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GENERAL => ROAD COURSE => Topic started by: scott g on April 21, 2015, 07:50:05 PM
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Look for this film clip of the "coming to Jesus"
between Rossi and Marquez on Sunday last.
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Although he would probably never say so............
I think Valentino knew EXACTLY what he was doing............
A quick look over his right shoulder to locate Marquez.............
the excuse of being "late" for the corner..........
having to "flick the bitch" a little suddenly.....
and down goes Mark !..........
Marquez "barged" Rossi in an attempt to force Rossi off line...........
didn't work..........
Rossi taught him a little lesson in "manners"......
.and it could cost Marquez the championship...........
Don't F..k with the "old guys."
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I wouldn't count him out just yet,that was only the 3rd race of 18 and he already has 1 win. :lol:If not for the tire selection he may have won that one too(he had something like a 4 sec. lead until his tires started to go away).
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I wouldn't count him out just yet,
that was only the 3rd race of 18
and he already has 1 win. :lol:
If not for the tire selection he may
have won that one too(he had something
like a 4 sec. lead until his tires started to go away).
You may be right.
On the other hand, he got in
a little over his head, and "gave away"
20 points that he would have had for
a sure second place.
Remember that he "blew" turn one
in the first race, and that's one reason
he is now 30-some points behind.
Dovi might win it if Marquez and Rossi
keep knocking each other out.......
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You may be right also,and instead of going balls out there towards the end(may be hard for him not to :lol:)he probably should've just settled for second place instead of taking himself out.
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"Dovi might win it if Marquez and Rossi
keep knocking each other out......."
'Knock (each other) out?' No one knocked Rossi out.
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Marquez just got a taste of his own medicine. He finally was on the receiving end of what he has been dishing out the last 2+ years.
Karma is a bitch!!!
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Marquez just got a taste of his own medicine.
He finally was on the receiving end of what
he has been dishing out the last 2+ years.
Karma is a bitch!!!
Yes.
It may have had more effect on Marquez than we knew.
Mark has often said Rossi is one of his "heros,"
and Mark has "great respect" for Rossi.
Looks like Marquez tried to "barge" his hero,
and his Hero put Mark on the ground.
Sometimes, you mess with your Dad,
he just slaps you down......
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If he'd(Marquez)kept the extra hard rear tire like Rossi he'd have won the race plain and simple,he sets fastest lap records pretty much wherever he goes. :lol:He's 30 points down for now but that's no biggie,has 15 races left to win them back.
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If he'd(Marquez)kept the extra hard rear tire like Rossi
he'd have won the race plain and simple,he sets
fastest lap records pretty much wherever he goes. :lol:
He's 30 points down for now but that's no biggie,
has 15 races left to win them back.
Well yes. It is hard to bet against Marquez......
Still, 30 points is difficult against
all the folks in front of him.
Had Marquex used the harder hard tire,
he would have been either
with or behind Rossi at 2/3 race,
Then we would have seen the difference(s) come clear......
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Rossi is running great this year,looks to be the biggest threat to Marquez.
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If he'd(Marquez)kept the extra hard rear tire like Rossi he'd have won the race plain and simple,he sets fastest lap records pretty much wherever he goes. :lol:He's 30 points down for now but that's no biggie,has 15 races left to win them back.
Wrong! Marquez said that he gambled on the hard because he didn't have Rossi's pace on the extra hard and knew that was his only chance of winning...jump out to a big lead and hope that it's enough by the end of the race. No one but Rossi could make the extra hard tire work. Rossi's teammate and 2 time world champ Jorge Lorenzo was also on the extra hard and was in total disbelief and amazment of what Rossi did!!
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Ok,I stand corrected,didn't see that interview. :lol:
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My personal feelings are this:
This race was an ideal match up between the old master
and the young - and wildly talented - pretender to the crown.
1) Rossi, with 20 years GP experience, gets to the race setup
much more quickly that almost anybody else - especially Marquez.
2) Thus, Rossi spent much more time in
practice on the "harder hard" tyre than Marquez.
3) Marquez's "spotters" were aware of the
laps Rossi spent on the "harder hard "Tyre.
4) The spotters also easily knew the lap times
Rossi was achieving on those tyres.
5) Marquez "knew" that he could not duplicate Rossi's times
over many laps - at least because Rossi discovered the value
of these "once in a lifetime" tires before Marquez.
6) Marquez looked at his own times, and estimated that his
best chance was to get quickly to the front (something he
was unable to do in the 1st race) and gap the field.
7) Rossi knew that if that was the Marquez strategy,
than Rossi would have to hold back a little to save his tires
WITHOUT letting Marquez get out of reach.
8) Marquez did in fact gap the field, but used up
too much of his tires - evident in being caught by Rossi in the end.
Also, by the time Rossi arrived, Marquez tyres were gone
to the point that his only hope was to "Block or Barge" Rossi.
9) Instead of trying to drop in behind Rossi
and slipstream him on the last lap, Marquez
elected - perhaps by mistake
(from a 2 times MotoGP champion ?)
the Block or Barge,
and lost all points.
10) Marquez learns fast.
11) Rossi learns faster !
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Marquez has broken an "important" bone in his
left little finger in a flat-track training crash.
His fitness for the next MotoGP race is in question.......
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Marquez has broken an "important" bone in his
left little finger in a flat-track training crash.
His fitness for the next MotoGP race is in question.......
I saw a picture of him with his hand in a cast.
I would NOT count him out in any way shape or form for this weeks upcoming race! With all of the electronics these days, that clutch lever doesn't get used the way it use too!
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I can't imagine anyone using a broken left little finger as an excuse...
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I can't imagine anyone using a
broken left little finger as an excuse...
And in fact, HONDA says both
Pedrosa and Marquez will ride practice Friday,
and then decisions will be made.......
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In my mind, Pedrosa is the only questionable rider.
Marquez WILL race!
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It's official. Pedrosa's out.
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Rossi is my favorite, but Marquez is on another level, as long as the same shit doesn't happen Marc will win another championship with Rossi 2nd. He's just that good, we'll and the bike. Like someone said if he was on the same tire the outcome would've been different.
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Rossi is my favorite,
Me too.
Marquez is for sure the face of the future though
and I appreciate his every on-track experience.
No doubt he has - baring serious injury - a fantastic future.
I ride Ducati high-performance bikes, (999R and 1199R)
on the street and occasionally the track, so I follow the
"team of the two Andrea's" avidly.
Cal Crutchlow has come into his own in the last couple
of races, and could be in the mix if the factory men
have problems.....
So much fun to be watched.
So much fun speculating !
And a special note to Steve,
and those who "know :"
Just remember, you and I are SO much
faster than those MotoGP guys........
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If you are a Rossi fan,
see if you can connect to this video
of the "ROSSI SETE" wars.....
https://www.facebook.com/scott.guthrie.3154
(Scroll down a bit)
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They did top out at 217 lately, at that speed it's still fun!
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Rossi is my favorite, but Marquez is on another level, as long as the same shit doesn't happen Marc will win another championship with Rossi 2nd. He's just that good, we'll and the bike. Like someone said if he was on the same tire the outcome would've been different.
I think that Rossi has proved this to not be the case...
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Rossi is my favorite, but Marquez is on another level, as long as the same shit doesn't happen Marc will win another championship with Rossi 2nd. He's just that good, we'll and the bike. Like someone said if he was on the same tire the outcome would've been different.
I think that Rossi has proved this to not be the case...
I am inclined to agree with Scott here.
For Rossi at Assen, it was a true
master class in race control.
Marquez returned with his new
swing arm to last year's 2014 frame,
to get "the feeling."
Rossi went with a 30-day old frame, a
nd won convincingly.
Both men had the skill,
pace, and speed to win.
Rossi had the experience.
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Rossi started from pole, and by a few turns in,
was in control of the race.
Maybe 15-20 laps, Rossi made a "small error"
and the Savy Marquez seized the moment.
Within a few laps, Rossi had passed Marquez,
but could not pull out a gap - despite
posting his personal best lap - and the lap record.
Rossi has watched - at least on film - every race Marquez has run.
Here's MY thinking:
1) Rossi KNEW Marquez would make a challenge.
a) Rossi KNEW it would be late enough that Rossi
would not be able to retaliate, as Rossi usually does.
b) Rossi FIGURED it would be in the last turn,
so Marquez would have only the run to the finish to complete.
2)Knowing where Marquez would attack,
Rossi laid a trap.
a) Rossi DELIBERATELY left what he
ASSUMED Marquez would think was a gap.
b) Sure enough, Marquez fell into the trap.
c) Rossi, "closed the door" on Marquez.
d) Rossi figured there was a high probability
that Marquez would hit him.
e) Rossi was prepared for the "hit,"
and responded accordingly.
f) Marquez was taken by surprise,
and initially said that "I was ahead on track,
and Rossi leaned on me."
g) Race film show clearly that Rossi was
ahead-on-track when Marques rammed Rossi.
The operation was a success,
and the Doctor's patient died......
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Rossi started from pole, and by a few turns in,
was in control of the race.
Maybe 15-20 laps, Rossi made a "small error"
and the Savy Marquez seized the moment.
Within a few laps, Rossi had passed Marquez,
but could not pull out a gap - despite
posting his personal best lap - and the lap record.
Rossi has watched - at least on film - every race Marquez has run.
Here's MY thinking:
1) Rossi KNEW Marquez would make a challenge.
a) Rossi KNEW it would be late enough that Rossi
would not be able to retaliate, as Rossi usually does.
b) Rossi FIGURED it would be in the last turn,
so Marquez would have only the run to the finish to complete.
2)Knowing where Marquez would attack,
Rossi laid a trap.
a) Rossi DELIBERATELY left what he
ASSUMED Marquez would think was a gap.
b) Sure enough, Marquez fell into the trap.
c) Rossi, "closed the door" on Marquez.
d) Rossi figured there was a high probability
that Marquez would hit him.
e) Rossi was prepared for the "hit,"
and responded accordingly.
f) Marquez was taken by surprise,
and initially said that "I was ahead on track,
and Rossi leaned on me."
g) Race film show clearly that Rossi was
ahead-on-track when Marques rammed Rossi.
The operation was a success,
and the Doctor's patient died......
:hys:
I loved the way Rossi lifted the front tire instantly before entering the gravel trap...
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What a finish! I initially thought Rossi erred and cut the corner with an unfair advantage, thinking they would penalize Rossi and give the win to Marquez. After seeing the replays, it was made clear to me that Rossi was the rightful winner. Rossi just continues to amaze! Marquez will dominate someday, it just wasn't that day.
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Marquez is a cry baby
http://www.supersport.com/motorsport/article.aspx?Id=3074494
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Marquez is a cry baby
http://www.supersport.com/motorsport/article.aspx?Id=3074494
Couldn't agree more :thumb:
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http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2015/07/01/rossivsmarquez-the-storm-after-the-storm/179231
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I went back to Motogp.com, and looked
at the replay of the Argentina race
(Around 52 minutes).
Marquez came into a corner a little too hot,
and tried to force his way inside Rossi.
Same result.
Marquez loses, Rossi wins.
I suspect Rossi has respect for Marquez,
but that does NOT extend to "letting him win."
If there is a "fighter in MotoGP's highest level,
it's Rossi.
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I went back to Motogp.com, and looked
at the replay of the Argentina race
(Around 52 minutes).
Marquez came into a corner a little too hot,
and tried to force his way inside Rossi.
Same result.
Marquez loses, Rossi wins.
I suspect Rossi has respect for Marquez,
but that does NOT extend to "letting him win."
If there is a "fighter in MotoGP's highest level,
it's Rossi.
Agree....very well said :thumb:
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I went back to Motogp.com, and looked
at the replay of the Argentina race
(Around 52 minutes).
Marquez came into a corner a little too hot,
and tried to force his way inside Rossi.
Same result.
Marquez loses, Rossi wins.
I suspect Rossi has respect for Marquez,
but that does NOT extend to "letting him win."
If there is a "fighter in MotoGP's highest level,
it's Rossi.
Agree....very well said :thumb:
Thank you, young man.....
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Great posts and links.
Marquez is a sore loser.
The last line of that MotoGP article made me laugh out loud.
Walt
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Marquez is a cry baby
http://www.supersport.com/motorsport/article.aspx?Id=3074494
Thanks for the link.
There is a whole world of difference between capability and actually doing the business.
Marky Mark has the capability.
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I still root for Marquez,if he crashes out early I change the channel(never really cared for Lorenzo,Pedrosa,or Rossi and could care less which one of them goes on to win but was a Casey Stoner fan and wish he was still riding).
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I wouldnt diss any of them.
All of you curmudgeonly old blokes are only jealous :lol: :lol:
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I see that Cal Crutchelow has married his g/f Lucy Heron?
A wise man !
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:lol:
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I still root for Marquez,if he crashes out early I change the channel(never really cared for Lorenzo,Pedrosa,or Rossi and could care less which one of them goes on to win but was a Casey Stoner fan and wish he was still riding).
Marquez kicked the snot out of everybody this morning. :lol: :thumb:
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And Rossi extended his championship lead... :wink:
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Rossi is way ahead of Marquez in points, too far I think for them to be made up. I'm wondering if their front tire choice hampered Rossi and Lorenzo's performance?
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Still 9 races left,don't know how the points will stack up if Rossi crashes out a few times and Marquez wins 5 or 6 more times.
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And Rossi extended his championship lead... :wink:
Not over Marquez,I believe they went into that race with Rossi @163 points and Marquez @74(89 points difference),now it's Rossi @179 and Marquez @114(65 points difference)... :wink: :lol:
Then again I may have some of these numbers incorrect bro,but I'm old and a little senile. :lol:
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...and Marquez sent the Doctor to the infirmary today. :lol:
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Rossi is my favorite,
Me too.
Marquez is for sure the face of the future though
and I appreciate his every on-track experience.
No doubt he has - baring serious injury - a fantastic future.
I ride Ducati high-performance bikes, (999R and 1199R)
on the street and occasionally the track, so I follow the
"team of the two Andrea's" avidly.
Cal Crutchlow has come into his own in the last couple
of races, and could be in the mix if the factory men
have problems.....
So much fun to be watched.
So much fun speculating !
And a special note to Steve,
and those who "know :"
Just remember, you and I are SO much
faster than those MotoGP guys........
You can't knock Cal and I'm not just saying that because he is a Brit.
Time and again hes been snapping at the heals of the factory bikes and taking a podium or two. Apart from his Ducati time out.
He works his balls off on a satellite bike to be there in the frame.
Respect. 8)
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After today I have 0 respect for that little weasel Rossi(not that I ever cared for his ass anyway),about the most blatant/intentional cause of a crash I've ever seen.Evidently the race director(along with everyone else)deemed it that way also and deducted 3 points from his whiny little ass(stating Thurs. that Marquez was working for Lorenzo :lol:),should have disqualified his little monkey faced ass.Rubbing is one thing,but intentionally waiting for someone and causing a crash is chickenshit,could have crippled the kid for life and ended his career.The last race in 2 weeks should be good,hopefully Marquez's only goal will be to go after Rossi and intentionally bust him up,I know I would. :lol:
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MM took the championship from Lorenzo last year by wiping him out.
It's a dirty old business and while MM has wiped a few out he has only earned one warning.
Seems like MM was not interested in the leaders but just intent on holding Rossi up?
Play with fire etc......
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Both of these dudes know how to ride . . . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyW1W2TeXYE
(http://a.fssta.com/content/dam/fsdigital/fscom/MOTORS/images/2015/04/19/041915-motor-marquez%20rossi%20crash.JPG)
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I didn't/don't see it that way(and after watching Hitting The Apex and seeing Rossi do his fair share of dirty riding/intentionally pushing other riders out of their lines he definitely isn't/wasn't the nice guy people made him out to be)but whatever. :lol:Just looking forward to this next race where hopefully Marquez's only goal is to intentionally knock Rossi off the track(and Rossi has to know it's coming,not only does he have to beat Lorenzo[which is looking doubtful,especially if they make him start at the back like they should]but has to watch out for Marquez :lol:).Man,can't wait for that race! :lol:
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Both of these dudes know how to ride . . . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyW1W2TeXYE
(http://a.fssta.com/content/dam/fsdigital/fscom/MOTORS/images/2015/04/19/041915-motor-marquez%20rossi%20crash.JPG)
Yeah,just Rossi's being a little bitch. :lol:
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"Rubbin' is racin", ain't you ever heard of that? Or is that just in NASCAR? :hys:
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Yeah,I'm all for the rubbin' part,just not the intentionally wreckin' part because you're butt hurt. :lol:
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Listen to all of us old armchair experts ?? :lol: :lol:
When I was a young man ....... blah blah... :wink: :whstl:
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I wouldnt of messed around with Marquez it woulda been a hard left jab in his face mate.
Rubbing shoulders ya bollox....... a smack in the gob !
Sorry chaps, not very professional there :bike:
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I would gladly accept a sock in the jaw from Marquez if it got me the win. After all is said and done, is not winning what racing is all about? :thumb:
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I would gladly accept a sock in the jaw from Marquez if it got me the win. After all is said and done, is not winning what racing is all about? :thumb:
Yes but the "how" part tends to get a bit messy.
Too much money, politics and ego's at stake?
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"A win is a win, my friend..............politics and egos be damned. A win IS the money. "Load the torpedoes and full steam ahead!!" :hys:
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I wouldnt of messed around with Marquez it woulda been a hard left jab in his face mate.
Rubbing shoulders ya bollox....... a smack in the gob !
Sorry chaps, not very professional there :bike:
I agree with ya,Marquez should've punched his old ass out back in the pits. :lol:Supposedly a big "conspiracy" that everybody's gangin' up on Rossi to stop him from winning the championship,sounds like old age paranoia. :lol:
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Leave it to Red. :hys:
I thought you guys were headed up to Palomar today?
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I don't believe there's any conspiracy. Marquez took it upon himself to allow Lorenzo to pass and then made it his mission to block and delay Rossi just like Rossi said would be the case and had been the case in the previous race. I don't believe Rossi wanted to crash Marquez or even run him off the track, just run him wide and off line so he could gain an advantage and put him behind him. Although there was plenty of room for Marquez to run wide he chose to stay next to Rossi and force him back and they touched. I doubt anyone can definitely say that Rossi kicked at Marquez's bike. Marquez's attempt to stay with Rossi around the turn brought them together and they touched. For all anyone knows, his brake lever and Rossi's leg got tangled which brought Marquez down. I saw no reason for Rossi not to run him wide, after all, racing is racing, but I don't believe that the results were what Rossi had in mind.
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It would appear that MARQUEZ is wise beyond his years.........
Marquez appeared to be doing the same thing to Rossi at
the previous race in Australia.........Marquez applied the
same pressure today in Sepang, and finally got Rossi
to lose his temper........Rossie was "fined" three (3)
penalty points......With his one (1) previous point,
for a year total of four (4) points.......T
hat will mean that Rossi will have to start the
Championship-deciding race from the back of the grid........
Marquez has accomplished his apparent goal of - without
being in contention himself - deciding the outcome of the entire year's racing........
Team orders ?
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Who among us would Rossi to come 'round after
losing the championship by one point ;
get in our face.....and yell....
"Why were you blocking me.....?!"
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Neither Dani Pedrosa or Marc Marquez can will the championship,
and may not be able to place either Factory Honda higher than 4th.........
If the race had finished Marquez, Pedrosa, Jorge and Rossi,
it would make NO difference in the final 2-3 placings........
However, Marquez spent the whole race "messing" with Rossi,
with the net effect that Rossi starts from the back of the grid in Valancia,
and Marquez get's ANOTHER DNF......
In other words, it may be that Marquez deliberately
decided the championship in Lorenzo's favor.........
In any case, The Yamaha men will stand in the two top places
at seasons end, and Rossi will put the "Giberneau" Gypsy curse on Marquez.........
In hockey, we call them "Enforcers.....?
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"...Load of crap - MM could have avoided that but he chose not to.
If this costs Rossi the title I would expect him to give the finger to MotoGP and retire...."
................Good thought !.......
Who would MotoGP RATHER do without ? Rossi or Marquez...........
NO Rossi = 20,000 fewer fans at the race......and 1,000,000's of fewer TV "views"...........
there is a BIG financial position at stake here...!
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Christina Suwa "Rossi is now threatening to not show up at Valencia"
Consider:
1) Rossi computes that it is impossible to win the championship.
2) Why race ?
3) Skip the race, and focus ALL the blame on the FIM, Dorna and MM93.
4) Jorge wins, but is "cheated" out of a "fair fight".....
5) The Fans react to the "No Rossi" rule
by staying away by about 30,000 fans
6) The WORLD feels "cheated," and both the
race and the championship are "tarnished" forever.
7) 10,000,000 TV fans worldwide do not watch the race,
since there is nothing of interest to be decided......
8) Net loss to "organizers" is maybe $15,000,000.
9) all for "One Kick ?"
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There's no proof of a kick nor will there ever be, just opinions.
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Guthrie I think it reasonable for DORNA and the FIM ...........
to back out of the three(3) points, and reduce it to two(2) points...........
The precedent for EXACTLY three (3) points is NOT there..........
and the RESULTS of 3 points seems to..........
never have been considered !........
Make it two points, and EVERYTHING WORKS OUT.
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In the alternative:
KEEP the three points,
and ENFORCE IT at
the beginning of next year.
"Justice is done," and everybody is pleased !
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From the vids Marky had the chance to go straight on across the hardstanding run off and then pull it back on track but he chose to play spoilt bastard and chuck his bike on the floor. A Maradonna move.
Marky knocked Rossi's foot off the peg, no way woud Rossi kick another racer. No way.
I hope they work it our fairly but MM is a pushy little shit and his lack of respect shows, despite his proclamations about how much he respects and idolises Rossi, when?
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There's no proof of a kick nor will there ever be, just opinions.
Kick,knee flip,whatever,I watched the race and looking at the replay Red posted above Rossi intentionally slows down,intentionally crowds Marquez and causes Marquez to go down.He knew he wasn't going to win anything today so rather than continue to even try decided to wait for Marquez which resulted in Marquez's crash(had he kept racing that crash wouldn't have happened).By his antics today he himself threw away any chance of winning the championship(unless Lorenzo doesn't finish)even though he was still ahead of Lorenzo on points,guess he decided trying to bully Marquez was more important than the championship.If it had been the other way around today with Marquez intentionally causing Rossi to "run wide","lose his line"(or whatever you want to call it),etc. and eventually Rossi going down it doesn't sound like any of you would be trying to defend Marquez like you are Rossi. :lol:
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From the vids Marky had the chance to go straight on across the hardstanding run off and then pull it back on track but he chose to play spoilt bastard and chuck his bike on the floor. A Maradonna move.
Marky knocked Rossi's foot off the peg, no way woud Rossi kick another racer. No way.
I hope they work it our fairly but MM is a pushy little shit and his lack of respect shows, despite his proclamations about how much he respects and idolises Rossi, when?
Still trying to defend Rossi's bullshit antics today,you guys crack me up(you're all gonna be lost when old Rossi retires). :lol:
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Marquez trying to maintain his arc thru the corner is what caused him to go down. There was a bike in the way and Rossi was on it. There was plenty of pavement, no gravel traps were nearby and he could've ridden a wider arc and stayed on the pavement and in the race. (He) tried to bully (your term) Rossi and stay with him and the result was enough of a touch, considering the lean angle attempted by Marquez, that caused the bump, touch or whatever, and Marquez lost the front tire. I believe Rossi was trying to run him wide but I don't believe he tried to crash Marquez. If I'm the inside bike and the outside bike is close enough to rub my leg, I might try to push it away too. That doesn't translate to kicking Marquez's bike. Although not against any rules, it was obvious that Marquez let Lorenzo by so that he could drop back, block and delay Rossi's progress instead of trying to win the race himself.
Rossi has lost the appeal so now I wonder how far (back) Marquez will go to duel with Rossi if Lorenzo seems to be struggling? :lol:
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So Rossi didn't intentionally slow down just to force(bully)Marquez into going wide,and it's all Marquez's fault because he chose to try and stay on the track rather than be forced off it because of Rossi's little butt hurt move?Evidently Rossi can do no wrong with you guys. :lol:Pretty doubtful Rossi will be anywhere near Lorenzo at the end of this last race,and I'm hoping Marquez falls back just to knock Rossi on his ass. :tu:
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Maybe you don't understand what you read? Here is an excerpt from my post above answering your question.
"I believe Rossi (was) trying to run him wide but I don't believe he tried to crash Marquez. If I'm the inside bike and the outside bike is close enough to rub my leg, I might try to push it away too. That doesn't translate to kicking Marquez's bike."
Marquez was far far away from the edge of the roadway. There was no risk of him running off the pavement or into a gravel trap or something.
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From the vids Marky had the chance to go straight on across the hardstanding run off and then pull it back on track but he chose to play spoilt bastard and chuck his bike on the floor. A Maradonna move.
Marky knocked Rossi's foot off the peg, no way woud Rossi kick another racer. No way.
I hope they work it our fairly but MM is a pushy little shit and his lack of respect shows, despite his proclamations about how much he respects and idolises Rossi, when?
Maybe you don't understand what you've read,I was referring to HOS's post where he stated "had the chance to go straight on across the hardstanding run off and then pull it back on track".Rossi intentionally pulled back and caused a confrontation which resulted in Marquez's crash,what Marquez could have/should have done is irrelevant.They did right by pulling some points and starting him at the back,would hate to see everyone start pulling that crap with no consequences.Whatever though,I'm done here.Rossi was butt hurt and pulled an asshole move whether any of you want to admit it or not,and in the end who really gives a shit anyway...Rossi's on his way out and Marquez will be around for another 10-15 years. :lol:
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From the vids Marky had the chance to go straight on across the hardstanding run off and then pull it back on track but he chose to play spoilt bastard and chuck his bike on the floor. A Maradonna move.
Marky knocked Rossi's foot off the peg, no way woud Rossi kick another racer. No way.
I hope they work it our fairly but MM is a pushy little shit and his lack of respect shows, despite his proclamations about how much he respects and idolises Rossi, when?
Still trying to defend Rossi's bullshit antics today,you guys crack me up(you're all gonna be lost when old Rossi retires). :lol:
Only opinions being expressed.
The only people who know what happened were on the track where the unwritren rules are something we wouldn't know.
We watched MM dumping it trying to overtake Rossi at Silverstone.
I guess MM worked out the blame angles better now.
I'm not obsessive about supporting anyone on the track so don't assume I'm a deadhead blindly supporting Rossi.
I was thinking about the appeal last night and worked it out that the appeal wold fail because the race regulators would certainly go where the money is...... MM in other words.
MM wrecked Lorenzo WC last time, this time he set out to wreck Rossi.
Who's turn will it be next year?
It's a sad affair and the reckless riding ive seen in the last few seasons has put me off MotoGP. The :lol: bosses need to stop the frequent take downs on the track before another rider gets killed irrespective of who done it.
I'm going back to WSBK.
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There is always baseball - "The World Series". Game 1 starts tomorrow between the Royals and the Mets. :tu: :)
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I dont watch Moto GP much. From what I hear MM needs to be put down, like a rabid dog!!
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I dont watch Moto GP much. From what I hear MM needs to be put down, like a rabid dog!!
Fastest and ballsiest kid out there Fred,has set lap records,most poll start records,wins in a year records,etc. and is only 21 now(won the GP championship in 2013[I think] as the youngest ever to do so at 19 years old and again last year at 20).Only reason he's not winning it this year is because he's crashed out of 6 races,always wide open and it's either 1st place or nothing as far as he's concerned.If not for him I wouldn't even bother watching it at all,kid brought a whole lot of new excitement to the races.Those other guys were happy when Casey Stoner retired 'cause they couldn't beat him for shit either,then along comes Marquez and it starts all over. :lol:
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We were discusing Stoner last night, what a brilliant rider he is. :D :D
Felt he could win by over 1 lap even on a scooter :lol:
Remember when Stoner surprised everyone and quit Repsol early in the season because of all the politics (corruption?)
Consider that DORNA is a Spanish organisation, Repsol is a Spanish oil company, there are 3 rounds held in Spain !!!!! and Lorenzo and Marquez are both Spanish.
How many rounds are held in the US ? How many other countries have lost rounds? But Spain still gets 3?
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By Royal decree and from this day forth, the MOTOGP rider formerly known as Lorenzo will be known as J-lo for behaving like a bitching gurl towards his team mate. :D
Thank you.
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By Royal decree and from this day forth, the MOTOGP rider formerly known as Lorenzo will be known as J-lo for behaving like a bitching gurl towards his team mate. :D
Thank you.
I'll go along with that :lol: but with the following caveat, unless he has problems with his brakes, or tires, or the shield on his helmet...or it rains, or someone is racing him too close, J-Lo is one fine GP racer. To his credit, he's got the best hole shot in the game and under perfect conditions, may be the (smoothest) rider out there. Now, if only Aprillia, BMW, Kawasaki and KTM? were to field F1 quality race teams...am I leaving anyone out? :bike: How about a 1,300cc and up (or unlimited class) Uber Super Sports series? Even if their corner speeds are less than liter bikes, their terminal speeds would be brilliant! 8)
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I think that SUPERBIKEPLANET.COM has a nice look at Valencia:
http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2015/Oct/151029-60-smokes-em.htm
Remember when WAYNE RAINEY won from the last row ?
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From the vids Marky had the chance to go straight on across the hardstanding run off and then pull it back on track but he chose to play spoilt bastard and chuck his bike on the floor. A Maradonna move.
Marky knocked Rossi's foot off the peg, no way woud Rossi kick another racer. No way.
I hope they work it our fairly but MM is a pushy little shit and his lack of respect shows, despite his proclamations about how much he respects and idolises Rossi, when?
Maybe you don't understand what you've read,I was referring to HOS's post where he stated "had the chance to go straight on across the hardstanding run off and then pull it back on track".Rossi intentionally pulled back and caused a confrontation which resulted in Marquez's crash,what Marquez could have/should have done is irrelevant.They did right by pulling some points and starting him at the back,would hate to see everyone start pulling that crap with no consequences.Whatever though,I'm done here.Rossi was butt hurt and pulled an asshole move whether any of you want to admit it or not,and in the end who really gives a shit anyway...Rossi's on his way out and Marquez will be around for another 10-15 years. :lol:
http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-racing-news-moto-gp/hrc-boss-declares-data-proves-rossi-kicked-marquez/28393.html
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The matter is at least partially
resolved by the CAS ruling
that REJECTS the Rossi plea.
Rossi will start from the rear.
http://www.bikesportnews.com/news/news-detail/rossi-will-start-from-last-at-valencia-after-cas-throw-out-appeal
Still unexplained is how Rossi
could have "kicked" the #93
rake lever while avoiding the
"guard" placed in front of the lever..........
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[quote Still unexplained is how Rossi
could have "kicked" the #93
rake lever while avoiding the
"guard" placed in front of the lever..........[/b]
[/quote]
That's cause he didn't kick the lever, or his bike. MM tried to occupy the same real estate as VR and that's why he went down.
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From the vids Marky had the chance to go straight on across the hardstanding run off and then pull it back on track but he chose to play spoilt bastard and chuck his bike on the floor. A Maradonna move.
Marky knocked Rossi's foot off the peg, no way woud Rossi kick another racer. No way.
I hope they work it our fairly but MM is a pushy little shit and his lack of respect shows, despite his proclamations about how much he respects and idolises Rossi, when?
Maybe you don't understand what you've read,I was referring to HOS's post where he stated "had the chance to go straight on across the hardstanding run off and then pull it back on track".Rossi intentionally pulled back and caused a confrontation which resulted in Marquez's crash,what Marquez could have/should have done is irrelevant.They did right by pulling some points and starting him at the back,would hate to see everyone start pulling that crap with no consequences.Whatever though,I'm done here.Rossi was butt hurt and pulled an asshole move whether any of you want to admit it or not,and in the end who really gives a shit anyway...Rossi's on his way out and Marquez will be around for another 10-15 years. :lol:
http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-racing-news-moto-gp/hrc-boss-declares-data-proves-rossi-kicked-marquez/28393.html
I'm out of this discussion mate.
You have your opinions and I have mine.
I know you will not change yours and you probably know I will not change mine.
Let's leave it there :thumb:
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Rossi is not Spanish. It's as simple as that. The series is run by the Spaniards, there's three races in Spain, Marquez and Lorenzo are Spaniards...
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Sunday morning boys...Marquez for the win! :lol:
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Rossi is not Spanish. It's as simple as that. The series is run by the Spaniards, there's three races in Spain, Marquez and Lorenzo are Spaniards...
My apologies...I was wrong...tomorrow will be the 4th race in Spain this year. We've been robbed of a head to head battle for the championship because of politics... Regardless of who you want to win the championship, or how you view the incident..all of us are the losers...was Marquez fucking with Rossi? Most likely...Was Rossi fucking with Marques? Positively yes. Did Rossi take out Marquez and cause him to crash? No way...
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Results?
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Results?
JLo won, the Hondas 2nd and 3rd and Rossi 4th. JLo ran in front flag to flag with MM guarding his rear...all the way, never trying to race after him. Rossi put on a champion's ride from the rear to finish 4th. He had passed 6-7 riders in the first lap and before mid race he was in 4th. Outstanding run as was the attendance. Over 110,000 showed up for the race. Too bad we can't get that kind of attendance over here. If we did maybe they'd come back and race here, at Laguna, Indy, Texas and maybe another suitable track. Make it an extended US MotoGP series so they'd have to come over just once. Wishful thinking...
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Probably the 2nd best race I've seen all year.Don't know if I'd call it as Marquez guarding Lorenzo,Lorenzo was a machine putting down exceptional laps all through the race and even when Rossi was in the clear for the 2nd half of the race he still wasn't running the lap times that Lorenzo,Marquez,and Pedrosa(especially Pedrosa)was.Looked to me that all four were running right on the edge through those last 5 or so laps,another lap and Pedrosa may have taken it.Rossi threw away the championship(though he still would have to have finished better than 4th today and that's not a given as fast as the other three were riding)that last race when he hung back to fuck with Marquez instead of just going about his business as he was ahead of Marquez in that corner.I saw his fellow countryman Dovi let him through today,he passed him awful easily even though that Ducati had speed all over that Yamaha.
Hopefully next year we won't have to hear Rossi whining about this big "conspiracy" he kept carrying on about. :lol:
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So Lorenzo is World Champ, right? (I only have the basic 72 channel service from Time Warner Cable - cannot get this stuff)
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I wonder what the Repsol execs think about MM throwing away another win for the Honda team? He even kept Pedrosa at bay when he attempted to give JLo a run.
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I wonder what the Repsol execs think about MM throwing away another win for the Honda team? He even kept Pedrosa at bay when he attempted to give JLo a run.
Yep. It could not have been more obvious. He clearly had the power to at least attempt a pass, but he never even did that. It wasn't until Pedrosa caught up that Marquez battled with Pedrosa to slow them both down, then he easily caught up to Lorenzo and again "guarded" Lorenzo's position for him. It was a slap to the face of the sport, both Lorenzo and Marquez have no honor and are completely classless. What a complete crock.
3 Spanish riders finishing 1 2 3 at Valencia, Spain in a Spanish owned racing series. Yeah, that wasn't at least somewhat planned and scripted. Dorna have completely ruined MotoGP. It will never, ever be the same.
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U guys make this all sound so "scripted".............like modern day "wrestling" on TV. Is it that bad, truly? :?
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U guys make this all sound so "scripted".............like modern day "wrestling" on TV. Is it that bad, truly? :?
Yep,all a big conspiracy(people like to stir the pot and make something out of nothing). :lol:I must've been watching a different race than these other guys,they were going flat out just short of crashing(and why crash during the last lap or two of the race for no reason?) and Rossi got no closer to the front three by at least 5 seconds so no need to "guard" Lorenzo,Rossi wasn't going to come close to catching Lorenzo whether Marquez and Pedrosa were there or not.Another lap and Pedrosa would've won the race,and for what Honda's paying Marquez and Perdosa to race/win I kinda doubt they would be good with their riders intentionally letting a Yamaha rider win a race.Whatever,you guys continue on,guess it is more exciting the way you see it. :lol:
Over and out,we'll continue this next year. :tu:
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If Pedrosa would have challenged Lorenzo, he may have taken Lorenzo out in the process. If Lorenzo crashed, Rossi wins the Championship. That's why Marquez wouldn't allow Pedrosa to get close to Lorenzo.
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And close racing or not, have you ever seen Marquez that close to the leader of a race and not at least attempt a pass? He's never raced anyone like he raced Lorenzo in that race....ever. He has always tried for the win, usually in spectacular fashion. Always. Except for this one particular race. Hmmmmm? :?
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And close racing or not, have you ever seen Marquez that close to the leader of a race and not at least attempt a pass? He's never raced anyone like he raced Lorenzo in that race....ever. He has always tried for the win, usually in spectacular fashion. Always. Except for this one particular race. Hmmmmm? :?
"Professional Wrestling?" Is that what I am hearing? It would appear so. Not fair, they don't do that shit at the Isle of Man tt, do they? :?
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Our writer travels to Italy to interview Valentino Rossi, following Rossi’s devastating loss of the MotoGP World Championship. Rossi, #46, was leading the championship standings going into the final race of the season. Rossi had received an unexpected penalty in the penultimate race in Australia for reported contact with last years champion #93 Marc Marquez. Because of the penalty points, Rossi was required to start from the back of the grid, instead of in the first two rows as expected.
In the race, Now-champion (and past champion) Jorge Lorenzo #99, scored a win from pole position, and took enough points to win the 2015 title.
Figuring in the battle for points and the championship were no-hope Honda riders Marquez #93 and Dani Pedrosa #26. Both Honda men and Lorenzo are Spanish, as it the overall sanctioning body DORNA. Rules are controlled by the FIM, an international body.
We met in the café in the square of Urbino Italy, the town where Valentino was born.
SG: Valentino, you have had an up and down season……
VR: Yes, very much. At the beginning of the season, I did not have so much hope for a 10th GP championship, but at the season moved forward, Jorge had some problems on track, Marc was having even less luck, and Dani was out for some races because of surgery.
SG: And your old friends at Ducati ?
VR: Yes, the team of the two Andrea’s. I was more worried about Dovizioso, but Crazy Joe (Ianonne) turned out to be bringing the better results. Either one seemed to be possible for the title, which would be good for our friends at Ducati. Not so good for me.
SG We are sitting at a café in the central courtyard of the City of Urbino. You have many memories of Urbino ?
VR: Well, not so many from the old days when I was young, but now yes, I return because it is a beautiful and historic city, and I have many friends here.
SG: I noticed when you walked up the little hill, that you looked at the tiny Gelato store…..
VR: Yes, they have the best gelato in the whole of Italy. I like to stop there every time I come downtown.
SG: Maybe we can go down there after we finish our coffee…..Have you visited the collection of religious work in the Ducal palace over there (Gesturing) ?
VR: Yes several times………(questioningly)
SG: Do some of those paintings speak to you more strongly today, after the season is over ?
VR:………Oh, I see what you are asking ! Every wall has paintings of the Jesus being crucified. HUNDREDS of those paintings ! So, yes, I feel a little like the Jesus !
Sg: Can you explain ?
VR: Well, now we get into it ! I feel like DORNA has crucified me, and the FIM have thrown me under the bus !
SG: How so:
VR: I think from what I know, that DORNA – a Spanish company – wanted Marc – who is Spanish- to win the championship, because he is the new young star, who will draw many more people to the track, and to watch on television.
SG: Well, there is the attraction of seeing the young and fierce depose the older and more crafty……
VR: Well yes, that is the old story. But it does not explain how, after it came that Danni – who is also Spanish – was out, that it could in the end that they would support Jorge – who is also Spanish – against me.
SG: Are you implying that DORNA, the organization, would somehow use their power to make Jorge the winner, and not you ?
VR: That is exactly what they did. When they gave me the three penalty points in Australia, they knew that would put me at the back of the grid in Valencia. That would mean that it would be almost impossible for me to go from the back of the grid to overtake Jorge – which would be the only way I could be sure to win the championship. I passed 21 people in the first 10 laps. Two more and I would have the title……
SG: But what if Marc and Dani had been first and second on the Hondas, would you have won ?
VR: Yes, but that is why Jorge was to lead the race, and Marc and Dani were 2nd and 3rd.
SG: Yes, but Jorge had no control over that…..
VR: Yes, but Honda had that power to make Marc and Dani come between, and give Jorge the title.
SG: Well certainly Honda could have the power to give the “team orders,” but that would be wrong for many reasons….
VR: I have been racing for 20 years, most of my 36 years. My father Graziano raced before me. If you can forget for a minute about the factory teams, the rest of us are like a little Gypsy tribe that goes here and there to race. We make many good friendships, and maybe make families together. These friendships are between friends, and not with “management.” We are loyal to each other.
I have raced for many teams, including recently Honda, Ducati and Yamaha. At every team, I have made very good friends, and they remain friends, it does no matter who I work for, or they work for; we are friends.
My friends at Ducati and I talk; my friends at Honda talk to me.
SG: Wait, does that mean you know what the Honda men have for new equipment and things like that ?
VR No, of course not, that would not be right. I never ask about the other teams “racing secrets.”” That would be wrong.
BUT, if someone on another team is trying to hurt me, or is going to do me wrong, I hear about that.
And that’s what happened here.
Somebody talked to me.
SG: So…… you are saying that there was a DORNA plan to see that Jorge won the title, maybe with the help of Honda ?
VR: Let me put it this way: If Jorge could win the race, I would have to finish right behind him to take the title. If the two Hondas were between us, it did not matter how well anybody rode, Jorge would take the title…..
Look at this: In Philip Island, Marc was a good enough rider for he and I to have the battle, to pass and re-pass each other 9 times in one lap…..Marc knows how to fight; Jorge not so much. Even Dani is so much better in the fight these last two years.
So: Jorge goes out in front, as everybody thinks he will do. Marc is right behind him. Marc says that he is there to win the race, but he NEVER makes a move, he never even shows Jorge a wheel.
Not a good way to win a race.
Sure you can say that he did not want to crash Jorge who is racing for the title, but that did not stop him from doing that to me in Australia……
And, where is Dani ? Dani is slow in 3rd, but the tires cool and come back to him, and the fuel is burned off. NOW he can run faster than Jorge and Marc, and late in the race, he goes forward to actually pass Marc, and go after Jorge !
Later, after the race, Dani says he cannot read his pit board for many laps. I know that Dani has taken vision tests, and like all of us, he has very very good eyes. How can you believe that he could not see his pit board. Could he chose to not see the board ?
SG: Why would he do that ?
VR: In America, you have American football and baseball. Those teams have very sophisticated signals, and they use them all the time. Imagine there is somebody who video-tapes the pit board signals at Valencia, along with what is happening in the pits behind the track. After the races, we can see these videos, and figure out the signals, just like your American teams……
SG: So you have seen the Honda signals from Valencia ?
VR: When the Honda men go to the wall to put out the pit board, there are always several of them. Everybody signals to the rider. Can you see how easy it would be to signal Dani to get away from the front ?
In the moto three race, where the title was decided at Valencia, the eventual title winner was being hounded by his team mate. The pit signaled the teammate to back off. That was on the public TV, and I can show it to you. Look for the pit man pointing to his head as if to say “THINK about what you are doing.”
So, we have the pit signaling Dani to slow down, and Dani “does not see it – the signal”
Eventually, the thinking sinks in to Dani that if he maybe passes Marc and crashes Jorge, that Valentino wins the title……..
There is your complete answer: DORNA, for business reasons wants a “Not Valentino” champion. We know that Dani and Marc are out of the fight, and only Jorge has a chance to win.
DORNA moves Valentino to the back of the grid. Let Jorge go the front and stay there, with Marc to guard him. Dani is to be 2nd or 3rd, and keep Rossi in 4th. Also very easy.
Could I have won from starting in the first 2 rows ?
I have done it before, against the same men.
Could I have done it this time ?
We and the fans will never know……..