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GENERAL => MAXIMUM OVERDRIVE => Topic started by: scott g on September 21, 2017, 01:51:47 PM
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How many records can I set with one run down the track ?
Normally, you would think only one (1).
One run, one record...................
Now, several tracks allow us to set records
of 1/2 mile, 1.0 mile, and 1.5 miles in one run.
That's three (3) per run.
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About 15 years ago, a STRONG competitor
asked at Maxton (ECTA) if he could also set
a mile record in the FUEL class,
while running in the GAS class.
At the time, the ECTA allowed unlimited "running up in class"
by running in larger displacement classes,
so that argument had been settled.
Running up was OK.
BUT - the critical question was - could you do that in one run ?
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The ECTA pondered that a little,
and then a little more..................
The competitor then stepped on his own d--k,
and asked could he set the 1350, 1650, 2000, 3000
and unlimited records with just one run,
since the rules allow "running up in class."
So. the owner of the ECTA asked for clarification:
" Are you asking to not only set all the gas records,
but also all the fuel records for ALL those displacement classes.
All in one run ?"
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He - in fact - was asking that very question !
I suggested that if we were going to allow that sort of business,
we should:
1) allow that "class jumping" and "one run business"
IF - that's IF - the competitor PAID FOR ALL THE CLASS ENTRIES.
(That might help with our cash flow problems)
and 2) Why not allow Blown gas and Blown fuel
at the same time - that's four (4) times the entry fees !
and 3) If the guy was going to run naked,
then he could also set the "partial streamlined"
records with that one run.
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4) While we thought about that, another
bike inspector said " Heck, if we are gonna do that,
why not let him do modified and special construction
at the same time, too !"
Indeed !
How does that work out ?
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1350 up to unlimited = 5 displacement classes.
G, F, BG and BF = 4 engine classes
A , M, MPS, APS = 4 "frame" classes
5 x 4 x 4 = 80
If allowed, that one guy could set
(and pay about $5,000 in entry fees)
eighty (80) records with one run !
The ECTA decided to pass on the
"multiple record" concept.
Is it time for that NOW ?
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Absolutely Not! Since a lot of the events are going to a 3+ day event, I am even a proponent of requiring 2 runs during an event (average) for a record.
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Thanks for stopping by, Ransom.
Yes, there is some desire to move to a format
used by the Bonneville racing groups, or by
other pavement racing groups - like drag
racing - that require a 2nd run.
In drag racing, the 1st run is the record,
while the 2nd run is a "backup run"
(done within a certain % of the records run)
to "prove the 1st run."
At Bonneville, the two runs are
averaged together to be the record speed.
I wonder how this would work on on pavement ?.........
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works for me, as long as we are not expected to run both directions
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works for me, as long as we are not expected to run both directions
Running the opposite direction would be pretty scary at many tracks.
(My impression is that the "2 directions" thing is a hold over from 100 years ago,
and may not be needed anymore, especially if we use
dry lake beds (Bonneville) and airfields [Loring] for what we do.)
I remember that the Steam Train (REALLY !) record was set in England
by a big locomotive in a 1-mile section of track,
PRECEDED by an 11% downgrade of maybe 5 miles.
(http://mikes.railhistory.railfan.net/r070.html
scroll to the last bit,
also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LNER_Class_A4_4468_Mallard)
Maybe that's part of the "both directions" thing,
and certainly the FIM still demands it for most records.
I wonder if we could use the 2nd run to set "another record"
as long as we are accepting the risks and expenses of a back-up run?
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aren't we accepting the "risk and expense" anyways
I could not think of someone landspeed racing, making a pass, setting a record and saying
Boy that scared me forget it, I am not going to back it up
Most make a run, and record or not instantly want to make another pass
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Thanks for stopping by, Ransom.
Yes, there is some desire to move to a format
used by the Bonneville racing groups, or by
other pavement racing groups - like drag
racing - that require a 2nd run.
In drag racing, the 1st run is the record,
while the 2nd run is a "backup run"
(done within a certain % of the records run)
to "prove the 1st run."
At Bonneville, the two runs are
averaged together to be the record speed.
I wonder how this would work on on pavement ?.........
The more I think about...while I wasn't really referring to running in the opposite direction, I would think the spirit of the second run could be running within 90% of the speed obtained in the first run. The record would then be the fastest pass of the 2 runs, but both runs must be within 90% of each other.
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Thanks for stopping by, Ransom.
Yes, there is some desire to move to a format
used by the Bonneville racing groups, or by
other pavement racing groups - like drag
racing - that require a 2nd run.
In drag racing, the 1st run is the record,
while the 2nd run is a "backup run"
(done within a certain % of the records run)
to "prove the 1st run."
At Bonneville, the two runs are
averaged together to be the record speed.
I wonder how this would work on on pavement ?.........
The more I think about...while I wasn't really referring to running in the opposite direction, I would think the spirit of the second run could be running within 90% of the speed obtained in the first run. The record would then be the fastest pass of the 2 runs, but both runs must be within 90% of each other.
AND ...................if you blew the motor on the 1st run ?
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Thanks for stopping by, Ransom.
Yes, there is some desire to move to a format
used by the Bonneville racing groups, or by
other pavement racing groups - like drag
racing - that require a 2nd run.
In drag racing, the 1st run is the record,
while the 2nd run is a "backup run"
(done within a certain % of the records run)
to "prove the 1st run."
At Bonneville, the two runs are
averaged together to be the record speed.
I wonder how this would work on on pavement ?.........
The more I think about...while I wasn't really referring to running in the opposite direction, I would think the spirit of the second run could be running within 90% of the speed obtained in the first run. The record would then be the fastest pass of the 2 runs, but both runs must be within 90% of each other.
AND ...................if you blew the motor on the 1st run ?
And Scott throws the BIG wrench into the discussion.
NHRA requires within 1% of the record run on another run at the same event.
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NHRA requires within 1% of the record run on another run at the same event.
Not anymore, its a record as soon as you set it, no more 1% rule
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NHRA requires within 1% of the record run on another run at the same event.
Not anymore, its a record as soon as you set it, no more 1% rule
Steve has a good point.
Yes, the rules tend to "mature" through time,
especially as technology improves.
At Bonneville, THREE runs used to be required
for a record; now it's only two.............
They also require a FULL MILE for an official speed !
In pavement LSR, we use one (1) run,
and (like drag racing) either a 66 foot or 132 foot "trap"
for the speed measurements.
I have several old mechanical stop watches,
The best of these - think Olympic Games quality,
might cost over $2,000 in today's dollars.
They only measured down to the 1/10 second.
Today, my Casio wrist watch - $25 - measures to 1/100 second.
My digital stop watch goes down to 1/1000 - for only
$100 - and has a paper printout for documentation...........
How many Pro Stock race results would have complaints
if the finishing order was measured ONLY to 1/10 second?
Can you see 6 bikes TIED for 1st place ?