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GENERAL => BIKE TALK => Topic started by: THE ICE MAN on February 20, 2005, 01:16:29 PM
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I raced Phantom12 this weekend on my02 black LE Busa I just bought it a coulpe of weeks ago it still has (STOCK EXHAUST) and lowered 1.25 " front and rear.
Phantom has 178 H.P. and lowered,I am guessing mine has around 155 H.P.
There was an easy 15 + mph headwind
now after all the talk on how fast his zx12 was I decieded to bring him to school, I told him if he cant beat a stock busa with only 155 H.P. he is not going to look very good in front of the crowd and his boy,so off to the starting line, when we got there he he was a bit nervous and jumped me BIG TIME and caught himself and turned around for a restart, well out of the hole I was gone and pulled a lead to 3.5-4 bike lenghts for a win.
With the 15+mph head wind my runs were 179.5 181.3-182.1mph then i also took down 2 piped busas , next time without the headwind I am throwing a TRE on and am expecting 186- 187MPH with my stocker.
Phantom had a good run with the other busa hes been trying to beat for weeks the busa out tourqes him through the gears by 3 bikes and then they lock up top, the busa does not pull anymore and the zx12 cannot real him in.
Sorry Phantom I had to post this for the busa boy's.
Next time dont forget to tell everyone you got beat by a stock busa :lol: [/b]
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That should bust his bubble. I'm sure he'll have a different story to tell though. Way to represent.
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I wonder if he'll acknowledge the defeat, or just make excuses. Either way. :thumb:
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I'm too busy laughing to reply. :lol:
Maybe later ..... when I stop laughing! (http://www.z06vette.com/fcalmes/rofl.gif)
:lmao:
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Kinda puts things into perspective....... :lol2: :lmao:
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way to go ICE... :D
I guess he has too turn in his logon name forever? :shock:
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good one :D and i will say hats off for racing mr 12 good sports :D
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TOP TEN EXCUSES FOR TODAYS RACE
10. Everyone knew the clutch was slipping.
9. All of the Busas had opened engines, every one of em...
8. Left the mirrors on the 12, that pulls it down 12-15 mph.
7. Project 320 bike was more neutered than others.
6. Beat? By a Busa, never happened...wasn't even there...honest....
5. Did I mention the clutch slipping??
4. Average Busa owners still just posers, 12's rule.
3. Help me out here Jamie, buddy...
2. Didn't really push it, could have destroyed the Busa, if he wanted to.
And the #1 excuse for losing to the bird of prey:
1. Maybe that thumb over the waterhose trick was wrong!
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Good Job, THE ICE MAN!!!
:lol: :wink: :P
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Iceman is the man. :thumb:
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Good one Hayazuki!!!
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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now that is funny after all that talking he did about how fast he is , he goes and looses to a stock busa .
this just put him past fk as the biggest idiot on this site :lol:
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:lol: :lol: :lol:
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ICE IS THE MAN!!!! Now that made my day!!!!! :lol2: :lol2: :lol2: :lol2:
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:drink:
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Maybe he should put his thumb over the ram air tube!
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If he posts that he did infact loose then I will I can respect that(without any excuses)
If he posts a different story I give up.
If he quits posting all together he's a tool.
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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lmao:
Way to go Ice Man... :beechug:
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That was a good race. I did lose by a good 3-4 bikes for sure. ICEMAN is a kick ass rider and is a good 50lb less weight than I am.
Im my defense.....I raced the piped Busa that had been tuned and set up for the 9/10ths' by ICEMAN himself...we consistantly ran the same MPH on GPS time and time again. Only difference was that we started at 4k rpm...the 12's fall on their face at 4k, the Busa's dont.
Again, my bike has NO real world tuning whatsoever...the piped busa DID....
ICEMAN beat that piped busa that I raced by the SAME distance that he beat me by...So it's obviously not my bike is slow or I'm a horrible rider...it's just that ICEMAN is the man. 10 years of 9/10th's experience, 50lbs less weight, and real world tuning will make the difference.
As for the tuned piped busa I ran....he jumped out in first gear...2nd-4th I reeled him in, 5th I started slowing down....6th we were locked. Again, there is NO real world tuning done to my bike..just an improvised dyno map.
If it makes any difference, that Busa is probably the best running piped Busa out there...hell ICEMAN was tinkering and testing and tuning with that piped Busa's power commander all morning...I didn't touch mine. I'm sure there was another couple mph in my bike if I just played with the mapping a little...I think it was ICEMAN himself that told me that both bikes were equal. I'm sure if we started from 6k...things would be a little different....but the Busa boys have to start down low at 4k...so that's what we did.
As for the airbox mod that you guys are so happy to bring up...I spoke with someone who's done a great deal of the actual real world testing with YOUR airbox mod vs the stock airbox. I won't disclose his results and start up another argument..... but I'll say this though....I had a smile on my face when he told me...and he actually EXPLAINED why the results were what they were. Made a LOT of sense....
I do credit ICEMAN with the win today, he ran faster and quicker on his STOCK Busa than everyone with their piped Busa's or 12R's. I'm fairly convinced ICEMAN is probably one of if not the best 9/10th's rider I've ever seen. He consistantly jumps on other people's bikes and runs 3-10mph faster than even the owner runs. He's a hell of a rider and a great tuner. I'm glad I had the opportunity to meet him.
Dunno if this make any difference...But later that day I ran a guy with a piped busa and beat him by 10-15 bike's....got it all on video too!! No nitrous...bottle was left at home. ICEMAN is witness to this.
oh, that busa made 170rwhp on the dyno with the remap.
There has only been a couple stock motor Busa's that have been able to beat me.... both were either ridden or tuned by ACE PERFORMANCE which is ICEMAN's tuning label. I've never been beaten in the 9/10th's by any stock motor Busa that wasn't tuned by ICEMAN. But even so...none have been able to out MPH me...and I have yet to do any real world tuning.
So in conclusion...yes, I got beat by a tuned stock busa with a superjockey ....Nobody was able to pull higher MPH than me on the same run as me... A real world tuned piped Busa got me by 2-3 bikes yet didn't pull a faster MPH than me.... And I decimated a piped, dynotuned Busa by 10+ bike lengths. BTW...the rider on that busa said he's never been beaten by a 12R...sounds like a lot of you guys. Rude awakening...
ICEMAN- Although you broke your word, I'll keep mine.
See you next time, thanks for the run. I had a good time.
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That was a good race. I did lose by a good 3-4 bikes for sure. ICEMAN is a kick ass rider and is a good 50lb less weight than I am.
Im my defense.....I raced the piped Busa that had been tuned and set up for the 9/10ths' by ICEMAN himself...we consistantly ran the same MPH on GPS time and time again. Only difference was that we started at 4k rpm...the 12's fall on their face at 4k, the Busa's dont.
Again, my bike has NO real world tuning whatsoever...the piped busa DID....
ICEMAN beat that piped busa that I raced by the SAME distance that he beat me by...So it's obviously not my bike is slow or I'm a horrible rider...it's just that ICEMAN is the man. 10 years of 9/10th's experience, 50lbs less weight, and real world tuning will make the difference.
As for the tuned piped busa I ran....he jumped out in first gear...2nd-4th I reeled him in, 5th I started slowing down....6th we were locked. Again, there is NO real world tuning done to my bike..just an improvised dyno map.
If it makes any difference, that Busa is probably the best running piped Busa out there...hell ICEMAN was tinkering and testing and tuning with that piped Busa's power commander all morning...I didn't touch mine. I'm sure there was another couple mph in my bike if I just played with the mapping a little...I think it was ICEMAN himself that told me that both bikes were equal. I'm sure if we started from 6k...things would be a little different....but the Busa boys have to start down low at 4k...so that's what we did.
As for the airbox mod that you guys are so happy to bring up...I spoke with someone who's done a great deal of the actual real world testing with YOUR airbox mod vs the stock airbox. I won't disclose his results and start up another argument..... but I'll say this though....I had a smile on my face when he told me...and he actually EXPLAINED why the results were what they were. Made a LOT of sense....
I do credit ICEMAN with the win today, he ran faster and quicker on his STOCK Busa than everyone with their piped Busa's or 12R's. I'm fairly convinced ICEMAN is probably one of if not the best 9/10th's rider I've ever seen. He consistantly jumps on other people's bikes and runs 3-10mph faster than even the owner runs. He's a hell of a rider and a great tuner. I'm glad I had the opportunity to meet him.
Dunno if this make any difference...But later that day I ran a guy with a piped busa and beat him by 10-15 bike's....got it all on video too!! No nitrous...bottle was left at home. ICEMAN is witness to this.
oh, that busa made 170rwhp on the dyno with the remap.
There has only been a couple stock motor Busa's that have been able to beat me.... both were either ridden or tuned by ACE PERFORMANCE which is ICEMAN's tuning label. I've never been beaten in the 9/10th's by any stock motor Busa that wasn't tuned by ICEMAN. But even so...none have been able to out MPH me...and I have yet to do any real world tuning.
So in conclusion...yes, I got beat by a tuned stock busa with a superjockey ....Nobody was able to pull higher MPH than me on the same run as me... A real world tuned piped Busa got me by 2-3 bikes yet didn't pull a faster MPH than me.... And I decimated a piped, dynotuned Busa by 10+ bike lengths. BTW...the rider on that busa said he's never been beaten by a 12R...sounds like a lot of you guys. Rude awakening...
ICEMAN- Although you broke your word, I'll keep mine.
See you next time, thanks for the run. I had a good time.
Boo hoo hoo.
Imagine that, a 12 got beat by a Busa. :P
Who'd thunk it? :shock:
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:roll: Oh my...
I raced Phantom12 this weekend on my02 black LE Busa I just bought it a coulpe of weeks ago it still has (STOCK EXHAUST) and lowered 1.25 " front and rear.
Phantom has 178 H.P. and lowered,I am guessing mine has around 155 H.P.
There was an easy 15 + mph headwind
now after all the talk on how fast his zx12 was I decieded to bring him to school, I told him if he cant beat a stock busa with only 155 H.P. he is not going to look very good in front of the crowd and his boy,so off to the starting line, when we got there he he was a bit nervous and jumped me BIG TIME and caught himself and turned around for a restart, well out of the hole I was gone and pulled a lead to 3.5-4 bike lenghts for a win.
With the 15+mph head wind my runs were 179.5 181.3-182.1mph then i also took down 2 piped busas , next time without the headwind I am throwing a TRE on and am expecting 186- 187MPH with my stocker.
Phantom had a good run with the other busa hes been trying to beat for weeks the busa out tourqes him through the gears by 3 bikes and then they lock up top, the busa does not pull anymore and the zx12 cannot real him in.
Sorry Phantom I had to post this for the busa boy's.
Next time dont forget to tell everyone you got beat by a stock busa :lol: [/b]
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Did I mention I got that last run on VIDEO!?!
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:roll: So there it is, more excuses. :roll: :lol:
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Guys, in all honesty....my piped 12R ran the same MPH as the best piped busa...it was just a matter of who got to the line first...in which case wasn't me. Doesn't say anything about the bike...just the rider. Also, the runs were done from 4k roll-ons.....Busa clearly has the advantage from the get-go. Next time I'll do a 6k roll-on with the same piped Busa and see what happens when my 12R doesn't fall on it's face off the line.
Again, let me remind you that with no real world tuning...I was able to match the tuned piped busa's MPH every single time. I wonder what would happen if I actually tune the bike properly?
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I have to give you credit for honing up to the race and the defeat. Glad you guys had a good time racing.
That was a good race. I did lose by a good 3-4 bikes for sure. ICEMAN is a kick ass rider and is a good 50lb less weight than I am.
Im my defense.....I raced the piped Busa that had been tuned and set up for the 9/10ths' by ICEMAN himself...we consistantly ran the same MPH on GPS time and time again. Only difference was that we started at 4k rpm...the 12's fall on their face at 4k, the Busa's dont.
Again, my bike has NO real world tuning whatsoever...the piped busa DID....
ICEMAN beat that piped busa that I raced by the SAME distance that he beat me by...So it's obviously not my bike is slow or I'm a horrible rider...it's just that ICEMAN is the man. 10 years of 9/10th's experience, 50lbs less weight, and real world tuning will make the difference.
As for the tuned piped busa I ran....he jumped out in first gear...2nd-4th I reeled him in, 5th I started slowing down....6th we were locked. Again, there is NO real world tuning done to my bike..just an improvised dyno map.
If it makes any difference, that Busa is probably the best running piped Busa out there...hell ICEMAN was tinkering and testing and tuning with that piped Busa's power commander all morning...I didn't touch mine. I'm sure there was another couple mph in my bike if I just played with the mapping a little...I think it was ICEMAN himself that told me that both bikes were equal. I'm sure if we started from 6k...things would be a little different....but the Busa boys have to start down low at 4k...so that's what we did.
As for the airbox mod that you guys are so happy to bring up...I spoke with someone who's done a great deal of the actual real world testing with YOUR airbox mod vs the stock airbox. I won't disclose his results and start up another argument..... but I'll say this though....I had a smile on my face when he told me...and he actually EXPLAINED why the results were what they were. Made a LOT of sense....
I do credit ICEMAN with the win today, he ran faster and quicker on his STOCK Busa than everyone with their piped Busa's or 12R's. I'm fairly convinced ICEMAN is probably one of if not the best 9/10th's rider I've ever seen. He consistantly jumps on other people's bikes and runs 3-10mph faster than even the owner runs. He's a hell of a rider and a great tuner. I'm glad I had the opportunity to meet him.
Dunno if this make any difference...But later that day I ran a guy with a piped busa and beat him by 10-15 bike's....got it all on video too!! No nitrous...bottle was left at home. ICEMAN is witness to this.
oh, that busa made 170rwhp on the dyno with the remap.
There has only been a couple stock motor Busa's that have been able to beat me.... both were either ridden or tuned by ACE PERFORMANCE which is ICEMAN's tuning label. I've never been beaten in the 9/10th's by any stock motor Busa that wasn't tuned by ICEMAN. But even so...none have been able to out MPH me...and I have yet to do any real world tuning.
So in conclusion...yes, I got beat by a tuned stock busa with a superjockey ....Nobody was able to pull higher MPH than me on the same run as me... A real world tuned piped Busa got me by 2-3 bikes yet didn't pull a faster MPH than me.... And I decimated a piped, dynotuned Busa by 10+ bike lengths. BTW...the rider on that busa said he's never been beaten by a 12R...sounds like a lot of you guys. Rude awakening...
ICEMAN- Although you broke your word, I'll keep mine.
See you next time, thanks for the run. I had a good time.
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not excuses, 02SE....just telling the whole story.
I admitted that I lost, and simply explained why. I'm not saying, "Shoulda, Woulda, Coulda".... that's making excuses. I know why I lost against ICEMAN and his stock Busa...and I know why I lost to Miguel and his piped Busa...it had nothing to do with the bike, just the tuning and the rider. I think even ICEMAN will admit to that!
I, Phantom, was beaten....not my bike. The bike did it's job and pulled the same MPH as everyone else did...it was my riding that lost the races...the 12R held up it's end...even with no real tuning.
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P.S.- I was at least man enough to leave the bottle at home.... I bet half you guys think I was spraying and still lost. Not the case.
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P.S.S- I wish some of you other guys would man up and back up your talk....
Oilheadron...I'm waiting.
STUFFEN77....I'm waiting.
GND111.....I'm waiting.
POWERSTROKE......I'm waiting.
Hell, I challenge anyone to go faster than 193mph in the 9/10ths with an untouched motor from a 4k roll. Most of you guys poking fun at my defeat today have never even done a 9/10ths run or even been on the bad side of 180mph on GPS.
It's always easy to talk shit from the sidelines....let's see if you can do better.
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not excuses, 02SE....just telling the whole story.
I admitted that I lost, and simply explained why. I'm not saying, "Shoulda, Woulda, Coulda".... that's making excuses.
Sure you are. Why is it that you killed a stock 'Busa, but your bike didn't get beat by the other 2 'Busas, the riders beat you?? Sounds like a lot of excuses to me. Weight, tuning, blah, blah, sand in my vagina, wah, etc.
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Who cares ??
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The bike wasn't what it is now...totally different machine.
I was running stock height and having wheelie problems..I'm 1.25 in lower (muzzy links) now and I've got straps.
I was running a crappy map, It's making 5+rwhp more at peak than it was back then.
I had slight clutch slippage out the hole...I've got 6x Race springs now.
I had clogged up K&N's....I have BMC Race filters now.
I had a leaky airbox...I've sealed every hole now.
I was running the 3 lb rear sprocket....now i'm running the paper light AFAM.
Hmmm....looks like from your post one and half weeks ago, you had everything in order and were ready to "spank" (in your words) any unopened motor Busa daring to come face you.
You're gonna have a feast eating all those words you spewed out across this 'poser' board. Now you're sure he didn't bring a 400hp turbo Busa, did he, cause it was sounding like that's all you really even half respected, but you weren't worried about even those, cause there just wasn't enough of 'em out there.
Got to learn to handle those pesky 155hp stockers first...
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02SE- What's the best YOUR bike has run in the 9/10ths...or even a Top speed run under 1.5 mi?
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Why are some people still ridiculing him? At least he raced and from what I've heard, the Iceman is an excellent jockey. That's probably why Phantom was somewhat nervous. Phantom lost to a Busa and admitted it. He beat a Busa and some of you can't comprehend it. :roll:
There are only 2 Hayabusa's in the city I live in (I'm the only one with a 12). I hope to run into 1 or both of them sometime this year and race for the fun of it. Whatever happens, you can bet I'll post it.
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P.S.- I was at least man enough to leave the bottle at home.... I bet half you guys think I was spraying and still lost. Not the case.
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YOU LOST! BE A MAN. ADMIT YOU'RE A BUSA BITCH. CONTINUE YOUR MISGUIDED WAY AND FOREVER STARE DEEPLY INTO A SUZUKI TAILLIGHT LOOOOSER!!!!
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Why are some people still ridiculing him? At least he raced and from what I've heard, the Iceman is an excellent jockey. That's probably why Phantom was somewhat nervous. Phantom lost to a Busa and admitted it. He beat a Busa and some of you can't comprehend it. :roll:
There are only 2 Hayabusa's in the city I live in (I'm the only one with a 12). I hope to run into 1 or both of them sometime this year and race for the fun of it. Whatever happens, you can bet I'll post it.
Are you gonna come on here prior to losing and claim how great your bike is also? If so prepare to be ridden like a lil pony bitch.
Few car guys came forward and wanted a chance to race. Many people treated them with the respect they where entitled too, earned and more than deserved no matter the outcome of those races. I think we need to start cloning guys like Manny!
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Phantom 12 wrote:
02SE- What's the best YOUR bike has run in the 9/10ths...or even a Top speed run under 1.5 mi?
I have nothing to prove to you. If I respected you, I might tell you.
Just go on making excuses. (http://forum.e46fanatics.com/images/smilies/violin.gif)
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Why are some people still ridiculing him?
Not because he didn't win. No shame there for sure.
Because of the all the attitude leading up to it. And he still can't admit his bike was beaten by a Busa. But later in the day it WAS his bike that beat a piped Busa. Not riders then, just motocycles. :roll:
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WayneE- The busa I killed wasn't STOCK...it had a full pipe, filters, and dyno remap. The piped busa that got me by a couple bikes ran THE SAME MPH as mine did that same run...he just got to the line quicker. The 12R didn't lose, I did.
Hayazuki- How do you explain how that tuned piped Busa lost by EXACTLY the same distance as I did to that 155rwhp STOCKER? Both bikes were tuned by the same man, ICEMAN. Did I mention that ICEMAN went 8-9mph FASTER on that piped Busa than the owner did on his BEST run of the day? ICEMAN could take a 155rwhp STOCK busa and spank just about anyone with a piped Busa/12r.....
There's no shame in my defeat to him when even the fastest piped busa there lost to that same STOCKER as well.
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Why are some people still ridiculing him?
Not because he didn't win. No shame there for sure.
Because of the all the attitude leading up to it. And he still can't admit his bike was beaten by a Busa. But later in the day it WAS his bike that beat a piped Busa. Not riders then, just motocycles. :roll:
Justice is an awesome thing. 8)
Being exposed is even better. :lol:
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WayneE- The busa I killed wasn't STOCK...it had a full pipe, filters, and dyno remap. The piped busa that got me by a couple bikes ran THE SAME MPH as mine did that same run...he just got to the line quicker. The 12R didn't lose, I did.
Hayazuki- How do you explain how that tuned piped Busa lost by EXACTLY the same distance as I did to that 155rwhp STOCKER? Both bikes were tuned by the same man, ICEMAN. Did I mention that ICEMAN went 8-9mph FASTER on that piped Busa than the owner did on his BEST run of the day? ICEMAN could take a 155rwhp STOCK busa and spank just about anyone with a piped Busa/12r.....
There's no shame in my defeat to him when even the fastest piped busa there lost to that same STOCKER as well.
excuses excuses. Quit being a bitch and man up.
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P.S.S- I wish some of you other guys would man up and back up your talk....
Oilheadron...I'm waiting.
STUFFEN77....I'm waiting.
GND111.....I'm waiting.
POWERSTROKE......I'm waiting.
Hell, I challenge anyone to go faster than 193mph in the 9/10ths with an untouched motor from a 4k roll. Most of you guys poking fun at my defeat today have never even done a 9/10ths run or even been on the bad side of 180mph on GPS.
It's always easy to talk shit from the sidelines....let's see if you can do better.
Dang, you are one Bad-Ass Muther!!! Hope we never meet on the Street,
I would hate to hafta come up against your bad-self ...............Oh well. You will figure a way for me to lose, of that I am sure.
You, Phantom12, just do not know when to quit. I guess I have to admire your tenacity, but I have no respect for your perception of reality.
Phuck you and yer 12. Take a hike. :twisted:
P.S. Yer breath stinks. Try a better mouthwash. :lol:
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Did I mention I got that last run on VIDEO!?!
post vid please. :yes:
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Suzuki4life- You are the prime example of what I dislike in so many Busa owners. I love how you can spew all that garbage in my direction yet not a word is said concerning it. If I said those things...I'd be banned for sure, I'd probably get some sort of computer virus sent to me as well!!
Hayazuki- I specifically said, "But later that day I ran a guy with a piped busa and beat him by 10-15 bike's". I think that "I" took credit for that win...none was given to the bike, nor was any mention of my bike made in that paragraph. SO what the hell are YOU talking about?
02SE- You won't tell me what you've ran because you either can't beat my MPH or simply haven't made such a run. Again, it's very easy to be a critic from the sidelines.
Todd- What the hell have YOU done in the 9/10th's or a Top speed run? Not a DAMN thing....so why don't you crawl back into your garage full of magazines and tend to your Busa Shrine? I CONSISTANTLY matched the MPH of the fastest piped busa out there...just wasn't able to get the better launch and drive out of 1st gear due to the low RPM's that we started at.....
He didn't murder me...I didn't get smoked, He didn't out MPH me, He didn't pull on me after 1st gear... On our best run, my front tire was no more than 5-6ft behind his rear with both of us pulling the same MPH on GPS...all that tells me is that he's launching better than me...not that his bike is faster or quicker. We've done 2nd gear roll-ons before and ran dead even with me slightly ahead..... but when starting from 4k in 1st...he def. out torques me...same way I outmuscle him in 2nd-5th.
Again, Todd.....show me something YOU'VE done...and then I'll concider you a real racer. Until then, you're a bench racer.
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Suzuki4life- You didn't answer my question......
btw... I think I've admitted losing about 10 times already. I just wrote why and how I lost, not as excuses but to explain what happened.
SuperDave- Again, I love how yet another member here can say, "Phuck you and your 12" and isn't told the slightest thing by admin. Man, if I even said a curse word I'd be banned without question...even if it wasn't directed towards someone!
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COLDSTONE1300- I'll post that vid as soon as I find the USB cable for it. I know I've got it somewhere. If in the event I can't find it..I'll go out and buy one tonight.
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The clueless kid wrote:
02SE- You won't tell me what you've ran because you either can't beat my MPH or simply haven't made such a run. Again, it's very easy to be a critic from the sidelines.
Assumption, is the mother of all fuckups.
Like I said, if I respected you, I might tell you.
You haven't earned respect, because all you do is whine. And apparently you're the only one that can't see it.
Just go on making excuses. (http://forum.e46fanatics.com/images/smilies/violin.gif)
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You're the one doing all the talking. Too bad you can't do the walking. :lol2:
You have officially been EXPOSED.
And I'm loving every bit of it. :lol:
Let's see you gab and blab your way out of this. That's what you're best at. :finger:
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Phantom 12, you are some major dullard.
Dig dig dig that hole son.......
Sometimes its good to back out the door queitly and go......
Trust me on that one. :wink:
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Hayazuki- I specifically said, "But later that day I ran a guy with a piped busa and beat him by 10-15 bike's". I think that "I" took credit for that win...none was given to the bike, nor was any mention of my bike made in that paragraph. SO what the hell are YOU talking about?
What?????????
You race him running in Reeboks or something. Stop the play on words, you sound ridiculous, like a child.
Here's what you said:
"And I decimated a piped, dynotuned Busa by 10+ bike lengths. BTW...the rider on that busa said he's never been beaten by a 12R...sounds like a lot of you guys. Rude awakening... "
I'm not shitting ya, you're starting to come across as childish with the semantics.
Look, you got beat today, your bike got beat today and you won a race at the end of the day. Your play on words is laughable.
And the only TWO reasons you're taking any shit from all the 'posers' here after the beating, is due to the shit you slung around here for weeks and the fact that you just still aren't facing reality even after losing at least two out three races to Busas.
Makes that 80 to 90% Busa kill rate go down, but hey, there's always tomorrow...
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Excuses? You're funny. Tell me how explaining why or how I lost is an excuse? I didn't say, "I would have won but..." or "I could have won if...." or anyting along those lines...
Plain and simple, I was outridden. Bike did just fine...the 12R ran identically as fast as the fastest piped Busa....I just didn't get to the finishline 1st..
I'm just curious to see how things end up if we start at a higher RPM so I'm not falling on my face. If I lose again and pull the same MPH as the Busa like I did all day today...then I know it's just my riding. If I win...then we know it's the RPM we start at that made the difference.
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P.S.S- I wish some of you other guys would man up and back up your talk....
Oilheadron...I'm waiting.
STUFFEN77....I'm waiting.
GND111.....I'm waiting.
POWERSTROKE......I'm waiting.
Hell, I challenge anyone to go faster than 193mph in the 9/10ths with an untouched motor from a 4k roll. Most of you guys poking fun at my defeat today have never even done a 9/10ths run or even been on the bad side of 180mph on GPS.
It's always easy to talk shit from the sidelines....let's see if you can do better.
you waiting for me!!!! I dont do roll ons, anyone can race then, I gave you a choice of two places in the other thread to race a quarter, if you dont do quarters say so, dont say your waiting for me. thanks, glad you at least signed back in after your defeat. that is the first step :lol:
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Suzuki4life- You are the prime example of what I dislike in so many Busa owners. I love how you can spew all that garbage in my direction yet not a word is said concerning it. If I said those things...I'd be banned for sure, I'd probably get some sort of computer virus sent to me as well!!
Hayazuki- I specifically said, "But later that day I ran a guy with a piped busa and beat him by 10-15 bike's". I think that "I" took credit for that win...none was given to the bike, nor was any mention of my bike made in that paragraph. SO what the hell are YOU talking about?
02SE- You won't tell me what you've ran because you either can't beat my MPH or simply haven't made such a run. Again, it's very easy to be a critic from the sidelines.
Todd- What the hell have YOU done in the 9/10th's or a Top speed run? Not a DAMN thing....so why don't you crawl back into your garage full of magazines and tend to your Busa Shrine? I CONSISTANTLY matched the MPH of the fastest piped busa out there...just wasn't able to get the better launch and drive out of 1st gear due to the low RPM's that we started at.....
He didn't murder me...I didn't get smoked, He didn't out MPH me, He didn't pull on me after 1st gear... On our best run, my front tire was no more than 5-6ft behind his rear with both of us pulling the same MPH on GPS...all that tells me is that he's launching better than me...not that his bike is faster or quicker. We've done 2nd gear roll-ons before and ran dead even with me slightly ahead..... but when starting from 4k in 1st...he def. out torques me...same way I outmuscle him in 2nd-5th.
Again, Todd.....show me something YOU'VE done...and then I'll concider
you a real racer. Until then, you're a bench racer.
Phantom wrote, I CONSISTANTLY matched the MPH of the fastest piped busa out there...
Phantom,I left about a 40' long black tire mark at the start and kept letting off the gas so it would hook up, then short shifted to 2nd was a bad run but i ran 189+mph into a 15 + mph headwind, that was the best run, usually I run 193.5 mph on that busa, I put a so so map in miguels bike, It still has a bit more left.
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Hayazuki- I did decimate that Piped Busa at the end of the day. It was ME that beat that bike. You claimed I gave the credit to MY bike on that win...that just isn't so.
As for my losing to 2 out of 3 Busa's today....that's a 66% Busa kill percentage..not 80-90%. Where'd you go to school?
Again, Let me remind you that the piped busa I lost to...was indeed tuned much better than mine ... and the race was done from a 4k roll where the Busa clearly has the advantage. Even so....the piped busa was NOT able to achieve more MPH than my 12r... As for the stock busa that beat me...well, that same stock busa put an equally bad spanking on the piped busa that ran dead on with me. So in reality, I don't put much value on that run....ICEMAN could have beaten ANYONE with that stocker today. It wasn't like I'm the only one that got his ass handed to him by a stock busa today. lol ALL THE PIPED BUSA'S DID TOO!!!
Also, keep in mind I was 1 ZX-12R and there were 4 different piped Hayabusas there. For my 1 ZX-12R to match toe to toe the fastest Piped busa's MPH every run....says a lot. Especially when that Busa was being tuned and tweeked after each run....while I didn't touch my map at all the entire day. So in total, there were Hayabusa's today..and not ONE of them was able to run faster than my 12R....just a notch quicker in 1st.
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On a good note, Phantom is an O.K. guy off the board,
when he runs someone he stays in the gas to the finish, not like some of the chumps that shut down as soon as they start to lose,
After the race he had a smile on his face and shook my hand and said good race. :wink:
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As for my losing to 2 out of 3 Busa's today....that's a 66% Busa kill percentage..not 80-90%. Where'd you go to school?
The 80 to 90% kill rate over Busas is what you've posted several times on this and other boards. My point is that a 33% kill rate on this day sort of lowers your average. Please take it into consideration when future posting your 'KILLS'.
And I never said that I ever went to school. Show me, just show me anything I've ever said about school. You can't...never said it ...
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btw... I think I've admitted losing about 10 times already. I just wrote why and how I lost, not as excuses but to explain what happened.
I wasn't going to say anything, but don't you realize that all these "explanations" only add fuel to the fire and make this story all the more entertaining to those of us who own superior bikes? It's not as though you guys were close? 3-4 bike lengths means that he soundly whooped you.
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ICEMAN- Yes you ran 189mph today on Miguels bike...but you never did a run on MY bike. You PERSONALLY said to me..and I quote, "I could get 189mph on your bike right now".
In all honesty, I'm not counting what YOU ran on other people's bike...because you never made a run on my bike to compare. The only comparison we have is when Miguel (who is the same size as me) rode his bike. And we consistantly ran identical MPH over both our runs. If you substitute me for YOU on my bike...you'd do the same 189mph on the 12R. You even said this YOURSELF.
You telling me now that you can't?
Yes, the best you ever ran on Miguel's bike was 193.5......well Allen pulled 193+mph on my bike this past friday...WITH THE MESSED UP MAP THAT I SHOWED YOU!!! Even you said that map was killing my MPH....
I think 4 times today, the words.. "These bikes are equal" came out of your mouth. Come on ICEMAN, I know you're among your Busa buddy's now...but don't be bias and neglect to mention all the facts.
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Allright Iceman,
Spill it....right now, no play on words, an honest answer...
Are those two bikes equal??
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I've been on this forum for a couple months now. Not once have I bragged about my bike or criticized Hayabusa's. I've always said I've respected them. I see you already have me losing before the race has ever been started. (156 lbs. fully dressed. Excellent reflexes. I think I have a good chance :wink: ) I don't brag about anything. I'm humble and I just take things in my life as they come, one day at a time. There, you see how nice I answered you? I could've stooped down to your level, but I try to act more mature than my 5 year old grandson.
Why are some people still ridiculing him? At least he raced and from what I've heard, the Iceman is an excellent jockey. That's probably why Phantom was somewhat nervous. Phantom lost to a Busa and admitted it. He beat a Busa and some of you can't comprehend it. :roll:
There are only 2 Hayabusa's in the city I live in (I'm the only one with a 12). I hope to run into 1 or both of them sometime this year and race for the fun of it. Whatever happens, you can bet I'll post it.
Are you gonna come on here prior to losing and claim how great your bike is also? If so prepare to be ridden like a lil pony bitch.
Few car guys came forward and wanted a chance to race. Many people treated them with the respect they where entitled too, earned and more than deserved no matter the outcome of those races. I think we need to start cloning guys like Manny!
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Nope never even thought you were spraying..... If I thought that you did spray then I would have said you got spanked bad, instead there is always next time.
P.S.- I was at least man enough to leave the bottle at home.... I bet half you guys think I was spraying and still lost. Not the case.
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O.K. here is what I said,
It should MPH somewhere around the same speed, i am not positive
and did not want to try because if they ran the same speed then I myself and the rest of the board would never have a minutes rest without
phantom busting balls.
I ALSO SAID IF THEY MPH THE SAME SPEED THE ZX12 WOULD STILL LOSE NO MATER WHAT BECAUSE THE BUSA WOULD OUT TOURQE THE 12
AND WIN EVERY TIME!
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Mokaw,
No Ph12 admits losing to Iceman and denies losing to the Busa. Period. He make its plain.
Now show me the post where someone here doesn't comprehend the last Busa losing the race.
What i admit not comprehending is how he can lose the race but not the 12. I'm still trying to picture this..
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ricerocketryder- IF you read what I wrote, you'd see that we had the same MPH. How is that whooping me? Also, it wasn't 3-4 bikes....that's how much ICEMAN beat me by....ICEMAN also beat that piped Busa by 3-4 bikes aswell... Hell, he spanked EVERYONE with that little stocker of his!!!
When I raced the piped busa...my front tire was maybe 1 bike behind his rear tire. So if you count from his front to my front tire...it's about 2 bike...yet both bikes were traveling at the SAME EXACT SPEED with neither pulling on the other. All that tells me is that one rider got a better launch....and being that the starts were done at a low 4k rpm....which bike do you think is going to launch better?
That's not a sound whooping...that's just a win.
Hayazuki- Yes, I usually have an 80-90% Busa Kill percentage....the only Busa's I've ever lost to ..EVER...were the ones tuned or ridden by ICEMAN. Of which...there are only 2. ICEMAN's stock busa...and Miguel's Piped Busa. Even so.... I was still able to run identically fast...just not as quick.
In all honesty, if the busa isn't tuned or ridden by ICEMAN, it hasn't beaten my 12R. The piped busa that I beat today was dynotuned and made 170rwhp...the rider was half my size...yet didn't stand a chance. (I'll post the vid as soon as possible). You can say the gearing was different...but I'm geared to do 194mph....stock gearing is 196 on a 12r.
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Boards have a way of making some look more Ego enhanced then they really are. I have met Phantom also, he was a nice guy to talk with. he enjoys talking bikes and running them. He did want me to turn my boost down to run, but I said I don't turn my boost down for anyone I just look for bigger pray. He does have a sence of humor.
On a good note, Phantom is an O.K. guy off the board,
when he runs someone he stays in the gas to the finish, not like some of the chumps that shut down as soon as they start to lose,
After the race he had a smile on his face and shook my hand and said good race. :wink:
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Phantom...........
When was that last time you saw "almost", "bad start", or any other modifier listed next to a "win-loss" column? You got beat bruh!! That's no detraction against you or your bike. It just wasn't your day today.
Of course, if you'd won under the same conditions, I doubt you'd be as generous with the explanations as you seem to be expecting Ice Man to be. True or false?
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ICEMAN- So what you're saying is that you know they'll run just about the same MPH...even without my bike having any real world tuning....but you wouldn't run my bike out of fear that my 12R would run faster?
I gave you my word that I would keep what goes on out there...between us that go out there. I gave you my word that I wouldn't say certain things on this (or any board) about what our discussion. I've kept my word even though you didn't when you told me that you wouldn't mention how you beat me on your stocker. (which is pretty damn impressive!! You beat EVERYONE with that stocker!)
Yet even as I see you didn't stay true to your word...I've kept mine. Come on ICEMAN, if anyone has proved their integrity...it's me. Make a run on my bike....the results stay between YOU and ME.
Now, I don't blame you for spilling the beans and talking about our race....I can see how tempting it would be. No harm done... =)
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Maybe you should have bought a bike that you could run yourself?! :lol2:
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Maybe you should have bought a bike that you could run yourself?! :lol2:
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Todd and I have never agreed on anything...................UNTIL TODAY!!!!
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You'll like this too:
"I would LOVE to race you in the 9/10th's!!!! That's what my bike is tuned and set up for....
You better be able to hit 195+mph in UNDER a mile if you're going to race me in the 9/10th's though....
When I raced you .... the bike was simply not what it is now.
I'd love to see how well any of you hold up in a 9/10ths race. You all better be hitting 200mph in under a mile if you want to "have your way with me".
I do however have quite a few runs down the 9/10th's and have done PLENTY of test and tune....
Last time I went out there...I personally hit the rev limiter in 6th gear (196mph) in the 8/10th's!!
- Phantom12 Posted: 10 Feb 2005 15:51
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Welll, urrrrr, ummmm, uggghhh.............
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Look what else I found:
As for the piped busa making 170+rwhp...that's fine. I could have my bike making 180+rwhp EASILY..but it's tuned for the real world, not for some fancy #'s on a dyno. - Phantom12 Posted: 10 Feb 2005 15:51
Words fail me at the moment. :lol:
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ricerocketryder- Yes, a loss is a loss just like a win is a win. I admitted defeat like a doezen times already. Is it so wrong to say why or how? It's not like I'm saying " woulda, coulda, shoulda "....just laying out the facts of the race. Just didn't want you all to think I got creamed and smoked horribly by every busa out there. In reality the piped vs piped race was VERY close ...and the MPH showed how equally fast both bikes are.
Todd- I do run my bike myself...I do this more often than not...and I do just fine. Why is it ok for the owner of that piped Busa to use ICEMAN as a jocket to hit that 189mph ....but it's not ok for me? Hypocrite.
As for your ridiculous CHILDISH picture posting...get a life and grow up. It's a sad day when a grown man behaves like a 14 year old.
Again, you fail to respond to my question...
WHAT THE HELL HAVE YOU DONE ON YOUR BIKE?!?! Sideline critic.....you guys are the worst kind of critics...
At least if you are a land speed racer who has some sort of accomplishments like breaking 200mph on GPS...I could take your opinions into concideration. But you have no such accomplishments on your bike. So why don't you keep the ridiculously immature pictures and your ignorant hypocritical comments to yourself?
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It's a good thing that wives/girlfriends don't have this search archive function. Men would be completely hosed.
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shades of john fukkin kerry...
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Todd, you're killing me. (http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/images/smilies/lmao.gif)
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Todd,
Remember the day we were getting back on the interstate and your big bore, piped and tuned Busa pulled me badly.... All this time I thought your bike was faster than mine....now I know, our bikes are equal....
it was you! Hell, my bike's never lost. I've lost a few, but not my trusty steed...
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LOSER12: I see no question directed at me. And I have never seen anyone banned for any comments towards me. EVER. Now quit being a pussy and admit you lost because you lost. No excuses. That is all anyone wants to hear and then MAYBE you might get some respect.
its not who ends the race first who truely wins. Only a true sportsman wins in ANY race, win or loss
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WHAT THE HELL HAVE YOU DONE ON YOUR BIKE?!?! Sideline critic.....you guys are the worst kind of critics...
You twit, you give us license to be sideline critics by standing on the field and arguing with us. If you'd have taken your lumps and remained quiet, this would all be over. Philly hasn't asked New England to come out and explain how close the game was. De la Hoya hasn't asked Hopkins to talk about how close the fight would be if only he hadn't gotten knocked out.
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How the hell have you been, Paul?!
As you can see, my transfer went through to Houston. :cry:
Not so many good places to open it up here. :x
See - you don't need any more mods - I was just a "better rider" that day. :lol:
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Yes, my bike is tuned for the real world..but still done on a dyno. I have yet to tune the A/F ratio out in the field. The testing and tuning I've done is true. I've done a lot of gearing testing, map testing, suspension testing, etc...but in no way at the same level of tune that ICEMAN is able to get his bikes. If his bikes are 90% tuned...mine are about 75%. I'm playing catch-up with my tuning...ICEMAN has been tuning out there for the past 10 years! I can't expect to have my bike set up as well as he does his bikes...
As for me running 196+mph...that's true and more than possible....with the Nitrous.
On motor my best run to date has been 188mph...but my bike is running much better than that today than it was at the time of the 188mph run last friday. A 40 shot of Nitrous is usually good for 10mph in the 9/10th's.... So figure about 197-199 on a good day in the 9/10th's with my 230lb ass riding it. Throw ICEMAN on the bike with the nitrous and he'll do 205mph.
Today's runs were done into strong headwind and/or strong crosswind...so I wasn't able to duplicate the 188mph run. Although I did run 186mph against that last Busa...but it was with no wind.
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Todd,
I'm in the Caymans for another couple of days then off to Aruba and San Juan.
I saw you had moved, you need to email me phone number.
pdowney33@yahoo.com
Now back to the game....
So Todd,
You really just wasted the money on your motor because all bikes are equal, right???
There's no way then a Busa can outpower a 12 up to their top end, correct?? Even if it kills it with torque?
It's always the rider so PH12's ZX has never beaten a Busa. He has outridden the other riders though.
Okay, got it.
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Again, my bike has NO real world tuning whatsoever...
Okay, so which is it ? It does in one post and it doesn't in the next.
Quit mincing the words.
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Yes, my bike is tuned for the real world..
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There's enough material here for the next week. :lol:
"You can talk all you want about stock vs stock, but piped vs piped the 12R has been PROVEN to be the faster bike."
"The bike wasn't what it is now...totally different machine. "
"Telling me to go race equally modified Busa's to try and squeeze out of having to race me is pretty fucking lame and damn right embarrassing to the Busa camp. " - Phantom12 Posted: 10 Feb 2005
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Email sent, Paul. :thumb:
I never knew I was such a good rider until after I visited JohnnyCheese. :shock:
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hayazuki- Did both your bikes run the same MPH on GPS or did he just pull away from your ass? I say both bikes are equal (as did ICEMAN) because our MPH at the finishline were IDENTICAL ON EVERY RUN!! The only difference was who got there first..in which it was still close enough to take rider variable into concideration. If he beat me by 5-6 bikes...I'd say he spanked me...if he was pulling away from me...I'd say he spanked me. BUT HE DIDN'T DO EITHER! Nobody pulled away from me in 6th gear....the only time the Busa's were pulling was in 1st gear...after that It was ME that was pulling, it wasn't till up top that we both got locked and I stopped pulling.
Suzuki4life- how many times do you want me to repeat myself? I lost! I admit it!! Damn, do I have to call you personally and tell you on the phone? I simply told the story on what happend....that's all! I'm not making excuses...a loss is a loss is a loss....
As for the question I asked....let me repeat myself again for you...
What have YOU done on YOUR bike in the 9/10th's or in a top speed run? You don't have any room to speak if you can't beat my MPH.
Ricerocketryder- the reason I came on here and explained the whole story is because ICEMAN came on here posting how he beat me on a bone stock hayabusa...yet neglected to mention how he beat EVERYONE with it as well...including the fastest piped busa there..by the same distance as ICEMAN beat me.
Sorry if I don't feel like being portrayed as being so slow that anyone with a stock busa can smoke me. ICEMAN on a stock Busa is comparable to Rossi on a stock R1 racing Ben Spies on an AMA Superbike.
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ICEMAN- So what you're saying is that you know they'll run just about the same MPH...even without my bike having any real world tuning....but you wouldn't run my bike out of fear that my 12R would run faster?
I gave you my word that I would keep what goes on out there...between us that go out there. I gave you my word that I wouldn't say certain things on this (or any board) about what our discussion. I've kept my word even though you didn't when you told me that you wouldn't mention how you beat me on your stocker. (which is pretty damn impressive!! You beat EVERYONE with that stocker!)
Yet even as I see you didn't stay true to your word...I've kept mine. Come on ICEMAN, if anyone has proved their integrity...it's me. Make a run on my bike....the results stay between YOU and ME.
Now, I don't blame you for spilling the beans and talking about our race....I can see how tempting it would be. No harm done... =)
Phantom,
Miguel beat you by by 3 bikes ask anyone there.
As far as your zx12 I think it would run somewhere around the same speed, not faster, based on vinnies and a couple other zx12's 189-191mph And your zx12 has been on the dyno and is very close
If alan runs 193mph on your bike I can run him, he is 28 lb's lighter than myself.
a 150lb guy alan on a 178 HPzx12 run a 178lb guy on a 167 HP busa
All in good fun, PSSSS and I wont tell anyone. :wink:
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"It's all the rider with similar mods...not the bike." - Phantom12
Phantom's bike is really just STOCK!!! :shock:
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One of the races, Miguel got me by a few bikes...the other race it was a bike length closer.
So yes, one race it might have been 3 bikes....on the other it was 2 bikes. Either way, both bikes had the same MPH!!!
As for my bike running faster than Miguels, I don't think it will run faster either...more than likely they'll run equal...much like you said. If my bike DOES run faster...it won't be by more than 1mph or so.
Also, I believe miguel's bike has 1 more mod than mine.....I won't mention what, Again, I'll keep my word and neglect to bring that issue up.
If you don't think my bike will run faster than Miguel's...why won't you run it? Your reason for not running it earlier was to make sure I didn't run around here posting about it (even after I gave my word I wouldn't). That must mean there's a VERY good chance that my bike WILL run faster than Miguel's Busa....even with that little extra mod he has over mine.
Come on ICEMAN....don't get proud on me, you're loyal to performance not brand right?
As for Allen being 28lb's lighter than you...we both know he's nowhere near the skill level as you. You've already proved you could take a STOCK busa and beat someone who's got 20rwhp more HP than you. You got 189mph on miguel's busa....Allen only got 185mph out of mine, you KNOW you can go faster than him regardless of his weight advantage. You even said it today.
Todd- Miguel's Busa has a mod over my bike that I haven't mentioned and promised I wouldn't mention. I guarantee without this mod, I would have out mph'd him and won. I think even ICEMAN will agree with me on this....
btw...my bike is running MUCH MUCH better. My very first 9/10th's run ever was 173mph....I'm running 15mph FASTER than I did when I first started setting up and tuning my bike for the 9/10th's. All without adding HP or going into the motor. Tuning makes all the difference...and there's nobody out there that's better at tuning than ICEMAN.
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So,
do you think that the bikes that The Ice Man kicked you ass on, had stock airboxes? :lol:
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"BTW...I don't need the nitrous to beat up on Hayabusa's.... Hell, I haven't met one hayabusa with equal mods that's been able to dust me. " - Phantom12 Posted: 07 Jan 2005
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SLEEPERBUSA....You really don't want me to answer that question and go into depth....
Trust me on this....drop the airbox issue......TRUST ME.
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"I don't mean to be an ass, but if there's one thing the 12r owns...it's the dyno." - Phantom 12 Posted: 10 Jan
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SLEEPERBUSA....You really don't want me to answer that question and go into depth....
Trust me on this....drop the airbox issue......TRUST ME.
If you actually have some info that might be helpful to Hayabusa owners for once, please do tell. Thats what this board is for...sharing info about Suzuki Hayabusas. Otherwise, I doubt anyone believes you. This is your chance to ad somthing productive to this board!
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Todd- I still haven't met one hayabusa with EQUAL mods that's been able to dust me. I wasn't "dusted" or "Smoked" or "Crushed" or "Stomped" today...I was beaten by a small amount of distance, in which the bike I was racing did NOT pull on me after 1st gear. In both instances ... both my 12 and his busa were LOCKED at the same MPH. No dusting had occured....just a win. In the case of the piped busa....it still wasn't equal mods. As I've stated, that busa had one mod I didn't...and it's a substantial mod that probably was the reason he was able to stay locked with me.
Also, I remind you...I've NEVER been beaten by a Busa that wasn't tuned or ridden by ICEMAN. I have yet to lose to an untocuhed motor Busa that doesn't fall under that description.
Todd- Again, I ask you to post some credentials....what is your personal best 9/10th's MPH or Top Speed?
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Why not have the Iceman tune your bike for you if that is what he does?
Question? What is "real world tuning" ?
Sounds like you guys had fun today!!!
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i know for an absolute fact and will vouch for him that he's run well over 80..so there.. now STFU
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SLEEPERBUSA....You really don't want me to answer that question and go into depth....
Trust me on this....drop the airbox issue......TRUST ME.
Don't believe so home boy!
Do YOU REALLY think that The Ice Man's airbox is STOCK?
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Powerstroke- It's not my place to provide that helpful information. If the person who discovered this information wanted it to be shared, he would have done it already..... Hell, I don't blame him. He did all the R&D for this mod and has proven through testing that it works. Besides, even if I or he did tell you....none of you would believe it until you did tried it and saw the results for yourself. I'll give you a hint....a lot of you hurt your performance thinking you had gained some because the dyno showed you pretty #'s.
As of right now there are only 3 Busa's that have this mod....all of which are running substantially faster than those without this mod. It's been tried, it's been tested, it's been proven to make you go faster! I don't know how to perform this mod...but I know what it pertains to.
P.S- It's one of your own.
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"when you guys are beaten, there's always some lame excuse as to why. - Phantom12 Posted: 07 Jan 2005
I'm just messin' with you, kid. Your mouth has written so many checks your bike can't cash - you'll be in debt till you're my age. :lol:
Live and learn.
Now you know why I don't go around crowing, beating my chest and issuing internet challenges. And don't expect me to start now for your benefit.
You're on your own ......
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So,
are you saying that The Ice Man's airbox isn't nodified,
or IS modified?
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Blur- I'm in the process of waiting for him to tune by bike....He's a very busy guy these days...gotta wait in line for him to work on your bike. I'm starting to think he might not tune my bike because it might be faster than Miguel's Busa. It's already ran as fast as one of the 12R's he's tuned...and that 12R had a light head cleanup and cam timing adjustment... Mine is still untouched and running the same MPH as that 12R. Maybe I got a strong one?
Yes, we did have a lot of fun today, we have a lot of fun often. You should come down and ride with us one time....You still owe me that rematch. =)
oh, real world tuning is basically tuning your A/F ratio via a realtime datalogger that sniffs your a/f ratio and logs it while your riding in real world conditions with ram air and exact load being factored in. A dyno can not simulate these variables 100%...so they are generally not as accurate or as good for tuning as a realtime datalogger. Also, real world tuning relates to gearing, suspension, streamlining, and tires. You can tune a bike that makes 170rwhp on a dyno but runs like shit in the real world...or you can tune a bike in the real world that runs great yet doesn't make impressive #'s on a dyno.
For example, the Piped Busa I raced today and crushed by 10+ bikes in the 9/10th's was dynotuned by Jason at RPM...same place you get your work done. That bike ran like SHIT in the real world...yet put up some pretty 170rwhp #'s on Jason's dyno. If that bike had real world tuning...it would probably only make 167rwhp or so...but would run MUCH faster on the road. Which would you rather have? A pretty paper or a faster bike?
You've got to get into contact with THEICEMAN, he's the guy you need to talk to.
Hayazuki- I've been over 80mph in a Geo Metro......doesn't mean it's fast.
SLEEPERBUSA- I know ICEMAN doesn't run a stock airbox.... I also know he's not running the same airbox as you are. 8)
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P.S- It's one of your own.
Cant be a mod of mine as I have never invented one. I did do what I called a medium box mod with a removeable Mustang filter but lots of bike with the large box mods have Mustang filters. I just figured a way to make it removable...which reminds I havnt cleaned in a looooong time. Now if your trying to give cryptic clues to a mod you swore secrecy to then you shouldnt have mentioned it in the first place should you? More likely a case of you playing the "I know better than you guys do'" philosophy we have come to expect from you.
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Powerstroke- I gave cryptic referances to it because you guys keep asking me questions relating to it. If the person wants to share this with you..he will. Drop it.
Besides, why the hell would I want to help out the people that like nothing more than to kick me when I'm down?
You all can go phuck yourselves. The funniest part of all this...is that it's one of your own that won't even share this with you. What does that say about his perception of you all?
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SLEEPERBUSA- I know ICEMAN doesn't run a stock airbox.... I also know he's not running the same airbox as you are. 8)
That's something that YOU don't know!
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Put it this way, he's not running the airbox mod you all rave about. End of discussion.
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You are gonna talk out your ass and then say end of discussion?
hahaha
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
It's MODDED! :wink:
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Phantom, NOW you know why I didn't waste my time coming down there to stomp YET ANOTHER ZX-12 set UP JUST LIKE ALL THE OTHER ONES I'VE STOMPED for the past several years.
Gotta give you credit though, you apparently DON'T have a big bore bike like I actually suspected all along. Your bike just simply wasn't anywhere near as strong as you thought it was. Pretty typical though. The majority of the guys I know who bought '12s just KNEW that they were getting the fastest motorcycle in the world, for whatever reasons.
THEY DIDN'T. PERIOD. END OF STORY.
Edit: Piped '12s simply destroy piped Busas. :roll: Jesus Fucking Christ. Maybe some of the other fanatic Kawa queers will finally understand what a crock of shit that is and always was.
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i dont have a perception of anyone, I just do my own research and testing.
Phantom has no idea what the air box mod is !
i just said i have my own mod.
Miguels bike I should say has a very minor mod as rolando tried to do
As far as my 2002 black that bike was lowered 1.25 " all original equipment.
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As a matter of fact I will pop the tank so phantom can check it out
all stock, even the gearing.
Phantom you have shorter gearing on your bike, thats an advantage over miguels bike :lol:
Who do I sound like?? :lol:
Talk to you later.
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Ice Mans Sig
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#1 Most experts aren't.
#2 Just because someone goes fast doesn't mean you should do whatever you think they did.
#3 TEST TEST TEST
Wise words to race and win by. :yes:
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Guys, in all honesty....my piped 12R ran the same MPH as the best piped busa...it was just a matter of who got to the line first...in which case wasn't me. Doesn't say anything about the bike...just the rider.
Plain and simple, I was outridden. Bike did just fine...the 12R ran identically as fast as the fastest piped Busa....I just didn't get to the finishline 1st..
Not really. You see, acceleration through the gears is also part of the PERFORMANCE of a machine! :yes: So even with the best rider, it might not ACCELERATE as fast up to top speed. The acceleration is part of the equation of getting from point A to point B. :P
You should have let THE ICEMAN jump on your 12 and race the other Busas ... that would have told you something.
Go get that bitch tuned and see if you do any better.
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TOP TEN EXCUSES FOR TODAYS RACE
10. Everyone knew the clutch was slipping.
9. All of the Busas had opened engines, every one of em...
8. Left the mirrors on the 12, that pulls it down 12-15 mph.
7. Project 320 bike was more neutered than others.
6. Beat? By a Busa, never happened...wasn't even there...honest....
5. Did I mention the clutch slipping??
4. Average Busa owners still just posers, 12's rule.
3. Help me out here Jamie, buddy...
2. Didn't really push it, could have destroyed the Busa, if he wanted to.
And the #1 excuse for losing to the bird of prey:
1. Maybe that thumb over the waterhose trick was wrong!
Number 1 is absolutely hilarious!
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Hey Phantom did you let Iceman ride your bike, since he's an awsome rider he could have proved that your bike will go faster than a busa with the same mods.
I give you credit for showing up and racing but all excuses are pitiful if your bike wasn't real world tunned that's your fault, and all the shit you talk about dyno numbers and you admit your bike is tunned for the dyno not the real world :duh:
And before you ask for my credentials I have never raced 9/10's or had a GPS on my bike but I have run 9.60/143 with my 260# ass :twisted:
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Busa@11K wrote:
Go get that bitch tuned and see if you do any better.
According to this, which he posted here recently, his bike was ready to take on all comers. :lol:
The bike wasn't what it is now...totally different machine.
I was running stock height and having wheelie problems..I'm 1.25 in lower (muzzy links) now and I've got straps.
I was running a crappy map, It's making 5+rwhp more at peak than it was back then.
I had slight clutch slippage out the hole...I've got 6x Race springs now.
I had clogged up K&N's....I have BMC Race filters now.
I had a leaky airbox...I've sealed every hole now.
I was running the 3 lb rear sprocket....now i'm running the paper light AFAM.
:oops: :lol:
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Yes, my bike is tuned for the real world..but still done on a dyno. I have yet to tune the A/F ratio out in the field. The testing and tuning I've done is true. I've done a lot of gearing testing, map testing, suspension testing, etc...but in no way at the same level of tune that ICEMAN is able to get his bikes. If his bikes are 90% tuned...mine are about 75%. I'm playing catch-up with my tuning...
I thought he ran you on a BONE STOCK Busa ... how do you tune a BONE STOCK bike when it doesn't have any mods? :duh: :roll:
I raced Phantom12 this weekend on my02 black LE Busa I just bought it a coulpe of weeks ago it still has (STOCK EXHAUST) and lowered 1.25 " front and rear.
Phantom has 178 H.P. and lowered,I am guessing mine has around 155 H.P.
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here is a brief summary of phanton12
first he comes to a busa board and spouts off over and over and over and over again how his tricked out 12 is a busa killer and is soooo damn fast
then he gets spanked by a stock busa
then afterwoods he cries with every excuse he can think of
if he wasnt such an annoying guy i would almost feel bad for him
so for anyone who dont have time to read the whole 3 pages of this nonsence ( most of it phantom12 whining and crying like a 2 yr old bratty girl) here are the facts
phantom and his bike suck from a dig
phantom and his bike suck in the 1/4 mile
phantom and his bike suck in the 9/10ths ( but he is in love with the 9/10ths and he is all set up for it :roll: )
phantom and his bike suck from a roll
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I just have to add this: PHANTOM12, I'd bet anything that Mamba on his '12 (from Hicksville somewhere in North Alabama, remember??), set up like it was when he and I ran, would SMOKE YOU AND YOUR "BIG-CITY??" '12 SILLY.
You're a very rude young man. LEARN SOME RESPECT FOR YOUR ELDERS AND THEIR WISDOM. And buy a Busa if it's important to you to have THE FASTEST MOTORCYCLE AVAILABLE. The salesman lied to you (they do that sometimes, especially the really sleazy ones who specialize in Kawas).
I wouldn't rub this in so much if you hadn't been such an incredibly rude upstart.
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Todd- I still haven't met one hayabusa with EQUAL mods that's been able to dust me.
:lmao:... ya, seems instead that a BONE STOCK Busa with LESS mods than yours will beat you.
As far as my 2002 black that bike was lowered 1.25 " all original equipment.
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Besides, why the hell would I want to help out the people that like nothing more than to kick me when I'm down?
You all can go phuck yourselves.
Take your marbles now.
buh-bye
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congrats and glad you guys had a good race. we all know the busa is slightly faster than the 12 w/ same rider already.
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Phantom has no idea what the air box mod is !
i just said i have my own mod.
He SEEMS to know................ :lol: :lol: :lol:
He also SEEMS to know that I don't have the same?
I also know that Sal told me EXACTLY what he does to his airbox, in person, on Hwy 27 a couple of years ago.
He also told me that the ONLY reason that he was telling me is because I was not from their area, and asked me to keep it a total secret(which I have).
But someone that doesn't even know me or my Busa is gonna tell me what I have......... :lol: :lol: :lol:
And you wonder why people treat you like a jerk?
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posted by phantom12
Hell, I haven't met one hayabusa with equal mods that's been able to dust me.
he didnt meet them because they pulled so far ahead of him that he never got to see them up close
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Phantom - you admitted defeat BUT made excuses - very weak, very weak...
I am ready - i will be back from deployment April 21st-24th. Alot of Jax people are waiting to slap you around...even the "girl" running 9.7's on a stock wheelbase - stock GEARED 12R...
And why - for the love of all things - could you not catch a bike with at least 15hp less than you? That really makes no sense in a run consisting of more the 1/4 mile.
And - he only went 179.whatever on that run.... A LONG way from your low 190's average...???...
I am going to embarass you - you will hope for just 4 lengths of a loss. You may actually have a higher MPH by the 9/10 mark but i will already be coasting down after the win.
I suspect alot of my friend will too. And don't give me that un-opened motor crap - stock is slow and i want to go fast.
I hopefully will be visiting later this year with my 1397 to enjoy it as well... :lol:
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Phantom what gears you running???? Pm me if you would... Just curious..
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I've been on this forum for a couple months now. Not once have I bragged about my bike or criticized Hayabusa's. I've always said I've respected them. I see you already have me losing before the race has ever been started. (156 lbs. fully dressed. Excellent reflexes. I think I have a good chance :wink: ) I don't brag about anything. I'm humble and I just take things in my life as they come, one day at a time. There, you see how nice I answered you? I could've stooped down to your level, but I try to act more mature than my 5 year old grandson.Why are some people still ridiculing him? At least he raced and from what I've heard, the Iceman is an excellent jockey. That's probably why Phantom was somewhat nervous. Phantom lost to a Busa and admitted it. He beat a Busa and some of you can't comprehend it. :roll:
There are only 2 Hayabusa's in the city I live in (I'm the only one with a 12). I hope to run into 1 or both of them sometime this year and race for the fun of it. Whatever happens, you can bet I'll post it.
Are you gonna come on here prior to losing and claim how great your bike is also? If so prepare to be ridden like a lil pony bitch.
Few car guys came forward and wanted a chance to race. Many people treated them with the respect they where entitled too, earned and more than deserved no matter the outcome of those races. I think we need to start cloning guys like Manny!
mokaw,
it's been like a great white feeding frenzy since this started. you've always been just as you stated above. :thumb: glad you're here!
phantom12's getting strafed because of his inflammatory postings for the last several weeks.
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Ice.. does Carlitta still run with you guys?
We have a fast girl in Jax thats been doing exceptionally well at the drags and her first street races. :wink:
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Hey, here's a thought..................
why don't all of you just shut the fuck up and go out and ride your bikes instead of your keyboards?
This argument is about 5 years old, and it's not getting any fresher.
I own a Busa, I owned a 12. I love both bikes.
I'd venture to say that everyone of you would be making every excuse in the book if you lost a race to ANYTHING, let alone a 12. At least Phantom showed up. How many of you (besides ICEMAN) would?
WristRocket had a Busa and now owns a 12. Sweet ass bike it is. When I had my '00 12 and he his '00 Busa, we were neck and neck. Now that the bikes have been reversed were still neck and neck.
Just shut up and ride!
P.S. It's the twisties, not the slabs, that seperate the men from the boys.
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Suzuki4life- how many times do you want me to repeat myself? I lost! I admit it!! Damn, do I have to call you personally and tell you on the phone? I simply told the story on what happend....that's all! I'm not making excuses...a loss is a loss is a loss....
As for the question I asked....let me repeat myself again for you...
What have YOU done on YOUR bike in the 9/10th's or in a top speed run? You don't have any room to speak if you can't beat my MPH.
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If we had 9/10ths up here to be able to run on it, I'd give you an honest answer. I've been clocked well over 190 and ticketed at nearly 170. I know where my throttle is.
You rode the bike, you're a team. You lost, it lost. It lost, you lost. You see a pattern? People are giving you shit because you seem to follow everything with an excuse.
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Nobody's fighting.
Just havin fun................pass the milk and cookies.
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Did Jeff Gordon win the Daytona 500 today or was it actually some other car further back in the field. I'll bet Gordon didnt turn the fastest lap or have the highest speed of the race. He just wasted his day crossing the finish line ahead of the other guys :lol: Its Florida guys, theres always a recount before the victor can be declared.
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Anyone want to borrow on of my famous chocolate chip cookie recipes? :D
No matter who wins what, they always taste real good in the BS circle. :lol:
No one ever asks! :?
All this fighting. :no: Let's eat! :yes:
Well don't hold out on us, post the recipe. :D
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Phantom I voted to have you kicked off this site, because you can be rude sometimes, but I have come to realize that this site would not be the same without you.
You are always trying to give advice and your opinion. So let me give you some advice.
You would have done better coming to the forum and saying I just got beat instead of trying to explain.
I would have given ICEMAN his props and dropped it. Undoubtly ICEMAN is a great rider/tuner, but everyone has a bad day and everyone can be beat.
I has be proven over and over that a BUSA will beat a 12 because of TORQUE.
I admire your passion for your 12, I don't know if I could consistently be on a 12 web site or any other bike site day end and day out defending HAYABUSA.
Not trying to be mean or funny, but do you have dreams of BUSAs sometimes. Because you have to love it or hate it, you are too obsessed with the BIKE?
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I guess the guy should actually be beating a "Kaw" ... :lol2:
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hey pole smoker, try reading all the threads and you will see I asked him to join me for some fun at two tracks 1/8 mile or 1/4 mile. obviously his bike is set up better for a florida mile and not the quarter, and I see no problem with that. the same thing goes for me, I would not run the 9/10 because i know I would run out way before the end. so keep your pole smoken ass out of it because you will never race any of us. Everyone already knows what your excuse would be " I live in the UK, I'm not going that far to race anyone" :(
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Fearsome- ICEMAN refused to run my bike....he later posted on this forum the reason was because he didn't want me running off at the mouth if he ran faster than the top piped busa there. Only thing that tells me is that he thought there was a VERY VERY good chance my bike was faster. Which it could be....I was matching the piped Busa's MPH every race...even with the 4k roll-on start!!
We ran from a 4k start because they'd have it no other way. Either way, from 2nd - 5th I was pulling and making up ground, it wasn't until 6th gear that we locked up. I am very curious to see what would happen from a 6k dig...I even mentioned it...but nobody wanted to do it. All I kept hearing was, "4,000".
Nothing wrong with that....next week I'll be doing nothing but 6k roll-ons.
Again, I didn't have ICEMAN tuning my bike after every run... I just ran the bike how I brought it. ICEMAN was tuning A/F and timing on that bike even before I showed up!
As for my gearing, I was geared for 194mph (Tested on the dyno drum). that's just 2mph short of stock...maybe 1/2 a tooth.
SLEEPERBUSA- I appologize, I didn't think you knew ICEMAN personally and had THAT airbox mod. ICEMAN told me everyone who has it...you were not mentioned.
XPIGRIDER- Yes, a busa will out torque a 12r from a 4k dig...DUH. We're going to do a 6k dig and see what happens when my bike isn't forced to fall on it's face.
GND111- Yes my bike has ran 193+mph in the 9/10th's...yesterday was in horrible conditions....10-15mph headwind/crosswind at all times...
I usually run 185-188mph with no wind as does Miguel with the piped Busa....yesterday neither of us could go more than 181. ICEMAN does 193mph on Miguels Busa...he got 189mph. Everyone was running slower...not just me.
So stock is slow and you want to go fast? Ok, I'll be spraying through the 9/10th's....let's see how fast you can go. I already know you'll beat me in the 1/4 mile...that's more your game, not mine. But if you wanna talk tough...I'll make sure that you're the one that's embarrassed when an iddy biddy 12r leaves you for dead on the long straight.
gotbus99- The Busa was NOT faster that the 12 yesterday with equal riders....they were actually dead even in MPH. Get your facts straight.
Busa@11k- As for a STOCK busa beating me....THAT STOCK BUSA BEAT EVERYONE ELSE TOO!!!! So don't make it seems like I'm just slow and I can't take any ol' stock busa. Nobody could yesterday.......not 170rwhp Busa's....not my 176rwhp ZX...nobody. ICEMAN is a machine....nuff said. As for how you tuned a STOCK busa....it had a power commander.
Oilheadron- Just because I lost to a piped busa by a couple bikes (yet still matched MPH)...doesn't mean you can do the same. That piped busa is probably the fastest unopened motored piped Busa's I've ever seen. It's not your run of the mill piped Busa pal, trust me...
I've raced plenty of piped Busa's with full remaps and dynotuning....none have been nearly as fast as this one. Hell, I raced a piped, filtered, remaped Busa later on that day and beat him by 10+ bikes... That Busa was making 170rwhp on what's known to be a pesimistic dyno around here! Yet I was able to pull VERY hard on him..and the rider was half my size.
So don't try and justify you cowardice by saying, "Look a piped busa beat you...so now I can beat you!". I might as well counter that by saying the Muzzy 12r ran 199mph at Maxton....so I can beat you!
How about this...do a 9/10th's run and see what your BEST mph is...then we can talk. Until then, keep hiding.
GM1300- Dude, you are one to talk...do you even own a Busa yet? Listen, from a 4k dig...ALL 12R's are not going to be able to match a similarly tuned Busa...different powerbands! Just like ALL busa's are not going to be able to match a similarly tuned ZX at 11k!!!
I'm not the best rider in the world, but far from the worst...
As for me sucking in the 1/4 mile...dude, 10.2 into a headwind isn't THAT bad for a stock wheelbase stock gearing 12r with a 230lb (naked) rider with a total of 8 passes under his belt!
I suck in the 9/10th's? Dude, nobody I raced could beat my MPH on any particular run.....I was running equally as fast as anyone out there (with exception of ICEMAN)
So you can take your, "Phantom and his bike SUCK..." comments and shove them up your ass....you have yet to do any of this shit. Keep your mouth shut poser.
02SE- I am ready to take all comers....Other than ICEMAN....there was only 1 tuned Busa that was able to beat me...and he just beat me to the finish..he didn't run faster than me!
It's funny how it only takes 1 busa out of all the Busa's that where there (other than ICEMAN's uncanny stocker) to beat me...yet nobody wants to acknowledge that fact that out of all the Busa's I've raced out there....there's only been 1 that's been able to beat me without my Nitrous. Remember, I was just ONE ZX12R....the rest were all BUSA's!! Chances are there's going to be one comparitively modded busa that's able to run quicker.... Get a clue. Besides, even being outnumbered....nobody could jump on THEIR bike and run faster than me...just match me.
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Phantom,
You've been rumbled.
Why did you accept a low speed roll on? Do you think they would have pitched the start to suit your top end power?
From 2nd to 5th you say there was nothing in it? What gearing were you running? 3rd, 4th and 5th you should be pulling hard on a piped Busa.
In 9/10th with less than perfect conditions you should be no more than stock gearing with your weight. From a hard launch this is 12R territory. Yet you let them con you into a 40mph roll on where they know your hp advantage would have been killed as you simply couldn't use the horses til too late in the race particularily if you were running taller gearing.
If they left you at the start and yet you were matching their mph then you actually had the faster bike. A launch where you could have used your horses would have seen you piss all over them if you were still matching their mph at the far end.
ICEMAN will probably always beat you,. He sounds like a good rider. Next time, if there is one, get him to ride your bike. That way you will find out what you can aim for.
When the fast guys jump on like modded 12s EVERY one of them in my experience has went faster on the 12. Tends to shut them up pretty quick.
Good on you for having a go. But you were rumbled. The shorter races are where the 12s are usually dominant due to their hp and ram air advantage. Don't let them bullshit you with low speed roll ons. Got to keep the revs up man.
As for Todd, he is just a fraud. Every challenge put to him he has run away from. Even his so-called 9 ticket he wouldn't show us any of the details as no doubt it was someone elses. He is a magazine racer and clearly insecure in some way.
Get them on a rematch under your terms.
FK
Fearsome you asshole!
Seems to me that a low speed roll on would be a clear advantage for a POS 12 since the Busa has more low end torque.
A Busa would out torque your ass from a standing start.
At least in a roll on you could keep the rev's up on your 12.
Enlighten me on how a rolling start would be an advantage for the 12.
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just one more stupid remark from an idiot
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you got us there,
mammes nipple some more you faggot's fanny fart
:lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao:
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You can tune a bike that makes 170rwhp on a dyno but runs like shit in the real world...or you can tune a bike in the real world that runs great yet doesn't make impressive #'s on a dyno
Which is yours??? In the REAL world you just got stomped by a stock Busa!!! :finger:
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I voted to keep his monkey ass....Dennis can I change my vote??? He's just getting fucking annoying now!!
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I would rather keep phantom12 and get rid of queersom, just for starting shit all the time and that sig he has :evil:
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Phantom,
I was not tunning after every run with a/f & timming????
I had rolado make 3 runs and i pressed his pc3 up or down to make sure it was were it was suppose to be, miguel was playing with it and asked if it was at the right settings, I told him I cannot remember were everyones settings are, I will play with the buttons real quick.
Also he does not have my custom map in it like i told you he paid for a quick map, but maybe i will spend another 30 minutes on his for free so you cannot say you MPH the same as him. :lol:
As far as my stocker I put a pc3 in their just before I left for the races and it is a zero map when I got thier I ran 0 bar's no #'s in zero map it ran 181mphand 182.1 then i tried 1 bar on high it ran 180mph when i raced you i went down on the high button -1 bar and I only ran 179.5mph
so the next time I will not have it on the bike because the busa with stock exhaust did not want fuel or any taken away on high rpm's.
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another good one
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: 'im a dummy before he blows a shit out of his diaper
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All this parsing of the racing conditions and setup is ridiculous, and could be done at home on line (phantom is good at that). Racing includes bringing to the table the full package of bike, rider, tuning, etc., and yours was consistently beat by the man. We already know there are reasons for it (we suspect the 12r is inferior:lol: ), so why not just say ‘I lost’ and end it? :roll:
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As far as the start its bad enough that we start at 4,000 rpm
it used to be a no more than 3,000 roll then 3,500 but the guys that cannot controll their bikes dont like starting that low.
This is the way its done now at the 9/10's and we are not going to raise it anymore, noone is going to change the rules and start at 6,000 rpm's I think you will be racing your self, you cant come to a race and say hey lets race my rules I know you guys have been doing this for YEARS but i want everything in my favor.
Phantom,
when i run the other guys we start 3,000 rpm's.
Yes i will run your bike.
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[/quote]'im a dummy before he blows a shit out of his diaper!
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phantom12 is so good at talking his way out of shit he almost had me going after reading his last post(list of excuses)
lets recap the facts
1 phantom ran his mouth for weeks about his 9/10ths "busa killer"
2 he shows up and looses to 2 out of 3 busa.all with less mods then him and not set up as well as his bike
3 he comes back to the forum and tries to justify his loss it with 500 word novels
HEY ICEMAN just curious did you see the run where phantom12 beat that last busa ?
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No she has not been around for a long while.
Ice.. does Carlitta still run with you guys?
We have a fast girl in Jax thats been doing exceptionally well at the drags and her first street races. :wink:
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Holly shi4T 6,000 rpms
1/2 way to the Mod limiter that is crazy.
As far as the start its bad enough that we start at 4,000 rpm
it used to be a no more than 3,000 roll then 3,500 but the guys that cannot controll their bikes dont like starting that low.
This is the way its done now at the 9/10's and we are not going to raise it anymore, noone is going to change the rules and start at 6,000 rpm's I think you will be racing your self, you cant come to a race and say hey lets race my rules I know you guys have been doing this for YEARS but i want everything in my favor.
Phantom,
when i run the other guys we start 3,000 rpm's.
Yes i will run your bike.
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Phantom 12, little guys are more aerodynamic and always quicker, starting at 4k rpms is and advantage for the busa. (more torque and 50 lb weight disadvantage for you spells trouble) start the race at 6k. Buy yourself some ceramic bearing and lightweight wheels. I was loosing too in a similiar situation except I was 80 lb's heavier than the other rider. ( my bike also makes about 30 hp more than his.) He would get the jump on me by 2-3 bikes and keep his advantage until we ran out of gear (172mph). Then i put an equal weight rider on my bike and crushhh no contest.
I bought lightweight wheels and ceramic bearing and raced that little fellow again. Initially he pulled by about a bike length and then i reeled him in and beat him by about 1 1/2 to 2 bikes. (until we geared out)
Big guys just need to spend alot more money, or just buy a turbo.
Turbos, the great equalizer!!
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A race, no matter what kind, has a starting line and a finish line. The bottom line is - whoever gets to the finish line first is the winner, even if the losing vehicle was pulling. That's beside the point because the race is already lost.
You guys don't know how lucky you are to have a place to race like you do. I'd love to have something like that around where I live. Be careful, stay safe, and STAY friends!
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SLEEPERBUSA- I appologize, I didn't think you knew ICEMAN personally and had THAT airbox mod. ICEMAN told me everyone who has it...you were not mentioned.
Phantom,
I knew that you prolly saw that I was from Texas and didn't think that I knew.
I'll be honest.
I don't use "that" box mod, but I KNOW that airbox mods DO work!!
That was my only argument. I know that they work because I have done back to back testing also.
I also know that The Ice Man knows his shit, and that you couldn't honestly tell me that HIS airbox wasn't stock. It may not be the traditional airbox mod, but it AIN'T stock.
It took me awhile, but I got my point across.
We cool.
Have a cookie.
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Phantom 12's and Fearsomes excuses:
We woulda won if the 12 was faster
We coulda won if that stock Busa wasn't so fast
We shoulda won, my bike is setup for the 9/10th's, in fact I had my bike running perfect, this is what I said recently here.
The bike wasn't what it is now...totally different machine.
I was running stock height and having wheelie problems..I'm 1.25 in lower (muzzy links) now and I've got straps.
I was running a crappy map, It's making 5+rwhp more at peak than it was back then.
I had slight clutch slippage out the hole...I've got 6x Race springs now.
I had clogged up K&N's....I have BMC Race filters now.
I had a leaky airbox...I've sealed every hole now.
I was running the 3 lb rear sprocket....now i'm running the paper light AFAM.
:lol2:
Woulda, Coulda, Shoulda.
Sure sounds like an apparently never ending list of excuses to me. (http://forum.e46fanatics.com/images/smilies/violin.gif)
How embarassing for both of you, neither of you can run your bikes well enough to back up all of your shit talking, so you run your mouths instead. :roll: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Busa@11k- As for a STOCK busa beating me....THAT STOCK BUSA BEAT EVERYONE ELSE TOO!!!! So don't make it seems like I'm just slow and I can't take any ol' stock busa. Nobody could yesterday.......not 170rwhp Busa's....not my 176rwhp ZX...nobody. ICEMAN is a machine....nuff said. As for how you tuned a STOCK busa....it had a power commander.
How come that never was mentioned until now? ICE MAN said more than once that his Busa was stock, except for being lowered. A PC added with tuning is not stock IMO. Maybe he had other unseen mods too ... who knows what games racers really play?! :P
But, as I have said many times in these Busa vs. ZX discussions ... it just goes to show that it will usually come down to the rider ... hence hair splitting on the performance between these machines.
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I find your tone offensive and unwelcome.
FK
:lol2: :lmao: :lol2: ... that's the funniest thing I've every heard Fookin' Klown say!!! :P
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Rodomonte- The rolls were done at 4k....at 4k a Piped busa is making a lot more torque than the 12R at 4k...not only that...but the Busa is geared shorter in 1st gear to begin with.... From a low speed 4k rpm roll, the Busa has a CLEAR advantage over the 12R that doesn't start to make power till at least 6k.
Same way the 12R would have the advantage if it was an 8k rpm roll on....The 12R would muscle it's way ahead for sure. I've actually done a higher RPM roll on with the Piped busa I raced...I jumped ahead and held the lead up to 5th gear when he let off.
I'm not suprised the Busa jumped out ahead in 1st gear every time....look at the RPM we were starting at! Didn't suprise me either when I reeled him in a bike length every gear till we locked up in 6th.
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ICEMAN- Man, I'm not asking for everyone to run at 6k, I'm just asking for 1 race with a 6k start to see if the story changes.
OF COURSE NOBODY WANTS TO RACE AT 6K!!!! EVERYONE HAS A BUSA!!!
Why would everyone want to lose their advantage of low end torque?
Again, You guys were playing with Miguels PC all day after almost every run....don't lie because you think you can get away with it on a Busa forum.... The second I got there I saw you playing with this timing adjuster and PC. Who knows how many runs you made with Rolando to tweek the bike. Most I did was throw it on the Dyno to get an A/F line and then I went home and put in some numbers.
As for you playing with your PC and losing MPH...can't that be attributed more to the wind and not the bike? I didn't change my riding, shiftpoints, map, etc...and I varied my MPH each run. Sometimes I caught a monster crosswind that blew me almost off the road....Sometimes I caught a headwind that felt like a brick wall after 170. Only way you're going to see a valid difference is when there is NO wind...then you know it's the bike pulling not the variance in conditions. Come on ICEMAN....this isn't news to you.
As for you running my bike, I'm not fully convinced you'd give it a 110% effort...Wouldn't want it to out MPH Miguel's bike...he might switch up for a 12R...or even worse....take his bike to Blais.
All I'm asking for is a fair shake...you are a cool guy in person, but everytime I go on these boards you turn into this different person and all you want to do is make me look bad. (after you gave me your word you wouldn't). What's the deal man? I thought we were cool?
You know very well that my bike is running DAMN GOOD for what it is and is every bit as fast as Miguel's bike...even without any of your tuning. If you want to base the comparison of my bike and Miguels by a race that's in Miguel's favor at 4k rpm...then by all means think what you want. All I know is that even at that disadvantage I still MPH'd equally as fast every time we ran....
Next time, I want a 6k race with Miguel....just one. I also want to see what YOU can pull on my bike in an honest 110% effort. If you go faster on my bike than Miguel's bike that day....I want you to post it on here yourself, that's the least you can do after breaking your word and making me look bad giving everyone the impression that I can't even beat a stock busa when in fact...nobody could beat YOU on the stock busa....not 1 one of those piped busa's could touch you and you beat them just as bad as you beat me.
I'm not asking for you to glorify my 12R the way you do the Busa, just asking for you to give credit where credit is due instead of always trying to make it look like the Busa's dominate me. We both know that isn't so, You've seen me beat Busa's before...hell, I got one on Video w/ a 170rwhp Busa. You know good and well that at 4k the Busa has the clear advantage from a dig...probably why Miguel wouldn't race me from a higher RPM dig....can't race unless it's on YOUR terms and YOUR advantage.
BUSA@11k- If ICEMAN says it's stock (other than the PC and height) I believe him. However he's been known to leave out details and won't mention them until you ask. Much like the way he left out that the Stock busa had a power commander. He said it had stock gearing...but I didn't count the teeth, I'll take his word for it. I know it it was ME, I would have went -1 up front and limit myself to 186mph which is around what the bike has the power to pull in the 9/10ths anyway.... But that's just me, he said he didn't. I know one thing though, I've never seen a stock geared stock piped Busa pull THAT hard...even with riders smaller than ICEMAN. Just for the record, I'm not accusing ICEMAN of lying...just saying I've raced stock geared stock piped Busa's with smaller riders and I had no problem pulling on them like a freight train....yet ICEMAN was able to hold me off through the gears.
9/10th's of a mile is an aweful short distance when geared to do 201 with 155+rwhp.... that being said, getting up to 182mph in that distance with a 10-15mph headwind is quite some feat for a 155rwhp bike geared for 201mph.
Of course it would be pointless to inspect the bike now, 15 min and it can be changed out for the 17 toofer.
Not making excuses...or accusations....just thinking out loud.
GM1300- Maybe my posts wouldn't need to be 500 words long if 50 people didn't attack me at the same time.
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but the Busa is geared shorter in 1st gear to begin with....
False. With stock gearing the B1-B3 model ZX-12s (like yours) are pulling slightly SHORTER overall gearing in EVERY GEAR, 1st through 6th. Only the A1-A2 model ZX-12s are pulling slightly higher in first gear, but they're also pulling shorter overall gearing in 2nd through 6th.
Do the math.
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Just one question . If you have a Kaw ZX-12 why are you always on the Busa forum ? You just gotta know you'll get no simpathy from this crowd . Glutton for punishment ? Masochist ? What is it that compells you to take this kind of abuse. Let me put this in prespective . If I had a modifed Kaw ZX-12 and I couldn't beat a stock mini-bike you wouldn't find me on the mini-bike forum picking fights and causing a ruckus . I''d go down to the nearest SUZUKI dealer and get a really fast bike . I'd at least upgrade to a 2005 GSXR 1000
:lol: :lol: :lol: :duh: :duh: :moped:
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RON- What the hell are you talking about? Look at the official gear ratio's for the A1-A2 and the B1-B3....THEY ARE EXACTLY THE SAME!!!!
1st- 2.43
2nd- 1.82
3rd- 1.44
4th- 1.25
5th- 1.13
6th- 1.03
Primary ratio- 1.60
Final Gear ratio- 2.56
Overall Ratio (top gear) - 4.21
Same for every year the ZX12R was made...2000-2005
Where do you get your information from?
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You're absolutely right, but wrong yet again. I had info that the early '12s came with 45/18, but apparently they came with 46/18 also (probably one of the changes that Kawa made in desperation prior to initial release).
SO, that means that every ZX-12 ever made with stock sprockets is pulling SHORTER gearing in EVERY GEAR than every Busa ever built. Gearing advantage in rollons: ZX-12. Still not enough.
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Tinman- I've beaten PLENTY of stock Busa's....this one was different...+ it was ridden by a superjockey.
I come here because I'm constantly having to defend myself against the ignorant masses. That and the fact that I like to learn about my greatest competition.... "know the enemy" right? After all is said and done.... I learned a lot from this forum just cruising around.... I also learned that it takes the best running busa out of a bunch to match my MPH...and I don't even have the best running piped 12R...A friend of mine was making 183rwhp on his piped 12r.. unopened motor, he'd walk me all day everyday. But if you want to take the BEST example of a piped busa and run it against the ONLY example of the 12R...that's fine. Do what you gotta do to win right?
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Ron, 1st gear on a Busa is what? 80mph right?
1st gear on a 12R is 85mph.
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As for your roll-on theory...it all depends on what RPM you start at...
Low RPM- Busa advantage
Mid RPM- No advantage
High RPM- 12R advantage
Again, take the blinders off....
You don't see me comparing their speed assuming it's always at 10,000+rpm...
Get a clue.
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We're talking about gearing and the related advantage due to torque multiplication, not speeds in gears at redline.
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You're the one that said the Busa was geared shorter in first gear and therefore had an advantage. I just turned the tables around on you with the FACTS.
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P.S. NOW that we know you were apparently being upfront about the status of your bike (I was glad to see that, by the way), come on up and we'll start rollons at any rpm you like. I've done it all before.
You need to do what I said and ask Mamba what he thinks about your chances (be sure to tell him what happened this weekend). :P
Another P.S. Is it POSSIBLE, just maybe POSSIBLE, that I'M NOT the one that needs to get a clue. 8)
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This might be a stupid question...but doesn't the speeds at limiter go hand in hand with the gearing? You'd think that shorter gearing effects both the torque multiplication as well as the speed at limiter. No?
So by having higher speeds at limiter in 1st gear...you also have taller gearing. Taller gearing = less torque multiplication....correct?
Correct me if I'm wrong here Ron....but if what I'm saying is true...doesn't that mean the Busa has more torque multiplication in 1st gear than the 12R?
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NO. The '12 has more torque multiplication in EVERY gear with stock gearing on both bikes.
OF COURSE the gearing affects the top speed in each gear at the limiter. The '12 has a higher redline, that's why it has a slightly higher 1st gear top speed (roughly 85 vs. 83 I believe, going from memory only).
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This might be a stupid question...but doesn't the speeds at limiter go hand in hand with the gearing? You'd think that shorter gearing effects both the torque multiplication as well as the speed at limiter. No?
The rev-limiter is controlled by engine RPMs ... not gearing. Gearing of course dictates at what MPH the rev-limiter will limit the speed of the bike at. You can rev-limit in neutral too.
So, yes to your question above. With shorter gearing you will be going slower in MPH when the rev-limiter kicks in.
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The '12 has a higher redline
Good Ron. 8)
That's where he's getting lost. Comparing the two as if redline is the same ...
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I think he's beginning to come around just a little bit. We'll have him on a Bus within a year. :yes:
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these roll ons seem silly . someone will always be able to cry about the other bike having the advantage from that rpm .
why not start from a dead stop so there isnt any coulda, shoulda ,woulda bullshit .
how about a 1 mile race from a dig ?
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phantom 12 said
after breaking your word and making me look bad giving everyone the impression that I can't even beat a stock busa
giving everyone the impression ?
if you raced him and lost then i dont think it was an "impression"
it really happened
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If the guy would just admit he bought the wrong bike, his life would be so much simpler, ...and less wordy.
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Here's the breakdown on Busas geared 17/40, 17/41, and then 17/42 compared with stock ZX-12 gearing:
17/40: Busa is TALLER in EVERY GEAR. Less gearing advantage in other words.
17/41: Busa is shorter in 1st and 2nd, TALLER in 3rd through 6th.
17/42: Busa is shorter in 1st, 2nd, and 3rd, TALLER in 4th through 6th.
Just for grins, if you sum up all the individual overall ratios, a 17/41 Busa is geared TALLER than a stock ZX-12, while a 17/42 Busa is almost identical to the '12 (the Bus is a TINY bit shorter).
:shock: :shock:
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I'm proud of you Ron. You answered Phantom with a nice, calm answer without knocking him or his 12. Now, can we all be friends?
NO. The '12 has more torque multiplication in EVERY gear with stock gearing on both bikes.
OF COURSE the gearing affects the top speed in each gear at the limiter. The '12 has a higher redline, that's why it has a slightly higher 1st gear top speed (roughly 85 vs. 83 I believe, going from memory only).
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Something tells me you better break it down with stock 17/40 gearing too Ron, otherwise he's likely to get confused. :wink:
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i just think its funny how when he got beat buy a STOCK PIPED BUSA ... it was ridden by a "superjockey" ...
and i like this one " my bike is only tunned to about 75%" but its had my dyno tuning runs ....
or "at 6K the 12 would muscle around the BUSA " like the BUSA stops haveing power at 6K ...
and the all time favorite " in 6th gear i stopped reeling him in but we still ran the same MPH " yea, but did you pass him ,huh sherlock ????
DAMN !! some people can be givin all the correct clues but still remain CLUELESS !!!!!
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Mokaw wrote:
Now, can we all be friends?
Buddy, no one has a problem with 12's or their owners in general. It's just this one particular owner (well Fearsome, aka FK, aka Jamie Spiers too), that anyone has a problem with. A couple of my riding buddies own 12's, I used to own a 12. :wink:
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Exactly, I've also had a half-dozen or more good friends who rode '12s for a long time. Almost none of them do now for various reasons, but that's history.
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Busa@11k- As for a STOCK busa beating me....THAT STOCK BUSA BEAT EVERYONE ELSE TOO!!!! So don't make it seems like I'm just slow and I can't take any ol' stock busa. Nobody could yesterday.......not 170rwhp Busa's....not my 176rwhp ZX...nobody. ICEMAN is a machine....nuff said. As for how you tuned a STOCK busa....it had a power commander.
How come that never was mentioned until now? ICE MAN said more than once that his Busa was stock, except for being lowered. A PC added with tuning is not stock IMO. Maybe he had other unseen mods too ... who knows what games racers really play?! :P
But, as I have said many times in these Busa vs. ZX discussions ... it just goes to show that it will usually come down to the rider ... hence hair splitting on the performance between these machines.
Busa@11K,
the pc actually slowed me down1.5 mph, next time it will not be on the bike
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phantom12 is so good at talking his way out of shit he almost had me going after reading his last post(list of excuses)
lets recap the facts
1 phantom ran his mouth for weeks about his 9/10ths "busa killer"
2 he shows up and looses to 2 out of 3 busa.all with less mods then him and not set up as well as his bike
3 he comes back to the forum and tries to justify his loss it with 500 word novels
HEY ICEMAN just curious did you see the run where phantom12 beat that
last busa ?
No I was not there to witness the race.
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It's not a big big deal going 181-182 on a stocker with a head wind??
When rolando bought his 2003 bone stock with the exeption, it was lowered, with stock gearing, he hit the limiter crossing the 9/10's and I hit it shortly after 8/10's at 184 mph
If my bike had a 16 tooth up front my rev limiter would kick in at 172 mph
because of the early limiter.
My tach was in the area of 10,400 rpm's when I crossed the 9/10's at 182.1 and then again I could of put a tre on and brought it up to 184mph with a 16/ 40 gearing but I did not.
I do not know where you guys come up with 201mph for stock gearing they all hit at 196-197mph ??
I am going to need a TRE no matter what if I am going to see what the bike will run in 9/10's becuase with stock gearing they hit at 184 with early limiter and stock gearing
and I am guessing I will go around 186 mph with no PC
I just like to see what i can squeeze out of it, and in the mean time have fun win or lose with the guys.
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Sal,
You've been silent for a long time.(on here)
Hell of a comeback.
hehehehe
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Sal,
You've been silent for a long time.(on here)
Hell of a comeback.
hehehehe
I was busy working, I am having fun and laughing my butt off,
reading all the posts, and putting Phantom on the hot seat, he needs this after busting everyones chops around here.
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Phantom,
Almost forgot (no one) made a single run before you got there, ask Alan
the popo was there before we were, and that thing was not a timming piece, you need to get a lap top to adjust timming in the map.
I would like to go 1 up in the rear sproket for a 17/41 with a TRE and see what it will do?? 187mph??
Hmmmm Maybe a 7 bike spanking for you :lol: :D
If I cant come up with a tre I might run my red and gray busa this weekend??
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Busa@11K,
the pc actually slowed me down1.5 mph, next time it will not be on the bike
Ya, I saw that after I had wrote that. Just goes to show that Suzuki has tuned it in stock trim optimally from the factory.
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I do not know where you guys come up with 201mph for stock gearing they all hit at 196-197mph ??
The 201 is max theoretical assuming 17/40 gearing, OEM rear tire (77" rolling circumference) and a 10,800 rpm (actual, not indicted on the tach) rev-limiter.
If the real rev-limiter is 10,600 like the manual says (but dyno operators always see 10,800) then the max top speed (without any clutch or tire slippage of course) would be 197 mph.
Too many variables to know for sure.
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WayneE- The busa I killed wasn't STOCK...it had a full pipe, filters, and dyno remap. The piped busa that got me by a couple bikes ran THE SAME MPH as mine did that same run...he just got to the line quicker. The 12R didn't lose, I did.
Hayazuki- How do you explain how that tuned piped Busa lost by EXACTLY the same distance as I did to that 155rwhp STOCKER? Both bikes were tuned by the same man, ICEMAN. Did I mention that ICEMAN went 8-9mph FASTER on that piped Busa than the owner did on his BEST run of the day? ICEMAN could take a 155rwhp STOCK busa and spank just about anyone with a piped Busa/12r.
Heck there ya go,a novice racing an almost pro-rider.Thats like me tryin to race Chip Ellis or Ryan Shnitz,who do you think would win?? Maybe some day you can run me then youll get spanked by another 12!! :lol:
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ICEMAN- Man, I'm not asking for everyone to run at 6k, I'm just asking for 1 race with a 6k start to see if the story changes.
OF COURSE NOBODY WANTS TO RACE AT 6K!!!! EVERYONE HAS A BUSA!!!
Why would everyone want to lose their advantage of low end torque?
he thinks the busa only makes torque at the bottom, :duh: theres plenty at 6k, actually 6 is the sweet spot... :D
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Phantom...
You can start at whatever RPM you want but to say you will launch from 6K implies a roll on that you said you do not do.
So what will it be? My bike pull much better from 6K since it is already making 85lbsft of TQ at that rpm.
17/41 is what my gear will be after i have talked to some people that no your bike and have beaten you...
See you early May... 8)
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I'm over 100 ft lbs at 6000 - 85 lbs at 3500.
I love torque. 8)
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Some people that have beaten me? That amounts to 2 people.. ICEMAN and Miguel. Yes, 17/41 is pretty good gearing for the 9/10th's with your set-up...
Again, You've got cam work....I'll be using spray since you don't wanna race stock motors and you're 50lb lighter....
It's funny how you need to all gather up and give each other information on how to tune your bike to race me..... Didn't think you thought of me as such a large threat that you'd seek out help from those who've raced me and know my bike inside and out.
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Some people that have beaten me? That amounts to 2 people.. ICEMAN and Miguel. Yes, 17/41 is pretty good gearing for the 9/10th's with your set-up...
Again, You've got cam work....I'll be using spray since you don't wanna race stock motors and you're 50lb lighter....
It's funny how you need to all gather up and give each other information on how to tune your bike to race me..... Didn't think you thought of me as such a large threat that you'd seek out help from those who've raced me and know my bike inside and out.
Whatever... At least you admit to being scared of running a bike with equal HP and TQ as you. That's all i wanted to drag out of you. Even the odds the 12 owners run...hahaha
I guess i'll just be 17/40 and bring my 40 shot of NOS too. Except i will only use mine on the top sped run - you can use yours for the 1/4 and the top speed run.
PS - i'm not tuning anything - simply mapping on the dyno to get my a/f better so i quit blowing black smoke when i am railing on it...
Actually i haven't talked to Sal or Miguel - i don't know them. But i do know others near your part of FL that own Busa's and some are 12R riders as well - you are not a well liked person from what i gather...
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How fast does the FEARSOME 12 go in the flying mile? :lol:
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02SE- What's the best YOUR bike has run in the 9/10ths...or even a Top speed run under 1.5 mi?
i have ran a few 12s when i first got my busa and i was barely even challenged, so phantom 12 why dont you take your slower zx12 back to your own website,up to this point a zx12 aint got nothin for a busa ,maybe someday kawabunga will come out with an improvement that will make it a contender, but i dont think it will ever happen,you blew your chance to be a contender when you chose not to buy a busa :yes:
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gnd111 shat.....
"Whatever... At least you admit to being scared of running a bike with equal HP and TQ as you. That's all i wanted to drag out of you. Even the odds the 12 owners run...hahaha "
Listen you dipshit.
A 1270 12R is comparable with your bike. These make 200hp and would humiliate your bike. Last one I saw did 205.5mph all motor.
That would be more of an even fight.
Phantom, this guy sounds like a coward and he and his cronies will stitch you up before any race. Beware.
FK
A coward i am not. My cronies are much less inclined to violence than i, of that i can assure you. He should bewar though... My cronies ride a 1287 12R, a 2000 12R, a 2004 Busa, me and of course "a girl"....
And actually a 1270 would be a good race but since Pahntom and I do have EXACTLY the same HP and TQ it should be a good race. But since he has fallen to lowly 155HP Busa then he should beware....hahaha
Dipshit i may be - since i am replying to an understandably jealous british 12R owner...hahaha
My 2 intake cams even up the lift and breathing in the heads of the 2 bikes, but i still have 1000 rpm less and 1 full point compression less so in essence that negates the 100cc bore difference.
Sounds pretty even.... :oops:
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GND111- It's not equal now....
If I had a CBR1100XX and I told you I had a big bore kit, headwork, cams, stroker crank, etc.....to make a little more HP and more tq than you...and say, "Now we're equal"?
If you need cams to match my stock motor 12R..That's pathetic.
I made 177rwhp/98rwtq..... untouched 1198cc motor from the factory. You're saying that the Busa's motor is inferior and needs cams to match the 12R? Give me a break, if you wanna play that game, you might as well let me use a 1270 motor. I've got a friend with a 200rwhp 1270...all motor...how about I use his bike...since you seem to wanna race "equal" bikes.
You are such a coward, You need more HP and more TQ and 50lb less weight to say things are "equal". If you believed 1/2 of your "superiority" garbage, you wouldn't say you need cams to level the playing field. That's like me saying I need a stroker crank to match displacement..... You don't hear me saying that do you? Nope.
You wanna race for bragging rights in the 9/10th's...I'll throw a jockey on the bike...no nitrous. That's about even.
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these roll ons seem silly . someone will always be able to cry about the other bike having the advantage from that rpm .
why not start from a dead stop so there isnt any coulda, shoulda ,woulda bullshit .
how about a 1 mile race from a dig ?
Couldn't have said it better myself!
Ive always known a grudge match to be from a dead stop to a predetermined point.
If ya wanna put that POS 12 at 6k to lanch then do it!
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I am not saying any bike is inferior and i am not saying any bike is superior.
I AM saying that our bikes are equal HP/TQ and that i will beat you in the 1/4, from a 60 to 160 roll-on and from a dead stop 9/10ths.
Simple as that.
I will bring you my most recent dyno chart when i come to Gville so you can see it.
Bring your jockey so our weights are about even and then you can say it wasn't you i beat - just your bike... :oops:
PS - The jockey that i did race on a bike almost exactly the same as yours weighed 135lbs suited up. You can do the math...
It will still be fun regardless. Now please tell that cheeky no-load british bastard to shut up - he is more annoying than you...
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i only travel to England to fuck the women.... :twisted:
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i only travel to England to fuck the women.... :twisted:
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Thought i was talking to Fearsome when i was talking to Phantom. 12R guys are really starting sound alike in their futility...
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phantom12 said
It's funny how you need to all gather up and give each other information on how to tune your bike to race me..... Didn't think you thought of me as such a large threat that you'd seek out help from those who've raced me and know my bike inside and out.
give each other information ? i bet that conversation went somthing like this
guy #1 "hey im goanna race phantom12 how should i tune for the race ?"
guy #2"don't do anything !!! just bring your stock busa thats how i beat him "
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I for some reason always thought the 9/10's was from a dead stop...
Why not from dead stop????
Whats the speeds you all would hit from a dead stop??????
Just curious..
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Clutches... its more of a rolling 5mph start. All things equal.. the ZX gets pulled in the 1st 100ft...due to the lack of torque at the same speeds.
You could make up the distance... but its tough and it'd have to be a strong running ZX and the stars aligned properly...lol.
I for some reason always thought the 9/10's was from a dead stop...
Why not from dead stop????
Whats the speeds you all would hit from a dead stop??????
Just curious..
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gnd111- I'm so sick and tierd of your ranting...save the talk for G-ville and STFU!
God Damn, you sound so fucking childish dragging this on and on and on..... Claiming victory 2 months before the race..... You sound just like that guy I smoked in that video, he was talking the SAME trash before the race....
The same trash Oilheadron spouts off with.... the same trash a lot of you spew out. Shut your traps and let your bike do the talking!
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gnd111- I'm so sick and tierd of your ranting...save the talk for G-ville and STFU!
God Damn, you sound so fucking childish dragging this on and on and on..... Claiming victory 2 months before the race..... You sound just like that guy I smoked in that video, he was talking the SAME trash before the race....
The same trash Oilheadron spouts off with.... the same trash a lot of you spew out. Shut your traps and let your bike do the talking!
Sound like anyone YOU know????????
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guy #1 "hey im goanna race phantom12 how should i tune for the race ?"
guy #2"don't do anything !!! just bring your stock busa thats how i beat him "
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Hey, here's a thought..................
why don't all of you just shut the fuck up and go out and ride your bikes instead of your keyboards?
This argument is about 5 years old, and it's not getting any fresher.
I own a Busa, I owned a 12. I love both bikes.
I'd venture to say that everyone of you would be making every excuse in the book if you lost a race to ANYTHING, let alone a 12. At least Phantom showed up. How many of you (besides ICEMAN) would?
WristRocket had a Busa and now owns a 12. Sweet ass bike it is. When I had my '00 12 and he his '00 Busa, we were neck and neck. Now that the bikes have been reversed were still neck and neck.
Just shut up and ride!
P.S. It's the twisties, not the slabs, that seperate the men from the boys.
A-FUCKEN-MEN...Shut the fuck up already
At least he had the balls to race that fugger....fuck.
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gnd111- I'm so sick and tierd of your ranting...save the talk for G-ville and STFU!
God Damn, you sound so fucking childish dragging this on and on and on..... Claiming victory 2 months before the race..... You sound just like that guy I smoked in that video, he was talking the SAME trash before the race....
The same trash Oilheadron spouts off with.... the same trash a lot of you spew out. Shut your traps and let your bike do the talking!
:D Umm... I haven't talked any trash on this board in a year till you arrived. It's fun - deal with it and get over it. See you in Gville... And you sound like every other guy i've ever beaten ( and YES i have been beaten as well)... Point??? :roll:
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How fast does the FEARSOME 12 go in the flying mile? :lol:
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FK was this you getting ready for the mile?
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Dude!! How'd you get my picture!!!!??!?!??
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Way to go Sal. I got your message last night. I will give you a call and maybe 1 of these days i will drag my sorry ass out there. Still waiting on the knee to recover fully so it will be a few more weeks. Hearing all this racing really gets my blood going.
Phanton,
I don't know the whole story but everyones just busting your chops but you did show up and race and your right Sal will take most guys out. He's always on top of his game. He's just lucky that I retired. :lol:
Juice
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Dude!! How'd you get my picture!!!!??!?!??
I thought it was Fearsome?
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Juice- Well, at least someone knows what I was up against.... Everyone here just assumes ICEMAN is an average guy.
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so you are saying that you lost to the ice man cause he is better driver
originaly posted by the ice man
Phantom had a good run with the other busa hes been trying to beat for weeks the busa out tourqes him through the gears by 3 bikes and then they lock up top, the busa does not pull anymore and the zx12 cannot real him in.
so what is your excuse for this race ?
why did that busa with less mods than your precious 12 beat you?
let me guess .....was he a super jockey too?
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FK was this you getting ready for the mile?
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No wonder he runs 12 second quarters with a turbo. :lol:
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gm1300- Let me explain it to you in sideline critic terms...
Yes, I lost to 1 Piped Busa that day... We pulled the same MPH..he just got to the finishline quicker. That Busa didn't have LESS mods than mine... IT ACTUALLY HAD MORE MODS!!!!!! Get the facts straight.
As for ICEMAN saying that the busa out torques the 12r through the gears, that's bullshit. I was pulling on him from 2nd-5th everytime we raced... we did lock up in 6th. The Busa got the lead in 1st gear... which is mostly due to the low RPM dig where the Busa clearly out torques the 12R.
I asked to run from a DEAD STOP so that I could at least get my rev's up before we launched... but he said he wasn't "good from a stop" so he refused to race.
Don't worry, we'll race again very soon and we'll try a higher RPM roll-on start. If not, I'll just have to start practicing clutching the bike without pulling the wheel. When my 12R was up and running, not bogging down at 4k, it was pulling the Busa in every gear!
Seriously, I'm sick of talking to you GM1300, show me a GPS of you doing even 180mph and then you can chime in with some sort of credentials... for all I know.. You've never even ridden a Busa! Do you even own one?
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Gotta hand one thing to you, your persistent. In a self abusive sort of way. I don't think I would have stayed around a place were nobody likes me as long as you have.
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Gotta hand one thing to you, your persistent. In a self abusive sort of way. I don't think I would have stayed around a place were nobody likes me as long as you have.
Indication of a mental problem perhaps. :!:
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If he sticks around long enough he'll come around and switch over to the Busa...............................just like zx12richard......................
After a while I would think a guy would just get sick of hearing nothing at all about his motorcycle......................
You don't see any Viper, Vette, Supra challenges going on over the 12 sites.................Everyone knows the power, speed and reputation of the Hayabusa and it's the benchmark for comparison with the extreme car groups.
How many do we get over here? As soon as one ends, another starts.
That's what brought the little 12 kid here to begin with. He came to the site of the ultimate motorcycle for attention.
I think the Hayabusa logo may need to be changed to:
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Might as well aim for the best. :thumb:
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Todd, You know what I just noticed....
You're rolling around with 186rwhp on a built 1400 motor......
That's only 10rwhp more than my STOCK motored 12R!!!
FUCKING HILARIOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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That's all I need to keep the stock Busas at bay.
Looks like you still need more!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Yes, I lost to 1 Piped Busa that day... We pulled the same MPH..he just got to the finishline quicker. That Busa didn't have LESS mods than mine... IT ACTUALLY HAD MORE MODS!!!!!! Get the facts straight.
As for ICEMAN saying that the busa out torques the 12r through the gears, that's bullshit. I was pulling on him from 2nd-5th everytime we raced... we did lock up in 6th. The Busa got the lead in 1st gear... which is mostly due to the low RPM dig where the Busa clearly out torques the 12R.
Phantom,
Miguel's bike does out tourqe your's he pulls 3.5 bikes on you thru the drive 1-5th gear
If you are pulling on him 2-5th Are you saying he pulls you 6 bikes in first gear?????
because if you are pulling him 2-5th gear and locking in 6th
How do you explain when he still beats you by 3.5 bikes
If he only pulls you 1-2 bikes in first then he is still pulling 2-5th gear
thats how he opens the distance up!
It does not make ANY sense what you are saying.
I will bring a digital camera next time if you denie the 3.5 bike spanking he gives you, ask anyone there.
My friend guy and myself watched the race from the other side of the road
at 8/10's
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One more thing, guess who called (ME) today???
Jason from RPM cycle wants to know if you will be at races next week he wants to race you, one of his customers with a 1000 told him you raced Bob, so he called the guy bob that you raced, and guess what Bob told him??
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THE ICE MAN[/size]
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195mph with my fat arse on it.
Why?
Just checkin Bro.
How do ya'll run the flying mile over there?
I've run the 9/10ths and the Texas mile.
What mods were done to the Fearsome 12 at the 195 mph trap speed?
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ICEMAN- Yes, Miguel did pull like 4 bikes on me in 1st gear. After that.. I was reeling him in every gear. It wasn't 3.5 bikes that he beat me by. I was maybe 1 bike behind his rear tire.... so that's 2 full bikes. Not 3.5
I figured it was Blur that spoke with Jason.
As for Bob, If he told you ANYTHING other than the story I explained here... he's a fucking liar and I'll be glad to spank his silly ass again... for free.
As for Jason wanting to race me, That's ridiculous... if he needs a 100 lb weight advantage and years of drag racing experience to beat me on one of the bikes he tuned... he shouldn't be tuning bikes.
If you would like to talk to HIS friends that were in the crowd during the race... ask them what Bob's ONLY excuse was for losing by 10+bikes. "I hit the limiter in 1st gear" was the ONLY thing that came out of his mouth. And to that I mentioned how I bogged in 1st gear and shifted into 7th!
He wanted a rematch...
and I told him, The first one was free... $50 bet this time.
He said "No, be a sportsman".
I replied with, "The first run was a sportsman run... now you're just wasting my time. I could understand if it was a close race... But I got you by 10+ bikes, WANNA SEE THE VIDEO!!?!?"
He then said, "Forget it... if you don't wanna run for fun then just forget it"
I said, "How about this.... loser fills the winner's tank"
He then repeated himself with, "just forget it"
I then said, "What the hell? I'm wasting my tire, gas, and most of all TIME with a rematch... it wasn't even close! You'd need to tag the limiter in every gear to excuse a 10+Bike length gap!!!"
He then said, "I'm sorry for wasting your time, I promise it will never happen again"
He then rolled off.
That's the entire conversation after the race..... word for word. If Bob said otherwise.. ask all the guys who were there... or better yet, tell him to race me again.
Again, if you talk to Jason.. relay this message. "You shouldn't have to defend your work, it should speak for itself..."
It's pathetic how he needs to go out there and race anyone who doesn't hail his tuning. He's not even a certified dynojet tuner... no tuning link! Besides, I initially didn't say anything bad about his tuning. I said his tuning was just fine for the 1/4 mile where you don't have to compensate for ram air or the increased load from wind resistance. That's all. Because of that he got his thong in a bunch? How fragile his ego....
I can sit here and bash a REAL professional tuner all day.... if he's worth a damn he'll ignore the critics and let his achievements and work speak for themselves.
For example, I walk into Blais cycle and I see 30+ AMA Superbike trophies along with a professional looking showroom and a very good looking dynoroom and workshop. You can't afford a place like that and keep it running if you do bad work. On top of this, he's got 25 years of experience and reputation to fall back on if anyone spoke ill of him. I walked into RPM cycle and it was some garage in the warehouse district with bikes scattered everywhere and parts laying around every corner.
Jason has had the shop for what? a couple years? I think if he wants to establish a PROFESSIONAL reputation... he'd stop acting like a baby because I spanked one of his customers by a mile.
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He's not even a certified dynojet tuner... no tuning link!
I've brought my bike to a "certified dynojet tuner" and I would never bring it to him again. What does it take to get "certified" anyway?
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Man this thread gave me a headache. :?
Everybody knows a Hayabusa is faster than a ZX12. :D
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Man this thread gave me a headache. :?
Everybody knows a Hayabusa is faster than a ZX12. :D
Better get a case of Mortrin because you just added anotehr 7 pages LMAO!
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"I walked into RPM cycle and it was some garage in the warehouse district with bikes scattered everywhere and parts laying around every corner. "
Sounds like a lot of great shops I have been in and some I haven't been in. Flotech Racing was run out his garage when he had the #1 plate in SBS and is still a backyard operation building some of the fastest bikes in the country. JDM was a garage operation when he was building swingarms for guys like Kent Stotz. I believe the owner of this site has a "messy" garage but is known to be a decent tuner as well :wink: You are insulting some of the hardest working and most successful people in the industry so tell us about your background.
You are speaking of things you know little about. Your lack of experience reminds of another thread:
http://www.suzukihayabusa.org/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=40860&highlight=remember+racers+brains
Have you ever done any simple things like degreed a set of cams? Set up deck height on a motor? Changed a spark plug? If your going to insult people, you best step up and post your credentials first :roll:
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Damn, I would say you are the most popular guy on this site by far.
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If he sticks around long enough he'll come around and switch over to the Busa...............................just like zx12richard......................
Only reason is its a better platform to use for a turbo bike which I dream of... 1000GSXR is my favorite bike too big for it...
The 12 was my first ever sportbike, I really like it but want Turbo bad....
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ICEMAN- Yes, Miguel did pull like 4 bikes on me in 1st gear. After that.. I was reeling him in every gear. It wasn't 3.5 bikes that he beat me by. I was maybe 1 bike behind his rear tire.... so that's 2 full bikes. Not 3.5
I figured it was Blur that spoke with Jason.
As for Bob, If he told you ANYTHING other than the story I explained here... he's a fucking liar and I'll be glad to spank his silly ass again... for free.
As for Jason wanting to race me, That's ridiculous... if he needs a 100 lb weight advantage and years of drag racing experience to beat me on one of the bikes he tuned... he shouldn't be tuning bikes.
If you would like to talk to HIS friends that were in the crowd during the race... ask them what Bob's ONLY excuse was for losing by 10+bikes. "I hit the limiter in 1st gear" was the ONLY thing that came out of his mouth. And to that I mentioned how I bogged in 1st gear and shifted into 7th!
He wanted a rematch...
and I told him, The first one was free... $50 bet this time.
He said "No, be a sportsman".
I replied with, "The first run was a sportsman run... now you're just wasting my time. I could understand if it was a close race... But I got you by 10+ bikes, WANNA SEE THE VIDEO!!?!?"
He then said, "Forget it... if you don't wanna run for fun then just forget it"
I said, "How about this.... loser fills the winner's tank"
He then repeated himself with, "just forget it"
I then said, "What the hell? I'm wasting my tire, gas, and most of all TIME with a rematch... it wasn't even close! You'd need to tag the limiter in every gear to excuse a 10+Bike length gap!!!"
He then said, "I'm sorry for wasting your time, I promise it will never happen again"
He then rolled off.
That's the entire conversation after the race..... word for word. If Bob said otherwise.. ask all the guys who were there... or better yet, tell him to race me again.
Again, if you talk to Jason.. relay this message. "You shouldn't have to defend your work, it should speak for itself..."
It's pathetic how he needs to go out there and race anyone who doesn't hail his tuning. He's not even a certified dynojet tuner... no tuning link! Besides, I initially didn't say anything bad about his tuning. I said his tuning was just fine for the 1/4 mile where you don't have to compensate for ram air or the increased load from wind resistance. That's all. Because of that he got his thong in a bunch? How fragile his ego....
I can sit here and bash a REAL professional tuner all day.... if he's worth a damn he'll ignore the critics and let his achievements and work speak for themselves.
For example, I walk into Blais cycle and I see 30+ AMA Superbike trophies along with a professional looking showroom and a very good looking dynoroom and workshop. You can't afford a place like that and keep it running if you do bad work. On top of this, he's got 25 years of experience and reputation to fall back on if anyone spoke ill of him. I walked into RPM cycle and it was some garage in the warehouse district with bikes scattered everywhere and parts laying around every corner.
Jason has had the shop for what? a couple years? I think if he wants to establish a PROFESSIONAL reputation... he'd stop acting like a baby because I spanked one of his customers by a mile.
RPM has a bike that has gone 7.80 at 190 at a AMA Pro Star race.
A shop doesn't have to be pretty to build fast bikes.
Where's that 12 that your friend is building? Is he interested in running an all motor busa for some money?
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Sal,
Is he talking about Jason that was with SBM?
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Man this thread gave me a headache. :?
Everybody knows a Hayabusa is faster than a ZX12. :D
Better get a case of Mortrin because you just added anotehr 7 pages LMAO!
One for each page! :P :P
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GSX- That friend with the built 12R should have it finished this weekend... probably tuned and broken-in in about a month. Remember this is a 1270 daily driven motor ... not one of RPM's 1500+cc super high comp. motors that needs to be torn down every week. If you want to compare apples to oranges... go ahead. I'd like to see how a stock bore/stroke daily driven Busa does against a 200rwhp daily driven 1270. The Busa still has the 28cc advantage.... but I'm sure he'll let it slide.
Powerstroke- I had some information brought to my attention this morning, turns out Jason isn't the owner of RPM...just an employee. Figured I'd return the favor after he had the nerve to call my cell phone out of nowhere and curse and yell then hanging up before I could speak.... So I insulted what I though was HIS shop. I'm well aware a lot of the great tuners out there work in less organized shops... I was just trying to get under Jason's skin a little..the way he did mine when he hung up on me like a 12 year old girl that's mad at her boyfriend.
You gotta understand, this guy has what you'd call a "Napoleon Complex". He's a grown man the size of your average 14 year old and he feels he needs to talk tough to compensate for his size. That's fine... it's his insecurity, not mine. But if he wanted to settle things like an adult... he could have just spoke to me in a mature manner instead of blowing up over the phone.
I have no ill will towards this guy, as far as I'm concerned... he's just another rider. I don't have the desire to start a physical altercation or even a verbal argument. He does what he does..I do what I do... I wish Jason the best of luck.
I can understand he's upset that I humiliated one of his customers in a race... that's fine. There's always next time and Bob is MORE than welcome to try again...and again..... and again.
So Jason, if you're reading this... Please accept my appologies. Bashing your tuning was not my intention... I was simply stating that a dyno map is not optimum for a top speed run.. it's optimum for the 1/4 mile. It's a proven fact that bikes that are tuned for max hp on a dyno run 2-4mph slower than realworld tuned bikes.... if you don't believe me... ask someone who's done testing out there in the 9/10th's.... I'm sure you know someone.
As for me racing you on Bob's bike... that's just silly. You're 100lbs less weight than me and a solid foot shorter... I'd need to make 20rwhp more than you just to match your acceleration... What would be a good race is putting the OWNER (bob) on the bike and seeing how HE does...If he can't beat me this second time... I'll even go a third time and give him the jump and a bike length or two depending on how bad he lost the last race.
That sound fair?
Apples to Apples man..... You don't see me putting Blais or Sal on my bike, do you?
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yes a money race can be aranged. Ill be looking to make some of my money back....... building my bike speciffically , for
cocky people like you!!
On the more humble side,,,, Im beat in the 1/4 no problem.. I dont have the skills.. however 9/10 racing is 90% bike 10% rider,, getting a good launch and getting thru the gears quicker Ive got confidence there. comes down to which bike makes more power....providing an even start....
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As far as racing the 12 It's my bike we are talking about. 1397 all motor against you friend's 12 on nitrous.
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I just read your last post. you say I can spray ?????? now that sounds like a race >>> Love to run a big bore busa.. should be something to see!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I've actually got a few bikes to pick from. I've got a 1000 that I'll race motor for motor and another busa that you can also spray against.
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DO I KNOW YOU????????
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Maybe. My name is Juan.
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GSX- You better be running 210+mph in the 9/10th's.... Alcindus ran 193+mph through the 9/10th's on a 175rwhp untouched stock motor 12R (mine).
What do you think he's going to run with 200rwhp on motor... and a progressive 100 wet shot?
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This ain't GSX's first trip around the block.
I'm sure he knows what he's in for!
I've seen Jason stand his bike up, to the point of having to let off to set it down, In FIRST thru THIRD gear and still run 204 on the GPS in the 9/10th...................at NIGHT!
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Juan,
What's up? All the boys are back on here talkin shit. I love it. :lol: I have to get my arse out there soon. Keep the smack up. It keeps me entertained at work. 8) Juice
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Time to get back into it Mike!
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I dont think you guy's should be betting money thats against the law
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I will run the big zx12 on my 1299cc Busa 8)
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Hey Juice, borrow one of your buddies piped busas an you can run phantom and some busas should be fun.
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Hey wait a minute, you mean you are really racing fr money. :D See you guys when I get down Friday.
Hey Juice, borrow one of your buddies piped busas an you can run phantom and some busas should be fun.
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GSX- You better be running 210+mph in the 9/10th's.... Alcindus ran 193+mph through the 9/10th's on a 175rwhp untouched stock motor 12R (mine).
What do you think he's going to run with 200rwhp on motor... and a progressive 100 wet shot?
We will just have to find out.
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Juan,
What's up? All the boys are back on here talkin shit. I love it. :lol: I have to get my arse out there soon. Keep the smack up. It keeps me entertained at work. 8) Juice
Mike, I've been doing good. I hope to see you soon. We need more of the old school guys out there! I still remember those races with you on your 1100 against George on Gabby's turbo 900 on Krome.
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Juan,
What's up? All the boys are back on here talkin shit. I love it. :lol: I have to get my arse out there soon. Keep the smack up. It keeps me entertained at work. 8) Juice
Mike, I've been doing good. I hope to see you soon. We need more of the old school guys out there! I still remember those races with you on your 1100 against George on Gabby's turbo 900 on Krome.
Juan,
Are you saying I'm old? :D Those where the days. Good times!
Sal,
I think I will fire that bitch up soon and get out there. I don't think I can make it for a few weeks.(damn work :x )
You guys are getting me so fired up. I can feel that bug just crawling over my skin looking for a place to bite and I'm not looking to swat him off. :twisted: Be safe! Juice
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Yes, I lost to 1 Piped Busa that day... We pulled the same MPH..he just got to the finishline quicker. That Busa didn't have LESS mods than mine... IT ACTUALLY HAD MORE MODS!!!!!! Get the facts straight.
As for ICEMAN saying that the busa out torques the 12r through the gears, that's bullshit. I was pulling on him from 2nd-5th everytime we raced... we did lock up in 6th. The Busa got the lead in 1st gear... which is mostly due to the low RPM dig where the Busa clearly out torques the 12R.
Phantom,
Miguel's bike does out tourqe your's he pulls 3.5 bikes on you thru the drive 1-5th gear
If you are pulling on him 2-5th Are you saying he pulls you 6 bikes in first gear?????
because if you are pulling him 2-5th gear and locking in 6th
How do you explain when he still beats you by 3.5 bikes
If he only pulls you 1-2 bikes in first then he is still pulling 2-5th gear
thats how he opens the distance up!
It does not make ANY sense what you are saying.
I will bring a digital camera next time if you denie the 3.5 bike spanking he gives you, ask anyone there.
My friend guy and myself watched the race from the other side of the road
at 8/10's
I am pretty sure drag racing isnt all about low end torque, its more about knowing what to do with it and how to handle it... put barry on rearsomes slug and me on barrys turbo, barry still waxes me, so as far as drag racing goes its a lot about the rider...
keep up the good work :thumb:
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look what looser12 aka phantom12 wrote over on hayabusa.org
My 12R vs Busa.... same mods.... 1 mile run.. even start from a roll (so the rider has little influence).
http://www.thebombsquad.org/videos/ZX-12R_vs_Hayabusa.ASF
rider had little influence ????
yeah until he looses to a stock busa and then it was a "SUPER JOCKEY "
unbelievable
this is actually kinda funny
http://www.hayabusa.org/cgi-bin/busa/ikonboard.cgi?s=38ade8ce12719428f5204af7b449cdc2;act=ST;f=6;t=21562;st=17
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Welcome to last month.... :roll:
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Yeah Syco, he's already had his assed kicked again since this was posted. :lol2:
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LMFAO! Todd, you finally show your face again. That's funny...
Kept a low profile lately trying to dodge FK so that he wouldn't remind everyone how you posted SOMEONE ELSE'S time slip as your own?
Or did you put away your magazines and decide to go out in the real world and do some REAL racing instead of the theoretical racing you are reknown for?
1397cc's is useless in a parking lot, on the internet, or on a dyno.... remember that.
As for me losing a couple races... that's no big deal. Everyone who races consistantly, loses here and there. But you wouldn't know anything about that would you, Todd?
Here's the way I see it... there are 3 LAWS in racing...
1. There's always going to be someone faster/quicker.... always.
2. No race has ever been won in theory, you don't know till you've done it.
3. You're only as fast/quick as you are right then and there.. what you did last time or what you'll do next time means absolutely dick.
Todd, if you were a racer... you'd understand these truths and you wouldn't constantly try to give me shit. Instead you would do like the other genuine racers and respect the fact that I'm out there... I showed up.. I raced... and I came back and congradulated the winner.
I didn't punk out... I didn't make up some excuse not to run... and I wasn't a sore loser.
In all honesty, I didn't expect to beat ICEMAN and I knew Miguel was going to be extremely tough. ICEMAN on his "stocker" cRuShEd a guy on a piped, lowered, pc'd, remapped, web cam'd Busa with a rider who's got 200 passes at the strip and hit 9.9's at 5,000ft!! Miguel's Piped Busa ran 195+mph in the 9/10th's... which makes it the fastest STOCK MOTOR bike to ever run out there. So the two guys that beat me just so happened to be on extremely exceptional fast bikes... not your run of the mill Busa's. Seriously, how many stock motor/ stock piped Busa's can wipe the floor with a piped/geared/cam'd Busa w/ an experienced drag racer in the seat? ICEMAN went like 8mph faster on his stocker and he had 15rwhp less!
I'd be willing to bet some good money that ICEMAN and his stocker would mop you up on your 1397!!! Hell, I wouldn't be suprised if me and my stock motor 12r smacked you silly.
I wonder, what would you have said if I beat both ICEMAN and Miguel? I bet you would have made up some excuses for them... or resorted to the typical childish insults and namecalling that we've all come to expect from you.
We've all gotten over this and moved on.... why can't you?
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Here you go Syco: http://www.suzukihayabusa.org/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=42961
Pretty much the same story: Bigmouth braggart with ZX-12 (FK jr.) is upset he bought the wrong bike and talks endless trash on the Busa board.
Then he cries and makes excuses when his modded Kaw get's kicked around by the Busas. :lol2:
Too bad his mouth writes so many checks his bike can't cash. :lol:
I haven't laughed so much since Vegas and I hammered FK with the kilt routine!
:lmao:
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Kin, I look up yer Kilt, Jamie.............? HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHHA
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Todd, have you ever raced a ZX-12R? Have you ever raced another Busa? Or are you the kind of racer that Phantom 12 says you are :moped:
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1397 and only 186 hp man I would be pissed off. surely your just Bull s---ing us right????
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modded 12? LMFAO! Bone stock untouched motor 12r with the usual bolt-on's (pipe,pc,filters,gearing)....
and as you so conveniently left out... I was matching all the Busa's MPH that day. What does that tell you? The bikes were evenly matched... it was the rider that made the difference.
How can you say I got kicked around by all the Busa's when none of them were able to run faster than me that day?
How can you even comment on racing when you yourself are not a racer and have no conception of what it's all about?
How can you talk shit when you can't do any better on your 1397!!!??!?
Oh, and btw... here's the scoop on the ONLY two Busa's that have ever beaten me out there....
ICEMAN's Busa is one of the fastest (if not currently THE FASTEST) stock motor/stock exhaust Hayabusa's in the country.
Miguel's Piped Busa is CURRENTLY the fastest stock motor Busa in south florida...and quite probably the entire state. His bike runs as fast if not faster than most HIGHLY TUNED modified motor Busa's.
As far as I know...there has never been a piped sportbike (of any kind) that's ran as fast as Miguel's.... or a stock motor/exhaust sportbike that's ran as fast as ICEMAN's.
You've got to take things into context to fully understand what you're talking about.
You've got to get off the bench if you want your $0.02 to be accepted.
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Phantom12 = Bona fied Member
Bahahahahaha!!!!! :lol2: :finger:
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
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No response to my points? Just a childish insult?
..................That's what I thought.
keep it coming Todd, you're ripping your integrity and credibility to shreads with every new post.
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Great ... looks like some gas got splashed on the ambers ... :P
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Nah, just Todd talking out of his ass ...... looking for a fight and getting his ass whooped.
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Only one person has recently established themselves beyond all doubt as talking out of their ass and taking a whooping. :lol2:
Week after week. Busa after Busa walking and stomping all over the punk shit talker. 8)
You're just like Wiley Coyote trying to catch the RoadRunner. (Busa) :lol:
Time for you to place another order to Acme so we can all laugh and watch you turn into a little dustcloud at the bottom of the cliff. :duh:
Here's an idea:
(http://www.rpi.edu/dept/llc/webclass/web/project1/group4/wiley.gif)(http://www.qsl.net/n5mya/acmeguard.gif)
Bahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
Beep! Beep!!
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Todd wrote:
Week after week. Busa after Busa walking and stomping all over the punk shit talker.
:lmao:
OHHH THE IRONY!!!!!!
You're killing me Todd.... :lol:
Yeah, I lost to a couple Busa's... I've also beaten a couple Busas out there. Anyone who races regularly will win some and lose some. Nobody wins them all, Nobody.
If you ever decided to race your 1397... you'd see what I'm talking about.
I actually feel bad for you in a way.... you've spent all that money on your bike and big bore kit and all the other goodies.... and you'll never know how it stacks up against real competition. Of course, you can always post someone else's time slip as your own and "pretend".
FK must still be cracking up after he caught you pulling that shit!!