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TECHNICAL => GEN II BUSA => Topic started by: dave3.4 on May 08, 2015, 08:27:56 PM
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I have been away from Busa's for a couple years but recently started building a 1441 cutrail gen2. I know petrik and boost by smith sells the box to flash your ecu , I do have one and they are the way to go.
. My question and I think I already know the answer. I keep reading on facebook that people are saying to mail your ecu to get flashed tuned .. How the hell can you tune something without a dyno? The guy that flashes them said a typical gen2 makes 192-198 with a pipe and his mail order tune?? Has something changed in the last two years regarding tuning? People rave about this mail order tunes!
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There is no good substitute for having your bike in the hands of a good tuner with the right tools to do the job right.
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Thats always been my thinking.. every bike is slightly different..when has a gen2 made 198hp with a pipe and tune!!??
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A Gen II Busa, no. A ZX-14 tuned by Johnny Cheese............that and 6 more for a total of 204. That, even though I don't particularly like a -14, was cool.
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Yeah the new 14's make good power out of the box.. I was almost thinking about going to that side , I think it is a better stock bike but who leaves a bike stock.
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Yeah the new 14's make good power out of the box.. I was almost thinking about going to that side , I think it is a better stock bike but who leaves a bike stock.
Nobody does. A ZX-14 does not lend itself to engine mods as easily as a Busa.............you can do a 1441 kit on a Gen II Busa with headwork and have 220 RWHP.
A 14, as you know, has cylinders integrated with the cases. I do not like that. Plus, green is an unlucky color, IMO. :thumb: :bike:
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I have to ask...who is that on you profile pic?
Spitting image of my grandfather
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Thats always been my thinking.. every bike is slightly different..when has a gen2 made 198hp with a pipe and tune!!??
Maybe STD on a very happy dyno. :lol:
(he probably forgot to mention the all short stacks,less than 0 weight oil,DRZ2 non o-ring chain,MR12,etc. :lol:)
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I have to ask...who is that on you profile pic?
Spitting image of my grandfather
That is me with my pals up at the Harley shop on a Friday night just sittin' around and smokin' and jokin.............pic is about 7 years old now and I ain't quite as attractive as in that photo.
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:lol:
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Brock's performance sells a pile of exhausts for the Busa and they also send a pre-programmed Power Commander with it for about 350 more. They have set these units up after countless hours on the Dyno tuning with the same type motorcycles. I really like mine. Fastest stock motor Busa I ever owned or rode.
The most they ever got out of a Gen II with stock internals was about 192 - and we are talkin' less-than-zero weight oil, a non-O-ring chain, etc., but the bike was on pump gas and the gas was ethanol free.
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Thats always been my thinking.. every bike is slightly different..when has a gen2 made 198hp with a pipe and tune!!??
198 with just a pipe and no other mods, dam that must a hell of a tune up, I think maybe the fans cooling the motor had a little happy gas going through them, I'm not going to say no fucking way, but I would have to be there running the dyno, and riding the bike after, I think honestly it would be more like 172-178
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Thats always been my thinking.. every bike is slightly different..when has a gen2 made 198hp with a pipe and tune!!??
:lol:
Maybe STD on a very happy dyno. :lol:
(he probably forgot to mention the all short stacks,less than 0 weight oil,DRZ2 non o-ring chain,MR12,etc. :lol:)
Yea that's it, :lol: the MR-12 along with the other goodies you might get 198, still I'd have to be there :lol:
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Thats always been my thinking.. every bike is slightly different..when has a gen2 made 198hp with a pipe and tune!!??
:lol:
Maybe STD on a very happy dyno. :lol:
(he probably forgot to mention the all short stacks,less than 0 weight oil,DRZ2 non o-ring chain,MR12,etc. :lol:)
Yea that's it, :lol: the MR-12 along with the other goodies you might get 198, still I'd have to be there :lol:
Gotta be a very "un-stingy" Dyno, methinks.
Brock's got 192 on a 2009 with a Power Commander (PCV) and a "Full Race" Pipe and a non-O-ring chain, BST carbons with ceramic bearings, Vortex alloy sprocket, Short Stacks, Less-Than Zero weight synthetic oil from Alysyn with Petron, and Non-ethanol pump gas and that bike likely made 50+ pulls to get that number.
Just a pipe would net ya about 8-10 or so..........on a good day, IMO.
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Flashing the ECU and tuning through the ECU are different things.There are lots of things you can accomplish flashing an ECU without tuning.
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Flashing the ECU and tuning through the ECU are different things.There are lots of things you can accomplish flashing an ECU without tuning.
A Flash can, just as you say, do a bunch of stuff..........but 198? Hmmmmmmmm. :?
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I'm hoping for a 190 SAE rwhp with the short meg,short stacks,Sprint filter,etc. when these guys get done with the tune/mapping,know several guys that went there with great results(definitely seem to know their shit).
http://www.attackperformance.com/ServiceDyno.html
http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/817/13776/Motorcycle-Article/Attack-Performance-CRT-Takes-on-MotoGP.aspx
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You guys are killing me with your exacting descriptions of what it absolutely takes to make "that kind of power". Your experience and attentiveness to detail are absolutely beautiful. I love reading line after line as you guys go at it......knowledge is power and you Geezers got a ton. No disrespect there Jeff.....
Dave ?, you been schooled there Bud !
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You guys are killing me with your exacting descriptions of what it absolutely takes to make "that kind of power". Your experience and attentiveness to detail are absolutely beautiful. I love reading line after line as you guys go at it......knowledge is power and you Geezers got a ton. No disrespect there Jeff.....
Dave ?, you been schooled there Bud !
Thanks,
On rare occasions, you can "teach an old dog new tricks". It just takes a bit longer. :)
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:lol:
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If you wont believe 190hp then try this. http://houston.craigslist.org/mcy/5019265698.html
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:lol:
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If you wont believe 190hp then try this. http://houston.craigslist.org/mcy/5019265698.html
I like the paint. Too much RWHP for me though. :mrgreen:
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He must have flashed his ecu twice :mrgreen:
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:hys:
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He must have flashed his ecu twice :mrgreen:
That has gotta be the deal. :hys:
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You guys thought bad tuners existed before, everyone on Facebook sells a bucket full of tunes dipped in snake oil.
One guy is charging $120 just to flash peoples ECU's and most of those jokers are eating it up... :lol:
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I have been away from Busa's for a couple years but recently started building a 1441 cutrail gen2. I know petrik and boost by smith sells the box to flash your ecu , I do have one and they are the way to go.
. My question and I think I already know the answer. I keep reading on facebook that people are saying to mail your ecu to get flashed tuned .. How the hell can you tune something without a dyno? The guy that flashes them said a typical gen2 makes 192-198 with a pipe and his mail order tune?? Has something changed in the last two years regarding tuning? People rave about this mail order tunes!
I believe I know the guy you are talking about. He flashes ecus and everyone raves about it. They claim PCs and Bazzaz boxes are junk but mine never failed. he sells his services by stating the cost of a dyno tune but my thought is how is he getting his setup without a dyno? I believe his customers are messing with their settings on their PCs there fore affecting the performance. Just my .02
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You guys thought bad tuners existed before, everyone on Facebook sells a bucket full of tunes dipped in snake oil.
One guy is charging $120 just to flash peoples ECU's and most of those jokers are eating it up... :lol:
:lol: :thumb:
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Thats always been my thinking.. every bike is slightly different..when has a gen2 made 198hp with a pipe and tune!!??
I came pretty close(Alisyn oil w/Petron Plus,all short stacks,Sprint filter,good air[80 degrees and 30% humidity/sea level]chain lubed/adjusted and rear wheel aligned spot on,Iridium plugs,and 89 octane Shell,etc.).LOL May have just been a happy dyno but regardless the bike runs better and worth the $350 for the tune.
(http://i531.photobucket.com/albums/dd353/piratediverjefff/Dyno%20Sheets-2011%20Busa-%20Attack%20Performance%20001_zps6yepg0qj.jpg) (http://s531.photobucket.com/user/piratediverjefff/media/Dyno%20Sheets-2011%20Busa-%20Attack%20Performance%20001_zps6yepg0qj.jpg.html)
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Thats always been my thinking.. every bike is slightly different..when has a gen2 made 198hp with a pipe and tune!!??
I came pretty close(Alisyn oil w/Petron Plus,all short stacks,Sprint filter,good air[80 degrees and 30% humidity/sea level]chain lubed/adjusted and rear wheel aligned spot on,Iridium plugs,and 89 octane Shell,etc.).LOL May have just been a happy dyno but regardless the bike runs better and worth the $350 for the tune. I would imagine the short stacks helped with the extra hp also the filter the lil things all add up. Good run bro!!!
(http://i531.photobucket.com/albums/dd353/piratediverjefff/Dyno%20Sheets-2011%20Busa-%20Attack%20Performance%20001_zps6yepg0qj.jpg) (http://s531.photobucket.com/user/piratediverjefff/media/Dyno%20Sheets-2011%20Busa-%20Attack%20Performance%20001_zps6yepg0qj.jpg.html)
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Thats always been my thinking.. every bike is slightly different..when has a gen2 made 198hp with a pipe and tune!!??
I came pretty close(Alisyn oil w/Petron Plus,all short stacks,Sprint filter,good air[80 degrees and 30% humidity/sea level]chain lubed/adjusted and rear wheel aligned spot on,Iridium plugs,and 89 octane Shell,etc.).LOL May have just been a happy dyno but regardless the bike runs better and worth the $350 for the tune.
(http://i531.photobucket.com/albums/dd353/piratediverjefff/Dyno%20Sheets-2011%20Busa-%20Attack%20Performance%20001_zps6yepg0qj.jpg) (http://s531.photobucket.com/user/piratediverjefff/media/Dyno%20Sheets-2011%20Busa-%20Attack%20Performance%20001_zps6yepg0qj.jpg.html)
I'm stalkin' ya pal............but I am cheatin' with headwork and some "mild" cams. :lol:
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Thats always been my thinking.. every bike is slightly different..when has a gen2 made 198hp with a pipe and tune!!??
I came pretty close(Alisyn oil w/Petron Plus,all short stacks,Sprint filter,good air[80 degrees and 30% humidity/sea level]chain lubed/adjusted and rear wheel aligned spot on,Iridium plugs,and 89 octane Shell,etc.).LOL May have just been a happy dyno but regardless the bike runs better and worth the $350 for the tune. I would imagine the short stacks helped with the extra hp also the filter the lil things all add up. Good run bro!!!
(http://i531.photobucket.com/albums/dd353/piratediverjefff/Dyno%20Sheets-2011%20Busa-%20Attack%20Performance%20001_zps6yepg0qj.jpg) (http://s531.photobucket.com/user/piratediverjefff/media/Dyno%20Sheets-2011%20Busa-%20Attack%20Performance%20001_zps6yepg0qj.jpg.html)
He said the all short stacks were good for 3-4 hp(thought I might lose some on the bottom or mid-range but didn't),another 1 or so from the Sprint filter,and the little shit such as having the chain lubed and adjusted right and the rear wheel being aligned spot on(just that being a little off can cause a loss of of a couple hp).Don't know if the Iridium plugs helped but probably didn't hurt,and the bike was running rich as shit when I brought it in.He was also a believer in the Brocks pipe,said he had tuned quite a few Busas with other pipes and none had made as much power as my old turd.Didn't have anything to do with power but I also did the Schnitz quick turn throttle which makes it seem faster. :lol:
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Thats always been my thinking.. every bike is slightly different..when has a gen2 made 198hp with a pipe and tune!!??
I came pretty close(Alisyn oil w/Petron Plus,all short stacks,Sprint filter,good air[80 degrees and 30% humidity/sea level]chain lubed/adjusted and rear wheel aligned spot on,Iridium plugs,and 89 octane Shell,etc.).LOL May have just been a happy dyno but regardless the bike runs better and worth the $350 for the tune.
(http://i531.photobucket.com/albums/dd353/piratediverjefff/Dyno%20Sheets-2011%20Busa-%20Attack%20Performance%20001_zps6yepg0qj.jpg) (http://s531.photobucket.com/user/piratediverjefff/media/Dyno%20Sheets-2011%20Busa-%20Attack%20Performance%20001_zps6yepg0qj.jpg.html)
I'm stalkin' ya pal............but I am cheatin' with headwork and some "mild" cams. :lol:
When you gonna have that thing on the road bro?
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Who is the "facebook flasher" you are referring to?
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That's good power for the mods. Happy Dyno or not I'm sure it runs better then before the tune. Picked up ten hp! :tu:
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Does seem to run a lot smoother now Dave. :thumb:
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Thats always been my thinking.. every bike is slightly different..when has a gen2 made 198hp with a pipe and tune!!??
I came pretty close(Alisyn oil w/Petron Plus,all short stacks,Sprint filter,good air[80 degrees and 30% humidity/sea level]chain lubed/adjusted and rear wheel aligned spot on,Iridium plugs,and 89 octane Shell,etc.).LOL May have just been a happy dyno but regardless the bike runs better and worth the $350 for the tune.
(http://i531.photobucket.com/albums/dd353/piratediverjefff/Dyno%20Sheets-2011%20Busa-%20Attack%20Performance%20001_zps6yepg0qj.jpg) (http://s531.photobucket.com/user/piratediverjefff/media/Dyno%20Sheets-2011%20Busa-%20Attack%20Performance%20001_zps6yepg0qj.jpg.html)
I'm stalkin' ya pal............but I am cheatin' with headwork and some "mild" cams. :lol:
When you gonna have that thing on the road bro?
I am ridin' it now waiting for 2 items.....BST rims - McIntosh arm.....Then it goes into surgery. If the rims come in and the arm does not, I'll likely just give it to Rodney anyways. The rims have been the hold-up.
If I had to guess, I would say late July or early August. That is just the way it is............Terry will only work so fast, even with Rodney in his ear.
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Actually, now that I think of it, we might want to wait for final testing when we get a "cool-spell" so the air will not be so thin.
Then again, the newer dynos correct for air temp/density/humidity to try to get to a 75 degree day. Who knows.
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Most stock bikes run about the same.ide say and have done many times a good flash and a ecu tune can do wonders!!..it's. Not for everyone.its for the people who can't afford or don't want to take there bike to a dyno,and something to get ya started,Take off all.the restrictions, have the fan come on sooner.ad a 2 step.higher Rev limiter.airshift kill.turn smog off ect ect ect.
Ive flashed and Installed many tunes for ppl.all.across the world..all.said they were happy and bikes went faster at the track and ran better for certian without spending alot and no effort..maybe I should.change My name to .facebookflasher..lol
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Hmmmmmmmmmm! Not bad!! Good taste in women and beer.
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Ed I was more or less talking about people saying to just flash it and you don need a tune. There's plenty of benefits to flashing but if your seriuos about power then a
Dyno or data logging is the way to go. You been around a long time you know what I mean :tu:
I agree 100 percent that it's more for the average street rider not want to spend the money or not needing every hp they can get.
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Dave,
A good tune is about 4-500 bucks. On a 13,000 bike, that ain't shit, IMO. A set of tires. That's all.
Dave
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Your preaching to the choir! :D
I get every ounce of power I can out of my bikes.
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I have been away from Busa's for a couple years but recently started building a 1441 cutrail gen2. I know petrik and boost by smith sells the box to flash your ecu , I do have one and they are the way to go.
I just read this thread, and this is a little offtopic, but i have to say that Petrik does not sell anything, he did start the development on the software and meant it to be free, at least the early versions were.