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Title: 1397 Head, To port or not to port?
Post by: dragasixtyinchbusa on November 09, 2004, 04:40:00 PM
I am in the process of building a normally aspirated 1397.  There are so many choices on which direction to go with the head.  How beneficial is it to have the head ported in comparison to its stock form with drop in cams.  Also, what cams would you suggest without the porting, and maybe with the port work if the horsepower would be drastically increased.   What kind of hp numbers am I looking at both ways? Thanks in advance for any input.
Title: 1397 Head, To port or not to port?
Post by: BUGSY on November 10, 2004, 12:04:56 AM
Carpenter Racing................ :yes:
Title: 1397 Head, To port or not to port?
Post by: SPEED KING on November 10, 2004, 01:12:18 AM
Quote from: BUSA89
Carpenter Racing................ :yes:


Bob also has proven results! !

J
Title: 1397 Head, To port or not to port?
Post by: DarkFalcon on November 10, 2004, 05:34:22 AM
When you think about porting, also think about taking advantage of the increased flow with bigger cams; typically, bigger/longer duration cams require higher CR pistons. And make sure the exhaust can handle the byproducts.
Title: 1397 Head, To port or not to port?
Post by: flashracer on November 11, 2004, 07:19:51 PM
CARPENTER RACING. MINE 1397 WITH HIS 385 MEGACYCLE. I RUN 155 MPH EVERY PASS. YOU WILL BE IN THE EIGHTS IN 1/4
Title: 1397 Head, To port or not to port?
Post by: Pat Dietrich on November 11, 2004, 08:10:24 PM
Quote from: flashracer
CARPENTER RACING. MINE 1397 WITH HIS 385 MEGACYCLE. I RUN 155 MPH EVERY PASS. YOU WILL BE IN THE EIGHTS IN 1/4


Get a hold of dragzooks@indy (member name) Mine 1397, with megas 385s and dragzooks head @ 705 pounds (bike and rider) went 160 with a slight head wind on pump gas. :wink:
Title: 1397 Head, To port or not to port?
Post by: SPEED KING on November 12, 2004, 01:33:07 AM
Quote from: STREET RACER
What Ever(http://instagiber.net/smiliesdotcom/contrib/ruinkai/nopityA.gif)(http://instagiber.net/smiliesdotcom/contrib/dvv/cwmjitter.gif)


Don't be a hater Spaz..be  a player..

J
Title: 1397 Head, To port or not to port?
Post by: Bayou Busa on November 12, 2004, 07:03:35 AM
Quote from: STREET RACER
What Ever(http://instagiber.net/smiliesdotcom/contrib/ruinkai/nopityA.gif)(http://instagiber.net/smiliesdotcom/contrib/dvv/cwmjitter.gif)


 :lmao:
Title: 1397 Head, To port or not to port?
Post by: Pat Dietrich on November 12, 2004, 08:10:13 AM
Quote from: STREET RACER
What Ever(http://instagiber.net/smiliesdotcom/contrib/ruinkai/nopityA.gif)(http://instagiber.net/smiliesdotcom/contrib/dvv/cwmjitter.gif)


Whats that all about? Got something to say, say it. Non believer cause you can't run with me Mr. 9.4s with your 225hp motor!!!!  :roll:
Title: 1397 Head, To port or not to port?
Post by: dragzooks@indy on November 12, 2004, 09:37:19 AM
dont fall for it PAT...dont let spaz get to ya

busa heads arent rocket science...they've been around like going on 7 years now...most people that built more than a few have figured them out

cutting the guides down, opening the throats a little, smoothing the bowls, breaking the edge on the cumbustion chamber around the vavles, etc, etc, is NOT gonna win you any awards
but that polished up exhaust port sure is PRETTY  :roll:

everyone knows 1397s can and often do go 160mph or more

PAT, dont you have like several reliable witnesses that have seen it go that fast

and didnt even go into the low 160's with RS on it
no spray
Title: 1397 Head, To port or not to port?
Post by: Pat Dietrich on November 12, 2004, 10:58:39 AM
Quote from: STREET RACER
Yup Dat's me Mr. 9.40's. Put a stock arm on dat turd and race me head's up. Since U go 8.8's U should have no problem's going aleast 9.0's with a stock arm. That meens U got me cover by four tenth's. Jump Froggy!!!!:tony:


Not this stupidity again. You want to challenge me challenge ME on what I ride. And thats with a 4in arm, thats how I'm set-up. If you want to run an even race, get a 4in over arm. Or just for kicks, I will run you for 100.00 (I know its not big money) and you can run your stock arm bike WITH NOS. Hows that one speedy. Also, I will pull my airbox and you can look for hidden nitrous if thats in fact what you think I need to acheive those 8 sec passes. But I'm not running you unless you do the arm or run nitrous cause you aint getting the hit like you wanted last year :roll:




Yes Robert, Ryan ran 8.84 spinning 2 gears at 161 on a 95 degree day against the wind.
Anyone doubt this call Ryan 1-800-837-9730.
Title: 1397 Head, To port or not to port?
Post by: Pat Dietrich on November 12, 2004, 04:57:06 PM
Bahahahahahahahahaha thats some funny stuff. I can show slips Of Ryan running my bike also. I know those were Phils slips nice try speedy. Also I know what you were running in Byron on a near perfect day on a track that goes down hill big time. 9.20s @ 154-155. I'm not worried. I know you can't pull those 60s on a stock wheelbase bike so now what speedy. AND YES YOU CAN USE NITROUS ON YOUR 1397 STOCK WHEEL BASE BIKE. Not only that but if i win, I will give you a chance to win 50 back. I will run your stroked bike with you on motor only and me using the dry shot. Not sure if i'll come to Byron but I will run the street chaos for sure in Indy unless I hook up with someone in Indy where i could put my bike in a garage overnight and in that case we can do it on the street. I WILL OWN YOUR ASS!!!!!!!!!!!  :lol:
 Just curious, how many runs did you get in indy that night in 2 hrs time?
Title: 1397 Head, To port or not to port?
Post by: Pat Dietrich on November 12, 2004, 05:57:16 PM
Boy??????  :roll:  You know I left at 8:30 and wasn't about to pay 100.00 to race for 2 hrs. So trying to punk me out about it is senseless. But I will be there and will pay the 100.00 to shut your fat little ass up. Doesn't  matter, I'll get my 100.00 back. I know your pathetic on a bike but like to talk big shit on the internet tough guy, or so you think.  :lol:  :lol: As far as the other bike, one of your buddies said it was a 1500 something, can't remember don't really care either, just bring it. See ya next year rolly polly.  :twisted:
Title: 1397 Head, To port or not to port?
Post by: whtrthanu on November 12, 2004, 07:42:49 PM
Since you guys are all on the this tread about 1397's runnin 160 I was just curious about how much power a 1397 could have with stock pipes and run on pump gas 12.5 cr and stock size valves too I want to see what is actually out there not the bs about 225 hp either. I think 205 is really what they can make...............Let me know  :?:
Title: 1397 Head, To port or not to port?
Post by: flashracer on November 12, 2004, 07:44:32 PM
spaz just built a motor for a buddy of mine. i will post his et and mph. thats if he does any passes on it this year. it it flys like he said it will, hey i might let him freshen my motor. i have carpenter head 1397 with 385 megs. it this guy blows me away and his motor stays together. i may take a trip to see him. but i did see a spaz 1360 motor just go 151 -152 in 1/4 the same day i go 155 mph which was last weekend in kentucky. i know he has different way of building compression with flat top pistons. i just haven't seen any of his work. thats why i went with carpenter racing. that is if it dont cost me an arm and a leg to let spaz do it. but i got to see how my buddy 1397 spaz package performs first.
Title: 1397 Head, To port or not to port?
Post by: Pat Dietrich on November 13, 2004, 06:54:32 AM
Quote from: STREET RACER
Quote from: flashracer
but i did see a spaz 1360 motor just go 151 -152 in 1/4 the same day i go 155 mph which was last weekend in kentucky. .


Yup, 12.1 1360cc pump gas yosh cams stock wheel base 190 pound rider.


  Stock head, yosh cams, Akropovic exh, stock pistons I was running 9.40 @ 151. @200#s riding weight. Not impressive sorry!!! :roll:
Title: 1397 Head, To port or not to port?
Post by: mike45 on November 13, 2004, 09:15:22 AM
I'm surprised you don't flatten the intake floors.
Title: 1397 Head, To port or not to port?
Post by: Pat Dietrich on November 13, 2004, 09:37:09 AM
Quote from: STREET RACER
Yeah Pat but U left out where your bike wasn't stock length and U had a air shifter. And I really doubt U where going 9.10! Hell I have been 149 mph on my stock 04, pipe  yosh cams, foot shiftin" but only went a 9.45 Let's see the big picture here!!


First of all tard boy, Where does the 9.10 come in??? I said 9.40. Whats the matter you like to make things up in that little mind of yours??? And yeah, your stock 04 is really fast :roll: You got your ass handed to you by a gsxr1000 that runs 9.7s ( Mike Barger) I watched him run and he wasn't spinning much at all 9.7 @ 143, I have it on tape and before Mike steps in I know its a stock motor. I know he raced you in Indy and it wasn't close. People that were there told me. They mistaked that bike for the bike you named Virus which is soooo kindergarden.  :roll:  I let them know for you that it was just a stock 04 that you had out at night. But I wouldn't doubt 149 at Byron. I've seen that track and also talked to guys that run NMRA and been to that track for a meet. Every record was broke. HMMM sounds like a happy track to me. So I wouldn't doubt it. Maybe I should come over there, hell you run 9.4s at indy and 9.1s or 2s at Byron, I'd probably go in the 8.7s. Now that i think about it, is everything over your way happy ?? Track is happy and your dyno must be a hoot :P  :lol:
Title: 1397 Head, To port or not to port?
Post by: Pat Dietrich on November 13, 2004, 10:23:57 AM
I could hold both your helmets get you a pop and bring you back fries :wink:
Title: 1397 Head, To port or not to port?
Post by: Pat Dietrich on November 13, 2004, 10:36:24 AM
Never said Chaos. It was on fri night in indy not at the track. Now what?? Want to tell me i'm wrong? Thought not :P
Title: 1397 Head, To port or not to port?
Post by: Mike Barger on November 13, 2004, 10:41:45 AM
Quote from: Pat Dietrich

First of all tard boy, Where does the 9.10 come in??? I said 9.40. Whats the matter you like to make things up in that little mind of yours??? And yeah, your stock 04 is really fast :roll: You got your ass handed to you by a gsxr1000 that runs 9.7s ( Mike Barger) I watched him run and he wasn't spinning much at all 9.7 @ 143, I have it on tape and before Mike steps in I know its a stock motor. I know he raced you in Indy and it wasn't close. People that were there told me. They mistaked that bike for the bike you named Virus which is soooo kindergarden.  :roll:  I let them know for you that it was just a stock 04 that you had out at night. But I wouldn't doubt 149 at Byron. I've seen that track and also talked to guys that run NMRA and been to that track for a meet. Every record was broke. HMMM sounds like a happy track to me. So I wouldn't doubt it. Maybe I should come over there, hell you run 9.4s at indy and 9.1s or 2s at Byron, I'd probably go in the 8.7s. Now that i think about it, is everything over your way happy ?? Track is happy and your dyno must be a hoot :P  :lol:



Lay off the steroids Pat and put the crack pipe down.  You said my name, so I will chime in.  If you have me on tape running 9.7 anything it has to be at least 2 years old.  I did run 9.71 on my factory stock 01' 1000 with a strap on the front, that's all.  Yes, I did race Spaz on the street this year in Indy on his 04' but he gave me a bike length and the hit.  That's a pretty fair race for him, huh?  We were just trying to brew up some races, that's all since everyone was just sitting there.  Pat, it's funny how nice you are in person and when it comes to the internet you have a completely different personality.  Keep it real Pat.  
Kindergarden bike named Virus......hell buddy, that's your worst nightmare.  Getting beat by a stock wheelbase busa....
Title: 1397 Head, To port or not to port?
Post by: ANTDOG600 on November 13, 2004, 10:57:40 AM
thing getting heated or just guys getting each other fired up for winter?
Title: 1397 Head, To port or not to port?
Post by: mike45 on November 13, 2004, 11:03:04 AM
Quote from: Mike Barger
Quote from: Pat Dietrich

First of all tard boy, Where does the 9.10 come in??? I said 9.40. Whats the matter you like to make things up in that little mind of yours??? And yeah, your stock 04 is really fast :roll: You got your ass handed to you by a gsxr1000 that runs 9.7s ( Mike Barger) I watched him run and he wasn't spinning much at all 9.7 @ 143, I have it on tape and before Mike steps in I know its a stock motor. I know he raced you in Indy and it wasn't close. People that were there told me. They mistaked that bike for the bike you named Virus which is soooo kindergarden.  :roll:  I let them know for you that it was just a stock 04 that you had out at night. But I wouldn't doubt 149 at Byron. I've seen that track and also talked to guys that run NMRA and been to that track for a meet. Every record was broke. HMMM sounds like a happy track to me. So I wouldn't doubt it. Maybe I should come over there, hell you run 9.4s at indy and 9.1s or 2s at Byron, I'd probably go in the 8.7s. Now that i think about it, is everything over your way happy ?? Track is happy and your dyno must be a hoot :P  :lol:



Lay off the steroids Pat and put the crack pipe down.  You said my name, so I will chime in.  If you have me on tape running 9.7 anything it has to be at least 2 years old.  I did run 9.71 on my factory stock 01' 1000 with a strap on the front, that's all.  Yes, I did race Spaz on the street this year in Indy on his 04' but he gave me a bike length and the hit.  That's a pretty fair race for him, huh?  We were just trying to brew up some races, that's all since everyone was just sitting there.  Pat, it's funny how nice you are in person and when it comes to the internet you have a completely different personality.  Keep it real Pat.  
Kindergarden bike named Virus......hell buddy, that's your worst nightmare.  Getting beat by a stock wheelbase busa....
 Hmmmm...smoking steroids with a crack pipe........ :lol:
Title: 1397 Head, To port or not to port?
Post by: Pat Dietrich on November 13, 2004, 04:49:45 PM
Mike, why would you get on here and lie???? Doesn't make sense to me. I watched you run 3 times before i left and the BEST was a 9.7 @ 143 mph. Then you got on here and posted that you ran like 9.3 or something like that @ 152mph, which indicated to me you actually used nitrous after i left or you just wanted people to think your faster than you are. So, sorry that your bike aint all that, now you have just proven to me that you are nothing but an internet racer, cause you sure as hell ain't shit on the track. Pretty funny how on here you have challenged me to a $$ race but when we were at muncie at the same time you didn't say shit. Not that i would have run for $$ but you didn't even try to line up with me. That would have been your only chance to come close but you would have had to run nitrous and had your best pass against my worst that night to have touched me. You can say what you want about that night but we both know what happened. And I do have it on tape, video don't lie, but you sure as hell do!!!! And I'm not worried about a bike that runs 9.2s with him on it. I've ran at Muncie, a 9.17 shutting down in third because I missed 4th gear and went through at 127mph. So hell, I could beat him on motor using 3 gears. And you talk about keeping it real but get on here and lie??? WTF ?? I can honestly say NOW, I have no respect for you.  :roll:
And the other thing dumb ass, since you want to lie on here, forget what I PM'd you, your the one that told me that you whipped up on Spaz on fri night but said nothing about the hit or a bike length. Just trying to make yourself look good obviously. When I tell a story I stick to the truth, this way I don't look like an ass like you do now. You don't need to come up to talk to me anymore at the strips, I can't stand liars. :roll: KEEP IT REAL MIKE , KEEP IT REAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And I am nice in person and on here, that is until i get called out like spaz has done twice now simply because he does all his little tricks to his 1397s and still can't beat a 206hp motor. So the best that he can come up with is accusing me of using nitrous to acheive those times at my weight. I ain't got anything more to say to you about this so go a head and try to lie some more.
Title: 1397 Head, To port or not to port?
Post by: Pat Dietrich on November 13, 2004, 04:54:52 PM
And whats with the muscle jokes and steroid BS, now i suppose a person can't be in the shape I am if he doesn't use steroids. Man I can't win can I?? :roll:
Title: 1397 Head, To port or not to port?
Post by: slamminbusa on November 13, 2004, 05:03:33 PM
Byron downhill?? That is kinda funny that some people say that. I live in Byron and have raced at Cordova, and at the Grove and the MPH is the same at each track.

Hell, if the track is downhill Kent Stotz should have ran in the 6's this year. He did come out at the least 4 times and the best run all year was a 7.40......

Your wrong on this one, Pat...... :D
Title: 1397 Head, To port or not to port?
Post by: Pat Dietrich on November 13, 2004, 05:14:54 PM
Yeah, OK. I'm wrong. Its happened before.


Mike sorry bud I owe you an apology. The run I have of you on tape is a 10.849 @ 142.20 Which was sept 29, 2004 and the run was at 6:29 but on a good note your reaction time was a 5.10. Now what bitch, it's on tape Mr. prostar. If you want I'll let 469boy or riceya watch the tape and verify?? Neither one would lie for me, especially Riceya, he's still mad cause my bike is prettier. :lol:  :lol: Oh and another correction, I ran 9.18 @ 127mph shutting down in third, thats on this tape also. :wink: Now I'm done!!!!!!
Title: 1397 Head, To port or not to port?
Post by: Pat Dietrich on November 13, 2004, 05:21:13 PM
Quote from: slamminbusa
Byron downhill?? That is kinda funny that some people say that. I live in Byron and have raced at Cordova, and at the Grove and the MPH is the same at each track.

Hell, if the track is downhill Kent Stotz should have ran in the 6's this year. He did come out at the least 4 times and the best run all year was a 7.40......

Your wrong on this one, Pat...... :D


oops guess i'm not wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! looks like the track is on the side of a freakin' mountain. Now what do you have to say Mr I run at Byron. Like i said, with a track that goes down hill like that I believe i would run 8.70s , point proven!!!!!!!


(http://www.racecraft.com/Byron%20Race%20Pictures/Outlaw%20Renegade%20Finals%20Top%20End.jpg)

You probably didn't think i could find a picture huh? Should think twice before opening your mouth.  :wink: I've seen the pictures of the track, I know what i'm talking about. DOWN HILL BIG TIME!!!!!!!!!!! Maybe thats trick photography :roll:
Title: 1397 Head, To port or not to port?
Post by: slamminbusa on November 13, 2004, 05:30:06 PM
So, how much MPH do you think you could gain by running downhill,Pat? The picture fools the eyes...Have you ever ran at Byron? If not, how the hell do you know what the track is like?

Let me say again..Kent Stotz, Duck Lauer, Phill Stoll all run at Byron and they don't run any faster here than anywhere else.......Those are the FACTS.....
Title: 1397 Head, To port or not to port?
Post by: Pat Dietrich on November 13, 2004, 06:05:29 PM
Blah, Blah, Blah! Thought it wasn't down hill?? Fact is it is and this didn't concern you. The track goes down hill period. Never been there and probably never will but if i did come i'd probably run in the 4s. Also a friend of mine that brought the picture to me has ran there and says totally opposite, says the picture doesn't come close to showing just how much of a grade it has. Pictures don't lie( just like my video of loser boy running in the 10s) anything else you want to add. Already busted you in a lie. Byron doesn't go downhill :roll:  :roll: yeah, OK it really doesn't :duh:
Title: 1397 Head, To port or not to port?
Post by: viol8r on November 13, 2004, 06:17:07 PM
I was with Spaz at Earlville a few years ago. They were saying the same thing about this track being down hill....it's not.

(http://www.viol8r.com/bikerfriends/spaz%20time%20mph.jpg)
Title: 1397 Head, To port or not to port?
Post by: Mike Barger on November 13, 2004, 07:07:40 PM
Quote from: Pat Dietrich
Yeah, OK. I'm wrong. Its happened before.


Mike sorry bud I owe you an apology. The run I have of you on tape is a 10.849 @ 142.20 Which was sept 29, 2004 and the run was at 6:29 but on a good note your reaction time was a 5.10. Now what bitch, it's on tape Mr. prostar. If you want I'll let 469boy or riceya watch the tape and verify?? Neither one would lie for me, especially Riceya, he's still mad cause my bike is prettier. :lol:  :lol: Oh and another correction, I ran 9.18 @ 127mph shutting down in third, thats on this tape also. :wink: Now I'm done!!!!!!


I have all the time slips from those runs Pat.  Can't a guy go to a test and tune and work on something other than their best et?  That was my first time at the strip with my new set-up and was working on my lock-up and PowerCommander.  I did run 9.3s on motor at 152 just ask Chris from Anderson Power Sports with the McXpress turbo ZX-12r.  Dude, you are so bad ass that you said you had a little head shake and got SCARED and went home.   :lol:   At indy prostar this year you asked if I got to race anyone yet and I told you that the only person I raced was Spaz on his STOCK 04' and won, and that I couldn't get any other races.  I HAVE NO NEED TO LIE ABOUT ANYTHING!  AND STOP GETTING SECOND HAND INFORMATION AND ACTING LIKE YOU KNOW ANYTHING.  YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT!!!!  I don't have to act like I'm fast at all, I have absolutely nothing to prove to you!
Title: 1397 Head, To port or not to port?
Post by: dragzooks@indy on November 13, 2004, 07:52:46 PM
i went to one of the hardcore series races and it SEEMED to go downhill visually...but i wasnt racing anything and cant say whether it was some weird optical illusion.....

...anyway, i do have this picture of SPAZ about to get drug by an old dinosaur

(http://home.comcast.net/~roamason1/spaz.jpg)
 :lmao:

spaz, for real, i'm JUST KIDDING
you gotta admit it was perfect timing and funny as hell    :D
Title: 1397 Head, To port or not to port?
Post by: slamminbusa on November 13, 2004, 08:04:03 PM
Here we go with the, "I could run this or that at your track, BUT I won't come and do it." First you said you would run .70's, then .40's. Wow, that is a strong 1397 for sure. Let's remember this thread next year when you change your story.

Oh yeah Viol8r, that track is frickin WAY downhill, just ask Pat............
Title: 1397 Head, To port or not to port?
Post by: Pat Dietrich on November 13, 2004, 08:33:19 PM
Hey Slammin, you better go back up and re-read. I didn't say I could run 8.4s dip , I said in the 4s you know like 4.5 sec :stupid: Like what a top fueler would run. Get with the program. Anything else??

So now you change your story huh mike? Whatever, my stories stay the same at least. I was there for at least 3 of your runs before i left and never once seen you do anything to your bike. I was watching cause i couldn't understand why it was so slow and that is not a crack. You tell people it is a consistant 9.20 bike, the BEST you ran while i was there was a 9.7@143. IF you ran 152 you used nitrous period. You don't gain that kind of mph playing around. If so maybe you should work on my pc3 and see if you could get me the 50hp you found in your tuning by playing around. What a retard! You have got to do better than that. Come on boy, you just got to have more. Don't let me down there liar boy. Hell dude, before it was you haven't run a 9.7 anything in 2 years now it's you were playing around with your set-up. YOU SUCK, OWN UP TO IT LOSER.

And yeah I lost my nerve and went home. I really don't think that makes me a pussy, just means I'm smart enough to know when to quit for the night :wink:
Title: 1397 Head, To port or not to port?
Post by: Pat Dietrich on November 13, 2004, 08:36:43 PM
Quote from: STREET RACER
Pat yourINADEQUACY's. are starting to show up at track and bedroom  I can help U with the Track thing but your on your own on the other.(http://instagiber.net/smiliesdotcom/otn/other/11doh.gif)


Please enlighten me will you? Show me where they are showing little woman. Don't just run your mouth bitch back it up.
Title: 1397 Head, To port or not to port?
Post by: Mike Barger on November 14, 2004, 05:28:54 AM
Quote from: Pat Dietrich
Hey Slammin, you better go back up and re-read. I didn't say I could run 8.4s dip , I said in the 4s you know like 4.5 sec :stupid: Like what a top fueler would run. Get with the program. Anything else??

So now you change your story huh mike? Whatever, my stories stay the same at least. I was there for at least 3 of your runs before i left and never once seen you do anything to your bike. I was watching cause i couldn't understand why it was so slow and that is not a crack. You tell people it is a consistant 9.20 bike, the BEST you ran while i was there was a 9.7@143. IF you ran 152 you used nitrous period. You don't gain that kind of mph playing around. If so maybe you should work on my pc3 and see if you could get me the 50hp you found in your tuning by playing around. What a retard! You have got to do better than that. Come on boy, you just got to have more. Don't let me down there liar boy. Hell dude, before it was you haven't run a 9.7 anything in 2 years now it's you were playing around with your set-up. YOU SUCK, OWN UP TO IT LOSER.

And yeah I lost my nerve and went home. I really don't think that makes me a pussy, just means I'm smart enough to know when to quit for the night :wink:


If you think for a second that all my bike is only capable of is 143 mph on motor then you are crazy.  My bone stocker (along with other stock 1000s) went 144.  Why in the hell did I dial in a 9.37 when I was bracket racing?  Probably just to let everyone think that my bike is faster than what it is huh?  Nitrous is a very inconsistant power adder and I will not use it bracket racing (my bottle was empty anyway).  Oh yea, I got to the final two rounds, so I must not have been running too far off.  Like I said before, stop getting your information from other people, it's starting to make you sound real STUPID!  I'm tired of dealing with you Pat.  This has been going on for a few years now.  Bring that long ass bike to the street and we'll see who is quicker.  Remember, my bike only runs 9.7s so it should be an easy race, right?
Title: 1397 Head, To port or not to port?
Post by: Pat Dietrich on November 14, 2004, 06:33:35 AM
Here we go again. Beginning of winter and you want to call me out. This is old Mike, you have nothing for me and you know it.  Nitrous for your information can be very consistant providing the bottle pressure is maintained, now who sounds stupid??? If you don't know that boy you have a lot to learn. Everytime i went to Muncie I posted on here for you to show, and when you finally did, never once did you try to line up?? Why is that? Because you only run on websites. PATHETIC LITTLE LOSER BOY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So easy to chalenge someone when its 20 degrees outside isn't it? And where do you get this info from other people crap, I watched what you ran and they were full passes, now you want to lie about what you ran?? Whatever. As far as the dial in, only proves to me you used nitrous or you are dumber than i thought for running 9.7s and then dialing in at 9.37 unless of course you used nitrous which i'm sure you did because if you don't remember you told me that you were thinking about running it later on in the night. So how could you think about running it if the bottle was empty????????? LIES,LIES AND MORE LIES. KEEP GOING SPAZ'S LITTLE GIRLFRIEND, KEEP GOING. YOUR FREAKIN' HILARIOUS :roll:  :roll:  :roll:
Title: 1397 Head, To port or not to port?
Post by: Pat Dietrich on November 14, 2004, 06:34:30 AM
What was the topic again?????? :lmao:
Title: 1397 Head, To port or not to port?
Post by: Mike Barger on November 14, 2004, 08:41:06 AM
Quote from: Pat Dietrich
Here we go again. Beginning of winter and you want to call me out. This is old Mike, you have nothing for me and you know it.  Nitorus for your information can be very consistant providing the bottle pressure is maintained, now who sounds stupid??? If you don't know that boy you have a lot to learn. Everytime i went to Muncie I posted on here for you to show, and when you finally did, never once did you try to line up?? Why is that? Because you only run on websites. PATHETIC LITTLE LOSER BOY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So easy to chalenge someone when its 20 degrees outside isn't it? And where do you get this info from other people crap, I watched what you ran and they were full passes, now you want to lie about what you ran?? Whatever. As far as the dial in, only proves to me you used nitrous or you are dumber than i thought for running 9.7s and then dialing in at 9.37 unless of course you used nitrous which i'm sure you did because if you don't remember you told me that you were thinking about running it later on in the night. So how could you think about running it if the bottle was empty????????? LIES,LIES AND MORE LIES. KEEP GOING SPAZ'S LITTLE GIRLFRIEND, KEEP GOING. YOUR FREAKIN' HILARIOUS :roll:  :roll:  :roll:


How many top bracket racers run nitrous?  Enough said!  I have worked on a few teams that run top gas and they said if they could build a motor that would run 8.20 they would do it because of the inconsistancy of nitrous.  You could have the same pressure before each run and it still might not spray EXACTLY the same as the last.  They lose by thousands of a second here.  There's a racing tip from me to you.  You better write it down though, you seem to be confused from time to time.  It may be cold outside, but at least I'm not the one wanting to race Spaz NEXT YEAR AT INDY CHAOS.  Which is 9 months away!  Ha Ha!  I did try and spray on it that night, but the bottle was empty.  That's what happens when you decide to go TEST at the last second.  Pat, you don't know anything except what you are told.  Then you act like you came up with it and you've known it for years.  The only experience you have is what you can call someone up and ask about.  Get a life!  I remember you coming up to me and asking for some help with your clutches.  Hmmmm!  Why would you want help from a guy that needs lessons about nitrous!!! :roll:  :lol:
Title: 1397 Head, To port or not to port?
Post by: Mike Barger on November 14, 2004, 08:47:36 AM
By the way, even if my bottle was full, how many passes do you think I can get out of a 1lb bottle?  Maybe 3 if I was lucky.  It sure takes more than that to get to the final rounds.  Once again, dude you know absolutely nothing at all.
Title: 1397 Head, To port or not to port?
Post by: CintiGreg on November 14, 2004, 10:45:18 AM
Damn we need a fireman to put this fire out cause it is smoking for sure.
Title: 1397 Head, To port or not to port?
Post by: Pat Dietrich on November 14, 2004, 02:24:38 PM
Quote from: CintiGreg
Damn we need a fireman to put this fire out cause it is smoking for sure.


 :lol:

Yeah mike i know nothing thats why my bike runs the way it does ( and i built it , everything) and yours runs like a stocker and i'm sure you built it :roll: . I call no one ever so where ever your getting your info from, better find another source. And about the clutch thing, never asked for your help you illiterate tard. I just simply told you what was going on with it and that I snapped a spring bolt in half and wondered if i should run it on 5 springs. DUH! Quit bringing that up like i really needed your help. Man your a bunghole. Find something else to rip on me with or i'm going to stop playing your game here. You are starting to bore me, come on dude you can do better i know you can. :wink:


And spazzy- I saw you, don't crack on yourself about being big and fat, nothing big about you :lol: ! As far as waiting till indy, I know these guys here always rent Muncie drags towards the begining of the season. Maybe think about that. Or I'll gladly bring my bike to kokomo on a sat or sun if you can work a deal with mike to maybe hang out for a weekend?? I'll come there to stomp both your asses. Actually, just his. You I think will be a good race IF you use nitrous on a stock wheelbase bike. Later. Oh, do me a favor and help your girlfriend out, he's not doing a very good job cracking on me and it's really starting to annoy me :wink: Later
Title: 1397 Head, To port or not to port?
Post by: Pat Dietrich on November 14, 2004, 06:58:24 PM
Not to sure who Jody is but I broke up with my boyfriend after i caught him cheating on me with you. Guess there's still a part of him that wants to be with a woman and thats where you come in, best of both worlds, he gets a woman with hairy legs. :shock: Got anything else??  :lol:

I can't promise a byron trip but i would like to go on one of those monthly things( no not your period either :wink: ). But if thats the best you can do guess i'll just listen to you run your mouth till indy at which point it will get shut. The only problem for you is explaining how in the world one of your high dollar motors, on nitrous, got drug down the track by an all motor bike built by someone that knows nothing. :shock:and only has 2000.00 in it.  But I'll do you a favor, I will let you pay me 500.00 so that i won't get on here and make fun of you. I don't want potential customers seeing this beating your going to get. I will not end someones career over 100.00. I can be a dick sometimes but I won't go that far.

As far as Mike. His bike is set-up totally diff. Slammed, stretched, lock-up, and lighter than shit. I would think he could put enough power to the ground with nitrous ( and keep it down) to beat my motor. But because of him being a pro rider :roll: and being so light, it would be a fair race motor on motor, but he won't do that cause he'll get his ass handed to him and he knows it, which is why he never showed when i invited him to muncie a few times this summer. And i had this feeling that he would start this shit again once the first frost hit. I know him too well.
Title: 1397 Head, To port or not to port?
Post by: Mike Barger on November 14, 2004, 08:07:36 PM
Quote from: Pat Dietrich

As far as Mike. His bike is set-up totally diff. Slammed, stretched, lock-up, and lighter than shit. I would think he could put enough power to the ground with nitrous ( and keep it down) to beat my motor. But because of him being a pro rider :roll: and being so light, it would be a fair race motor on motor, but he won't do that cause he'll get his ass handed to him and he knows it, which is why he never showed when i invited him to muncie a few times this summer. And i had this feeling that he would start this shit again once the first frost hit. I know him too well.


Dude we weigh about the same, your bike is basicly 1400cc, your bike is over 4" longer than mine, and you want to race heads up?  Well, so would I if I was in your shoes.  Me spraying nitrous will barely even up those odds.  Yes, I've had some motor issues in the past and I've learned alot about these little 1000 motors.  It seems like my bike has been down some just about every summer.  I'm pretty sure I've figured it out now.  I guess I should have kept the busa that I had.  As far as you handing me my ass, I doubt it.  Keep dreaming.  I'm tired of this topic.  I really wish I wasn't brought into it.  From now on, just keep me out of the B.S.  thanks
Title: 1397 Head, To port or not to port?
Post by: Pat Dietrich on November 14, 2004, 08:18:30 PM
You must have the heaviest 1000 made then!!! Me and bike weigh 705. You and bike weigh 705 too huh?? So your bike weighs roughly 520 pounds? Yeah, OK. I believe that one like i believe 9.3s without nitrous. :roll: OK, your done here! Just me and spaz. Come on spaz, what else you got? I'm bored , bring it!!!!!!!! Stupid up there thinks his bike weighs as much as a busa. I don't feel like talking to tards. Got anything stupid to add??  :roll:
Title: 1397 Head, To port or not to port?
Post by: whtrthanu on November 14, 2004, 08:20:02 PM
This is good shit I feel like Im in brooklyn.......
Title: 1397 Head, To port or not to port?
Post by: Pat Dietrich on November 14, 2004, 08:21:51 PM
And dip shit, before you say that you weigh as much as me, re-read my post. It says his bike is setup totally diff, slammed ,stretched, lock-up and lighter than shit. HIS BIKE! NOT YOU.  :roll:  :roll: DAMN YOUR STUPID. :roll:
Title: 1397 Head, To port or not to port?
Post by: Pat Dietrich on November 14, 2004, 08:23:45 PM
Quote from: whtrthanu
This is good shit I feel like Im in brooklyn.......


 :lol:

Now what were we talking about.. Oh yeah the head.

Yes, have it ported . Hope we've answered your question!! :lmao:
Title: 1397 Head, To port or not to port?
Post by: bhartley on November 15, 2004, 08:06:11 AM
I was the person getting the time slips for Mike at the Indy Chaos event . He was running better then a 9.71 . I got all the slips for him and I saw what it ran every pass . He only sprayed it on the last pass . Those are the fact's . His bike ran alot quicker then a 9.70 .. Maybe I need to get in on this action with my R1. I have got something for ya. :lol:
Title: 1397 Head, To port or not to port?
Post by: Mike Barger on November 15, 2004, 09:11:36 AM
Quote from: bhartley
I was the person getting the time slips for Mike at the Indy Chaos event . He was running better then a 9.71 . I got all the slips for him and I saw what it ran every pass . He only sprayed it on the last pass . Those are the fact's . His bike ran alot quicker then a 9.70 .. Maybe I need to get in on this action with my R1. I have got something for ya. :lol:


UT-OH!  Now that would be a race I'd put the savings on!  Do ya think he'd want to get beat by an R1?

And yes, i was talking about you and I.  Rider weight is pretty close to the same.
Title: 1397 Head, To port or not to port?
Post by: bhartley on November 15, 2004, 09:22:44 AM
Mike

I took it to the track a couple of week's ago and I was pretty impressed with it . I made 10 passes in a row with the exact same 60 foot times .
It look's like I finally got the chasis figured out . Time to turn up the wick. :shock:
Title: 1397 Head, To port or not to port?
Post by: Pat Dietrich on November 15, 2004, 12:38:57 PM
Quote from: bhartley
I was the person getting the time slips for Mike at the Indy Chaos event . He was running better then a 9.71 . I got all the slips for him and I saw what it ran every pass . He only sprayed it on the last pass . Those are the fact's . His bike ran alot quicker then a 9.70 .. Maybe I need to get in on this action with my R1. I have got something for ya. :lol:


Never said he couldn't run or hasn't run quicker. Just that at Muncie I watched a best of 9.7 @ 143 on a full pass not spinnig, I was standing right at the line with the starter. So those are the facts. I could care less what you say he ran, your his friend of course you'll try to make him look good. I'll make a point to hook up with him this summer and settle this and your welcome to join him.
Title: 1397 Head, To port or not to port?
Post by: bhartley on November 15, 2004, 12:53:48 PM
Pat your bike is a great running and looking bike . I have only met you once and you seem to be a nice guy  But if you think you want some of my bike we can do it this weekend at US41.  We can watch the weather and if it is not raining then let's do this . I am not one for bullshitting around . If it is not raining then let's get it done . I know that your bike runs good but believe me I am not scared . You are always talking crap about turbo bikes not running . Let's see if you really want to find out . And yes I am his friend but why would I want to lie about what he ran . Make's know difference to me . I don't doubt that you saw him running slower either but maybe he was trying some things . I have know idea .
Title: 1397 Head, To port or not to port?
Post by: Mike Barger on November 15, 2004, 01:01:18 PM
I'm up for going to 41 this weekend.  Let me know what day (if it's not raining) that you wanna go.  Hartley I still have your number, I'll just call you on Friday or so.  I need to get my airshifter working again.  I think I can run quicker than a 9.7 if I wasn't foot shifting.... :lol:  :wink:
Title: 1397 Head, To port or not to port?
Post by: bhartley on November 15, 2004, 01:15:41 PM
I love that they (US41) stay's open late it the year . I don't care if it is cold or not my bike seem's to be hooking really good now . Mike and me are friends but how often do we talk or do anything ? Let's see prostar Indy and the thing in Kokomo that make's twice a year we talk or hang out . That make's us such good friends that I would lie for you ..
That is funny . I have met Spaz a couple of time's also I guess that mean's I would lie for him also . I don't care who has the faster bike I just like to race . There is alway's someone faster . Just don't take the R1 to lightly or you might look like an ass. If this happens it will be a good time . I have a few friend's that might want in on the action with the busa.
Title: 1397 Head, To port or not to port?
Post by: BELLMAN on November 15, 2004, 02:50:22 PM
You  allmotorguys are a lot more fun than the turbo talk guys. :drink:
Title: 1397 Head, To port or not to port?
Post by: Bayou Busa on November 15, 2004, 04:51:28 PM
I was enjoying this thread of Pat battling it out with Spaz and Mike, but now this Harley Davidson guy is jumping in...

Harley, Spaz and Mike are big boys...I'm sure they don't need you to take up their slack...or do they :?:  :?:  :?:
Title: 1397 Head, To port or not to port?
Post by: Pat Dietrich on November 15, 2004, 05:27:12 PM
Quote from: Bayou Busa
I was enjoying this thread of Pat battling it out with Spaz and Mike, but now this Harley Davidson guy is jumping in...

Harley, Spaz and Mike are big boys...I'm sure they don't need you to take up their slack...or do they :?:  :?:  :?:


Yeah, I was enjoying it too! But to be honest Mike does need his little buddy to take up some slack for him, he runs 9.7s on a dragbike with a street tire. :roll: He's my hero!


Hartly- If you are talking sat. I work till noon and my evening is already taken. I'm sure you want to go get some time runs but if your itching that bad, bring it here and we can line them up but other than that have fun. As far as Mikes concerned and his times don't care what he ran that night in Indy or what you saw. Not saying you are stretching it, but it would be VERY hard to believe he went alot quicker than 9.7. If the traction was there I would think he may have been in the higher 50s but thats it unless somehow he happened to spin another bearing between Indy and Muncie. I know he was running 9.7s before and i asked what happened he said that he spun a bearing, just know what i saw simple as that!!  Also just for your info, a mild set-up motor bike getting beat by a turbo bike is no big deal, so i could never look like an ass! However, a tubo bike that weighs 100 pounds lighter and i'm quite sure makes more than 206hp getting beat or even a close race would be down right embarrassing. Keep that in mind :wink:  And yeah, I can be nice in person and on here till someone like spaz says that i lie about not running nitrous to acheive my times at me and bikes weight. Thats where this started so anyway, I doubt i go to any dragstrips the rest of this year but if you are really feeling froggy, feel free to come on over. We go behind GM plant which is south of ft.wayne, let me know, I'll be waiting. :wink:
Title: 1397 Head, To port or not to port?
Post by: bhartley on November 15, 2004, 06:06:58 PM
Not a problem if you can't go . We can hook up anytime .
I don't need any time run's either we can go right off the trailer .
I am sure your ported head big compression 1397 mild motor will make up for my bone stock turbo motor  and for the weight of the bikes the last time I heard you had NOS so that should even up the weight issue. Check around the turbo setup for the R1 is not capible of big power . I am sure on the spray you are making more power then me. I was just stiring the pot anyway . It does not matter to me if you can't run now I will have the bike for a long time . I just like to race . I will let you guy's get back to talking crap to each other . And buy the way I don't own a Harley or ride one . What does Bayou Busa race ? The keyboard ....
Have a nice day..

Quote from: Pat Dietrich
Quote from: Bayou Busa
I was enjoying this thread of Pat battling it out with Spaz and Mike, but now this Harley Davidson guy is jumping in...

Harley, Spaz and Mike are big boys...I'm sure they don't need you to take up their slack...or do they :?:  :?:  :?:


Yeah, I was enjoying it too! But to be honest Mike does need his little buddy to take up some slack for him, he runs 9.7s on a dragbike with a street tire. :roll: He's my hero!


Hartly- If you are talking sat. I work till noon and my evening is already taken. I'm sure you want to go get some time runs but if your itching that bad, bring it here and we can line them up but other than that have fun. As far as Mikes concerned and his times don't care what he ran that night in Indy or what you saw. Not saying you are stretching it, but it would be VERY hard to believe he went alot quicker than 9.7. If the traction was there I would think he may have been in the higher 50s but thats it unless somehow he happened to spin another bearing between Indy and Muncie. I know he was running 9.7s before and i asked what happened he said that he spun a bearing, just know what i saw simple as that!!  Also just for your info, a mild set-up motor bike getting beat by a turbo bike is no big deal, so i could never look like an ass! However, a tubo bike that weighs 100 pounds lighter and i'm quite sure makes more than 206hp getting beat or even a close race would be down right embarrassing. Keep that in mind :wink:  And yeah, I can be nice in person and on here till someone like spaz says that i lie about not running nitrous to acheive my times at me and bikes weight. Thats where this started so anyway, I doubt i go to any dragstrips the rest of this year but if you are really feeling froggy, feel free to come on over. We go behind GM plant which is south of ft.wayne, let me know, I'll be waiting. :wink:
Title: 1397 Head, To port or not to port?
Post by: Pat Dietrich on November 15, 2004, 07:04:52 PM
Quote from: STREET RACER
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Care to explain your comment, or do you just like talking out of your fat ass?? I never back peddle, not scared to run Ryan Schnitz, sure as hell aint scared to run an R1 turbo or not. Some of us have jobs that we are responsible for. Thats why I can live in the house i'm in and buy what I want when i need to buy it. I invited him here if he cares to make the trip. Now what big mouth?? And by the way, who is St louis red??Oh and back at you dick breath :bigfu:  :bigfu:
Title: 1397 Head, To port or not to port?
Post by: Steve A on November 15, 2004, 07:16:25 PM
This is all very informative pertaining to porting a 1397 head !!!  :D  :D  :D  :D  :D
Title: 1397 Head, To port or not to port?
Post by: Pat Dietrich on November 15, 2004, 07:18:14 PM
Bhartly- wiesco 12:1s aint no big compression motor.  :roll:  And as far as the nitrous, never used it yet on a turbo bike, you really think you'll be the first that i'll need it on huh? So what kind of times are you running that makes you think that. And don't give me no BS about not wanting your times out there. Everybody knows what I run. I post everytime i run what I run. But I can do this cause they are usually pretty good numbers, so how about you or are you embarrased to tell or talking out of your ass like Spaz and Mike do??? Its simple, you run 8.70s or better, i'll use the nitrous, you run 8.80s or higher, I go on motor if this ever happens, you beat me, we'll go again and I'll spray. But i don't like to do it if i don't need to so where you standing?? Or maybe you think like Spaz and actually believe it takes nitrous for me to run 8.8s? My best time is 8.87, my best with nitrous spinning first and second is 8.82 @ 165.25 , that was the 4th pass on the bottle and the first was really bad coming out of the hole( non sprayed track) I think it was a 8.9 something but @ 167. Second pass was 166.79@ 8.85 but i would imagine with a good track I'll be in the higher 8.6s anyway. So what do you got for me? And I do race out of fun also, and spaz will be the first and probably only one i will run for 100.00 with him spraying and me not.
Title: 1397 Head, To port or not to port?
Post by: Pat Dietrich on November 15, 2004, 07:19:39 PM
Quote from: Pat Dietrich
Quote from: whtrthanu
This is good shit I feel like Im in brooklyn.......


 :lol:

Now what were we talking about.. Oh yeah the head.

Yes, have it ported . Hope we've answered your question!! :lmao:


Steve- see, i answered his question. :lol:
Title: 1397 Head, To port or not to port?
Post by: Bayou Busa on November 15, 2004, 07:27:12 PM
Quote from: bhartley
What does Bayou Busa race ? The keyboard ....


Nah...a 1397!

Too bad you're up there and I'm down here!
Title: 1397 Head, To port or not to port?
Post by: Steve A on November 15, 2004, 07:35:15 PM
Excellent !!!  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
Title: 1397 Head, To port or not to port?
Post by: Mike Barger on November 15, 2004, 10:47:57 PM
Quote from: Pat Dietrich
Its simple, you run 8.70s or better, i'll use the nitrous, you run 8.80s or higher, I go on motor if this ever happens, you beat me, we'll go again and I'll spray.


You better have the bottle ready to race Bhartley!   :lol:  

I went out today and rode with a buddy of mine with a big motored busa and we did plenty of roll-ons, let me say he was very pissed that a little 1000 can PULL from his busa.  I was foot shifting and he has auto shift.  Hmmmmm!  He has dynoed at 190+ hp too.   :lol:  :wink:  Looks like we need to try some different gearing on his bike, maybe it's too tall!
Title: 1397 Head, To port or not to port?
Post by: Pat Dietrich on November 16, 2004, 04:30:38 AM
I'd be pissed too if I couldn't pull away from a bike that runs 143mph in a 1/4 mile. But lucky for me a roll on with you would be a joke. Be the same as rolling with a stock busa. :roll:
Title: 1397 Head, To port or not to port?
Post by: bhartley on November 16, 2004, 05:58:14 AM
Like I said before that is a good running bike .
But why have Nitrous and not use it . Are you afraid it is going to blow up ?
You just said you had plenty of money to do what you want so why not use it . You said it should run 8.60's but runing that and thinking it will run that is a different story . I hope you can run that but picking up 2.5 to 3 tenths is easier said then done .  I race for fun also . To me it is just another hobbie . If we go to the track sometime maybe you will want to run my street car also . I just like to race . Win or lose it does not make a difference to me . Like you said I know what your bike runs so if I was not sure I would win why would I have offered to race you . I am not going to get in a pissing match I try to be friends with everyone so if you want we can race anytime or we can just hang out sometime . How is the riding and racing up there ? I try to go to different towns during the summer to hang out .




Quote from: Pat Dietrich
Bhartly- wiesco 12:1s aint no big compression motor.  :roll:  And as far as the nitrous, never used it yet on a turbo bike, you really think you'll be the first that i'll need it on huh? So what kind of times are you running that makes you think that. And don't give me no BS about not wanting your times out there. Everybody knows what I run. I post everytime i run what I run. But I can do this cause they are usually pretty good numbers, so how about you or are you embarrased to tell or talking out of your ass like Spaz and Mike do??? Its simple, you run 8.70s or better, i'll use the nitrous, you run 8.80s or higher, I go on motor if this ever happens, you beat me, we'll go again and I'll spray. But i don't like to do it if i don't need to so where you standing?? Or maybe you think like Spaz and actually believe it takes nitrous for me to run 8.8s? My best time is 8.87, my best with nitrous spinning first and second is 8.82 @ 165.25 , that was the 4th pass on the bottle and the first was really bad coming out of the hole( non sprayed track) I think it was a 8.9 something but @ 167. Second pass was 166.79@ 8.85 but i would imagine with a good track I'll be in the higher 8.6s anyway. So what do you got for me? And I do race out of fun also, and spaz will be the first and probably only one i will run for 100.00 with him spraying and me not.
Title: 1397 Head, To port or not to port?
Post by: bhartley on November 16, 2004, 06:00:46 AM
And yes you should port your head . Easy horsepower.
Title: 1397 Head, To port or not to port?
Post by: Pat Dietrich on November 16, 2004, 12:34:50 PM
Quote from: Pat Dietrich
Quote from: STREET RACER
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Care to explain your comment, or do you just like talking out of your fat ass?? I never back peddle, not scared to run Ryan Schnitz, sure as hell aint scared to run an R1 turbo or not. Some of us have jobs that we are responsible for. Thats why I can live in the house i'm in and buy what I want when i need to buy it. I invited him here if he cares to make the trip. Now what big mouth?? And by the way, who is St louis red??Oh and back at you dick breath :bigfu:  :bigfu:




I'm re-reading through this and don't see where it says I have plenty of money??? I have enough I can buy what I want when I need it, but I don't have plenty.If I did I would have a new vette. :(
But to answer your question, yeah I'm afraid to blow it up. Regardless if I have the money to fix it or not (and mike can back this up) No fun having a bike torn down over the riding season. So...... If I don't have to use it I won't.
Curious here, if you know you can beat me for a fact (obviously you can fore see the future) Tell me what my time with nitrous was compared to your time with your bike. Also like to know what my 60 and 330 was so I know if it needs improvement. Appreciate it. :lol:  As for the pissing match, if you seen a big pissing match going on why would you get in the middle of it if you didn't want to get in one?? HMMM, not using our heads very well now are we?
So I guess to answer my question up above, your not proud of the numbers you put down with your bike so you don't want to post any. Thats fine.
Another question, why would you only want to run someone you KNOW you can beat?? Isn't that boring? Personally, I like to run drag bikes or turbo bikes so it's a fun race anyway, but guess thats just me. And once again your welcome to come over anytime this year if we get a good day on a weekend or next year anytime, I promise I won't be a dick. Just on here. :lol:
Title: 1397 Head, To port or not to port?
Post by: BELLMAN on November 16, 2004, 12:41:18 PM
You PROMISE you won't be a dik? :drink:
Title: 1397 Head, To port or not to port?
Post by: bhartley on November 16, 2004, 12:57:40 PM
Quote from: Pat Dietrich
Quote from: Pat Dietrich
Quote from: STREET RACER
Pat Dietrich AKA Backpeddler, chicken shit, scaredy cat or St.Louis Red. U take your pick It all comes out the same!!!(http://smilies.jeeptalk.org/contrib/ed/the_finger.gif)(http://instagiber.net/smiliesdotcom/otn/angry/tdo3.gif)(http://instagiber.net/smiliesdotcom/ups/kamikaze/smilie_barf.gif)


Care to explain your comment, or do you just like talking out of your fat ass?? I never back peddle, not scared to run Ryan Schnitz, sure as hell aint scared to run an R1 turbo or not. Some of us have jobs that we are responsible for. Thats why I can live in the house i'm in and buy what I want when i need to buy it. I invited him here if he cares to make the trip. Now what big mouth?? And by the way, who is St louis red??Oh and back at you dick breath :bigfu:  :bigfu:




I'm re-reading through this and don't see where it says I have plenty of money??? I have enough I can buy what I want when I need it, but I don't have plenty.If I did I would have a new vette. :(
But to answer your question, yeah I'm afraid to blow it up. Regardless if I have the money to fix it or not (and mike can back this up) No fun having a bike torn down over the riding season. So...... If I don't have to use it I won't.
Curious here, if you know you can beat me for a fact (obviously you can fore see the future) Tell me what my time with nitrous was compared to your time with your bike. Also like to know what my 60 and 330 was so I know if it needs improvement. Appreciate it. :lol:  As for the pissing match, if you seen a big pissing match going on why would you get in the middle of it if you didn't want to get in one?? HMMM, not using our heads very well now are we?
So I guess to answer my question up above, your not proud of the numbers you put down with your bike so you don't want to post any. Thats fine.
Another question, why would you only want to run someone you KNOW you can beat?? Isn't that boring? Personally, I like to run drag bikes or turbo bikes so it's a fun race anyway, but guess thats just me. And once again your welcome to come over anytime this year if we get a good day on a weekend or next year anytime, I promise I won't be a dick. Just on here. :lol:


1. I will race anybody I don't care if I can beat them or not . I am not going to bet big money on a race if I know I can't win .
2.You asked what your time with nitrous was compared to my time with my bike.  (Not fast or quick enough yet) I am sure in perfect conditions it would be a great race but since you have not gotten down the track yet with the spray you don't have any idea what you will run. ( Might be alot quicker then me ) Who Knows.
3. I did not try to jump in a pissing match . Just stated that I know for a fact the Mike's bike has ran quicker then 9.70's on the motor.
4. I never said I was not proud of what my bike run's  . I just don't feel the need to brag about it .
5. You posted what you 60 foot times were and they seemed fine to me .
I am sure all of ours could be better . But I guess if we could all ride like Ryan we would be racing for a living . But since most of us can't ride like him we will just have to make do with our times .

I will get up that way sometime . I am sure it would be a good time .
Title: 1397 Head, To port or not to port?
Post by: Pat Dietrich on November 16, 2004, 03:30:09 PM
Quote from: bhartley
Like you said I know what your bike runs so if I was not sure I would win why would I have offered to race you .


1- Looks to me that you won't race unless your sure you'll beat them. isn't that why you offered? you said it yourself. Now you're saying you'll race anyone. WTF . Make up your mind.

2- I have nothing for that one :roll:

3- You said a lot quicker. That would be in my territory, and we both know he couldn't run 8.8s with nitrous. :lol:

4- I don't feel its bragging, just sharing but if it's embarrassing to you don't worry about it, just takes practice, you'll get it. :wink:

5- last time i ran my 60s sucked but still somehow was able to run 8.89 with a 1.54 60. Now if i would have run one of my best 60( I know would have, should have :roll: ) Very possible i may have a high 8.70. That will be my goal for next season.

6- how long is your bike?
 You running a lock-up or is yours a street bike where you have to rely on skill to get out of the hole?? Yeah , that was a crack on mike :lol: ( but at some point I may end up with one and then i'll take it back, but not until then).
What kind of mph you getting 1/8th and 1/4?

It will be a good time. You can line up with 469boy and his turbo bike that he has no idea how to ride cause he won't take it to the strip. :lol:  ( i know you are reading this :P ) And after you beat him , i'll go ahead and put you in your place. See ya next year, should be a good summer( for me anyway :lmao: )
Title: 1397 Head, To port or not to port?
Post by: bhartley on November 17, 2004, 06:03:39 AM
1. I said I would race anyone period . Since you don't seem to understand that mean's I will race anything or anyone for free. I will also race for money but I an not going to bet large amount's of money if I am not sure I will win . Maybe that is something you would do but most would not .

3. I believe he (Mike) has ran 8.85 with nos at a 60" race last year . I might be wrong it would not be the first time .

4. What is embarrassing to me ? Do you mean that a built 1397 motor with am arm and spray run's high 8's low 9's . Maybe that is embarrassing . Let's see a stock motor and wheelbase one lowered with a pipe and filter & airbox mod can run 9.40's and 50's at 144 to 145 mph. Just think if you ad Nutec and a dryshot to the stock one . Should be pretty close. Don't take that the wrong way your bike runs good but I just expected those mods might run better then that . I don't have a built motor in my busa so I can't compair .

5. 8.89 with a 1.54 60 foot time is not hard to do.

My bike is 63 inches long.
I have a single stage lockup . No multi stage here . They don't even make them for my bike. Yep mine is a street bike . That is why I rode it over 250 miles on the street after Prostar . Did not see you out at all.

Should be a good summer for all of us .
Title: 1397 Head, To port or not to port?
Post by: Pat Dietrich on November 17, 2004, 11:00:57 AM
1 blah, blah, blah

3- Mike qualified last year with a 9.2 at a 60in race, thats the only race I seen that he did, anyway.

4- go ahead and lower your busa do those mods, and I'll run you for 1000.00. Talk is cheap, anyone can do it. You are proving it here!

As for the rest, more blahs! :wink: See you in the spring. I'm done with this BS. :roll:
Title: 1397 Head, To port or not to port?
Post by: bhartley on November 17, 2004, 11:09:34 AM
4- go ahead and lower your busa do those mods, and I'll run you for 1000.00. Talk is cheap, anyone can do it. You are proving it here!


What happened to running the R1 we can do that for a grand .
We can go Sunday to 41.

Oh wait I bet you have to go to church :oops:
Title: 1397 Head, To port or not to port?
Post by: Mike Barger on November 17, 2004, 12:27:27 PM
The best I qualified at Rockingham is a 9.11 @ 156 last November.  My nitrous was acting up and spraying off and on (causing me to wheelie all the way down the track).  I had a pretty good show from my shower of sparks at about the 1/8th.  I have been in the 8s spraying.  My bike was only 58" long too!!!!  Now it's a true 60" long.  I want to open her up and get a good clean run with nitrous now that I got my lock-up worked out and am now getting some 1.4 60'.  It MIGHT run quicker than a 9.7.... :lol:
Title: 1397 Head, To port or not to port?
Post by: Pat Dietrich on November 17, 2004, 12:39:38 PM
Good luck to you Mike, I believe you'll acheive your goals!



Bhartley- oh , believe me we will run. But the 1000 is on something that even Ryan couldn't do on a mutual friends bike( Jerry) . I think the best he could run with what you listed was 9.2s, so that would have been a sure bet for me. Why put a bet on something that I have no idea about and you know everything about meaning my bike. I post everything and you post nothing. So you were just talking out of the behind end then I take it?  :roll:
Title: 1397 Head, To port or not to port?
Post by: bhartley on November 17, 2004, 12:45:51 PM
Quote from: Pat Dietrich
Good luck to you Mike, I believe you'll acheive your goals!



Bhartley- oh , believe me we will run. But the 1000 is on something that even Ryan couldn't do on a mutual friends bike( Jerry) . I think the best he could run with what you listed was 9.2s, so that would have been a sure bet for me. Why put a bet on something that I have no idea about and you know everything about meaning my bike. I post everything and you post nothing. So you were just talking out of the behind end then I take it?  :roll:


Sorry about that Pat . I was going from what my busa ran with pipe airbox and lowered . I said I did not have a busa setup with NOS  so I did not know how it would run . I just figured it would pick up more then 2 tenths with Nutec and a dryshot . My bad .
Title: 1397 Head, To port or not to port?
Post by: Mike Barger on November 17, 2004, 12:52:35 PM
Will the drama ever end?   :lol:

Saturday the high is only 62, 56 for Sunday.  It'll be a bit cold, but I'm in Hartley if you wanna go.  Like I said, I'll call you on Friday!  Pat, you in for a little racing this weekend?
Title: 1397 Head, To port or not to port?
Post by: Pat Dietrich on November 17, 2004, 05:21:03 PM
I have no idea where US41 even is. How far from here( FT.Wayne). And yes BHartley, I do go to church. You wouldn't believe where i was in my life 8 years ago and where i am today. I think thats the very least i can do. :wink: Thanks for asking.

Mike- about the drama, it really never had to come to this. Spaz is a non-believer in what i run without nitrous and I was just using you to throw it  in his face about getting stomped. It WAS all in good fun to start.  But I think we can let this die out now. I'm sure we'll all get together at some point and it'll be fun. So if you guys go have fun.
Title: 1397 Head, To port or not to port?
Post by: BELLMAN on November 18, 2004, 06:42:42 AM
If you want to go Sunday, pick me up after church and we'll head over.  Probably 2 1/2 hours for you.
Title: 1397 Head, To port or not to port?
Post by: bhartley on November 18, 2004, 07:46:02 AM
Pat

Sorry about the church post .
I went back and reread it and I was not trying to be an ass .
I have no problem with people going to church .

Sorry about that ..


Bill
Title: 1397 Head, To port or not to port?
Post by: Pat Dietrich on November 18, 2004, 08:10:28 AM
:wink:
Title: 1397 Head, To port or not to port?
Post by: flashracer on November 18, 2004, 06:56:24 PM
SPAZ. ON THE TIME SLIPS YOU POSTED IS THAT ONE OF YOUR 1397 PACKAGE DEALS. WHAT IS THE WEIGHT OF BIKE AND RIDER. THE MPH IS IMPRESSIVE. DID YOU HAVE A LIGHTWEIGHT DRIVER ON THE BIKE? I WEIGH 170 SUITED AND KNOW THAT IF I PUT A 135 POUND RIDER I WILL GET MORE MPH. I HERE PAT IS A LIGHTWEIGHT THAT WOULD GIVE HIM A MPH ADVANTAGE
Title: 1397 Head, To port or not to port?
Post by: Pat Dietrich on November 18, 2004, 08:01:08 PM
I weigh 200 (or close to it) dressed and bike and rider was 705 on those runs. Is that a lightweight in your opinion?? But on another day that was 94 degrees out, I was running 157s and Ryan Schnitz (on my bike) was running 161. Is that the mph advantage your talking about :?: And those slips with 8.8s of Spazs was with a jockey.  :wink:
Title: 1397 Head, To port or not to port?
Post by: Pat Dietrich on November 19, 2004, 10:49:53 AM
Quote from: STREET RACER
Pat don't be so sure about dat!!(http://www.psychobike.com/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/asthanos.gif)


If I wasn't I surely wouldn't have challenged you and let you use nitrous! :wink:



Cookie- totally agree!!!!! :thumb: