and it will really rock. :thumb:
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Finally got the Busa I bought from Larry together and on the dyno. Still can use some tweaking as I junked the PC3 and am using Editor, BUT--- made 255 HP and 145 torque! Gonna be a fun ride!
Gave me fits as the 24 volt system seems very sensitive to voltage, if one battery is down a bit it will spin over like a Mofo but no fire. Then the first dyno run it gave some FI codes so Greg had me disconnect PC3 and VOILA-- ran like a beast! :mrgreen:
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Oh boy jim ! Sounds like u r going have some fun ! & dave , first round on me :tu: , c u @ black & white
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Jim, should I be working on a way to take that bike home with me after you set your record on it at the salt :hys: If you want to keep the frame I'm sure we can work something out... :wink:
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BUB. 1650 APS-F. 8)
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Newbie asks... How many times on average can you drive during BUB event?
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First couple of days will be a bit slow, still get in a couple or more runs a day, but as meet progresses you can do more and more runs--dependent on how your bike holds up and servicing it.
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Yep lines can be long on the first days , but they get through them pretty quick,
there are 2 tracks with several starting points each and running 2 directions and pretty slick management plan to make it happen as easily as it does
be prepared for several hours in the 30-35 deg c sun , bring shade like beach umbrellas , and drink alot of water
management suppies popups for shade at pregrid lines and each start position, but it can't always fit everyone and you can be wearing leather for a lot of the wait .
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And newbie asks again... do you know how the ERC fuels are priced? We have been using VP MS109 in our bike but based on the specs ERC A-8C would do as well and would be easier to get at the place.
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Who is going to Bonneville this year?? What meet and what class? I will be riding my bike at Speedweek, 2000cc MPS-F. The other bike, that Brenda Sue rode so well last year, will run at World of Speed 1350cc APS-G With Johnny Cheese riding. :bike:
We finally got all our ducks in a row. We are a go for Speedweek. :mrgreen:
Pre-entry and hotel rooms are all set. Nothing like going right down to the wire.
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8)
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We are really close to ready, only a couple of hours work :grn:how many times have I said that??? We had to change forks yesterday.
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I have been chasing my tail and I'm getting freakn pissed off. I've been chasing a low rpm off throttle stumble and die issue and it's killing me. I needed to go through my wiring and clean things up anyway, but dammit, give a dude a break. I was thinking it was related to messing up my wiring after installing a Daytona sensors wego 3... Disconnected that... checked wires connector to connector, thought it was the throttle position sensor, but it's good. O yea it's throwing no codes.
Not even 1/4 mile down the road, second gear, 25 mph no throttle... the motor will wanna die, if I blip the throttle I can keep it running but it will die if I let it. hit the starter and it starts right up. Under throttle it's fine, it's off throttle that is the issue.
So now I'll remove the throttle body's and fuel pump (1999) and check the filters and throw in a new pump I got lying around...
or it may be a kinky return fuel line.
Getting sick and tired of this crap 3 weeks before Bub's.
If anybody has any ideas, throw me a bone!
Thank you for letting me vent.
Daveeed
Walnut Creek, Ca.
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Daveed,
its a race bike fer god's sake.
Set the idle higher and run it!
How does yr HP dyno curve look?
if you are determined to fuk with something, put a pressure gauge on the supply hose to the fuel rail, then on the dyno.
Make double damn sure you have no leaks in yr plumbing.
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Who is going to Bonneville this year?? What meet and what class? I will be riding my bike at Speedweek, 2000cc MPS-F. The other bike, that Brenda Sue rode so well last year, will run at World of Speed 1350cc APS-G With Johnny Cheese riding. :bike:
We finally got all our ducks in a row. We are a go for Speedweek. :mrgreen:
Pre-entry and hotel rooms are all set. Nothing like going right down to the wire.
Excellent. I typically enjoy the last-minute thrash.
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Last minute thrash, so much fun :wink:. Yesterday we put the fairing on, it touched the fender. Pulled the fork tubes off the other bike. I was tapping a fork tube , the hammer bounced off and crushed the kill switch, had to take the one off the other bike. So much fun!! :hys:
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Daveeeed, I have a Gen II that has the same problem been up and down all over it, don't know if it is hardware, software, electrical, bad living, drinking too much, drinking too little, sunspots just don't f-ing know.
It runs like a million bucks on the dyno, scares the poop out of me on the street.
A couple weeks ago as I was working on the thing determined to get to the root of the problem before BUB my Karl moment came to me, screw it, stop wasting time on something that doesn't really matter just crank the idle up and run it.
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Just finished the bike, ready for Speedweek.
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My 750 started acting bad at low RPM this year as well, pre-boost.
Pulled off the check valve to my Map sensor and it had gone bad.
Put the sensor straight to the Vacuum line and now it works great.
Just something you could look at. :tu:
5 days of work left for me then on to Wendover
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Entropy said
How does yr HP dyno curve look?
Like a work of art. Freakn beautiful. Setting the cam's at 108/108 was the right thing to do.
MJ said
"A couple weeks ago as I was working on the thing determined to get to the root of the problem before BUB my Karl moment came to me, screw it, stop wasting time on something that doesn't really matter just crank the idle up and run it."
If I can't get the problem resolved, I'll run it like it is. I'm putting it back on Jim's dyno next Sunday. Jim thinks it's related to something on the low end of the map.
One things for sure, I'm all-in, just like the rest of ya. If I'm gonna show up with any hope what so ever to run faster than any of you, my shit better be perfect.
OK, enough chit chat. I'm back into the garage to clean the fuel injectors and replace the pump.
Daveeed
Walnut Creek, Ca.
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Daveed,
are you changing out the pump without testing delivery pressure?
Never a bad idea to get yr injectors cleaned/tested. Who are you sending 'em to?
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Just finished the bike, ready for Speedweek.
WTG Fred! Best of luck, I'll be listening to the live feed on the SCTA site.
Ryan, Jen, Carl, Jim, Greg, everybody haul ass and check in when you can.
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I will try to remember, Dean, Are you going to WOS?
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No, the bike (and I) won't be ready until next season.
What are your goals Fred? If you don't mind posting race plans.
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Yup, Just changing the pump without checking the pressure.
I have always been concerned that using any fuel other than Chevron or whatever tends to degrade the pump, but I don't know what I'm talking about, just guessing.
I got the pump last year and never used it. It's a nice new Bosch (not from china).
I don't have a fuel pressure gauge for the bike.... guess I should get one.
I will clean one set of injectors myself with my ultrasonic cleaner, and then spray bardall through them using
60lb of pressure.
If I can find sombody to clean mine and get them back to me within two weeks I'll do it.
Who do you recommened to clean injectors?
DD
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Daveeed if you find somewhere close for those injectors let me know , i will have a rush job when i get there
Flow at running pressure is more important than just the pressure , a pump can flow 200ml/min or 2000ml/min at running pressure
measuring the flow at the tank return lets you see the condition of the pump and filters
Dean, Thanks , be sorry not to catch up again this yr
All those going to Speedweek, Have fun, Go fast, Be safe
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Go fast Greg.
Daveed, call MPS Racing, they clean and flow test injectors in one day, $25 each.
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Daveed,
if yr bike is making hp on dyno, i doubt that yr pump is bad...
Injector service:
Wayne, Carol @ RC Engineering 310 320-2277, 20807 Higgins Court, Torrance, CA. 90501 Pacific: 8:30-5:30
Chris, Engine Logic 281 933 2262, 12202 Dover St, Houston, TX
Tim, Nancy Marren Fuel Injection 203-267-3835 91 Willenbrock Rd. Unit B2 Oxford, CT 06478. 9:00am to 5:30pm EST time Monday - Friday
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Have used RC alot--gotta go with the one with an address of "Higgins" CT.!!! :mrgreen:
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Jim are you going to be at Speedweek??
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Our bike flying to USA: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SAS935 (http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SAS935) :tu:
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Fred, we( me and all those Aussies) will be at Bubs, WOS, and Cooks.
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Jarim, I am in SF Bay Area if you need any help when you get here. 707 548-7906.
Dyno shop at Sonoma Raceway as well.
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Jim, really appreciated! I'm sure there will be tons of questions once we get there. :)
To add: DHL delivers our stuff to Salt Lake City where first group of us will be flying to 16th of Aug. Rest of us (including me) will fly there on 21st. We are staying at Montego Bay @ Wendover.
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Bikes arriving the 13th, Greg arrives on 18th,Kim the next day. Hope to pick up bikes and Kim in one trip. We will be at Motel 6 as usual.
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Jarim, Scott at Headsup in Sandy (SLC) will be the guy to check your tuneup at the altitude you will be running
just be sure to give him lots of warning , he gets very very busy at this time of year , think you have his contact details for the NOS .
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Good luck everbody at speedweek :bike:
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Oz, thanks for the heads up but I don't think we will be needing dyno with MoTec onboard. It basically adjusts itself to asked lambda figure and logs everything so maps can be adjusted later for closer correct values. :)
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What's the word, thunderbirds? :mrgreen:
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only that there is not much work happening here today as i listen to the streaming,
JHN fall over ?? sounds like whoever it is are alright
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Talked to Stoney a bit last night. He said salt was wet and slushy in places. Have not seen any fast bike speeds as yet. He got good licensing pass in the hit a bump and bent some parts. Hoped to fix today.
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Finally got tech'ed today around lunch time.
to much wind for me to do my First run should be out in the AM tomorrow to test the salt hopefully it will be good to go :)
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Be safe, have fun and go FAST......Fred and everyone! :thumb:
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Another forum member in a car rolled but ok, Stainless wrecked his yellow liner
Anyone have good news, my timezone means i miss a lot overnite
Fred ? Carl ?, anyone going fast
Take care out there guys sounds slippery
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My bike is working well I fixed all the things I had issues with.
But pulling past 180 I have a slight wobble (7mphENE) wind I loosened the steering nut 1/4 turn to see if this was the issue. It wasn't so bad that I couldn't keep going but I was taking my time as I am still doing my A license run I got 190mph in the 3rd then had a bad spin out and shot sideways but got out of it. I lost all speed to get over 200. Still slippery for me.
My bike is still showing 10.5 A/F ration so I leaned it out a bit more as well for tomorrow and I will try to drive as close to the edge as I can to avoid the squirrel trails that go though the center of the tracks at angles?
This may not be the year.
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Thanks for everyone willing to share their experiences on the Speedweek!
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Another forum member in a car rolled but ok, Stainless wrecked his yellow liner
Anyone have good news, my timezone means i miss a lot overnite
Fred ? Carl ?, anyone going fast
Take care out there guys sounds slippery
. Nope track sucks this meet
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So , been hard at work getting Larry's old Busa ready for the salt.Desalted and uncorroded a bunch of things as bike had sat for awhile. Longer swingarm, filled with lead, set back and lowered footpegs, re-worked exhaust and airshifter to fit after, fitted DL-32 data logger, and scrapped Power Commander and re-tuned with ECU-Editor---- 258.5 at rear wheel! Took it for short spin, what a beast!
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Awesome Jim, good luck. Got any pics? :thumb:
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Track #2 Wens and Thrus very good.
Got the wobbles out thanks to Karl and Kent. :)
Had 02 sensor issues and messed up my Micro tech lost too much power going rich on Wens 186 for 2 miles
Today Put map back to dyno and had lots of power
Did a Salt burnout sort of and hit 194 in the 1/4 saw GPS 196 then a big gust of wind turned me over on my side too much and pulled out and off.
Too much work to allow me to attend any other salt events this year but there's always next year
Race save everyone
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Too bad you couldn't finish that run clean
when that wind gets you all you can safely do is go with it , there is always next meet or next yr
not staying for a run tomorrow morn ? usually the lines are short and you can get a couple in , even back up a fast pass if you qualify
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No didn't stay, it was a team decision and I didn't want the feeling of this is my last chance to get it done on the salt.
I really don't need to take chances, there will be other chances other years. I have a wife and family to go home to.
We got a video off Scott's double and it shows how bad the gust were as the horizon went from flat to 30 degs.
Kind of showed us how limiting these APS bodies are and when you can run them.
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30 deg is lucky to be upright
6 mph cross wind is my current max on the busa , and i have a bigger tail to try , be more like 3 after that
in 2011 we had 2 750's at the start line a naked and a faired 14 mph side wind and no one was running , all waiting for the wind to drop,
after a couple of hours thought bugger it have to go back to the pits anyway may as well use the track , i went first and about the 1 3/4 mile and somewhere 180mph the wind was leaning me enough i just let it drift me off the course and rode back to the pits
Kim on the naked bike followed , 207mph , slight lean but said it felt good the whole way , qualified her for a record and hat
APS is a 2 edged sword
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i have mad respect for those doing amazing things on the paved tracks...getting
up to speed in such a relatively short distance...then shutting down right away and
trying to get stopped....
at bonneville alot more distance....but for those pursuing world land speed records...its
one of the very few places to do it.....for the required world record timing trap of a mile or
a kilo....
= coefficient of friction that is about half ) 0.6) or less than that of pavement....and a surface
that changes...alot......a very special challenge to maintain the traction...handling and power after up
to speed( around 2 miles or so)...basically another race beginning once up to speed for another 1-3 miles....
in addition to Ralph Hudson hitting a soft spot and loosing the front end at the 1-3/4 mile mark and crashing....
and at least 40 4 wheel vehicle spins, some at speeds as high as 315 mph...many complete losses....like Johnny
Hotnuts a member here...(the pic of what left is unreal) and also fellow member "Stainless" vehicle on video rolled
at least 16 times at over 250 mph...
also Stoney Fritz crashed this am ,at Bonneville hit a rut before the 3 mile mark.....at SLC University Hosp...7 broken ribs, spleen
at jeapardy, pneumothorax left side, broken scapula, still not cleared by trauma team...
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I may be off on the actual Degs but it was more then enough and I had the same issue in Texas my last run in 06 and as speed increased so did the tilt.
Not a good feeling and that's what it felt like to me again.
And Oz you are right APS is a 2 edge sword and I think 3mph is my max for sure now as well.
I did see one of Scott G.'s guys on a APS-BF2000 Start his record run in a strong wind and went 220mph, that was really impressive.
I think next B-Ville I will have a 2nd bike in the naked class to up my actual seat time.
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Thanks Joe i was wondering how he was doing, Mate of Jims
The video Stoney posted of an earlier run looked nasty once the bike was unsettled
Carl If its not just the wind , look for a lack of symmetry between sides or fairing to wheel
we fixed a problem with the 750 with just 2 well placed 5mm thick spacers on diagonally opposite fairing mounts and a couple of pieces of zig zag cut duct tape , went from a 175mph scary ride to a mid 220s on rails
Faster you go the more any imperfections show , ask Fred about lack of symmetry
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Yes I understand that maybe I'll feel rich one day and go for some wind tunnel work. maybe share a day with someone?
I had no issues with pulling to one side with less wind though.
The main fix for my wobble was to lower the front end.
And Yes for salt tech Joe has the answers :thumb:
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Johnny H-nuts Spun again?
I believe he did it a few years ago as well.
Damn, hope he is ok.
Edit:
Just saw the picture of his car...damn. Seems he is doing ok, just your "normal bumps and bruises" from rolling a car on the salt...
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Per Carl...""And Yes for salt tech Joe has the answers :thumb:""
dang, that Canadian beer must be flowing freely...
if i had the answers...i would have been there going fast...
alas...i have plenty of fodder to offer...and must be taking the longer road less travelled with the answers...
big props to youCARL, Fred, Osti, Jennifer and so many others out there actually getting salt on themselves....
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Ha Ha nope !! No Canadian beer for me for 6 weeks now. :cry:
Still sitting in SLC. I finally get home tomorrow.
And I'll be drinking my own special home brew this time home. :tu:
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Some great pics of a few folks in here: http://www.runs-on-salt.com/2013/2013_Bonneville_Speed_Week_Photos.html
I'd post the pics but he has the link feature locked out so I can't... :(
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OZ further thinking on my lean.
I was hugging the right side and wind was coming from the left.
I'm sure I must have tried to steer away causing the bike to tilt.
This was probity the issue in Texas as well.
last year I was up to 208 mph in speed with just the wobble to deal with and no leaning.
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If you have a reasonable side surface area and a crosswind your going to get lean, think of a sailboat with a quartering wind
needs lots of guys hanging out the side or it just falls over
Best example of tenacity i have seen in a cross wind was Howard , at Bubs a few yrs ago chunking offcentre the front tire , in a pretty steady side wind , when you think about it a little its both scary and amazing , and probably came down to it did not feel great but still within his comfort level as it was consistant
but the reality was a counter steer and slip angle that was pulling at the tire enough to distress the carcase and loose some rubber on the loaded area
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Not advisable to put a side load on the tires at Bonneville with all the ruts and grooves in the salt. Very uncomfortable to ride in a crosswind there.
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No for sure better to let off pull over and write post the next day for sure.
One thing I say is I have a family to support and I have to get back to work unharmed.
Push it when conditions allow.
And at Bonneville conditions change by the day or even the run.
Waiting in line see the wind get stronger and stronger is one of the hardest things to watch.
Also me and 110 degs heat do not get along so well.
Race safe everyone...
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I am back. The salt sucked, I couldn't get over 200mph. I made one run partial streamlined 200mph. slippin and sliding. I knew I was not going to get the 225 record I was trying for so I took the fairing off and ran naked. I think I made four or five run and one was 199+ and all the rest were 200. Two na bikes were hashing it out for top speed of the meet, one was a 1000cc and I am not sure about the other. That kind of says it all. There were several big hp turbo bikes and several big na bikes and none did any good. Well we are taking the 1350 with the catalyst lsr APS body on it to World of Speed. I hope the salt is better for Johnny Cheese riding it.
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Well well... hopefully the salt is atleast little bit better during the BUB event. Long journey for us and so on... :?
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I think JOHN LEVIE on
the SCOTT GUTHRIE RACING Bike
was fastest sit-on bike of the meet
with 225 mph (exit).
There were two 1000cc NA bikes with
speeds in th3 222-223 mph range.
The fastest overall was the
"Flugerville special" lay-down bike.
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Congrats to John Levie and you too Scott :thumb:
It looks like John also got his "red hat" - for riding a 1650 gas sidecar to 218mph! A mere 43 mph on the previous record. WTFG John, that's a fast sidecar.
3411B Scott Guthrie Racing 1650CC SC-G 175.481 218.420 Suzuki (2 Club)
Dean
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The fastest overall was the
"Flugerville special" lay-down bike.
Scott that is Pflugerville
where the Pfun is
Glad he got those injectors working, he almost didn't make it.
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There were two 1000cc NA bikes with
speeds in th3 222-223 mph range.
223 MPH for NA 1000! Wow
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Well well... hopefully the salt is at least little bit
better during the BUB event. Long journey for us and so on... :?
Have to see.
Weather.com showed rain patterns
over the track this afternoon...
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Congrats to John Levie and you too Scott :thumb:
It looks like John also got his "red hat" - for riding
a 1650 gas sidecar to 218mph! A mere 43 mph on
the previous record. WTFG John, that's a fast sidecar.
3411B Scott Guthrie Racing 1650CC SC-G (old) 175.481 (new) 218.420 Suzuki (2 Club)
Dean
Thank you Dean !
John did a good job with that sidecar
(The team now has three [3] sidecars for Bonneville.)
In addition, we had John's dad Allen license up to 193 mph
in the sidecar, so we will have a "spare" rider.
We put Allen on one of the CX650 Turbos', and he
responded by setting four (4) new records for his
rookie meet.
Good job by all.
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Well well... hopefully the salt is at least little bit
better during the BUB event. Long journey for us and so on... :?
Have to see.
Weather.com showed rain patterns
over the track this afternoon...
Sorry, newbie asks... would that be a good thing? :D
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8) 8) 8)
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Good effort to get over 200 in those conditions,
Jarim, just hope it stays dry, Salt is very forgiving here, most times it has rained while we have been here in the last 5 yrs it recovered quickly and racing resumed like a day or so after a good rain, but it sounds like there is more water in the salt profile this year and it will take longer to recover
one of the challenges of the salt
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Congrats to John Levie and you too Scott :thumb:
It looks like John also got his "red hat" - for riding
a 1650 gas sidecar to 218mph! A mere 43 mph on
the previous record. WTFG John, that's a fast sidecar.
3411B Scott Guthrie Racing 1650CC SC-G (old) 175.481 (new) 218.420 Suzuki (2 Club)
Deanro
Thank you Dean !
John did a good job with that sidecar
(The team now has three [3] sidecars for Bonneville.)
In addition, we had John's dad Allen license up to 193 mph
in the sidecar, so we will have a "spare" rider.
We put Allen on one of the CX650 Turbos', and he
responded by setting four (4) new records for his
rookie meet.
Good job by
. Good Job. To whomever rode the sidecar. Only mentioned Scott's name..Idk
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I am back. The salt sucked, I couldn't get over 200mph. I made one run partial streamlined 200mph. slippin and sliding. I knew I was not going to get the 225 record I was trying for so I took the fairing off and ran naked. I think I made four or five run and one was 199+ and all the rest were 200. Two na bikes were hashing it out for top speed of the meet, one was a 1000cc and I am not sure about the other. That kind of says it all. There were several big hp turbo bikes and several big na bikes and none did any good. Well we are taking the 1350 with the catalyst lsr APS body on it to World of Speed. I hope the salt is better for Johnny Cheese riding it.
Like Fred, Jennifer and I didn't have much luck out there either. We had power to spare but just couldn't get it to the ground. We couldn't adapt to the conditions. That's what makes Bonneville such a challenge. We'll be back. Hopefully better prepared next time.
Good luck to everyone who's going to be at World of Speed. Wish we were going to be there.
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Congrats to John Levie and you too Scott :thumb:
It looks like John also got his "red hat" - for riding
a 1650 gas sidecar to 218mph! A mere 43 mph on
the previous record. WTFG John, that's a fast sidecar.
3411B Scott Guthrie Racing 1650CC SC-G (old) 175.481 (new) 218.420 Suzuki (2 Club)
Deanro
Thank you Dean !
John did a good job with that sidecar
(The team now has three [3] sidecars for Bonneville.)
In addition, we had John's dad Allen license up to 193 mph
in the sidecar, so we will have a "spare" rider.
We put Allen on one of the CX650 Turbos', and he
responded by setting four (4) new records for his
rookie meet.
Good job by
. Good Job. To whomever rode the sidecar. Only mentioned Scott's name..Idk
JOHN LEVIE rode the sidecar for the record.
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i thought the sidecar carried weight (instead of a person) to simulate a rider???
Just demonstrates i AM the world's least observant person :hys:
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i have mad respect for those doing amazing things on the paved tracks...getting
up to speed in such a relatively short distance...then shutting down right away and
trying to get stopped....
at bonneville alot more distance....but for those pursuing world land speed records...its
one of the very few places to do it.....for the required world record timing trap of a mile or
a kilo....
= coefficient of friction that is about half ) 0.6) or less than that of pavement....and a surface
that changes...alot......a very special challenge to maintain the traction...handling and power after up
to speed( around 2 miles or so)...basically another race beginning once up to speed for another 1-3 miles....
in addition to Ralph Hudson hitting a soft spot and loosing the front end at the 1-3/4 mile mark and crashing....
and at least 40 4 wheel vehicle spins, some at speeds as high as 315 mph...many complete losses....like Johnny
Hotnuts a member here...(the pic of what left is unreal) and also fellow member "Stainless" vehicle on video rolled
at least 16 times at over 250 mph...
also Stoney Fritz crashed this am ,at Bonneville hit a rut before the 3 mile mark.....at SLC University Hosp...7 broken ribs, spleen
at jeapardy, pneumothorax left side, broken scapula, still not cleared by trauma team...
Guys,
Joe 100% nailed it here. 40 spins is crazy. More than I've personally seen at any other meet. By a LOT! I haven't been at it as long as Joe and lot of the guys here but 40 is a lot IMO. Usually you get a few, but not 40.
The conditions were less than ideal for sure. To me that's just part of what makes bonneville so cool. It's not the same from day to day. Let alone meet to meet. You have to be able to adapt. This week we weren't.
Joe, it was good to see Stainless and Jon at the banquet. Stainless was looking a little sore but in good spirits. We were next in line to run when he crashed. We were BS'ing with Jon and the guys in line while Stainless was getting dressed.
Hopefully we will see you back out there soon.
Ryan
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After looking at the run logs I see I made a couple of runs in the mid 180's. I guess I convientley forgot those. :hys: In my rookie year, with an almost stock motor I ran high 180's and a few low 190's and no weight in the swingarm. This is my sixth year of competing at Bonneville and the salt was way worse than any other time. Yeah I need some cheese to go with my whine. :hys:
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Fred I just accept it as Bonneville I've been going since 2000 and after last years rain storms I thought nothing could be worst.
Now I just feel its a gamble and better to be there and maybe have good conditions then not be there at all.
I came straight from work in Paupa New Guinea and was really jet legged for the meet.
My other option was not to race this year.
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Ryan (Osti33) brought up an interesting question at Bonneville.
Generally, it was if there was a MOTORCYCLE man / wife,
or Boyfriend / girlfriend in the Bonneville 200 MPH Club.
Probably the FIRST "pair" was Don Vesco and Marcia Holley
Don joined in 1963, and his "girlfriend" Marcia joined in 1978.
Marcia was the first female in the 200 Club.
The total membership of the 200 MPH club is about 750,
but there are only about two dozen women members.
A very few of those are "motorcycle" women.
There are a number of married couples from the CAR side of the aisle,
but I am unaware of any MOTORCYCLE married couples,
although Andy Sills joined The Club on Friday of the 2013 speed week,
and his wife Ms. Hunter is so very close on a 1000cc bike...
So far, I think that Marcia Holly, Leslie Porterfield, Brenda Sue Carver
and Kim Krebs are the only "Motorcycle" Women members of the
Bonneville 200 mph Club. This is not my specialty area in 200 Club
history, so feel free to correct me....
Scott
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Carl, good to see you again. It had been so long I felt like an idiot not recognizing you. I agree better to be there and take your chances on conditions than being at home and hearing about the great track. We will be back at World of Speed.
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After looking at the run logs I see I made a couple of runs in the mid 180's. I guess I convientley forgot those. :hys: In my rookie year, with an almost stock motor I ran high 180's and a few low 190's and no weight in the swingarm. This is my sixth year of competing at Bonneville and the salt was way worse than any other time. Yeah I need some cheese to go with my whine. :hys:
Makes those NA 1000 speeds even more impressive. BMWs?
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Andy Sill's BMW ran a best of 222 I think. Andy had the Catalyst LSR fairing. Jim Hoogerhyde had a gxr1000 that was about the same, 222-223, with the same fairings as Ralph Hudson, probably the best aerodynamics out there with the Catalyst a close second.
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@ Wendover. Raining at the moment (thunderstorm)...
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Thanks Fred.
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Welcome to Bonneville Jarim. A little different from Scandinavia.. Good luck. Pratar du Svenska?
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One more day of work , then off to bonnieville ! Yahooooo! :bike:
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Welcome to Bonneville Jarim. A little different from Scandinavia.. Good luck. Pratar du Svenska?
Thanks! "Little bit" different, yes. :D Nej, jag talar inte Svenska även om jag har född i Sverige. :tu:
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Welcome to Bonneville Jarim. A little different from Scandinavia.. Good luck. Pratar du Svenska?
Thanks! "Little bit" different, yes. :D Nej, jag talar inte Svenska även om jag har född i Sverige. :tu:
Jag var inte född i Sverige, men jag har hört att svenska motorcykel racers föredrar svenska får underlivet genomborrat i Finland eller Norge.
Är det sant?
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Wow Karl, that's a bit kinky.
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Wow Karl, that's a bit kinky.
just an innocent question :D
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LOL. Too funny. Karl, stay away from Google Translator. Injudicious use of such programs might have unintended consequences. Hint; they don’t always translate as intended. :hys: :hys: :hys:
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Jarim, you have a PM.
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LOL. Too funny. Karl, stay away from Google Translator. Injudicious use of such programs might have unintended consequences. Hint; they don’t always translate as intended. :hys: :hys: :hys:
Patric,
good advice. I should try to stay away from "unintended consequences"; should. :bike:
Are you gonna try & make Mojave?
Wifey & I will be spectating and i'd sure like to have a beer or 2 with you.
karl
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Haha guys and thanks Patric, just replied. :)
As for our bike, first start in USA: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=706024476092762¬if_t=like (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=706024476092762¬if_t=like)
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Jaram, Are you already in Wendover? Or anybody ... How is the weather?
I look forward to having a beer and talking Busa. I'm riding my Black piece of shit in MPF-1650-AG
I'm loading up this morning and start my drive today. I was told there are no hotel rooms through the middle of Nevada due to all the mining, I'll sleep in the truck if I need it.
What a month it's been finding my gremlins.
At least the bike is running.
Daveeed
Walnut Creek, Ca.
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Daveed, yes already here. Weather has been hot all time but thunder and rain also yesterday and day before that.
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Woohoo, I just booked a flight to SLC to attend the first part (Wed-Sat) of Mike Cook's Shootout! I will be available to help Greg Watters and Scott Horner if I can, and anyone else that needs it. Lots of fantastic open-wheel bikes entered.
Plus, at least 4 MEAN 2-wheeled streamliners will be duking it out in a race to 400mph- Ack Attack, BUB 7, EZ-Hook, and Mad Max.
Not to mention multiple wicked 4-wheeled cars and liners...
I will take lots of pics and post updates as best I can. Can't wait :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Dean
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Dean you lucky dog. I had planned to stay for the Shootout after WOS. Unfortunately things happening here at home will prevent that. It could well be a historic event, motorcycle wise.
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Dean sounds great I wish I only had the time to attend all the events I wanted to. :tu:
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Just pull in @ nugget wendover , some rain , but talk 2 fast eddie & he said denis love the track , so , no more rain & we r good 2 go ! :bike: davweeed where r u ?
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Jeff, my dad and uncle are there now. I'm still in SLC. If you see them make them buy you a beer.
MJ
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LOL. Too funny. Karl, stay away from Google Translator. Injudicious use of such programs might have unintended consequences. Hint; they don’t always translate as intended. :hys: :hys: :hys:
Patric,
good advice. I should try to stay away from "unintended consequences"; should. :bike:
Are you gonna try & make Mojave?
Wifey & I will be spectating and i'd sure like to have a beer or 2 with you.
karl
Sounds great Karl. I look forward to it. My racing partner and I are working on a new 1LE Camaro that we will bring if we get it done in time. The primary goal with that car is to run road racing events at Miller Motorsports Park in Salt Lake City and the Silver State Classic Challenge and similar events. But we also want to run 200 MPH in the mile so Mojave will be a shakedown event for that car if we get it done in time. If not, I will be spectating as well. I’m currently at Travis AFB outside Napa, CA and it is only 350 miles to the track.
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Will do big mike!
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Woohoo, I just booked a flight to SLC to attend the first part (Wed-Sat) of Mike Cook's Shootout! I will be available to help Greg Watters and Scott Horner if I can, and anyone else that needs it. Lots of fantastic open-wheel bikes entered.
Plus, at least 4 MEAN 2-wheeled streamliners will be duking it out in a race to 400mph- Ack Attack, BUB 7, EZ-Hook, and Mad Max.
Not to mention multiple wicked 4-wheeled cars and liners...
I will take lots of pics and post updates as best I can. Can't wait :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Dean
That sounds awesome Dean. I would love to be there to see that. Hopefully the conditions will improve a bit compared to Speed Week. However, George managed to set a record of 437 MPH and with an exit of 451 MPH, so it was doable in a good handling vehicle. I can’t wait to see if the magic 400 MPH barrier will be broken with a motorcycle streamliner.
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Did not find your dad , but did see chris carr ! :tu:
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Welcome to Bonneville Jarim. A little different from Scandinavia.. Good luck. Pratar du Svenska?
Thanks! "Little bit" different, yes. :D Nej, jag talar inte Svenska även om jag har född i Sverige. :tu:
Jag var inte född i Sverige, men jag har hört att svenska motorcykel racers föredrar svenska får underlivet genomborrat i Finland eller Norge.
Är det sant?
Hmmmm.... Not really sure about this..... I am Norwegian and I know what I prefer :)
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Wolf is that you doing circle work above us as we work on the bikes in Brentwood and Sonoma
nearly done, got them out of customs on Thurs pm , and hit Jims dyno with the 750 today,
last things i ran out of time for in Aussie 6 weeks ago will be finished tomorrow and hope to be in Wendover Sunday about 4pm
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Welcome to Bonneville Jarim. A little different from Scandinavia.. Good luck. Pratar du Svenska?
Thanks! "Little bit" different, yes. :D Nej, jag talar inte Svenska även om jag har född i Sverige. :tu:
Jag var inte född i Sverige, men jag har hört att svenska motorcykel racers föredrar svenska får underlivet genomborrat i Finland eller Norge.
Är det sant?
Hmmmm.... Not really sure about this..... I am Norwegian and I know what I prefer :)
As Patric warned me, now I am screwed.
I can't remember what i intended to have translated, and "reversing" the process yields nonsense about belly piercing...
oh well, Patric warned me... :lol:
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Wolf is that you doing circle work above us as we work on the bikes in Brentwood and Sonoma
Yes, I overfly Sonoma twice a week on local sorties on our way to the coast and then north to Oregon or Washingon. Look closely and you might see one KC-10 refueling another if we do a formation departure. We sometimes overfly Brentwood as well since we do airwork demos in that area.
Patric
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First day at salt done. I've to say the place is ... SOMETHING ELSE. We got the bike scrutineered after few little things and are ready to go tomorrow. :thumb:
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Hmmmm.... Not really sure about this..... I am Norwegian and I know what I prefer :)
Yngve,
what you seem to prefer is to do things at 110% level!
Thanks for all your technical posts, i eat that stuff up. :thumb:
Q: are you connected with Jari & Mika's efforts?
karl
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No. Never met them but someday I will go down and visit an LSR event in Finlad.
I am living some 600 miles NORTH of them and there is a language barrier as well.
We both read and write English but when it comes down to speaking...... I kinda forget most of the words :)
Reason I know a little about Hayabusa is that when I bought my first in spring 99 ( still have it ) nobody knew anything so I had to learn everything myself. Now I have build a few but have gone from dragracing to Roadracing and have an Old Kawasaki ZX9R I am modifying the best I can.
So far I have changed the following on my ZX9R:
Fork ( ZX6R-2010 Big Piston fork with triple tree )
Frame ( Swapped the 98 for a 2003 frame that are much more ridgid )
Swingarm ( ZX10R -05 )
Ohlins shock
Keihin FCR39mm carbs that I had to modify the c-c to fit ( they was from a CBR 900 ) and also the air box
1000cc pistonkit
z1000 intake cam on the exhaust ( had to weld on a pin for the ignition )
z1000 gearbox
Hybrid zx9r-zx10r clutch so I could get a Slipper clutch
Unknown 4-1 from fleaBay
169 RWHP ( it was 114 when I started but the engine was tired. A fresh ZX9 with a good exhaust has around 135RWHP on the same dyno )
You could say that I have kept the title and changed everything else :)
(http://s24.postimg.org/s1kf9r92s/zx9r_h_yre_side.jpg)
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Over on Landracing.com they are reporting that a highly modified Hayabusa went down at around 100 mph and it was from a Finnish team. Apparently, the bike nosed into the salt and then flipped back on it wheels and ran another 1/4 mile.
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Over on Landracing.com they are reporting that a highly modified Hayabusa went down at around 100 mph and it was from a Finnish team. Apparently, the bike nosed into the salt and then flipped back on it wheels and ran another 1/4 mile.
I believe it was the TFM (TeamForceMajor) nitrous bike, Jari Määttä in the saddle (broken shoulder).
Bike is at Scott Horner's shop in SLC getting a lil facelift. :thumb:
Hopefully Jari is not too bunged up.
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You could say that I have kept the title and changed everything else :)
(http://s24.postimg.org/s1kf9r92s/zx9r_h_yre_side.jpg)
(http://s24.postimg.org/gcgflsi44/zx9r_h_yre_side.jpg)
:thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
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Over on Landracing.com they are reporting that a highly modified Hayabusa went down at around 100 mph and it was from a Finnish team. Apparently, the bike nosed into the salt and then flipped back on it wheels and ran another 1/4 mile.
I believe it was the TFM (TeamForceMajor) nitrous bike, Jari Määttä in the saddle (broken shoulder).
Bike is at Scott Horner's shop in SLC getting a lil facelift. :thumb:
Hopefully Jari is not too bunged up.
Arrrgh, that sucks, but glad to hear that the rider is OK enough for the team to focus on the bike.
WTG Scott Horner, I bet he didn't didn't hesitate 2 seconds to help these folks out, despite being busier mustard trying to ketchup.
Go TFM! Overcoming adversity makes for a great documentary! :thumb:
Dean
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Regards from University Hospital, Salt Lake City. Indeed it was me that went down. I got a terrible wobble/waiver at around 150mph on fourth gear that didn't recover and I went down little before 1mile mark @ 105mph. My left shoulder got dislocated which they put back to place here. I spent a night here as they wanted to make sure I don't have any internal bleedings or so. Yep - didn't start very well for me but I guess I was lucky to get away with quite minor injuries.
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Jari
Two years ago at Bonneville I had a horrible wobble the start of 150 miles an hour and upon deceleration it didn't quit till 90 miles an hour. The forks were steady but the back end of the bike wagged back and forth violently
I solved it by careful adjustment of the steering head
If I can help you please call 281-753-3394
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Regards from University Hospital, Salt Lake City. Indeed it was me that went down. I got a terrible wobble/waiver at around 150mph on fourth gear that didn't recover and I went down little before 1mile mark @ 105mph. My left shoulder got dislocated which they put back to place here. I spent a night here as they wanted to make sure I don't have any internal bleedings or so. Yep - didn't start very well for me but I guess I was lucky to get away with quite minor injuries.
Ikävä kuulla että lähti noin liikkeelle. Saatko käden kuntoon ja pääsetkö vielä ajamaan ? Taxi vissii fiksattavana pajalla.
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Kyllä minun ajamiset on tältä kaudelta ajettu. And same in English; my driving season is over for this year.
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That's good to hear... nothing bigger.
Hoply team will get bike back to order.
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Sorry to hear Jari but hope you feel better and heal up fast!
Be safe bud and I'm sure your team will get your bike fixed up... :thumb:
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How are all the board members doing at Bonneville 2013 ?
We have finished the first (and biggest) two
meets of the year, Speed week and BUB's.
Almost finished for the year !
we were fastest sit-on bike at speed week, with a modest 225 MPH
(After that run, the engine started to go away, maybe having to do
with parts of the valves leaving the combustion chamber and
working-over the turbo on the way out...)
Almost as fast was our 220MPH run for fastest sidecar of the event.
(NA Busa GEN I, 1397)
We knew going in that Speed week (like BUB)
would be beautiful but slippery.
We therefore took some "slow" bikes,
and gathered up a total of ten (10) records.
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The 1350 goes to the dyno tomorrow. Johnny Cheese is going to ride it at World of Speed, new Catalyst fairing and tail. Some extra weight in the back, not saying how much or where it is. :hys:
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I had an astounding week at Bubs. Last year I ran RWB, This year I ran AMA class MPS-1650-AG. I consider myself a rookie on the salt and am humbled by the multitude of factors one must overcome to go faster, or at a minimum just get the bike to run a decent number.
I was pitting with Black Art Racing so I had experts at my side, but I'm my own man and do my own shit, except for some help from Fireman Jim to do some map changes cuz my ECU editor wasn't working. I was running 18/38 gearing but didn't really want to drop on my 19 because I'm freakn lazy, and it was hot. I have many changes on my list for next year.
I went 200.5 mph on my shake down run, and every other run was over 196 mph. Except one... Me and Jim went out late in the day on Monday or Tuesday and by the time we ran we had a 17 knot side wind. I knew I would have problems with the wind but wanted to log some air/fuel data. Yowwwww-Weeeeee I don't scare easy but needed to roll off while in the mile, I think the ticket turned out to be a 178, nothing like a two wheel slide, with a wobble, heading for the flags. Luckily the baby wipes were handy for me in the pits!
Very happy with my results.
Daveeed
Walnut Creek, Ca.
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Bike is tuned.pick up my leather tomorrow and leave Wednesday .
I am soon humble right now
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Go get it on Cheeseman. You have worked hard and helped so many people. Now it is your turn to have fun. Hope the trend of an improving course continues. :tu: LSL
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I'm going to bug work and see if they will let me come home a week earlier? Maybe I can make World Finals?
Bikes washed and ready!
If not 2014 it is.
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Go get it on Cheeseman. You have worked hard and helped so many people. Now it is your turn to have fun. Hope the trend of an improving course continues. :tu: LSL
eff'n +1000
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Looking for a "pit bitch" to help schlepp bikes around at WOS--- room and board and beer---- we have 3 bikes and it will be logistics nightmare as Greg's and Kim's bikes need ice every pass. At least I am running N/A bike this year as we all needed it in past.
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Larry THANK YOU!!!!! :tu:
Dean I am excited :bike:
Fred and I are on the road
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Well turning around the event is CANCELLED :eek:
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CRAP
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Dang it, solves that problem.
Fingers crossed for Cooks!
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Johnny and I are home. CRAP!! We will try again for World finals
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shit!
Johnnie & Fred, sorry to hear it got cancelled.
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Kyllä minun ajamiset on tältä kaudelta ajettu. And same in English; my driving season is over for this year.
Cancel that. I drove my own bike today. :)
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Jarim,
You went down right in front of me as I was watching while in the staging line. I have some video of you sitting on the salt, then walking around trying to pick up pieces! You must have been in shock. I also have video of your bike rolling down the course riderless. It was amazing to see a bike crash, then get up and start rolling again.
Sorry about your injuries. I hope you make it to next year's BUB.
Don
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At first I thought I got away without any injuries. I got up and saw my Contour helmetcam (which unfortunately wasn't recording) laying on the salt so I went and pick it up. As I did, noticed my left hand not functioning very well, thought first it would be collarbone issue but as the rescue crew got my leathers off I felt it was shoulder which was discolated.
PM'd you about the videos!
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How participants protect bikes and cars from corrosion, which can cause salt?
What is the result showed Jawa? :)
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"The Jawa" didnt make it to the timed mile on the mountain course, at about 80mph he developed a bad speedwobble and ended going down at about 40-50mph,, he spent the night in SLC University hospital as a precaution and was released the next day,, apart from a headache (landed on his head) and torn ligements in his shoulder, he is recovering well and is back at work trying to pay off the medical bill because he didnt have any insurance,, :(,,
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Does anyone have information on getting insurance for racing in the states?
Its one of the sticky things that is excluded in any travel insurance I try to find here in Canada
My work insurance covers me but its a screwy pre authorization type and a number has to be called before anything will be covered.
One I found for the race bike only covers it while the engine is not running and is still very expensive.
This information my help other international racers in the future for unexpected accidents.
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Best we have found so far is the AMA insurance or for us Motorcycling Australia available when you race AMA or FIM at Bubs
this covers for shootout too
otherwise i have had quotes for $2500+ for a single event
makes us think twice about the non AMA events , i would hate to think about the cost of an air ambulance and being hospitalised for any length of time
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O.K. I'm going to be brave and ask what kind of insurance are y'all talking about? I'm ignorant ....
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..., i would hate to think about the cost of an air ambulance and being hospitalised for any length of time...
My lil 30 minute +/- trip in a helicopter = $24,600 I bought heli-ambulance insurance at the Texas Mile, so it cost me nothing. :thumb:
2 weeks in trauma center + 2 weeks in rehab hospital = about $450,000
Food wasn't bad, but expensive!!!!
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it cost the Jawa rider US$14000.00, for a 125mile ride in ambulance plus a bed in hospital for the night,, thay have given him 12months to pay it off,,,
Entropy, what is this Heli-Ambulance insurance ye speak off ??,, as Oz B' has said above, we Aussies can only obtain insurance (at a realistic cost) to cover us for FIM approved events,,
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it cost the Jawa rider US$14000.00, for a 125mile ride in ambulance plus a bed in hospital for the night,, thay have given him 12months to pay it off,,,
Entropy, what is this Heli-Ambulance insurance ye speak off ??,, as Oz B' has said above, we Aussies can only obtain insurance (at a realistic cost) to cover us for FIM approved events,,
I've only seen heli-ambulance insurance offered at the Texas Mile. Sign up and pay $35?, get a ride to the hospital if you need it. That insurance pays the rest after yr health/accident insurance pays its max.
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I have Air Evac Lifeteam coverage which is part of AirMedCare. Air Evac coverage for me and my family for a year. It's good in multiple states anytime. Cost is $65 per year.
My normal medical is through Humana with a yearly out-of-pocket of $2000.
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If you are racing at the Texas Mile, it's worth the cost: http://www.phiairmedical.com/how-to-become-a-member/plans.html
Texas Mile racers discount is $35, family plan I think was $65 for my entire family added for a year!
For those traveling into the US to race, any chance your insurance covers you when traveling internationally? Kind of like when you are on vacation and something happens? If not, check into trip insurance. I know a few people that were injured on vacation (not racing) that had it and it covered medical flights out of Mexico and Europe back to the USA...
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yup, we have Travel Insurance (i think its compulsory ), but that dosent cover any of our racing activities "off road" so to speak,,,
dose one have to be a US citizen to qualify for US Health Insurance,?,, im thinking, this Heli-Ambulance insurance, what company offers it, would it be possible for an International visitor(racer) to buy coverage??,,
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Yes I buy the Texas mile stuff as well.
And I do buy the travel but it includes everything but racing in a motorized sport, parachuting, bungee diving, scuba diving and goes on with the most common sport tourist can get hurt in.
I'm just looking at something that will cover me from the time I get on the bike and if something was to happen.
My work insurance is out of Los Angeles and may have changed to cover me to and from work, I have to check on this.
It would be nice is all race organizers had an option to be insured under the entry.
I know that would raise the cost but then no one would be left hurt or worse with a big bill loaming over their heads.
I myself will never race with out life or Personal insurance to protect me and my family after a tragic event.
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I have to to be real Careful even in the U.S.A health I have covered even this back surgery was less than $7.000 used. But if I am on a track my life insurance is null and void.
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Insurance that covers a "phase" of an incident, has to be worth investigation/having, unfortunatly PHI Air Medical dosent appear to have a base anywhere close enough to Bonneville, so thay are not going to be avilable when needed,, is anyone on this site aware of a similar MediVac type insurance that would be applicable to the Bonneville/SLC area,,,
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I double checked the Air Evac Lifetime coverage and it is pretty much covers Texas through all of Ohio and South through Georgia. However, nothing further West than Texas.
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The SCTA entry includes an injury insurance coverage... but it is a secondary insurance and only pays a $15000 max. My Blue Cross Blue Shield paid my bills less the deductibles and my share co-pays. To my surprise I got a call from the SCTA's insurance company telling me to send any bills I paid including my co-pay or give their info to the folks I had not paid.
BCBS did call and said it appeared I was in an auto accident and wanted to know if there was another vehicle involved.... I told them it was a single vehicle off road accident in an uninsured off road vehicle. My out of pocket for medical is $0 so far.... wrecking the streamliner at 250.... well that cost is one I don't want to discuss.... :(
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The SCTA entry includes an injury insurance coverage... but it is a secondary insurance and only pays a $15000 max. My Blue Cross Blue Shield paid my bills less the deductibles and my share co-pays. To my surprise I got a call from the SCTA's insurance company telling me to send any bills I paid including my co-pay or give their info to the folks I had not paid.
BCBS did call and said it appeared I was in an auto accident and wanted to know if there was another vehicle involved.... I told them it was a single vehicle off road accident in an uninsured off road vehicle. My out of pocket for medical is $0 so far.... wrecking the streamliner at 250.... well that cost is one I don't want to discuss.... :(
Stainless,
we are all just happy you didn't get banged up too badly, yup.
Hell, YOU are the one who pointed Don & I in the direction of our lil Lakester.
It's all your fault. :bike:
Thanks!
Karl
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There are companies that offer it, just need to figure out which one covers the Bonneville area. Still looking for one with similar cost/coverage as others listed but this is one Utah company: http://intermountainhealthcare.org/services/lifeflight/about/bases/Pages/home.aspx
For other events outside/around Utah these are options west of Texas:
Mojave/SoCal/Northern Cal:
FLIGHTCARE: http://www.enloe.org/medical_services/flightcare_program/flightcare_membership_program.asp
Membership is $50 for family 1-year:http://www.enloe.org/medical_services/flightcare_program/documents/S7233762FlightCaremembershipApplication.pdf
CALSTAR: http://www.calstar.org/membership/default.aspx
Membership is $50 for family 1-year
REACHAIR: http://www.reachair.com/membership/
Membership is $65 per household 1-year: http://www.joinreachair.com/lp/101/default.htm
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Hello This will be My first year to Bonneville . Taking my 05 stock busa., lowered 1" for drags with full exhaust. Putting back to stock gearing , not taking my 2011 extended slammed, with head work cams, nos. set up for drags. doing 160+ 8.9 at 2700 feet elevation. Taking the gen 1 my first year to get some experience first.
any advice welcome.
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What event are you planning to attend?
Look at the rules for the Bub online, buy the SCTA rulebook if going to SpeedWeek, World of Speed or the World Finals.
Don't assume your drag race stuff meets the requirements.
Have fun and be safe
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Thanks, I ordered the rule book but didn't think to look on line, So far I found one friend that did speed week, he told me I would need a kill lanyard and a steering damper, shade and h20 /sunblock. He also told me of this website. I'm ok with stock class this year. Will know more specific class when I get rule book, or get on line. Was told they only have 2013 book now but will get the 14 when they process my membership and pay for speed week. Will be trying to go to any event that is similar conditions before speed week Bonneville.
Mark
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I have only run at Bub's so that's all I know.
Running a stock busa (at Bub's) you will likely run MPS-1350-AG if you purchase gas from the truck. If you run any other gas you will run MPS-1350-AF. Last year AMA wasn't allowing Stock ish busa's to run or record in APS. Consider "run what ya brung" at Bub's, but you will be limited to 2 runs with a 1 mile run up, and after you pay for extra runs you will be at about the same cost as a regular entry in AMA. Bounce it off the limiter in every gear, ride it like you stole it, hold it WFO until you see god, then shift. And drink at Carmon's Black and White. Plan on waking up at 5:00 am, rolling onto the salt at 6:00 am, and returning back to the hotel no earlier than 5:00 (unless it rains or the wind come up).
And absolutely accept your life will be changed forever, as will your bike.
Apply "Salt Away" to your truck or trailer, and bike before and after the event. Apply WD40 and chain lube to the chain every freakn evening. Apply electrical grease to all electrical connectors, and be ready to remove all your covers and re-clean every freakn connector, and WD40 the switches in the handle bars. Even if things are sealed up, salt will find a way in, it's guite surprising.
One more thing, normally first timers are responsible to insure the "old timers" remain well hydrated, it's best if you bring extra beer to prevent the old timers from keeling over due to lack of proper hydration.
And another thing, don't just sit in your pit. Walk around, talk to everybody, smile, laugh, make friends... we all have the same addiction.
Dave
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What dave said!
No cure for Salt Fever--- just treatment.
There is NO "other" venue to get you ready for the Salt,it is it's own unique world. Lack of traction, elevation etc all add to it. Any SCTA event you will have to have the "all cow" leathers--- no material allowed and very limited perforations. And you get to license up so be ready to spend alot of time in line to be able to go slow.
Where are you located?
And Dave, when were we ever back by 5??
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Thanks guys, it was already hard to keep my mind on work before I read Dave's post.
I live in Boise ID and my home NHRA 1/4 mile track is Firebird Boise/ Eagle ID Where I'm the old guy "57". LOL I Have a need to try new things to stay young.
Mark
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Get used to being the "young" guy at Bonneville.I am 61 and plenty of other motorcycle guys older.
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Get used to being the "young" guy at Bonneville.I am 61 and plenty of other motorcycle guys older.
Me, I'm 70. Probably one of the older M/C riders. Middle aged for car guys. :hys:
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Yes, I'm full of crap, and this is intended to be in jest, except for the part about the beer.
Psssst, Shhhhh, Just go with it guys... I'm trying to get us beer! I think I got him on the hook!
He already can't think about work, even with impending project deadlines, his addiction is starting to be socially destructive and he's only doing 1/4 mile hits... just as planned. He will soon be in our hands... a freakn land speed junky that will do almost anything for a fix. As it is, he working in his garage and it's freakn freezing outside.
Do you think we should mention he needs to understand he need to "hang around" before he's a "Prospect" and normally will be required to wash the salt off the bikes every evening, cook the daily BBQ, sweep the salt off the ground tarps every morning, and put up (and take down) the pop up can-o-pee's. And do whatever Santa needs to have done, and fetch parts from Salt Lake city. All per the user agreement he didn't read but accepted when he logged in.
I have way to much time on my hands!
Welcome to the club Mark!
Consider running at the Mojave Mile in April to get your mojo running.
DD
Walnut Creek, ca.
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is there a website to get the dates and requirements for Mojave Mile in April?
Mark
never mind found it
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Yes
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welcome mark. 8)
this is the stuff we use on our jet ski's when we go to the ocean.
http://www.wps-inc.com/catalogs/water#Task=PREV&CICID=WC&PRVCID=WC&PAGE=353&Rnd=3593628466089432
You can get it from moto one in boise or any other wps dealer. spray it on before you go down their and use it to wash your bike when you get done. We spray the crap out of our engine compartment with wd40. I assume you should be able to do the same with the engine on the busa. We dielectric grease the crap out of all electrical stuff. Here is a bigger 3 oz tube of dielectric grease instead of those little small ones from auto parts store.
http://www.wps-inc.com/catalogs/water#Task=PREV&CICID=WC&PRVCID=WC&PAGE=358&Rnd=8918165026861643
Call them ahead of time to make sure they have it. call before 10 am and they can have it same day most times.
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thanks badass I used wd40 on my boat when I lived in CA after every use. I know moto one and will get supplied.
Thinking about Mojave in April too. I will be able to use my 2011 extended Busa for that race on the runway. Just don't want to miss the two day points drags, street bike Firebird raceway. also in April.
regards
Mark
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Just go to Mojave and have fun. I plan on winning both of the races in april. :D
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gentlemen, I use the term loosely,
I received my SCTA rule book and am having a problem with the leathers part, Most leathers I have seen have stretch panels. rule book says no more than 12 square inches in a patch. The best leathers money can buy mostly have stretch panels from armpit to middle of forearm. This is more than 12 square inches. AE; Dainese. I have leathers but they are mostly perforated and rules say no to that. Also the rule of 2 peace leathers must have 350% zip , the name brand leathers zip together that they call 360% do not go all the way around. will this pass tech?
Thanks
Mark
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Your point??
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VV, welcome to Bonneville
350 zip stitched to the leather.... if it starts in the front next to the pants fastener and ends in the front next to the pants fastener then it will pass tech.
I would also recommend nomex underwear... or carbon fiber.
The all cow rule has been there for a long time... just started allowing some stretch panels, limited vents smaller then the palm of you hand were also allowed.
If you want to run Bonneville, your drag race leathers will probably not work...
That's what you were trying to say in fewer words, right Fred :hys:
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thanks
the two peace suits I am seeing have about a 7" gap from end to start. The manufactures are calling this 360 zip? I have a call into Matt S to ask before I purchase. If I have to I will have a new zip put in. The ones I am looking at also have the zip sown into the liner not leather. Like buying tools from Harbor Fright. take it home, fix it and your good to go.
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I got a set from this eBay seller, just needed to tell him about needing all-leather and zipper attachment. cuirsho
Or search for older leathers as they did not have cloth panels, have gotten several set this way. or found nice set of Vansons for my son when this rule came into being that were all cow!
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It ain't cheap but Z leathers will provide you exactly what you need. Adolph has been making SCTA approved leathers for years and understands the rules. Outstanding customer service too! :thumb:
http://www.zcustom.com/
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Quick look on CL brought this up--- look for something similar.
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/scz/mpo/4290637203.html
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that looks very nice, craigslist. abit small. was thinking of lipo anyways but I'm abit taller, size 54 eu. Left message with Z leathers and eBay's cuirsho.
I appreciate all the help.
Mark
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got leathers ordered from Bates in Lakewood CA where I graduated high school. go figure. getting Scott steering damper metal chain guard and mps kill switch
thanks for support guys
Mark
will bring extra beer for the old timers,
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anyone have experience riding an extended busa on salt flats?
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Yes, several members.
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Just a couple of us-----0 :mrgreen:
What is your question?
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I just sent off entrance for July 11th test and tune, Bonneville, and plan to use my stock WB 2005 busa to get the feel of salt, At 1/4 mile track I use my extended 2012 busa. My feelings is that the back may be light on extended if not using weights. Will find out soon.
thanks
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The back of your stock bike may be light without weight. Weight is traction on the salt
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Stainless1; I was thinking of bean bags of led pellets under the rear seat?
Mark
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You want the weight low and as central as you can. We sealed the lower frame and swingarm, drilled and tapped a big pipe plug in both and filled with lead shot.And they may not let you run bags like that.
The best way was big box built to sit low in frame and extended swingarm and filled with shot.
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Stainless1; I was thinking of bean bags of led pellets under the rear seat?
Mark
Please don't consider bean bags of lead shot, even in the unlikely case that tech permits them. If yr bike goes down and spreads those lil spheres all over the track, there is no way to gather them...
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I think I'm just going stock weight and take it easy. just gear change. I agree not to contaminate the track. too many hours waiting at the staging lane waiting for the track to be cleaned up.
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I think I'm just going stock weight and take it easy. just gear change. I agree not to contaminate the track. too many hours waiting at the staging lane waiting for the track to be cleaned up.
i agree!
are you planning on doing Speed Week this year?
(sorry if you already covered it "above", i don't get on this forum as much as i used to)
karl
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Yes speed week and I sent off my check for the test and tune July 11 to get used to it. Had the generator tuned up on my old breaking bad Bounder RV
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Test and Tune USFRA, but same rules. Got your all cow leathers? Full length chain guard, metal valve stems, CB and fire extinguisher for chase truck? Snell helmet?
What year is your stock wheelbase bike? Never mind, saw your sig line--- have you flashed it to get rid of speed limiter and raise rev-limit?
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Yes speed week and I sent off my check for the test and tune July 11 to get used to it. Had the generator tuned up on my old breaking bad Bounder RV
Great that you'll be at Speed Week. I'll trying out 4 wheels this year, but i have great interest in bikes.
karl
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thanks Firemanjim I didn't think of fire extinguisher , I do have two way radios, My girlfriend is a geology freak and she wants to take pit putter to explore the natural salt flats. I don't have program on my gen 1 busa to flash but was told I can put a resistor to fix speed 186 mph or 300 km speed limiter , I have a program to change CPU for my gen 2 bike which is set up for 1/4 but this bike is too long with out weights to ride on ice. I didn't think about steel valve stims... I changed stims on my wheels I use for 1/4 mile, shinko hook up. But I was planning to use the street tires Michelin power pilot. I never changed the stims on the rear wheel. NHRA made me change the stims on my wheels I use at 1/4. I did not see that on rule book. But I have time to do this.
I was planning to go up one tooth in front form stock. I have it down one from stock for street and 1/4. I use a different rear wheel for track with 2 to 4 up rear sprocket for 1/4. So for Bonneville I was planning to go one up front and stock rear. and get rid of speed limiter .
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Karl what are you driving at speed week? You will see my trailer in my photo. Like to say hi. I will have my old Bounder motorhome with Breaking Bad graphics LOL bullet holes on door. Trying to talk my son into going , He has 5 times the trophy's I do on his GSXR 1000 1/4 mile. we have on our bucket list to take a road racing class at a track.
Also I am getting new leathers from Bates because my 1/4 mile leathers will not pass tech. Dana at Bates Leathers talked me out of black leathers because of the heat. Having vents put in for waiting in line but was told just zip them up when You run.
Thanks again "you all" for your help, input and sarcasms.
Mark Sprague
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You should get ECU-Editor so you can go in and make all those changes needed. Better than a Power Commander--- and with a resistor you loose the 6th gear ram air compensation for map. Might want that at salt.
Make sure your radios are not FM but CB.
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Karl I am still alive and kicking with ZERO pain in my back :tu:
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Good to hear, Johnny!!
Same here after my new hip,sure is nice to not have PAIN!!
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Karl what are you driving at speed week? You will see my trailer in my photo. Like to say hi. I will have my old Bounder motorhome with Breaking Bad graphics LOL bullet holes on door. Trying to talk my son into going , He has 5 times the trophy's I do on his GSXR 1000 1/4 mile. we have on our bucket list to take a road racing class at a track.
Also I am getting new leathers from Bates because my 1/4 mile leathers will not pass tech. Dana at Bates Leathers talked me out of black leathers because of the heat. Having vents put in for waiting in line but was told just zip them up when You run.
Thanks again "you all" for your help, input and sarcasms.
Mark Sprague
Mark, My Partner & I are preparing a drop tank Lakester (open wheeled car) with a lil crate V8 for it's 1st salt adventure, #5448, B/GL. It'll prob be dark blue, white belly.
Since we are both driving and both needing license passes, we'll be making a lot of slow runs. And even at WOT, we'll be lucky to hit 200mph bc of the modest motor. This year is for shake down & to confirm stability; likely to up the hp in 2015.
On the Monday after SW we are putting the car in the Darko wind tunnel (Ogden, Ut) to get a handle on Cd, test some potential aero mods which should allow us to derive a pretty solid prediction of mph at increased hp, make a decision on what motor/trans for 2015.
Karl
BTW: do you have your hotel lined up for SW?...
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BTW: do you have your hotel lined up for SW?...
Karl, Shake down for me is for "me" more so than the Bike. I will have to look into loosing the 6 speed map thing. My tunner geek may have something for the map but he and I put so many passes doing recordings the map or my 1/4 mile bikes, I don't want to go through this again when I likely will not have skills to go to 200. I put a wide band on my gsxr 100 with a power comander and my gen 2 busa I have a computer program to adjust gear by gear, RPM and throttle position map, gets kinda spendy ! and the gen 1 that is stock wheel base I plan to take should do close to 200 before hitting speed limiter with one tooth up in front. But I think at this time I may run out of balls before I hit near 200 this year.
as for Hotel I plan to take my motorhome that I just had generator tuned up by Cummings with new carb. Put new refrigerator in it so my girlfriend will be comfy. It has 2 a/c units. I put a nascar style up exhaust on generator so it will be very quiet . So if anyone wants out of heat look for my yellow trailer.
Mark
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Mark,
Running on the salt is different than asphalt, if yr bike is set up right you won't have issues. In any event, you'll be required be signed off on 3 licensing passes before you are allowed to go over 200: 125-150, 150-175, 175-200. Plenty of time to practice yr tuck, etc.
However, the only time i did salt, my salt busa had an extreme handling issue which prevented me from even tagging 200, so i am no source of advice.
Defeating the speed limiter by reflashing is easy, even i did it. But reflashing for tune seems to give a bunch of people issues at the track. I used a Powercommander on both my Busas.
Be aware with yr coach that you cannot stay in it overnight on the salt.
karl
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Not to worry, your stocker won't do 200. If salt is good you may be high 180's to 190. But even good salt will add about 8-10% drag and at a base elevation of 4400" with the density elevation that can go through the roof, your HP will be down.
Surprised at you guys that still use a PC when ECU-Editor is available and will do so much more--- and one less thing to go wrong. I have had a Power Commander go south on one of my bikes.
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Surprised at you guys that still use a PC when ECU-Editor is available and will do so much more--- and one less thing to go wrong. I have had a Power Commander go south on one of my bikes.
Jim,
Flashing in the hands of an "expert flasher" (and i hear that you are one :hys:) is definitely the way to go.
But i've seen more people than i can count, sweating bullets in the pits, desperately looking for help on their flashed ECU's, while track time ticks away.
I heard plenty of tales of PC3's going south, and always carried a spare, but never had to use it. A little vibration isolation and good wiring helps a bunch. Changing fuel/ign settings takes less than a minute. Being that i'm not an "expert flasher", i went with old technology.
Karl
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Tires? I am planning to use Michelin power pilots I use on street 2005"Busa, and you guys told me steel valve stems. If stock motor is only good for 180 mph at these conditions, I may use stock gearing and not one up on front sprocket. I'm not taking my nos busa which has CPU with automatic different map when I spray. I go rich when I spray and motor looks like new with tear down. After I loose my cherry on the salt I may think about taking my race Busa, 2011"extendded, cams and head work next year. Baby steps.
Mark
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PC with ecu but PC for FUEL :tu:
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PC with ecu but PC for FUEL :tu:
hey Cheese!
you are doing WOS, not Speed Week????
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VV check which class you intend runnng and how the tire requirements affect you , easy to turn up with tires that are underrated if your thinking your going to be running 185 when the class record can be over 200
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I think there is only one SCTA 1350 class with a record under 200mph. So better plan on getting the approved "race" tires.
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can you guys tell me a good race tire that would be safer / better than the Michelin power pilot. I will be running a stock class and not looking for any records this year, if ever. I did have the 2'nd fastest at my home NHRA 1/4 mile track for 2013. with my gen 2 Busa on the bottle. Street bike class. I know some of you warned me of the chance of catching salt fever; incurable.
Mark
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can you guys tell me a good race tire that would be safer / better than the Michelin power pilot. I will be running a stock class and not looking for any records this year, if ever. I did have the 2'nd fastest at my home NHRA 1/4 mile track for 2013. with my gen 2 Busa on the bottle. Street bike class. I know some of you warned me of the chance of catching salt fever; incurable.
Mark
You need to quit saying stuff and listen.
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The 1350 production record is 211+. You will have to have a race tire. I run Bridgestone BT 003 on all my bikes.
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Karl, a mere apprentice with this flashing, still lots to learn at the knee of Mr. Watters!
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The 1350 production record is 211+. You will have to have a race tire. I run Bridgestone BT 003 on all my bikes.
Fred,
211+ seems impossible for 1350 production.
Are you sure of that number?
Karl
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Karl, a mere apprentice with this flashing, still lots to learn at the knee of Mr. Watters!
:hys:
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Karl pretty sure, I set that record in 2009. 213 one way. Ransom T went 211 at Loring.
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Karl pretty sure, I set that record in 2009. 213 one way. Ransom T went 211 at Loring.
:D :thumb:
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