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GENERAL => BIKE TALK => Topic started by: denise richards on February 21, 2005, 06:31:14 PM
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i know its noz directly busa relted,but check this video out.its on this homepage:
www.garyjavo.com
that viper totlly destroyed the gixxer.good rider on the bike.
on www.viperclub.org the owner is optimistic that theres no steet bike around that can hang with him...anyone??
i dont know what you guys think,but im very impressed.. :shock:
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:D :D
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oh,the viper guys are BS now all over the place.isnt it possible for someone to setup a "rematch"?i know,here are some 500+rwhp rides,i think its time to put them in their place.the dude is dead serious,ther is no bike that would outrun him..
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Who is the guy on the 1k? It's going to get deep in here from the smack talk! Boy do they have a lot to learn! :duh: :lmao:
Viperforum link: http://vca2.viperclub.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB14&Number=507697&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1
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I would really like to race a TT Viper. Honestly, I don't think I'd take him, but it should be pretty close. We're quite aways apart geographically though.
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yeah,thats what i mean.the BS is getting real,real deep there.
someone has to bring them back to earth.
motorhead,your smiling indicates something..
now,thanks to that gixxer,they feel veeery confident over there..
he even said low boost level,totally streetable,blablabla,that sucks
that gixxer realy made their day
ok,very fast car,but i want to see that sucker going down bad vs a busa,and i think im not the only one with that opinion.
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3 hrs. 50 min. seperates Valdosta and Savannah.... :D
http://www.mapquest.com/directions/main.adp?go=1&1a=&1c=valdosta&1s=ga&1z=&1y=US&2ex=1&src=maps&ct=NA&2a=&2c=Savannah&2s=GA&2z=&2y=US&2pn=&2l=WSkMtBTlTrg%3d&2g=DfhF9JXIV3k%3d&2v=CITY&2pl=
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I would really like to race a TT Viper. Honestly, I don't think I'd take him, but it should be pretty close. We're quite aways apart geographically though.
Don't make me come to Alabama !!!!!!!!!!!!!! j/k :lol2: We are going to be playing with some bikes in a few weeks. Is your bike still the same ?
p.s. balknbusa......go back and read his post again. The guy on the bike said this, not the Viper owner:
"He went on to say that none of his friends with modified bikes could pull on him the way I did. In short, he said he didn't think there was a street bike in town that would outrun me(at least out of the guys he knows). "
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3h50min aint bad.
somehow im sure there will be a turbobusa to race him and kick his arrogant arse.
guys,you all know this is going all over the internet,and he writes on his hp that an 1000gsxr will flat out accelerate a busa from 70 to 170.what is the whole world going to think about the busas? :wink:
earlier some DLM supercharged viper got put in its place by some busas,but after THAT,they obviously think they are unbeatable.
the owner of that viper mentioned he is a biker himself,so his comments are even more arrogant.hes full of self confidence,we will see for how long..
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When??! Same bike, except yellow. :)
P.S. Do YOU have a TT setup now?? If so, is it a monster??
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Is your bike still the same ?
Theres my buddy......you missed the question...the question was not "do you have the same bike" :wink:
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Yes, same bike, same exact setup (in other words, probably a pushover for your new monster if I had to guess). :P
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maybe i will take a little trip up there :wink:
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1toni1
i know its the bike rider who said that.thats even more sad.the whole forum BSts the crap out of all bikes,just take a look at those forum members posts..
time will tell if someone will race him once.
maybe PHANTOM12?? :lol: that kawasuckie rider now has really to prove something.alone the excuses of phantom why he lost would be worth it. :wink:
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the 1000 has the same amount of power as the busa and is 100lbs lighter? man, i bought the wrong bike! :lol:
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Yes, same bike, same exact setup (in other words, probably a pushover for your new monster if I had to guess). :P
Actually, my car has the same s/c on it with a little more boost and a liquid intercooler (small no2 shot). Still the bone stock high mileage motor with roller rockers. I don't think the rockers were in before. But yes, it is a wee bit faster. We were talking about a gsxr1000 but I was going to get him to bring a Busa because I still feel like I need some revenge (on not) :wink: Plus...I have since learned to race from a high speed roll.....so they say ???
p.s. for the newbies :lol: like balken .....this is what we are talking about. You may have to right click and save. 17 seconds long:
http://www.streetcarforums.com/videos/viper%20vs%20busa.mpg
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fast car
but why was the bike in 3rd gear at 80mph?
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that viper totlly destroyed the gixxer.good rider on the bike.
on www.viperclub.org the owner is optimistic that theres no steet bike around that can hang with him...anyone??
Maybe no STOCK bike.
Maybe he should try on a Turbo Busa! :shock: :lol2:
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fast car
but why was the bike in 3rd gear at 80mph?
I know the car was in 3rd. Was the bike ? I am trying to get the Viper owner to find out what gear the bike was in. I have had someone else ask/make the same comment.
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First of all that is a 03 1000 not a 04. Just a point. Who knows what else they got wrong.....
The 1000 was in the wrong gear. You could tell from the way the bike accelerated.
I have a hard time believing that car went 150mph in 9.7 seconds.
I would love to have the chance to race him just so he can see what a 1000 can do. Any TTs out there.
:D
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Let me know if that Viper comes into Lafayette... I could arrange something.
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1TONY1,we can still settle this 5 minutes from our house,you know i have both bikes. :wink:
By the way,like others are saying,my 1000 will wheelie at stock height from 70 mph in second gear,not sure what that was all about?
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Sweet car and nice vid, but judgement day was last year. Starting with manny's viper , the SC corvette, and the rest of the awesome cars in fulltilts/nickslicks video including dana's supra. Cars i doubt that viper owner would want to meet. Stock bikes usually were food, but just the natural aspiration builds with a bit over 200hp were enough to change things, let along boosted busa's (boasting less then 300hp at that). Like the song says, It's all been done before.
Before this becomes a 21 page dead horse, just send the link to fulltilt to get this car lined up against a equally "streetable, reliable, full weight" modded bike. :twisted: Hell where's Manny at? He should be able to chime in some much needed insight there. :yes:
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1TONY1,we can still settle this 5 minutes from our house,you know i have both bikes. :wink:
By the way,like others are saying,my 1000 will wheelie at stock height from 70 mph in second gear,not sure what that was all about?
Yea.....but Ron is special :lol: Maybe you could bring the GXSR and we could meet Ron.
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Cars i doubt that viper owner would want to meet.
Maybe you should start checking power levels before you make that kind of statement ............ just a thought.
edit: What I mean is this car is making more power than Mannys and probably a significant amount more torque. No doubt, with many modded bikes it might change the outcome.
Bottom line, on this day with this car and this bike/rider....this was the outcome.
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Maybe you should start checking power levels before you make that kind of statement ............ just a thought.
Here's a problem, not on his site nor his board statement does he list this. Someone on the same thread even asked what power he was putting down in his "street settings". He's not listing much except the 1200ft/ibs statement in the end. on the note of that same segment, his "0-150 in 9.7" claim isn't exactly a drag race timeslip either. :roll: Not trying to be a jerk but just stating what's been made available for us all to see so far.
As for power levels, dana's supra was at only 960hp and geared for drag racing when he rolled against nickslicks bored out busa (both were even till 160mph when car ran out of gear). The car is known to make 1200hp (a rematch is possible). Is this viper pumping more perhaps?
edit: just seen your edit and while I was sure he made more then manny's car, so was the mentioned supra. :yes:
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Not to jump sides,but 1TONY1 is a very stand up guy.He is the most honest car guy you will ever meet,and if he says he will meet you,then count on it,won't be the first time he has gotten beat by a Busa,oilheadron can attest.
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Maybe you should start checking power levels before you make that kind of statement ............ just a thought.
Here's a problem, not on his site nor his board statement does he list this. Someone on the same thread even asked what power he was putting down in his "street settings". He's not listing much except the 1200ft/ibs statement in the end. on the note of that same segment, his "0-150 in 9.7" claim isn't exactly a drag race timeslip either. :roll: Not trying to be a jerk but just stating what's been made available for us all to see so far.
As for power levels, dana's supra was at only 960hp and geared for drag racing when he rolled against nickslicks bored out busa (both were even till 160mph when car ran out of gear). The car is known to make 1200hp (a rematch is possible). Is this viper pumping more perhaps?
edit: just seen your edit and while I was sure he made more then manny's car, so was the mentioned supra. :yes:
Some numbers I saw were 780 rwhp on pump fuel and 930 rwhp on race fuel......the video was the first tq number I had seen but I guess it's believable with turbos. I would have been on good fuel so I assume he was. I made the pump gas mistake once.....I don't intend to make it again.
Woops....my bad, the 780 was low boost and 930 was high boost..... I "assume" there is a fuel difference but that's my opinion (which is worth squat) I have asked him what gear the bike was in. All I know is this Viper guy is a good guy and he and this bike had been smack talking for a while. It's not like he's the one that said he could outrun any bike. Is this the beating I'm going to take when I outrun Ron and zookman .........uh oh....I better go now :moped:
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First of all that is a 03 1000 not a 04. Just a point. Who knows what else they got wrong.....
The 1000 was in the wrong gear. You could tell from the way the bike accelerated.
I have a hard time believing that car went 150mph in 9.7 seconds.
I would love to have the chance to race him just so he can see what a 1000 can do. Any TTs out there.
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You know, that's one thing you can always count on from guys on bikes that get beat by cars.......excuses. What exactly makes it so hard to believe that this car could accelerate from 0 to 150 in 9.7 seconds? One of our most recent cars to come out has trapped 168 in the quarter mile in 8.75 seconds. Is there perhaps anyone in Maryland with a turbo 'busa that wants to try out a Viper? We have to be sure to set up an excuse proof race though. The bike should definitely have an air shifter, an extended swing arm would be nice too, I wouldn't want to hear the old wheelie excuse. While we're at it I think the bike should also get the break, wouldn't want to hear the "I wasn't ready" or the ever so popular "I was in the wrong gear" excuse. Now don't you guys go gettin' all in an uproar, I'm just havin' a little fun here but seriously. If anyone close by wants to try out one of the TT Vipers feel free to call me at 410 766 2800 and we'll set something up.
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Oh snap !!!! Where is the :popcorn: smilie
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Bottom line is how much does a viper cost . The average cost is about $85 grand. You spend $10,000 on a 2005 and dump another 10 grand or so in Motorhead's Labratory and you'd have something nothing short of a Pro Stock Race car could touch and still be up $65 grand in the good . Thats cha-ching for bling and other things. So just do the happy math
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Bottom line is how much does a viper cost . The average cost is about $85 grand. You spend $10,000 on a 2005 and dump another 10 grand or so in Motorhead's Labratory and you'd have something nothing short of a Pro Stock Race car could touch and still be up $65 grand in the good . Thats cha-ching for bling and other things. So just do the happy math
EIGHTYFIVE GRAND !!!!!!!!!! Jesus, you want to buy some at a discount ?? You need to check your figures.
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Oh my god, I never looked at it from that angle. If the rest of the Viper owners find out about this ingenious breakthrough in economics I will be ruined. Just imagine the possibilities with this train of thought. You just may be onto something. Just think how much money that Ferrari owners could save if they realized how much they could save if only they sported a Suzuki instead. You should patent this revoloutionary economoc theory and perhaps get an infomercial and tour schools to enlighten others. Oh wait nobody really cares.
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^ This is an age long argument. Lets look at the facts. A bike costs a lot less than a Viper, yes! Most bikes are a lot faster than most Vipers, yes! This is true, now lets look at the other facts. If an owner can afford a Twin Turbocharged Viper, I'm pretty sure they would be able to scrape up the funds for a fast bike but it is much more of an accomplishment making a bike beating car than it is to build a car beating bike. Another fact, there will always be someone bigger and badder on the street than you! This owner never claimed to be the worlds fastest car nor the universal bike slayer. Enjoy the video for what it is.
Rowan.
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The 1000 was in the wrong gear. You could tell from the way the bike accelerated. :D
You know, I think I have to agree. By the looks of it, I would say that the bike started out in reverse! :moped:
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Much props to you Jason you did a job on that 1000, but there will be alot of Busa's all shapes and sizes in S.C. around the end of May if you just don't happen to find some action sooner!
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It's just getting 2 easy to beat bikes now a days.
The old cost arguement. Kinda like calling your woman fat isn't it? :lol:
It's all relative...
Cannibusa!
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These vid comparos are truly funny.
Did they not see the vid Nick and the boys did with the three different Busas against the 850hp Viper? :roll:
Yeah, I saw it. The Viper beat the stock 'busa.. what video were you watching? LOL!!!!! (Open mouth, insert foot)
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These vid comparos are truly funny.
Did they not see the vid Nick and the boys did with the three different Busas against the 850hp Viper? :roll:
Yeah, I saw it. The Viper beat the stock 'busa.. what video were you watching? LOL!!!!! (Open mouth, insert foot)
Well, it was a 963 rwhp Viper (at least according to Manny), and from a 70 mph roll it couldn't get past the stock Busa until 165 mph.
And it couldn't get past a Busa with just a pipe (no power commander) at all. :wink:
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Whats wrong with your ego when you have to go out spend that kind of money just to say you beat a $10,000 bike. You feeel like a real man now I bet . All that accomplished is the equivalent of beating up the neighborhood retard or the local cripple kid . And if cost wasn't relavent the why do we all go to work everyday and why isn't everyone yourself inculded driving an exotic . It cost more to mod out a car than a bike anyday. You have to spend thousands to get out of a car what you can get out of a stock bike. NO .. .. A STOCK HAYABUSA. :roll: :roll: :P :P
Wait till I get my turbo damnit I'm going on a fuckin mission . And it ain't a recon its search and destroy.
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Tinmann8, I'm all for fast bikes, but I also like fast cars.
He didn't say that cost wasn't relavent, he said it was relative.
Ie: The cost of buying an exotic car might cost someone the same percentage of their income, as the cost of a new sportbike would for someone else.
People can spend their money however they like, we still live in a somewhat free country.
Don't hate, appreciate. :wink:
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Come on guys, the hole cost issue is old, just let it go! :roll:
Not everyone can like the same stuff, just accept the fact that not everyone wants what you, I, or the next guy wants.....
Lets stick to the facts.....on that day, during that particular run, they beat a bike! Big whoop, I know I won't loose any sleep over it.....will you? So they got lucky that time, maybe next time they won't be so fortunate! :wink:
If you think you can do better, offer up a challenge and let the camera's role for both sides to see! 8) That's what this is really about, people getting along and having a good time with something they enjoy as performance enthusiasts!
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Do I sense a car -vs- bike gathering at the next MOTORHEAD meet in greet!?!?! :beechug: :kickass: :drink: :moped: :smokin:
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Just a thought... I bet you could by a busa, GSXR1K, Zx12, and turbo all 3 for less than the viper costs. What the hell's the guys point? Money buys speed?
Pshhh.
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that viper totlly destroyed the gixxer.good rider on the bike.
on www.viperclub.org the owner is optimistic that theres no steet bike around that can hang with him...anyone??
Maybe no STOCK bike.
Maybe he should try on a Turbo Busa! :shock: :lol2:
i agree, race something that has the same/comparable amount of mods. otherwise, it's apple vs. orange. i bet the 12 sec. turbo mini van can out run a lot of sport cars out there but again, it's comparing apples to oranges.
if you put enough money on a vehicle, it will go fast so i'm not impress but that's just me. :)
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... it is much more of an accomplishment making a bike beating car than it is to build a car beating bike.
True ... since all it takes to obtain a car beating bike is to go buy one from the local dealer. :)
Nobody in their right mind would expect any factory stock car to beat even the 600 sportbikes these days.
It's apples and oranges comparo ... bid time.
But it's fun to see how insane some of these car guys can get, regardless of how much money they put into them to accomplish Busa type performance.
To each his own ... we are all gearheads in the end! :thumb:
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awwww gee....are there some guys with their panties all in a bunch cuz a car raped a bike...come on...
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awwww gee....are there some guys with their panties all in a bunch cuz a car raped a bike...come on...
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uhh, thats definately a rigged race, I owned that bike, at 80 mph the front comes waaaaaaay off the roadway when you punch it, 80 mph is second gear, your comin way up, THAT RACE WAS RIGGED!!!
THAT FUCKER SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF HIMESELF RIGGING A FUCKING RACE TO MAKE HIMSELF LOOK GOOD, AND THAT DOOD ON THE GIXXER IS UNEDUCATED, HIS GIXXER WILL NOT CRUSH A BUSA!!!
WHAT A BUNCH OF FREEKIN LAME ASSES!!!
I think I will go down to vegas and rent me a TTviper, then have Doc whoop me on his TLR and tape it, then circulate it on the tiller boards, that shit is so lame :duh: :shock:
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Glad to see you got the right thread there Twisted! :lol2: Phantom12 was probably wondering WTF you were talking about. :lmao:
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Glad to see you got the right thread there Twisted! :lol2: Phantom12 was probably wondering WTF you were talking about. :lmao:
:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Do I sense a car -vs- bike gathering at the next MOTORHEAD meet in greet!?!?! :beechug: :kickass: :drink: :moped: :smokin:
That would be funny. Perfect exhibition for a "Ultra kit" turbo busa. http://www.suzukihayabusa.org/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=41689
Real funny since weaker T-busa's (425rwhp or so) have hit 240- 250mph so far. :mrgreen: Maybe Jason would like to bring one of those 1300hp beauties to such a meet? http://www.heffnersperformance.com/twinturbo-package.html
Nice cars either way. Gotta have respect for power/performance like that. It's just boosted busa's are Devine insanity. :yes:
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Glad to see you got the right thread there Twisted! :lol2: Phantom12 was probably wondering WTF you were talking about. :lmao:
:lol: He had one of his longwinded responses to Twisted up for a second, he just deleted it before I got a chance to quote him. I think he saw my post, and it dawned on him what had happened.
I feel bad I didn't get it quoted fast enough, it was one of his more inflammatory rants. :lmao:
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How's about racing MY GSXR 1K?! We'll see how that works out for them... "I swear, it's not turbocharged!"
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Coldstone1300 wrote:
Real funny since weaker T-busa's (425rwhp or so) have hit 240- 250mph so far.
Actually, the Yancy TurboBusa which had approx. 425 rwhp at the time, has set the highest speed at Maxton with a 256+ mph run, with Lee Shierts riding.
8)
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someone needs to find that fucking viper and teach him a lesson with about 5 cameras! what a jackass!!!
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Just so you guys know, one of those Heffner twin turbo Vipers has turned a 8.75@168mph with the stock 6 speed. There's no bullshit involved when a car puts down over 1200rwhp/1200rwtq.
Think it's all bullshit? Head over to www.viperalley.com and call Gary Javo out.
As for the argument about cost vs. performance, get over it. I'm sure Gary never worried about how he could buy a bike and make it just as fast while saving ~$100,000. Realize that there are people whom don't worry about the cost of things, which in turn makes your argument moot. :wink:
EDIT: BTW, it was the bike that called Gary out, not the other way around.
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So... um... not gonna race a highly modified 1K then?
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Lucifer, I don't doubt the times at all. There are also street legal TurboBusas running low 7's, at over 200 mph. :)
I agree, the cost arguement is lame. See my post earlier in this thread.
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So... um... not gonna race a highly modified 1K then?
I can't speak for the guy, go call him out. :roll:
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I found the link to this thread over at the viper forum. I am here to clear up a few things. First of all, I have tons of respect for bikes. I had a Busa for a couple of years, and I loved it. I found out I am more of a car guy than a bike guy, that's all. As far as all of the internet shit talking, some guys on both sides are just into that, but that is not really my thing.
I never said anything about being able to outrun any bike in town. I think some folks have selective vision. What I said was, Jimmy(the guy with the 1000) said OUT OF ALL OF THE GUYS HE RIDES WITH, there wasn't a bike that would outrun my car. That's not saying a turbo busa wouldn't outrun me, it's just saying he thinks there isn't a bike in HIS GROUP that will outrun my car. I have no doubt that there are flocks of modified street bikes out there, and probably right here in town, that will hand me my ass. I have plenty of respect for bikes with turbos, N20, and big bore kits, as well as, stock bikes for that matter.
Balkanbusa called me arrogant. I'm sure if you knew anything about me, you would think differently. As far as my comment about a 1000 pulling a busa, that info is from Jimmy. I have known him for years, and he has always been a straight up guy. If someone has a stock busa and wants to try to outrun him from 70-170, I will set it up, and if he is wrong, I will be happy to report it.
I have seen the vid between supercharged vipers, and big bikes, but there is a big diference between a properly set up TT viper, and a supercharged viper. There is a ton more power under the curve, and the torque is much higher.
When I said 3rd gear, I meant I was in third. Jimmy told me he was in second. As far as the bike coming up, I have never ridden a 1000 so I can't comment, but before the race he filled the tank up to help counter this.
If the bike is an '03 it is my mistake. I knew it was a new one(the fast one) and I assumed it was an '04. I don't think there is a performance change between the years, but I'm sure someone will tell me if I am wrong. The 9.7 sec claim was just a estimate. I used a stopwatch with the video. I can't really see where the 150 mark is because the steering wheel is in the way, but I think that's pretty close.(I didn't realize everything was going to be picked over with a fine tooth comb)
As far as the cost scenario... everybody likes different things. If I could afford it, I would buy an enzo, because I like cool cars. I built this viper because I thought it would be cool to have a car that has the looks of a exotic(IMO) and the performance of a true supercar (even though I have found out that at 180mph I could stand to upgrade my already upgraded brakes!!) That's what I like. I won't knock you guys because you are into bikes, but I'm just not into that. I prefer a car that's just as fast. So it costs a little money, so be it.
Tinmann, If you think I built this car just to go outrun a (basically) stock bike, you are flat out wrong. My buddy thought it would make a cool video to see who would come out on top, so we raced. Being someone who is into fast things of all types(cars, bikes, boats, planes), I thought the video would be well recieved but maybe I was wrong.
Twisted, The race was not rigged. If you want to show me a lesson, find someone with a stock gsxr1000, or 1300 to come race me again. We will set the cameras up again and then you will have to eat crow. Lets put $100 on it to make it worth my while(you know since the car will get all dirty again and what not). Just to make you understand, I am only saying I outran a stock 1000 significantly.(before you come back with "my friend has a turbo busa that will...)
So here's the bottom line. I have plenty of respect for fast bikes, and I am not pretending to be the fastest thing on the block. I know there are plenty of bikes and cars that will outrun my car. What I am saying, is that this car, in street trim will and has significantly outran a stock gsxr1000 from 80 to 160 or so. I think for a true no compromise street car, it pulls pretty hard. I would have thought most of you guys would respect that...
If anyone wants to take me up on a rematch for $100 just let me know. (not a challenge, just an answer)
Sorry for the long post.
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Good post man, well written, and honest. Good man. Mad props.
O, and I wish I had the green to buy myself a crazy over-powered Viper too, but for now, I'll stick with the crazy overpowered GSXR 1K.
Grizz
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Lucifer, I don't doubt the times at all. There are also street legal TurboBusas running low 7's, at over 200 mph. :)
I agree, the cost arguement is lame. See my post earlier in this thread.
It's cool, I'm just posting relivent information. There is no reason for the members of this forum to shit themselves silly just because a car beat a bike. There wasn't any bullshit in the video, it was pretty straight forward. Gary isn't the type to make a false video, if he had, don't you think he'd be the one spreading the link all over the net? He posted it on both Viper forums and left it at that.
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Don't misunderstand me, I think it's great. I don't have a problem with people enjoying their bikes, cars, boats, whatever, it's all good as far as I'm concerned. 8)
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Thanks grizz. :beechug:
How much power does the supercharged 1000 make? I have never heard of that.
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Coldstone1300 wrote:
Real funny since weaker T-busa's (425rwhp or so) have hit 240- 250mph so far.
Actually, the Yancy TurboBusa which had approx. 425 rwhp at the time, has set the highest speed at Maxton with a 256+ mph run, with Lee Shierts riding.
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You wouldn't catch me going that fast on a bike. That's one of the reasons I sold my Busa. I took it to an indicated 205(probably more like 185) one day. I said I needed to sell that damn thing before I killed myself.
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First of all that is a 03 1000 not a 04. Just a point. Who knows what else they got wrong.....
The 1000 was in the wrong gear. You could tell from the way the bike accelerated.
I have a hard time believing that car went 150mph in 9.7 seconds.
I would love to have the chance to race him just so he can see what a 1000 can do. Any TTs out there.
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You know, that's one thing you can always count on from guys on bikes that get beat by cars.......excuses. What exactly makes it so hard to believe that this car could accelerate from 0 to 150 in 9.7 seconds? One of our most recent cars to come out has trapped 168 in the quarter mile in 8.75 seconds. Is there perhaps anyone in Maryland with a turbo 'busa that wants to try out a Viper? We have to be sure to set up an excuse proof race though. The bike should definitely have an air shifter, an extended swing arm would be nice too, I wouldn't want to hear the old wheelie excuse. While we're at it I think the bike should also get the break, wouldn't want to hear the "I wasn't ready" or the ever so popular "I was in the wrong gear" excuse. Now don't you guys go gettin' all in an uproar, I'm just havin' a little fun here but seriously. If anyone close by wants to try out one of the TT Vipers feel free to call me at 410 766 2800 and we'll set something up.
Is there one of those beasts of yours in Southern California??
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These vid comparos are truly funny.
Did they not see the vid Nick and the boys did with the three different Busas against the 850hp Viper? :roll:
Yeah, I saw it. The Viper beat the stock 'busa.. what video were you watching? LOL!!!!! (Open mouth, insert foot)
Well, it was a 963 rwhp Viper (at least according to Manny), and from a 70 mph roll it couldn't get past the stock Busa until 165 mph.
And it couldn't get past a Busa with just a pipe (no power commander) at all. :wink:
I was on that stocker!! :D Fast fucking car!!! (after 160mph) :lol: :wink:
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These vid comparos are truly funny.
Did they not see the vid Nick and the boys did with the three different Busas against the 850hp Viper? :roll:
Yeah, I saw it. The Viper beat the stock 'busa.. what video were you watching? LOL!!!!! (Open mouth, insert foot)
Well, it was a 963 rwhp Viper (at least according to Manny), and from a 70 mph roll it couldn't get past the stock Busa until 165 mph.
And it couldn't get past a Busa with just a pipe (no power commander) at all. :wink:
I was on that stocker!! :D Fast fucking car!!! (after 160mph) :lol:
:wink:
I know Dan. :D
Just didn't name names in case you wanted to keep a low profile. Those speed runs in Mexico could draw a lot of attention. :wink:
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Thanks grizz. :beechug:
How much power does the supercharged 1000 make? I have never heard of that.
It's one of only 2 that I know of, the other belongs to Richard at TTS. Check out the TurboForum for tons of info. It made 231 hp on the dyno. Hoping to make more hp on gas once I lower the compression in the coming weeks.
Grizz
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Actually, the Yancy TurboBusa which had approx. 425 rwhp at the time, has set the highest speed at Maxton with a 256+ mph run, with Lee Shierts riding.
8)
Heehee Very True. What's funny, besides the fact it did this in one mile starting from a dead stop, is that it's a stock frame/wheelbase bike too. Kinda a "Average" configuration compared to some T-busa's running around the streets now. :yes:
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ehm,guys,that gsxr rider in that vid really mentioned that even heavy modded bikes that he knows couldnt touch that viper.no wheelie in second gear on a 1000?sounds fishy,dont wanted to call BS on that one,but that whole thing seems a little suspect 8)
if one is BSithing there,its not the viper owner,it see bike rider.
at the end,its all for fun.the viperguy allready agreed that a modded busa will flat out accelerate him.
i dont know that guy,but it looks like he will for suer set up a race.honest guy,cool.
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Twisted, The race was not rigged. If you want to show me a lesson, find someone with a stock gsxr1000, or 1300 to come race me again. We will set the cameras up again and then you will have to eat crow. Lets put $100 on it to make it worth my while(you know since the car will get all dirty again and what not). Just to make you understand, I am only saying I outran a stock 1000 significantly.(before you come back with "my friend has a turbo busa that will...)
first of all from what I saw you didnt significantly outrun anyone? you raced from 80 to what? better rewind the tape? your boy jimmy CANT ride, I have done plenty of roll ons from 70 and 80 and one thing is for sure, full tank or not that gixxer WILL come up in second and you can go to gixxer.com to verify that, all you need to do is lay on the tank and control it, your boy didnt even look like he was getting on it, because I will tell you another thing when you hit 3rd and whack it the front gets real light and sometimes lifts, your boy had nothing like it going on with his gixxer.
if it wasnt rigged, sorry to say but you were racing a duck, a good rider and you wont have it that easy, I also have to question the start as well, looked like you may have started a little before him?
either way you prolly wanna get a few more camera angles and a few more riders under your belt before you start bragging about a SIGNIFICANT win?
lemme get a bike and I'll be your huckleberry...
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and to call THAT judgement day is way of.no way the viper walked him that bad if he would be real on it(the 1000).
we all remember that dlm viper,wich has about the same power as this TTviper and was like dead even with a stock busa,the piped busa already pretty walked that dlm viper..
why they didnt race from a dig,or at least from a first gear roll on.somehow i think the gixxer wouldnt come up even in first with that rider. :x
didnt want to run my mouth,but that looked like a 3rd gear rollon of BOTH to me.that viper has to run at least low9s.at least.if thats all true.
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oh,and somewhere i found that:
hayabusa 0-155mph:11.5second.stock,btw
not offending the viperguy,but he has to race a good rider on a modded busa yet,and THEN we wil see.
a rider that goes wot,btw.and from a dig,of course.
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First of all that is a 03 1000 not a 04. Just a point. Who knows what else they got wrong.....
The 1000 was in the wrong gear. You could tell from the way the bike accelerated.
I have a hard time believing that car went 150mph in 9.7 seconds.
I would love to have the chance to race him just so he can see what a 1000 can do. Any TTs out there.
:D
You know, that's one thing you can always count on from guys on bikes that get beat by cars.......excuses. What exactly makes it so hard to believe that this car could accelerate from 0 to 150 in 9.7 seconds? One of our most recent cars to come out has trapped 168 in the quarter mile in 8.75 seconds. Is there perhaps anyone in Maryland with a turbo 'busa that wants to try out a Viper? We have to be sure to set up an excuse proof race though. The bike should definitely have an air shifter, an extended swing arm would be nice too, I wouldn't want to hear the old wheelie excuse. While we're at it I think the bike should also get the break, wouldn't want to hear the "I wasn't ready" or the ever so popular "I was in the wrong gear" excuse. Now don't you guys go gettin' all in an uproar, I'm just havin' a little fun here but seriously. If anyone close by wants to try out one of the TT Vipers feel free to call me at 410 766 2800 and we'll set something up.
Is there one of those beasts of yours in Southern California??
I find it hard to believe because in his own video its around 11 seconds and he doesnt reach 150 indicated. He also said in a response that he wasnt trying to be exact so that is fine with me. I have no reason to doubt that you have a car that went 8.75 seconds. It happens everyday. My point was that it wasnt that car in that video.
Gary you have a nice car and congrats on the win. If your ever in S. Florida having some fun in the sun let me know. We can have some fun at the track or on one of those closed highways. :D
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I still don't get the fascination some people have with comparing a heavily modified car to a stock bike, or a modded bike for that matter. It is and will always be an apples to oranges comparison, IMHO.
I guess it's entertaining to make comparisons, but I don't see the point of getting all up in arms about it. A car is a car, and a bike is a bike. The two have very different characteristics, and can't be compared, other than terms of pure acceleration (and yes, I do realize that's what's being compared in this particular post).
I've had some pretty fast cars, but the feeling of riding my busa is unlike any thrill I ever saw in any of my cars. I could care less if someone's highly modified car can beat me from a 70-170mph roll-on or whatever.
It reminds me of my buddy who has a 1200cc turbo Honda jet-ski, who says he could outrun me up to his top speed if I lined up on a bridge while he was underneath in the water. Who fucking cares? :roll:
Do what you want to do, and enjoy what you do. I don't care who's car can outrun my bike.
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if this is the same video I saw on another board...........
this guy is dreaming thinking it runs 0-150 in 9.7 seconds.
If I had $150K+++++ in a car it damn sure better out run a $10k bike.
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What exactly makes it so hard to believe that this car could accelerate from 0 to 150 in 9.7 seconds? One of our most recent cars to come out has trapped 168 in the quarter mile in 8.75 seconds.
the car in that video as it sits in that video WILL NOT GO 0-150 IN 9.7 SECONDS. It MAY run a 10.7second 1/4 MAYBE(but I doubt it)....probably 11.5 as it sits(pump gas,street tires, etc as video exclaims) Its just silly to put that in the video, kills the credibility. Fast car, nice car....just not a 9 second "in car" pass like the video wants the ricers to believe.
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Yes that Viper can do 0-150 in 9.7. Why wouldn't it. A stock one can hit 110 in that amount of time. With over double the horsepower, there is no reason it can't. In addition, that car is quite a bit faster than the 11.5 you stated. A stocker can match that on a good day. That car is capable of low 10s on street tires and mid 9s on drag slicks. And quit comparing it to that DLM car. It is very much superior. More power, more torque, and a much larger spread on the torque easily make this car far superior. I would imagine that this can match any Hayabusa without power adders. If you want to go that route, then compate it to Chad's Viper, or Paolo, or SVSi's TTRS. All of these will give you a run for your money and have about 2000 HP give or take. Those bikes that are called Hayabusa's and bear a similar resemblace can go play with the 7.1 second tube frame F-bodies that are out there.
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im not gonna bash the car. it is an awesome car and thanks for posting the video. anyone who invests in making their bike, car or whatever kick ass has my respect.
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Yes that Viper can do 0-150 in 9.7. Why wouldn't it. A stock one can hit 110 in that amount of time. With over double the horsepower, there is no reason it can't. In addition, that car is quite a bit faster than the 11.5 you stated. A stocker can match that on a good day. That car is capable of low 10s on street tires and mid 9s on drag slicks. And quit comparing it to that DLM car. It is very much superior. More power, more torque, and a much larger spread on the torque easily make this car far superior. I would imagine that this can match any Hayabusa without power adders. If you want to go that route, then compate it to Chad's Viper, or Paolo, or SVSi's TTRS. All of these will give you a run for your money and have about 2000 HP give or take. Those bikes that are called Hayabusa's and bear a similar resemblace can go play with the 7.1 second tube frame F-bodies that are out there.
show me a 9.7 on street tires(the ones in the video, 18" or so no drag radial) and pump gas video and I will send you x amount of $$, you name the bet. Sure it has the hp but I would bet you a stock viper could beat that high hp car on street tires.
I'm not saying the Viper isnt fast...but to race a stock bike and bragg is stupid. Atleast top end it is.
I just sold a 9 second ls1 SS so I know what it takes to go 9's and it isn't just hp.
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this is from car and driver magazines test of an 800 hp viper.
notice the 1/4 mile time and mph with less hp than the viper in question in this thread.
2004 hennessey venom twin turbo viper
of the 5 runs
the average 1/4 mile time was 11.14 seconds
the average mph speed was 140.60
Run # 1 2 3 4 5
0-60 mph, sec 4.02/ 3.66 / 3.85 / 3.53 / 3.57/
0-100 mph, sec 7.08/ 6.63 / 6.95 / 6.50 / 6.53/
1/4-mile time ET, sec 11.37/ 11.09 / 11.31/ 10.96/ 11.01/
1/4-mile time TS, mph 138.80/ 140.70/ 139.20/ 142.50 142.20
Time to entrance of road course, sec 17.10 17.65 17.85 17.25 17.20
100-150, sec 10.61 7.50 7.71 DNF 6.90
150-0, feet 706.48 705.40 726.49 DNF 728.74
150-0, sec 6.55 6.58 6.84 DNF 6.80
Vmax, mph 157.30 150.90 150.70 144.80 150.90
Road-course time, sec 52.65 47.80 48.00 47.70 47.55
5-sec penalties 1 0 1 0 0
Official time*, sec 104.75 92.20 98.55 DNF 92.45
http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?article_id=8745§ion_id=15&page_number=3
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oh and how many 800-1000 hp supras out there run 11's???? (had one of those too)
a 6 speed viper on street tires will be VERY hard to get in the 9's PERIOD.
put some tires and preferably an auto trans and it will easy.
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just to say you beat a $10,000 bike. You feeel like a real man now I bet . All that accomplished is the equivalent of beating up the neighborhood retard or the local cripple kid .
I think we just got called retarded...????
Comparisons should be mod for mod, not $, Costs are different from bike to bike, let alone car to bike.
In the video we didn't get to see the surge of the take off in the first race, and on the second race the bike didn't surge at all. He wasn't even tucked in by the time the viper started. I don't know about how you guys race but when I start out at speed, I still run the revs up and dump it-enuff to kick the bike in the ass, but not enuff to wheelie. I didn't see that in the video. Also, the guy says the 1k will beat the busa, he said that with confidence. I would hessitate to say that about any liter+ bike before I knew the details. I have a feeling the bike dude was not the sharpest knife in the drawer. Humility is a much better starting point in racing, it makes loses less distasteful and victories more fullfilling.
The Viper is a nice car, very nice in fact. Personally I feel that if someone could drive a stick shift they could pilot that car to beat alot of things on the road. But a bike requires so much more skill to opereate from the time the stand goes up, not every road jockey can operate a bike at speed but cars, IMO, have the 2 extra wheels for a reason, they are training wheels.-EZ
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Sure it has the hp but I would bet you a stock viper could beat that high hp car on street tires.
You were doing so good until you said that. I will take that bet. That's like saying a stock f-body could have beaten your 9 second f-body.
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Sure it has the hp but I would bet you a stock viper could beat that high hp car on street tires.
You were doing so good until you said that. I will take that bet. That's like saying a stock f-body could have beaten your 9 second f-body.
yea my 9 second f-body would be hard pressed to run 12's on 18" street tires. Let's see what you run at a track as the car sits in that video. You will probably cry. I'm not bashing you or the car...its just the truth. Alot of guys have hp and never see a track yet claim, 9 , 10, 11 second etc.
Yea maybe saying stock is taking it a bit far but not far off.
get a timeslip and video and I'll believe it.
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Fastest time this year at V-10 nationals on stock tires was a 10.2 I believe with a supercharged Viper with about the same power. The car and driver venue was incredibly slippery. Most of those cars performed slower than their stock counterparts. In years past, even on street tires, the modded cars were always significantly faster. Gary is setting up another run to shut you idiots up. The proof of 9.7 is in the vid and in an instrumented test of a similarly powered car- the Hennessy Venom 1000. Less power, but hit 152 in the quarter in 9.72 seconds. On cheater slicks, so the launch was better, but Javo's car has more top end. Only an idiot with no concept of power would say that is imposible. No gary did not tamper with the speedometer. If he wanted the car to go faster, he would have had Heffner build a faster car. These viper owners are not in the ricer crowd and therefore do not have to bullsh*t everything they do to impress others. Oh, and a 1000 HP Supra cannot run 10s. Everybody knows Supras are roll-on kings. They cannot launch for shit. They have a peaky powerband with less under the curve. One can launch a Viper TT smoothly. In a Supra you have 200 Ib/ft or 800 and nothing in between. I guarantee this Viper does the quarter in the 10s on street tires. Absolutely no question. I don't care about a 9 second vette or Supra. I know Vipers. I have followed the car and its development since before it was released and know its inherent characteristics. There are 8 second transams that only have 700 ish HP. Don't believe me, check out some drag racing schools that have them. Sure they are lighter and are running slicks, but they have no where near the power and are running 2 seconds faster than what I am saying. It isn't that hard to believe.
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no idiot here, I SAID THE CAR IN THAT VIDEO COULD NOT MAKE A 9.7 150MPH RUN PERIOD. NOT AS IT SITS NOT THE "IN CAR" VIDEO AS SHOWN. If the "in car" video is of another car, yes its possible. ONE MORE TIME, THE CAR IN THE VIDEO WITH STREET TIRES PUMP GAS AND WHATEVER BLA BLA BLA IT SAYS AT THE BEGINNING WILL NOT GO 9'S IN THE 1/4 AT ANY MPH AS IT SITS.
Thankyou I am done.
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and BTW: and 10.2 is a LOOOOOONNNNGGGG way from a 9.7.
and 15-16" drag radials will greatly help no doubt..I know of lots of cars in the 9's on drag radials, I am saying on the 18" street tires as the video exclaims.
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I understand what fastlif is saying and I think he's right! In the 1/4-mile from a dead stop, no way is that car running close to those times on 18"/19" wheels and tires! :no:
But since this race is from a role, it kind of takes out that factor. So the claim by the Viper crew is with.....cheater slicks....etc....the car has the potential to run in the 9's or 8's! Once again, not relevent to this race or thread! :no:
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Sure it has the hp but I would bet you a stock viper could beat that high hp car on street tires.
You were doing so good until you said that. I will take that bet. That's like saying a stock f-body could have beaten your 9 second f-body.
yea my 9 second f-body would be hard pressed to run 12's on 18" street tires. Let's see what you run at a track as the car sits in that video. You will probably cry. I'm not bashing you or the car...its just the truth. Alot of guys have hp and never see a track yet claim, 9 , 10, 11 second etc.
Yea maybe saying stock is taking it a bit far but not far off.
get a timeslip and video and I'll believe it.
Gary admitted the video of the 150 run was an estimate because he couldn't even see the speedo. I even went and looked at my speedo after watching his video multiple times last night......it was closer to 150 than I thought just by watching the video. That said....the street tire record.....meaning Michelin only, is a 10.43 on a track. That is with a nitrous car. I am in the 10.50's on that tire and in the nines on et streets. My car and the record nitrous car do not make the power Garys car makes...but yes, tires are equalizers. Garys car driven correctly is an easy mid ten car on a track with true radials. Why is everybody so upset...he wasn't even racing a Busa ?
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fastlif is damn right
ive seen several magazine tests with high horsepower cars.
these tests always have name like 10000hp shootout,cant remember the name of the mag,but its a us mag.
all cars with street tires.only street tires allowed.
one contender was a henepissy,oops,henessey TTviper with 800+hp.
at BEST they only ran like mid 11s@140+mph
and THAT is a loooong way to 9.7at150.
i will find that test and post all the 1/4mile times.
on street tires 9.7s wont happen.never.
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Imnot upset, if you look back at my original post all I said was that comment killed the crediblity of the video. It does give it a "ricer" feel to claim that...... 9 second 1/4's are are HUGE accomplishment same thing for 0-150.
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on street tires 9.7s wont happen.never.
it could happen with a auto trans and drag radials"street tires"
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ok,got it.
its a car and driver article.
03 it was called the 10000hp shootout.
04 10000hp slugfest.
henessey TT srt10
100-150mph best:6,9s
1/4mile:11.0@143(best of an whole test day)
that equals 0-150time of about something between 13and15seconds
stock busa 0-150:11.5sec
thanks :wink:
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Any of you Viper guys do 1-mile racing?
What will a similar car run 0-1 mile? Time/MPH?
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:roll:
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Oh, and a 1000 HP Supra cannot run 10s. Everybody knows Supras are roll-on kings. They cannot launch for shit. They have a peaky powerband with less under the curve. One can launch a Viper TT smoothly. In a Supra you have 200 Ib/ft or 800 and nothing in between.
My Supra has quite a bit less than 1000hp and I have many 10 second timeslips.
I ran and beat a stock '01 GSXR1000 ridden by Rob Kelly. It was fun and he's a really cool guy. He posted about it and no body made a big crap storm like this. I don't understand why all you bike guys get so hurt when a car beats a bike. It is a rare occasion, but it does happen every now and then.
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I don't think anyone here is real upset by losing to a car, I am a car guy first and bikes second. I would have never taken that bet ...just shows you the guy on the gsxr is a rookie. I personally would never boast like the viper people about beating a stock bike(whoopdedoo) I don't think the guy who made the video is doing that , its others.
put them on a drag strip and its a different race.
..or if you really want to make bike guys cry put them on a road course(non pro rider)
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I just saw the video and I've got 2 words... Yeah right...
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I have pulled liter + bikes from a roll and I don't have anywhere near that much power.
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I don't see what the big deal is :?: He pulled the guy plain and simple :!:
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Gary Javo,
Where are you guys located? Looks like a Florida plate but I'm not for sure! I would love to race you and the 1k but I'm probably to far away.
Anyone else in Gary's area want to race this Viper and "clueless" 1k rider?
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sleeper supra,read the whole thread.
either the guy on the 1000 was a rookie or he wasnt on it,or he started in 3rd gear.something wrong big time there.
even with 900+rwhp,no way that viper pulled him so bad.
im positive someone here will set up a race against garyjavo.a good rider on a busa(wich,according to gary javo accelerates slower 70-170than 1000).
then they can call it judgement day.
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Oh, and a 1000 HP Supra cannot run 10s. Everybody knows Supras are roll-on kings. They cannot launch for shit.
Obviously you have no clue. :D
There are Supras in the 10's with low to mid 500 rwhp. There are also Supras that have 1.3x 60' times.
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sleeper supra,read the whole thread.
either the guy on the 1000 was a rookie or he wasnt on it,or he started in 3rd gear.something wrong big time there.
even with 900+rwhp,no way that viper pulled him so bad.
im positive someone here will set up a race against garyjavo.a good rider on a busa(wich,according to gary javo accelerates slower 70-170than 1000).
then they can call it judgement day.
Gary Javo isn't the one making the claim with the 1000. The guy riding the 1000 is the one that said that! Clearly everyone doesn't know that 70-170 is where the BUSA KILLS the 1000!
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balkanbusa,
If that viper pulls low to mid 150 mph traps it will pull a 1000 that bad.
Hell I pulled on R1's and GSXR1000's with less power.
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Gary Javo,
Where are you guys located? Looks like a Florida plate but I'm not for sure! I would love to race you and the 1k but I'm probably to far away.
Anyone else in Gary's area want to race this Viper and "clueless" 1k rider?
What a co-inkydinki, I live in Florida, have a 1000 and a Busa :wink:
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Oh, and a 1000 HP Supra cannot run 10s. Everybody knows Supras are roll-on kings. They cannot launch for shit.
Obviously you have no clue. :D
There are Supras in the 10's with low to mid 500 rwhp. There are also Supras that have 1.3x 60' times.
You are reading into it to much, NO WAY ON STREET TIRES! :wink:
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Gary Javo,
Where are you guys located? Looks like a Florida plate but I'm not for sure! I would love to race you and the 1k but I'm probably to far away.
Anyone else in Gary's area want to race this Viper and "clueless" 1k rider?
What a co-inkydinki, I live in Florida, have a 1000 and a Busa :wink:
SUTPHEN77,
Please email Gary and set this up. He has since changed his site offering up this challenge! http://www.garyjavo.com/
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I mean no disrespect to Manny, his car or the builder but the fact of the matter is that Manny's car would get beaten just about as badly as the bike did by this car. Also please do not compare me to Hennessey. I understand that to you guys, all Viper tuners are the same but that would be like me saying that all whites look alike. Like I said, I'm sure that someone has a fast bike that would like to get embarassed in Maryland. I've been sitting by the phone all day and I have no takers yet. 410-766-2800.
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Excuse me... I'll be right back after I get some Jiffy Pop and a soda. :kickass:
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I understand that to you guys, all Viper tuners are the same
That's kind of a blanket statement isn't it?. :roll: There are people on this board that own Vipers, and other fast cars.
Don't assume we're all just a bunch of kids here. And that we don't know that there are many tuners out there. :wink:
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I went to your link and it just takes me to his site. How do I email him
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I went to your link and it just takes me to his site. How do I email him
What part of Florida are you in? I will be in Bradenton on the 3rd and I'll be bringing a TT Viper with me. Just let me know how you want to set the race up and we'll get in on!
WAR! Have bike killing Viper, will travel.
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QUOTE/
TO CONSERVE BANDWIDTH, I HAVE REDUCED THE SITE TO A LINK TO THE VIDEO,
AND AN EXPLINATION OF THE RACE. THERE WERE 32,000 HITS ON 2-21-05 WHEN I
PUT THE VIDEO UP.
I HAVE HAD QUESTIONS LEFT AND RIGHT ABOUT THIS RACE, SO LET ME CLEAR UP A
FEW THINGS. THE BIKE IS AN '03 GSXR-1000. I THOUGHT IT WAS AN '04, BUT I WAS
WRONG. AS FAR AS I KNOW, THERE IS NO PERFORMANCE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE
TWO. THE BIKE OWNER TOLD ME THAT A GSXR-1000 WILL OUT ACCELERATE A
HAYABUSA FROM 70-170MPH. I HEAR THAT A LOT OF BUSA OWNERS DISAGREE, SO I
SPOKE WITH JIMMY, AND HE IS WILLING TO BACK UP HIS CLAIM. IF THERE IS A STOCK
BUSA AROUND HERE THAT WANTS TO LINE UP WITH HIS GSXR-1000, LET ME KNOW
AND I WILL SET IT UP. SOME GUYS ARE SAYING THE RACE WAS FIXED, SO I AM
WILLING TO BACK UP MY CLAIM AS WELL. IF THERE IS SOMEONE WITH A STOCK
HAYABUSA, OR GSXR-1000 THAT WANTS TO RUN, LET ME KNOW. MAYBE THEN WE
CAN PUT THIS TO REST. \QUOTE
Please define "stock", also please explain why there are now prerequisites to racing your vehicle. Thanks-EZ
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Be sure to get this on video from like three different angles and do a few runs too just so there can be no doubt as to the outcome.
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sleepersupra.
those new 1000s can trap in the veeery high 140 stock expect beeing strapped,lowered or/and piped.and if that car traps loow150s,the outcome has to look a little different.
the 1000 rider either was sleeping or had no clue what he was doing.
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On the 3rd, in Bradenton? That is thurs, There is an open test and tune at The Dragstrip.
http://www.bradentonmotorsports.com/
I will be glad to meet ur there. I have an 05 stock, lowered a bit, that's it.
813 505 3527, call if u need any thing, This should be fun. I am sure there are a few other guys who would love to come and see the viper. I'll buy at Hooter's afterwards-EZ
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Are you saying you are going to the Bradenton Motor Sports Park for test and tune on Thursday? I am supposed to be leaving for daytona on the third I can try and change plans but I have others going with me and may not be able too
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Damn H2O, look at our post times. exactly the same but you beat me to it. Maybe you should race, your reaction time is obviously better. (or you can type faster) :lmao:
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Yes that Viper can do 0-150 in 9.7. Why wouldn't it. A stock one can hit 110 in that amount of time. With over double the horsepower, there is no reason it can't. In addition, that car is quite a bit faster than the 11.5 you stated. A stocker can match that on a good day. That car is capable of low 10s on street tires and mid 9s on drag slicks. And quit comparing it to that DLM car. It is very much superior. More power, more torque, and a much larger spread on the torque easily make this car far superior. I would imagine that this can match any Hayabusa without power adders. If you want to go that route, then compate it to Chad's Viper, or Paolo, or SVSi's TTRS. All of these will give you a run for your money and have about 2000 HP give or take. Those bikes that are called Hayabusa's and bear a similar resemblace can go play with the 7.1 second tube frame F-bodies that are out there.
so the car maybe capable of running a 9.7 but I really dont think a pilot that has to rig a race has the ability :duh: c'mon dood, its fairly obvious the race was rigged, if not you cant recognize a good race when you see one, which must mean you are inexperienced? look at the damn tape, does it look like this guy is balls out? :duh:
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I don't see what the big deal is :?: He pulled the guy plain and simple :!:
yea sure whatever you say, I guess I could go rent a supra and say it has 1000 hp then get someone to sandbag it then blow by it in a pinto I claim has 600 hp :duh:
ITS EITHER RIGGED OR THAT DOOD CANT RIDE!!! simple as that!
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I just PMed sutphen77 with my contact info. Hopefully we can get together and clear this up once and for all. I'm not sure if you have a 1000 or 1300, but either way, the gsxr1000 will line up against you as well as I.
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3h50min aint bad.
somehow im sure there will be a turbobusa to race him and kick his arrogant arse.
guys,you all know this is going all over the internet,and he writes on his hp that an 1000gsxr will flat out accelerate a busa from 70 to 170.what is the whole world going to think about the busas? :wink:
earlier some DLM supercharged viper got put in its place by some busas,but after THAT,they obviously think they are unbeatable.
the owner of that viper mentioned he is a biker himself,so his comments are even more arrogant.hes full of self confidence,we will see for how long..
all of you guys sound like a bunch of sore, winey bitches cause a 1000cc bike got it's ass handed to it by a fast car. I have a 720 HP 996 Twin Turbo that would smoke almost all of your bikes from 70 -to- 200mph any day, and the fact that a car can even keep up with a bike like that, let alone kick its ass is something to be tipping your hat to. So, even if there is a bike out there that can beat that viper, or my porsche who cares... your bikes are supposed to be much faster to begin with.
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pm'd you back
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zero, your a moron, your 996 will get smoked by a 750.
I could see you guys posting that shit on a car board and have em jumping up and down, but the clear indicator of how ignorant you are is you thought you could post it on a sportbike board and it would sell?
hell a top fuel dragster will take me every time from zero to 300 mph, do I care, nope?
I SMELL BS, SO I AM CALLING IT.........
you wanna say your car(s) beat any sportbikes, make sure you have a reputable rider on it with plenty of witnesses from the sportbike community to back it... :duh:
zero, your mom called she said if you skip school one more time yer on restriction for life :lol:
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zero clearence,
damn nice car you have there.just wondering,what does it run the quarter?
turbo 996 are cool cars,man,like them alot.
greets
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I do not get how my saying a 1000 HP Viper can run 10s is so amazing. And thanks 1Tony1 for correcting me. I wasn't sure about that time on street tires. If you had looked at Vipers prior to this, you would recognize that neither of these accomplishments are that unheard of. Viper's hit 10s on street tires fairly regularly. The 150 mph bit is a bit more rare, but Hennessy's 800 HP Viper did it in 12 seconds on street tires. This car has probably 250 or more horsepower than the hennessy car. I am not retarded, the video shows that car doing 150 in 9.7 ish seconds, Gary has lots of money, he could buy a six second Cuda with an 800 cubic inch Hemi if he wanted. He chose to make a beautiful street legal, turbo Viper. If he wanted to beat any bike with a car, he could beat any street legal bike you can throw at him. And do not think that I only like cars, because I have ridden dirt bikes since I was seven and have been a passenger since before that. Yes, I realize that I have not ridden on the road, but I do appreciate a fine bike when I see one. I have all of the haybusa turbo videos on my computer and I appreciate them. However, I also appreciate that Gary's car can out accelerate almost all bikes and out handle all of them on a course. Congrats Gary and Jason, you have created a marvelous machine.
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all of you guys sound like a bunch of sore, winey bitches cause a 1000cc bike got it's ass handed to it by a fast car. I have a 720 HP 996 Twin Turbo that would smoke almost all of your bikes from 70 -to- 200mph any day
Hey now bitch, some of us have respect for the car guys, but not when you make a stupid fucking comment like that. Your 720 hp won't touch even a moderately modded busa, and anyone of the well modified busas (by that I mean anyone with $5K in mods) will smoke you. Plain and simple. Think about power to weight. Turbo busas average 300 hp and weigh ~535 pounds. Your car makes 720 and weighs what? 3500 pounds (curb weight of a stock '05 911 Turbo, I assume your car is somewhere in that neighborhood).
So, busa has P/W of ~1/2, and your car has ~1/5. Now undoubtedly, the race is not just about hp and power to weight, it's about torque as well. You have ~3 times the torque of a turbo hayabusa (likely, since you didn't post your torque numbers). But 7 times the weight. That doesn't bode well for you. Versus a stock hayabusa, you have roughly 5.5 times the torque of a stock hayabusa. And you still weigh 7 times more.
Did these bikes you were "racing" know that you were racing? Some videos? I love when some jerkass rolls up next to me in traffic and is gunning his engine like there's room to race.
I got mad respect for the Viper guys who come here and are honest and polite, and I believe that Gary is a good driver, and that his car is incredibly fast. I'd love to race him for fun. I'll race anyone for fun. And most cars will lose. Yours is definitely included. My ride makes 231 hp, and weighs 438.
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viperman, props for being nice and respectful, and making coherent arguments. Like most of the guys on the site, I have loads of respect for anyone who makes vehicles go blindingly fast. And as you said, for the right amount of money, you can build anything. These debates are fun as long as everyone remembers that there will ALWAYS be something faster out there, somewhere, and that things don't get personal.
The bottom line is that the bar is constantly being raised, and that each year, we'll have new Supra vs. Viper vs. Busa vs. F-14 videos, and each race will likely have different results based on conditions, rider, driver, or pilot.
Grizz
PS: Slow ass. :lol: :lol:
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Guys bikes are not fast in stock form from 70-150, face it. The guy has a fast ass Viper but this is not some super "kill" any semi fast car could have pulled this 1000.
race him from 30-140 and it MAY be a race.....but face it the viper is fast...just not a 9 second car as it sits.
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Sorry. I was not referring that 1000 HP Supras cannot run 10s. That was poor wording. That was supposed to be sarcasm. I know that they are fast and that 500 HP Supras run very high 10s on slicks. But, you must admit, typically, they do lauch somewhat poorly. I see all sorts of vids of a car killing them on a launch, then getting eaten alive once the Supra gets traction. Kudos to Supras, wasn't trying to knock them- I was just kinda frustrated and somewhat negative on everything.
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Did anyone else notice that once the car jumped out a couple lengths the bike rider gave up? Both times he did this and it made the beating look a lot worse. Notice him go from a tuck position to sitting up-right! :roll:
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I try to not get caught up in my emotion. I am an engineering student and I build race cars. I also ride race bikes (of the dirt variety). On other forums such as supercars.net, I usually go by fairandhonest. I generally try to shoot all of the people down who are so in love with one vehicle to be un reasonable. For example: when someone says that a Dodge Challenger sucks because on crappy 60s tires it cannot beat a 1200 HP Supra, I tend to shoot them down. I don't think anyone on Viper Alley disrespects or does not appreciate the Hayabusa, they are simply stating that this particular Viper is probably faster than a stock or lightly modded one. I know evryone here loves their 'busa, but a GSX-R1000 is 110 pounds lighter and makes close to the same power. I also understand that at higher speeds, the busa may have better aerodynamics (I am not sure). But to just blow off the claim completely is not very logical. As is totally destroying the virtual Rep. of this rider. He did not want to lose. Him and Gary are friends and rode together. I understand that he has ridden for a long time and that you do not have to be insane to do a roll on. Plus, once he does tuck down, his full throttle acceleration does not hold a candle to this car. A bet a stock Hayabusa would not either. Gary's car will beat Manny's DLM (No disrespect DLM- you have built some monsters) so stop comparing that car. I will reiterate that Gary's car will probably beat a built, stroked all motor Busa. I know I will be killed for this, but to pull that hard on a Liter Bike is saying something.
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well it looks like there are a few of us from tampa area making a night of going to the strip on the 3rd. This sounds like a great time even if the viper guy doesn't show up. Please do Gary, I'll get some pics for the website. If anyone body else from this area wants to caravan down. I'll be bringing the truck and trailor and busa, I will have passenger room. Let's make it an event!-EZ
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I already quoted a Hennessy 800 test: You can look it up yourself. 12 seconds for a 800 HP viper. This car is much faster. Also, yes SVSi does one mile racing. Their last Viper was about 1100 HP I believe and ran at just a crack over 200 MPH. So This would probably be in the 190s. I hope that they come back this year with the TTRS Viper with 1700+ HP. Maybe crack 230? That would be nice, but still not a 256 mph busa. Maybe Chad's that is 2000 + Hp can do it.
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I will reiterate that Gary's car will probably beat a built, stroked all motor Busa. I know I will be killed for this, but to pull that hard on a Liter Bike is saying something.
:lmao:
Do you even know what a bored/stroked Busa runs? Most are trapping high 150's-mid 160's with just a 1397cc at 210-230RWHP! Your just digging a hole now! I'd hate to see what a 1500cc+ would do to it? :lol2:
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I just PMed sutphen77 with my contact info. Hopefully we can get together and clear this up once and for all. I'm not sure if you have a 1000 or 1300, but either way, the gsxr1000 will line up against you as well as I.
Ya ... get some more race action on video! :thumb:
I know one thing ... that speeds on video are very deceiving. It all looks a lot slower than actual. This is why certain people think it was "rigged". The rider of the bike didn't look too happy at the end of the video. :cry:
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That is the quarter- cars have better high speed aerodynamics. From a roll- I'd bet on Gary. There are all motor Vipers that run about this fast as well- so don't think it can only be done with Turbo's. Before you kill me: the All motor record is 9.78 I believe- Gary would probably run mid 9s with what I have seen from the V-10 nats.
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That is the quarter- cars have better high speed aerodynamics. From a roll- I'd bet on Gary. There are all motor Vipers that run about this fast as well- so don't think it can only be done with Turbo's. Before you kill me: the All motor record is 9.78 I believe- Gary would probably run mid 9s with what I have seen from the V-10 nats.
I am baseing it off the trap speed, otherwise those are 8-second 1397cc bikes and they would have a field day with that 9.78!
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I am not sure what you are saying, but the world record All-Motor Busa is 196 in the standing mile-- I would wager this car would match that or beat it. Probably match it though. And that is the fastest to compete, so as I said, it would probably beat most stroked built motors.
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What it boils down to is that until about 165-170 the Busa should be ahead if not neck and neck with this car. After 170+ the aero on the car will help it pull away from the bike. This is with a bone stock factory Busa! Anything modded bike wise and the bets are off! 1397cc+ or Turbo Busa and it will be about who has the bigger balls for the road! :shock:
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I am not sure what you are saying, but the world record All-Motor Busa is 196 in the standing mile-- I would wager this car would match that or beat it. Probably match it though. And that is the fastest to compete, so as I said, it would probably beat most stroked built motors.
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
http://www.brockracing.com/daveowen.htm
Better do some more research! 8)
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http://superstreetbike.com/custombikes/030_0312_suzuki_01/ Look at that- I am not sure how current this is, but these busas run 7.82 at 190. I believe Chad's car can come close to that.
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Very Impressive. Very quick indeed. I still stand by my claim that this is an extreme and that Javo's Viper will beat most. Just like there is one Viper currently over 2000 HP (more coming), there are tons in the 1000 HP range. Same here- I would wager that most guys would run in the 190s.
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http://superstreetbike.com/custombikes/030_0312_suzuki_01/ Look at that- I am not sure how current this is, but these busas run 7.82 at 190. I believe Chad's car can come close to that.
That is a few years old! They are knocking on the 6's now at over 200mph! 8)
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... I know evryone here loves their 'busa, but a GSX-R1000 is 110 pounds lighter and makes close to the same power. I also understand that at higher speeds, the busa may have better aerodynamics (I am not sure). ...
I own a Busa and a gsxr 1000,my busa is faster,at the track and on the street.They do make almost identical horsepower,but my busa has a TON more torque. :wink:
I'm still trying to figure out how the 1000 at stock height didn't even try to come up with him. :?
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Show me a time slip -Not that I disbelieve, I just want to see 6s at 200 plus in a REAL bike. Hell, Prostock bikes run high 6s at over 200 and they are purpose built.
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Show me a time slip -Not that I disbelieve, I just want to see 6s at 200 plus in a REAL bike. Hell, Prostock bikes run high 6s at over 200 and they are purpose built.
Just look on dragbike.com at the last race results,they are running 7.0's at just over 200 mph.
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Those are not real bikes- There are street legal cars running mid 6s, but they are not REAL cars. AS in ones I would ever drive. Show me a REAL- rideable comfortable car that runs that fast. Chad's Viper is staock inside and even has 300 Ibs in stereo gear-- No compromises at all. Show me a real bike.
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Also please do not compare me to Hennessey.
Theres no way anyone who knew anything about tuned vipers could do that. The viper in the video performed sweet, didn't fall apart and still had all it's parts from the word go. A Luxury that quite a few Hennessy Customers didn't get and were seeking legal action for last I heard. :shock:
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So, busa has P/W of ~1/2, and your car has ~1/5. Now undoubtedly, the race is not just about hp and power to weight, it's about torque as well.
It's also about aerodynamics. Cars with big HP have a better aerodrag to power ratio than a bike does. This is one reason high HP cars like this will pull a bike on the top end. They may not get the jump, but will pull the bike as speeds get higher.
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Thank you for agreeing with me. I did some searching and if you haters want to compare extremes in "Street Legal" vehicles, look here
http://www.fasteststreetcar.com/2005/rules/prostreet.html
I bet these are faster.
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Thank you for agreeing with me. I did some searching and if you haters want to compare extremes in "Street Legal" vehicles, look here
http://www.fasteststreetcar.com/2005/rules/prostreet.html
I bet these are faster.
You are talking about a race car, full cage, slicks, and wheelie bar! I am talking about a street legal bike, NO wheelie bar, NO slick or anything like that. Yes, the bikes are a little extreme because they are stretched and lowered but that was just a reference since you were throwing out times.
Totally street legal DOT approved, normal bikes have gone low 8's/high 7's and could be daily driven in Florida like the Viper in discussion! 8)
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I will reiterate that Gary's car will probably beat a built, stroked all motor Busa. I know I will be killed for this, but to pull that hard on a Liter Bike is saying something.
I'll take that bet in the 1/4...wait I'll take a 1/4 race on a track with the bike on the right....100% internally stock, my power adder to your power adder. He can even run slicks. or we can call it 0-150mph (Much less the bike on the left)
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Those bikes are just as different as these cars- Some of those Muscle cars are fairly normal looking. Regardless, I was trying to show that Chad's Viper is the eqivalent of these bikes-- Real bikes. DOT approved, everyday bikes.
Just to confirm, you are saying that the fastest real somewhat normal Busa is a high 7?
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Fastlif- Are you saying that your car on the right is turboed? You said power adder. Otherwise- talk to Gary- I am sure he would compete well against you.
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all of you guys sound like a bunch of sore, winey bitches cause a 1000cc bike got it's ass handed to it by a fast car. I have a 720 HP 996 Twin Turbo that would smoke almost all of your bikes from 70 -to- 200mph any day
Hey now bitch, some of us have respect for the car guys, but not when you make a stupid fucking comment like that. Your 720 hp won't touch even a moderately modded busa, and anyone of the well modified busas (by that I mean anyone with $5K in mods) will smoke you. Plain and simple. Think about power to weight. Turbo busas average 300 hp and weigh ~535 pounds. Your car makes 720 and weighs what? 3500 pounds (curb weight of a stock '05 911 Turbo, I assume your car is somewhere in that neighborhood).
So, busa has P/W of ~1/2, and your car has ~1/5. Now undoubtedly, the race is not just about hp and power to weight, it's about torque as well. You have ~3 times the torque of a turbo hayabusa (likely, since you didn't post your torque numbers). But 7 times the weight. That doesn't bode well for you. Versus a stock hayabusa, you have roughly 5.5 times the torque of a stock hayabusa. And you still weigh 7 times more.
Did these bikes you were "racing" know that you were racing? Some videos? I love when some jerkass rolls up next to me in traffic and is gunning his engine like there's room to race.
I got mad respect for the Viper guys who come here and are honest and polite, and I believe that Gary is a good driver, and that his car is incredibly fast. I'd love to race him for fun. I'll race anyone for fun. And most cars will lose. Yours is definitely included. My ride makes 231 hp, and weighs 438.
First of all, lets get one thing straight, your bike costs less than the wheels on my car. If I wanted to have a 300 bhp bike today, I could go put it on my Black Card.
A 300 bhp motorcycle would kick my ass in a straight line, but most bikes on the street dont have this much HP. I have kicked many ZX10, R1 and Busa owners asses, from a standstill, and from ~70mph to the point where the rider pussed out or just plan got smoked.
I never said I could beat all of the bikes on this board, just most of them. That Viper kicked the shit out of that bike in the video, deal with it. BTW, some of those vipers run 8-9 sec. 1/4s, this is one of them.
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Fastlif- Are you saying that your car on the right is turboed? You said power adder. Otherwise- talk to Gary- I am sure he would compete well against you.
the bike on the right is internally stock with a small n2o hit. the bike on the left can be all motor. The one on left will not get off the track but the one on right I will take anywhere. 0-150 (which is basically a 1/4 mile for you guys) anytime name your $$. I will be on street tires.
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If he wanted to beat any bike with a car, he could beat any street legal bike you can throw at him.
Besides the previous remark on turbo busa's and 2000hp cars, that was the funniest statement made so far. The other guys already covered the 1/4 mile aspect, so Just how many of these "2000hp" cars that are everyday street legal and streetable rides that don't break down every week have done 250+ in one mile from a dead stop? The Yancy's turbo busa is a stock framed/wheelbase street legal bike with only 425hp and has done this twice at two different events (Maxton mile and Great Texas Mile) and recently broke that record with a 256mph run at maxton. If that bike can do that from a dead stop, imagine what this 600hp streetbike could do on the highway: http://www.suzukihayabusa.org/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=41689 Besides this, the majority of Turbo busa owners have posted GPS runs of anywhere between 232mph to 249mph done ON the Street. In the many past car and bike fiasco's on here, from big hp supras to vettes to vipers we've never seen anyone with these big hp cars show anything close to comparable to what common customers of fairly average (400hp or slightly more) Turbo Busa's have done on the road.
And unlike most hp monster cars, these bikes don't desperatly need a mechanic every 3 days or month. And this is in terms of everyday streetriding to even touring. Gas Milage is great too. :lol: With that said, when fulltilt and nickslick were set to make the Kings of The Street DvD last year( http://www.fulltiltlife.com ) they went to every car board they could to find willing runners. From the f-body boards, supra forums, viper, vette, porsche, ferrari, etc. They made it clear it would be filmed races against stock bikes, light and moderatly modded motor jobs, and of course Turbo busa's. Car had to be street legal AND reliable as a everyday driver since the trip to the desert track wasn't going to be a 2 mile hop. No Trailer Queens. The word of this got spread pretty well as some of the car boards got a little miffed at these Modded bikes wanting a race. Many powerful cars participated....except for any of these 2000hp jobs lightly mentioned here and there.
I'm sure Fulltilt would want to film a better follow up so if any of these 2000hp cars think they could dance with 500+hp on a 600ib chassis then something needs to be arranged. :yes:
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Those bikes are just as different as these cars- Some of those Muscle cars are fairly normal looking. Regardless, I was trying to show that Chad's Viper is the eqivalent of these bikes-- Real bikes. DOT approved, everyday bikes.
Just to confirm, you are saying that the fastest real somewhat normal Busa is a high 7?
Pretty much! Mike Slowe ran a 7.75 @ 190 at 60"! If you are talking stock wheelbase, then probably mid-8's! That is because of it damn near flipping everytime you give it gas.
In a role on race like this video, it would be UGLY for the VIPER! Multiply what the video showed this Viper doing to the lowly 1k and multiply it by about 5. That's how quick one of these Turbo Busa's will leave your toy of choice.
Don't get me wrong, that is a SWEET Viper and I think it rocks! I just think you guys are miss informed on what a 1k or a Busa will do. Stock over 170mph the car with that kind of power has the advantage/win but from 70-170 like this video shows, it could have been a different outcome! :smokin:
Hopefully we can all learn something out of this and come together as enthusiests to get more gatherings like this in the future, between bike & cars! The internet makes people sound different than when face to face. Wish I could come down for the fun! Have one on me! :beechug:
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First of all, lets get one thing straight, your bike costs less than the wheels on my car. If I wanted to have a 300 bhp bike today, I could go put it on my Black Card..
here is the problem.............you can buy alot but YOU can't buy talent. I can BUY your car anytime and any other viper etc. Any dildo can with a lil $$.
When you can build something bike/car whatever you will earn respect. Untill then keep spending daddy's money.
If you really want repect learn to ride a bike, "hey its only drag racing in a straight line"...its easy right? Come to the track and earn something.
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Barry Henson's bike is street legal and runs low low 7(teens I think) @ 200mph in the 1/4. Drive it anywhere. Dont think the Viper wants any.
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First of all, lets get one thing straight, your bike costs less than the wheels on my car. If I wanted to have a 300 bhp bike today, I could go put it on my Black Card..
here is the problem.............you can buy alot but YOU can't buy talent. I can BUY your car anytime and any other viper etc. Any dildo can with a lil $$.
When you can build something bike/car whatever you will earn respect. Untill then keep spending daddy's money.
If you really want repect learn to ride a bike, "hey its only drag racing in a straight line"...its easy right? Come to the track and earn something.
Exactly!
This Porsche owner has a lot to learn. At least Heffner builds and races his own stuff! You take your black card to someone and ask for more power! :lol2: :duh:
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Those bikes are just as different as these cars- Some of those Muscle cars are fairly normal looking. Regardless, I was trying to show that Chad's Viper is the eqivalent of these bikes-- Real bikes. DOT approved, everyday bikes.
Just to confirm, you are saying that the fastest real somewhat normal Busa is a high 7?
Pretty much! Mike Slowe ran a 7.75 @ 190 at 60"!
Don't Forget Barry Henson's Street Legal Turbo Busa (even broke it in a few times riding it the race). Owned Indy last year doing 7.29 @ 200.17 MPH on a DOT tire, no wheelie bars. When i Last saw, he owned the lowest et at 7.25. http://www.dragbike.com/raceday/04prostar_wf/sbs-e3.pdf
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I just Talked to Jason Heffner, nice guy, wants to have a good time playing with fast toys. Looks like we are all headed down to the strip. He asked if there are any turbo busas ready to go. I only know Cecil and Dave (relatively well enuff to say they are friends-something I don't say easily) anyway, Dave's Bike is have a new turbo and stuff put on and Cecil has to make a decison as to racing or just going to get a time slip. (no pressure there, eh Cec?) I am going, I am gonna race a car if they let us. I don't care what people say or think, I am just gonna have a blast.
Anyway, post up if u can make it down on March 3rd to Bradenton-EZ
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Will there be any role-races? Say 50-180mph?
Just curious what Heffners Viper will do on the street or is it geared for 1/4-mile only like the previous White Supra! :roll:
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First off all, ignore zero-sense up there. He is a ten year-old that inflicted our board last week. Truly worthless posts. Just ignore him and he'll go away.
Second of all, let's put an end to all the conjecture and line them up. My Heffner TT will be in Bradenton on the 2nd and 3rd of March for testing at BMP. We will be significantly quicker and faster than my signature.
I welcome any and all bikes to do some runs at the track or on the highway or both. I imagine I'll win some and I'll lose some but I enjoy racing, especially bikes. Send your top dogs so we don't have any, "he can't ride," BS and we can see how a street car does against a street bike.
Don't bring any ultra radical, ten foot long race bikes. Bring a bike that looks as stock as my car and we'll have some fun.
Chad
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I went to your link and it just takes me to his site. How do I email him
What part of Florida are you in? I will be in Bradenton on the 3rd and I'll be bringing a TT Viper with me. Just let me know how you want to set the race up and we'll get in on!
WAR! Have bike killing Viper, will travel.
I will be at DeSoto (Bradenton) next Thursday for Test & Tune.
Can't wait to see the beast.
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First off all, ignore zero-sense up there. He is a ten year-old that inflicted our board last week. Truly worthless posts. Just ignore him and he'll go away.
Second of all, let's put an end to all the conjecture and line them up. My Heffner TT will be in Bradenton on the 2nd and 3rd of March for testing at BMP. We will be significantly quicker and faster than my signature.
I welcome any and all bikes to do some runs at the track or on the highway or both. I imagine I'll win some and I'll lose some but I enjoy racing, especially bikes. Send your top dogs so we don't have any, "he can't ride," BS and we can see how a street car does against a street bike.
Don't bring any ultra radical, ten foot long race bikes. Bring a bike that looks as stock as my car and we'll have some fun.
Chad
now thats a true racer. Wish I could come down. Much respect!
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I have a 720 HP 996 Twin Turbo that would smoke almost all of your bikes from 70 -to- 200mph any day.
Interesting... that's right up my alley. :wink:
No name calling... but this could be fun.
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If you guys with the really fast cars think you can beat a turbo Busa, any chance of you coming to California?
I'd like a chance to prove you wrong with my street bike (shown here at Bonneville Salt Flats just prior to going 219 mph in a shakedown pass)
(http://www.a-zdiscountgifts.biz/dan_pix/spdwk_04/dr0fix137-R1-049-23.jpg)
(http://www.a-zdiscountgifts.biz/dan_pix/spdwk_04/dr0cold21-R1-029-13.jpg)
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Viperman- Listen, congrats to the viper camp on the gsxr1000 kill. Kudos...you beat a machine that can be had for the same price that Viper spent on the the turbo kit alone... nevermind the car and all the trick goodies it had.
BTW...a GSXR1000 with a slip-on is FUCKING SLOW!!! A decent rider will pull mid 10's with that bike the way it's stands... If a TT Viper can't pull mid 10's with $100+k total investment....that's sad.
A gix1k with a slipon will top out at around 180mph....on a good day. How is that even remotely a challange for a car modified like that TT Viper?
I think it's bad ass that you guys have cars that can run with showroom stock Busa's.....but know your place man... You're on a board where 1/2 the people have 9 second / 200+mph bikes.....all for about the cost of the taxes you paid on your Viper when you bought it.
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Viperman- Listen,
Hey....I voted for you:
YES PLEASE GET THE FUCK OUT NOW
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Seeya, :lol2:
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I talked to SUTPHEN77, and he said he isn't sure if he will be able to get up here before he has to go out of town. If there is anyone else with a stock, or near stock, 1000 or 1300, PM me so we can set this thing up. I am in Savannah GA. I can be ready just about anytime. I'm leaving it in your court. Just let me know when to be ready.
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My buddy has a blowzilla on his cobra (700ft/lbs of torque and hp was 6 something) and he runs 10:70's @ 128ish mph on drag radials and he is by no means a pro. Whats so hard to believe? Gary's car has several hundred more horsepower and almost double the torque. He said that 0-150 time was an estimate. I had a turbo busa and it would destroy any viper, but thats not the point he was trying to make. Don't talk about money because that wasn't his point either. I've owned and ridden many 1000's (not a zx-10) and none would power the wheel up in second unless I wanted it too. I've raced my stock busa against my same buddy on his 1000 and it's extremely close, much closer than I wanted to admit to him. Any mistake by the other would be ground hard to get back. I don't know Gary, but he sounds like a nice guy. All you should cut him some slack. Good job Gary, well done. :D
PS: found link to my buddy's cobra - http://www.03cobra.net/mauro1071.wmv
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I talked to SUTPHEN77, and he said he isn't sure if he will be able to get up here before he has to go out of town. If there is anyone else with a stock, or near stock, 1000 or 1300, PM me so we can set this thing up. I am in Savannah GA. I can be ready just about anytime. I'm leaving it in your court. Just let me know when to be ready.
Any chance you coming to North ga anytime soon?I have a 1000 and a busa.
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all of you guys sound like a bunch of sore, winey bitches cause a 1000cc bike got it's ass handed to it by a fast car. I have a 720 HP 996 Twin Turbo that would smoke almost all of your bikes from 70 -to- 200mph any day, and the fact that a car can even keep up with a bike like that, let alone kick its ass is something to be tipping your hat to. So, even if there is a bike out there that can beat that viper, or my porsche who cares... your bikes are supposed to be much faster to begin with.
What the fuck are you doing over here? You really are nothing but a troll. How long till you tell them that they all ride piles of Jap shit and should trade for something German? :roll:
Busa guys, meet the rotting cunt lip of ViperAlley: zero_class
http://www.viperalley.com/showflat.php/Cat/0/Board/general/Number/481270
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Hey Chad, i am not sure if the above comment is telling me to get off the board or what, but I look forward to seeing the races once they are posted on the alley. Sorry if you feel that I pulled you into this, as obviously you don't know me (My subscription to the Alley never went through). However, I am glad that you have madated real bikes as some of this crap is absurd.
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No, I was talking about the zero.
I think we are going to have some fun with the bikes. Regardless of which side you are on, bikes vs. cars is always a great time.
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Sorry- I had three tests today and I am making no sense. I was referring to the
Phantom12 wrote:
Viperman- Listen,
Hey....I voted for you:
YES PLEASE GET THE FUCK OUT NOW
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I did not know if that was aimed at me.
If they want me off, I am sorry I hurt their pride and mostly unbiased nature. I must admit a Viper bias though. (Very strong- but I try to keep it objective)
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Actually, Tony, one of my Viper brothers, wrote that to Phantom.
You need some rest.
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You are right-- Thanks for clearing that up. I was trying to hold the fort down untill you showed up. I know you said that your e-mail from them was not coming in. I will leave it to you Gary, and Heffner to lay down the facts as I am too poor to own either. All I know is what I read and what I have learned building this race car of our's at school. I feel like I am part of the alley, although my membership never went through. I have read every post I found for over a year now. It is my homepage.
If you are interested: The SAE race car we are building
482 Pounds
85 HP (limited by air restrcitor)
0-60: 2.9 seconds
1.8 gs cornering
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Look at it this way power to weight: bike is 560 with a rider or close makes about 160 hp the car is about 3650 with a driver and has about 950 hp
3.5 hp/lbs Bike
3.8 hp/lbs Car
The bike should be faster
The guy probably cant ride!!!!!!
ALso watch the speedo my stock ass busa speedo looks like a wind mill it goes up so fast
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Bikes have a great coefficient of drag at low speeds because of their lower frontal area. But at higher speeds, most cars can gain an advantage. I mean that difference was not very big: .3. Superior torque (very superior) and less drag is certainly enough to make a difference at those high speeds. A Viper is not stellar for aero drag, but it is significantly better than a bike at high speeds. This is the reason F1 cars acceleration hits an absolute brick wall around 200. At that point, with their big wings, they are reported to have a 1.0 or higher drag coefficient. Air resistance is not linear. Also why Top Fuel dragsters cannot beat their weaker rocket powered brethren for trap speeds; because by the end of the run, it takes 2-3000 HP just to drag that wing through the air.
Quit being such a dick to that guy. Gary said he was really believed he could win and was a great sport about losing. Just because he is not on a forum doesn't mean he cannot ride. I hope Gary's friend shows one of your "supported" riders what is going on. Why must he tuck at 70 mph, because if he doesn't, the 5 Ibs of pressure on him will hold the bike back. Is he bad because he didn't look like he was twisting the throttle off the bike. He looked relaxed and smooth, exactly what makes a rider fast. Look at Shumacher- he never looks like he is breaking a sweat. He obviously did not lift during shifts, which you guys always bitch about. Are you mad because he did not pop a huge wheelie to look like he was insanely fast. You cannot dispute that Gary pulled on him like crazy when he was full throttle- the most unskilled part of the race. Just quit being such a hater- embrace your biker brethren.
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DAMN!!!! All I said was that the numbers should be in favor of the bike. THe guys car is killer I could give a shit who is or isnt my buddy on this board... If he wanted to have the race for a dollar to prove how fast his car was; he did. Any street driven car whether a viper of a f--kin yugo that has close to 1000 hp is the shit... PERIOD
P.S. The guy on the bike should have won!!!! :D
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i am edgy- I see that you were being lighthearted. I think I am going to bed. Sorry about the seriousness- I am just such an engineer- no humor at all :evil:
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For the record, if that car is making 1200ft/ib of torque, i'm guessing it's hammering much more then 960rwhp.
Dyno sheet from Jason's Tuning site.
(http://www.heffnersperformance.com/images/GTS%20TT%20dyno.jpg)
They come in lucky Number 1300 too! 8) http://www.heffnersperformance.com/twinturbo-package.html
We've seen what cars with just under 1000hp look like when racing stock bikes. If that Snake is Hammering 1100hp to the ground then the stock 1k never had a chance. Period. Apply boost to the bikes and things obviously change but still it's a nice run and Kind of a compliment since stock bikes are the best benchmark they can use to show how fast their car is. What else could he race to show that? A Stock vette? Hemi Ram? Some Twirps in a Fart Canned Hatchback (THAT Would be good comedy though.)? Hell even a few of the Viper guys even acknowledged what Turbo Busa's could do against the same car. No need to start a war. In fact, as fulltilt and nick tried to do with establishing "Good Ties" in the car/bike races last year, this should be welcomed as possibility for even cooler vids in the future. :yes:
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Screw all of this talk- my Volvo 240 Wagon DL is faster-- Runs 3s at 500+
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Screw all of this talk- my Volvo 240 Wagon DL is faster-- Runs 3s at 500+
Zx-12's are faster though. :lol2: :wink:
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Screw all of this talk- my Volvo 240 Wagon DL is faster-- Runs 3s at 500+
Zx-12's are faster though. :lol2: :wink:
At least with Phantom or FK riding them they are! :roll:
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Guys bikes are not fast in stock form from 70-150, face it. The guy has a fast ass Viper but this is not some super "kill" any semi fast car could have pulled this 1000.
race him from 30-140 and it MAY be a race.....but face it the viper is fast...just not a 9 second car as it sits.
yer a nit, you need at least 800hp just to hang with that gixxer... period!
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balkanbusa,
If that viper pulls low to mid 150 mph traps it will pull a 1000 that bad.
Hell I pulled on R1's and GSXR1000's with less power.
yer a funny fucker, what do you think the gixxer gets at the trap? :duh:
wait till you run into an 05 with a rider on it, you'll be lookin for a third turbo...
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for all you car guys that want to race bikes and post results on sportbike websites claiming you slayed a dragon...
first, take a look at mannys video and the way some of his races were done, none of that 4 second I got the lead were done shit!
second, if you dont race someone that is a KNOWN RIDER throughout the sportbike community, dont bother posting it cuz it wont be considered credible...
for scotty, take another look at that vid and tell me you think that gixxer is on it, in a real roll on when you whack it in second @ 80 it comes up, and if you can see that car out the corner of your eye or its in front of you, dont bring it down, grab third at let it roll, hell even when you roll on with a busa it wants to come up fast in second @ 80, a squids first reaction is to chop it so they dont loop it... have another look at the vid... I dont think he was upset at a loss, I think he scared himself... :shock:
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For the love of God- stop comparing this to manny's car. I heard that a Viper beat a 1972 Suzuki 400. So all Vipers are better. This is a different, better car. You cannot judge all Viper vs. Bike races because of Manny's car. Nor can you judge all Viper vs. Hayabusa races because of this. However, the ball is in your court now. Chad, Gary, and Heffner gave you an oppurtunity. I believe some of you already have accepted. Good, now stop being retarded.
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love turbo anything.. and that is one hell of a viper you got there... I wish i lived closer just to run it for shits and giggles as I have ran a buddy of mine's 800+whp supra from 70mph kick and it was great... once again nice car and respect has to be given
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Damn these arguments get old. Old and lame.
:stupid:
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For the love of God- stop comparing this to manny's car. I heard that a Viper beat a 1972 Suzuki 400. So all Vipers are better. This is a different, better car. You cannot judge all Viper vs. Bike races because of Manny's car. Nor can you judge all Viper vs. Hayabusa races because of this. However, the ball is in your court now. Chad, Gary, and Heffner gave you an oppurtunity. I believe some of you already have accepted. Good, now stop being retarded.
dood, your missing the point, watch one of the races manny, nick and fulltilt produced with the cars-vs-bikes racing, it wasnt just a short flash of some video, they had cameras rolling from all angles before the race began and after, the full monty, it was easy to tell if someone jumped the gun in those races, plus there were lots of car and bike guys around so if there was any BS it would have been called, it was a straight up race and the results were the results...
not only was your so called race sketchy, your camera work sucked too, sorry but thats the truth. you have come to the right place if you wanna match up against some fast bikes with good pilots, just dont get too stoopid cuz there are some stoopid fast turbo bikes here, pretty sure I just saw a 500+ dyno sheet not long ago, or was it 6? anyways your in the nickslick category, you'll just waste fuel racing anything over 300 hp, but you will get to see some fast bikes...
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OK, I know we are truly beating a dead horse here but here are a few video's for you Viper guys to look at:
http://www.fast1300.com/videos/john_quarter.wmv
Notice the plate and headlight/tailight...basically a street legal Busa with a bar (yes, it can be removed). Are you REALLY sure you want to race this guy? if you stayed for the whole video you saw him run a 8.48...FASTER than your 8.75
Next, you claim that a Viper is faster due to areodynamic advantage...well, then how come I don't see any street legal Vipers doing this:
http://www.scta-bni.org/news/Noonan.wmv
But as everyone has stated...that is an awesome grocery getter! :)
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Props to Gary, Jason and Chad. I'd love to hook up with any/all of them. They put up and are willing to run. Save the drama and bad mouthing for another time. These guys are the real deal.
I will say this, however. Whenever something happens (always difficult to arrange properly), roll the cameras. I'd love to get a Kings of the Street II going sometime and step up the competition level a notch or two.
Jason, I added you to my 'list'o'fast'guys', so you might hear from me in the future if I make it out east to hook up with some of the cars I've been communicating with. May call simply to chat, too. Gary, Chad, feel free to PM me.
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I believe I heard 253, am I right. If I am not correct me. SVSi did around 250 a year or two ago. That was only 1100 Hp. There are lots of Vipers that can beat that and are streetable. Also, Chad's car will run high 7s now, or at least 8.1 ish. So, while both of those are amazing (I sure as hell don't have the balls to do either), they are not all conquering. Still, cool videos!
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I believe I heard 253, am I right. If I am not correct me. SVSi did around 250 a year or two ago. That was only 1100 Hp. There are lots of Vipers that can beat that and are streetable. Also, Chad's car will run high 7s now, or at least 8.1 ish. So, while both of those are amazing (I sure as hell don't have the balls to do either), they are not all conquering. Still, cool videos!
Here's the timeslip:(http://photos.imageevent.com/rz350/hankbonneville/websize/DSC00470.JPG)
He saw a max. of 256 mph on his GPS. The sound on the video doesn't do it justice. You really need to be standing on the salt to appreciate it. :)
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Keep in mind that the 253 is on salt,not pavement.Put the Viper out on the salt for 250+.Mile after mile.
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Here is a video of a Viper getting beat by a Plymouth Prowler
http://prowleronline.com/misc/NoProblem2-29-04/Viper-Mike.wmv
Though the prowler red-lighted, it still would have beat the Viper.
Not bashing Vipers, thought it was a cool video. I was doing a search on Google to find this 250MPH street-legal Viper....needless to say, still searching :roll:
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That Viper run was on the Salt Flats. Go to SVSpower.com and they still have the video I think. I beleive in that vid they hid 248. Not sure, but I think they hit 252 later.
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Well get on of those 2500hp viper put dot tires and bring them to the track...we will take care of them really quick....i am so tired to hear about them boys...yadda yadda ...so what! you might have beat a stock busa...but you ain't stock....so are a few busa owners here and if you guys wanna brag...put the cash up...and we will show up....we ain't broke cause we don't have a viper for godsakes!!You will need at least 2000hp if you wanna race on dot's.....just not to look like a bunch of retarded...so if you boys wanna prouve a point well...lets do something about it!!Talk is cheap and means dick.
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I talked to SUTPHEN77, and he said he isn't sure if he will be able to get up here before he has to go out of town. If there is anyone else with a stock, or near stock, 1000 or 1300, PM me so we can set this thing up. I am in Savannah GA. I can be ready just about anytime. I'm leaving it in your court. Just let me know when to be ready.
There will be tons of bikes available for the taking just down yonder from your neck of the woods from March 5-8.
Come on over to the Valdosta area(South Georgia Motorsports Park) :thumb:
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My Heffner TT will be in Bradenton on the 2nd and 3rd of March for testing at BMP.
I welcome any and all bikes to do some runs at the track or on the highway or both. I imagine I'll win some and I'll lose some but I enjoy racing, especially bikes. Send your top dogs so we don't have any, "he can't ride," BS and we can see how a street car does against a street bike.
Chad
Like the above post... There will be more bikes than you count in the Valdosta area March 5-8. Stop on by, I'm sure somebody will play...
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Well get on of those 2500hp viper put dot tires and bring them to the track...
I don't want to offend Viperman...BUT:
suprenant...you are argueing with someone that doesn't have a Viper.....and maybe is still learning about Vipers. So, don't get to upset at all Viper guys by what one person says.
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True, I don't have a Viper, but I have followed them from their development, so I know about as much about them as one who doesn't have one could. Mostly lots of stats and a good feel for the quarter mile capabilies at different power ratings. I also am an engineer and build race cars, so that helps. I am not sure if suprenaut read the whole thread, but I thought it was clear that there are 2000 HP Vipers and that they have already agreed to play. In fact they gave the invite, so don't be so mad. I will admit, it is still going to be a long time untill Vipers can match the Turbo Busas ini the Maxton Mile. But then again, maybe heffner will prove me wrong. I can't wait to see.
Oh, and 1Tony1, no offense taken. I try to keep up, but alas I am still poor. Only have a 1979 BMW 320i :(
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Those vipers really haul ass, awesome cars, but that Gix 1k was a fuckin turd, I don't give a shit how good a wheelie that homo can ride, he can't race. I just rode a buddy of mine's 03 1k 2 wks ago in a couple roll races. 70mph roll, 80mph and 90mph roll, all of them I started out in 2nd gear, all of them it wheelied, did not have to back out of it but it did jump up from the hit. That 1k in the vid did not even SLIGHTLY lift the front, looks like he started out in 3rd in both races, NO WAY that thing is gonna run with a Turbo viper that way. Probably wouldn't make as much of a difference but...that bike was still not moving, plus it looked like he was shutting it down eventhough the viper was still in it and filming.
Vipers and supras are fuckin sweet though. I wouldn't mind running one. Maybe at the Tx Mile I can get me some.
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Vipers and supras are fuckin sweet though. I wouldn't mind running one. Maybe at the Tx Mile I can get me some.
Are you from Texas? If so, there is a big Supra meet March 10-12 in Houston. There will also be a lot of fast vipers, including Chad.
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Any biker will see that the GSX didn't even roll on the throttle, never mind that he never downshifted.
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If he wanted to beat any bike with a car, he could beat any street legal bike you can throw at him.
Besides the previous remark on turbo busa's and 2000hp cars, that was the funniest statement made so far. The other guys already covered the 1/4 mile aspect, so Just how many of these "2000hp" cars that are everyday street legal and streetable rides that don't break down every week have done 250+ in one mile from a dead stop? The Yancy's turbo busa is a stock framed/wheelbase street legal bike with only 425hp and has done this twice at two different events (Maxton mile and Great Texas Mile) and recently broke that record with a 256mph run at maxton. If that bike can do that from a dead stop, imagine what this 600hp streetbike could do on the highway: http://www.suzukihayabusa.org/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=41689 Besides this, the majority of Turbo busa owners have posted GPS runs of anywhere between 232mph to 249mph done ON the Street. In the many past car and bike fiasco's on here, from big hp supras to vettes to vipers we've never seen anyone with these big hp cars show anything close to comparable to what common customers of fairly average (400hp or slightly more) Turbo Busa's have done on the road.
And unlike most hp monster cars, these bikes don't desperatly need a mechanic every 3 days or month. And this is in terms of everyday streetriding to even touring. Gas Milage is great too. :lol: With that said, when fulltilt and nickslick were set to make the Kings of The Street DvD last year( http://www.fulltiltlife.com ) they went to every car board they could to find willing runners. From the f-body boards, supra forums, viper, vette, porsche, ferrari, etc. They made it clear it would be filmed races against stock bikes, light and moderatly modded motor jobs, and of course Turbo busa's. Car had to be street legal AND reliable as a everyday driver since the trip to the desert track wasn't going to be a 2 mile hop. No Trailer Queens. The word of this got spread pretty well as some of the car boards got a little miffed at these Modded bikes wanting a race. Many powerful cars participated....except for any of these 2000hp jobs lightly mentioned here and there.
I'm sure Fulltilt would want to film a better follow up so if any of these 2000hp cars think they could dance with 500+hp on a 600ib chassis then something needs to be arranged. :yes:
600 bhp bikes going 250 mph on the street is about as likely as finding Micheal Schummacher driving his F1 car on the street. Even if anyone had a bike with half that HP on the street, I would bet $1k that they would never have the balls to hit any speed remotely close to what you posted.
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600 bhp bikes going 250 mph on the street is about as likely as finding Micheal Schummacher driving his F1 car on the street. Even if anyone had a bike with half that HP on the street, I would bet $1k that they would never have the balls to hit any speed remotely close to what you posted.
MAn the Viper Guys Were dead right:
First off all, ignore zero-sense up there. He is a ten year-old that inflicted our board last week. Truly worthless posts. Just ignore him and he'll go away.
With that said, the board owner here who's been tuning turbo busa's since day one and built the 600hp streetbike in the other thread has slammed 240plus numerous times. I think it's a safe bet the yancy's busa (with "only 425hp) saw 250 plus on "test roads" in North carolina if it's hammering 256mph in one mile and still pulling. As for remotely close? Here ya are.
(http://atlas.walagata.com/w/gamingalien9/Sk2_sk232_3.jpg)
This is 500+rwhp Velocity turbo busa built by superkaos. Motor can handle over 20ibs of boost. This is what the owner did on just 12ibs (not even close to it's true power).
(http://atlas.walagata.com/w/gamingalien9/Sk2sk232_1.jpg)
As said there's guys on this board that have gone even faster. Since you've already proven you like spending money as foolishly as you word yourself, I'm sure someone here (board owner or customer) can show you what this looks like first hand screaming away from your 4 wheel drive, overpriced volkswagon if you please. If not then go back under your bridge troll and let the adults speak. :twisted: :P :bigfu:
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How's the weather up there Cookie?, looks like it was pretty warm. Lows 50's here today, I've been out riding. 8)
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(http://www.pitt.edu/~cas61/volvo.jpg)
Oh yeah, I hit 332 in my Volvo 240 Wagon, so beat that ya bunch of bicycle riding faggots.
(In case you don't know, I am not being a jackass-- Just some PhotoShop fun)
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(http://ftp://cas61@unixs.cis.pitt.edu/private/volvo%20interior2.jpg)
Oh yeah, I hit 332 in my Volvo 240 Wagon, so beat that ya bunch of bicycle riding faggots.
(In case you don't know, I am not being a jackass-- Just some PhotoShop fun)[/img]
OUCH
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If he wanted to beat any bike with a car, he could beat any street legal bike you can throw at him.
Besides the previous remark on turbo busa's and 2000hp cars, that was the funniest statement made so far. The other guys already covered the 1/4 mile aspect, so Just how many of these "2000hp" cars that are everyday street legal and streetable rides that don't break down every week have done 250+ in one mile from a dead stop? The Yancy's turbo busa is a stock framed/wheelbase street legal bike with only 425hp and has done this twice at two different events (Maxton mile and Great Texas Mile) and recently broke that record with a 256mph run at maxton. If that bike can do that from a dead stop, imagine what this 600hp streetbike could do on the highway: http://www.suzukihayabusa.org/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=41689 Besides this, the majority of Turbo busa owners have posted GPS runs of anywhere between 232mph to 249mph done ON the Street. In the many past car and bike fiasco's on here, from big hp supras to vettes to vipers we've never seen anyone with these big hp cars show anything close to comparable to what common customers of fairly average (400hp or slightly more) Turbo Busa's have done on the road.
And unlike most hp monster cars, these bikes don't desperatly need a mechanic every 3 days or month. And this is in terms of everyday streetriding to even touring. Gas Milage is great too. :lol: With that said, when fulltilt and nickslick were set to make the Kings of The Street DvD last year( http://www.fulltiltlife.com ) they went to every car board they could to find willing runners. From the f-body boards, supra forums, viper, vette, porsche, ferrari, etc. They made it clear it would be filmed races against stock bikes, light and moderatly modded motor jobs, and of course Turbo busa's. Car had to be street legal AND reliable as a everyday driver since the trip to the desert track wasn't going to be a 2 mile hop. No Trailer Queens. The word of this got spread pretty well as some of the car boards got a little miffed at these Modded bikes wanting a race. Many powerful cars participated....except for any of these 2000hp jobs lightly mentioned here and there.
I'm sure Fulltilt would want to film a better follow up so if any of these 2000hp cars think they could dance with 500+hp on a 600ib chassis then something needs to be arranged. :yes:
600 bhp bikes going 250 mph on the street is about as likely as finding Micheal Schummacher driving his F1 car on the street. Even if anyone had a bike with half that HP on the street, I would bet $1k that they would never have the balls to hit any speed remotely close to what you posted.
I'LL TAKE YA UP ON THAT BET
I WENT 240 ON I480 3 YEARS AGOU WITH ONLY 380 HP WENT 247 IN SALT SPINNIN
STREETS NO PROBLEM TO GO OVER 250
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Let him be.....he's just mad that some peoples bikes make as much power as his car! :shock:
:lmao: :lol2: :lmao: :lol2:
:kickass: :beechug:
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That 425 hp busa has the same power to weight ratio that Chad's car would have if he lost the stereo, so acceleration would be similar. I don't know about aerodynamics over 200. SVSi says that while cars have the edge at 130+ to about 200/210, bikes take it back, so I don't think his car could hit 250s, but who the hell knows. Lucky that engine isn't in a Corvette. Their coefficient of drag is far better than either of the afformentioned. Still odd that my Volvo hit 332 with that brick shape and everything. I would have to disagree with the reliability issue. Chad's car has been quite reliable. He made alot of runs at V-10 nats with nary a problem. His engine is under less stress than most of these Busa's. He is only making 250 HP per liter compared to 326 for the Yancy busa. Sure it is still more power, but he has a hell of alot more metal containing it. There are Viper guys making 900-1000 HP on a stock bottom end who have 40k trouble free miles. The Viper engine is very stout. More reliable at insane power than a Supra engine (it should be, it is almost 3 times bigger).
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(http://ftp://cas61@unixs.cis.pitt.edu/private/volvo%20interior2.jpg)
Oh yeah, I hit 332 in my Volvo 240 Wagon, so beat that ya bunch of bicycle riding faggots.
(In case you don't know, I am not being a jackass-- Just some PhotoShop fun)[/img]
Only 332? Here's a 337 for ya, no photoshop either... :lol: (http://www.a-zdiscountgifts.biz/dan_pix/gps/337.jpg)
BTW, your pic link requires a password to view, you are the only one that can see it.
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I am assuming that is Km/h and I will try to get the pic up. Is there anywhere to post pics here? I cannot find an upload site.
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I think I got the pic working!
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Damn these arguments get old. Old and lame. Taken to the nth degree, cars are gonna beat bikes. Around a track, down a 1/4 mile, whatever. If not, F1 cars would have 2 wheels, and top fuel dragsters wouldn't be faster than the best dragbikes. What we have here is the age-old discussion of varying degrees. How much money? How close to stock? How far from stock? How far? Roll-on or dead start? On, and on and fuckin' on.
There's some fast equipment out there, no need to take sides.
Shake the hand of the fast guy for the day.
Excuses are for losers.
Gar
Amen.
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That 425 hp busa has the same power to weight ratio that Chad's car would have if he lost the stereo, so acceleration would be similar. I don't know about aerodynamics over 200. SVSi says that while cars have the edge at 130+ to about 200/210, bikes take it back, so I don't think his car could hit 250s, but who the hell knows.
A vehicle will not "take it back" at higher speeds because aerodrag is an ever increasing force with is defined solely by the shape of the body, the air conditions and the velocity. Each vehicle follows the same laws of physics.
What it boils down to at high speeds is which vehicle has reserve HP after overcoming aerodrag. Theoretically, if a car had twice the aerodrag as a bike (which is close to the real case) at all speeds, then the car would have to have twice the RWHP as the bike to make their drag/power ratio equal.
A Busa with factory bodywork has a CdA = 3.37. A Z06 Vette (numbers I know) has a CdA = 6.60. The Viper CdA would probably be about 7.0. That's 7.0/3.37 = 2.08 times ... about twice.
A Busa could theoretically go 265 mph with 425 RWHP. A car with twice the CdA and which has more rolling resistance due to much more weigh would need 1000 RWHP ... a little more than twice the HP due to higher rolling resistance. Rolling resistance for the Busa need 11 RWHP and the Viper would need about 120 more RWHP. 2.08 x 425 = 850 + 120 = 970 ... close cross check.
So, the Viper would need about 1000 RWHP to top out at the same speed as a 425 RWHP Busa. Of course the gearing would have to be optimized to reach the best possible top speed.
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So then, you are saying the SVSi car should have hit 270+. No, the reason the cars start to lose their advantage is that wind starts getting underneath them more at speed and causes huge drag. If the salt flats were truly flat, they could drop the cars more and go significantly faster than they do now. But they can't so they have to add more power. SVSi is set to approach 300 this year. Not too shabby. I wouldn't want to be driving that car and really wouldn't want to ride a bike at that speed.
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Vipers and supras are fuckin sweet though. I wouldn't mind running one. Maybe at the Tx Mile I can get me some.
Are you from Texas? If so, there is a big Supra meet March 10-12 in Houston. There will also be a lot of fast vipers, including Chad.
Yeah I'm from Tx. I didn't make the TX Mile last year but a few of my friends did. There were vipers and Z06s up there running in it also. SUpposedly there was a bad head wind ruining the deal but Johnny went 210mph on his street busa with only 280hp in the wind, don't think any Vipers hit 210 that day.
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So then, you are saying the SVSi car should have hit 270+. No, the reason the cars start to lose their advantage is that wind starts getting underneath them more at speed and causes huge drag. If the salt flats were truly flat, they could drop the cars more and go significantly faster than they do now. But they can't so they have to add more power. SVSi is set to approach 300 this year. Not too shabby. I wouldn't want to be driving that car and really wouldn't want to ride a bike at that speed.
The reason is because on salt, Drag overcomes traction! That is the reason the bikes have a hard time going faster no matter what HP/TQ they are putting out.
I believe Noonan had to turn the boost way down to get the 253mph run. Before it was just spinning the tire at 250 and slowing him down! :shock:
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MY BIKE MAKES A LIL OVER 500 HP MY OTHER WILL BE MAKIN ABOUT 700 HP
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OH AND THE 500 HP IS THROUGH A FULL PIPE ETC IS EVEN CALI LEGAL :wink:
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I believe Noonan had to turn the boost way down to get the 253mph run. Before it was just spinning the tire at 250 and slowing him down! :shock:
Actually, he turned the boost up, way too far, as on the backup run he blew the motor.
Here's a pic of his boost gauge afterwards...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v629/1i1i1i/MaxBoostatBonneville.jpg)
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:D
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v151/THEMOTORHEAD/84b219a6.jpg)
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v151/THEMOTORHEAD/5844591c.jpg) :D :D :D
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MY BIKE MAKES A LIL OVER 500 HP MY OTHER WILL BE MAKIN ABOUT 700 HP
OK sure, your bike makes 500 ponies, but who did ya beat? uh greg? :lol: I never heard of you beating anyone cept me?
yup, I'm callin it cuz ya wont let me put the coon tune on busas in ohio :evil:
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If he wanted to beat any bike with a car, he could beat any street legal bike you can throw at him.
Besides the previous remark on turbo busa's and 2000hp cars, that was the funniest statement made so far. The other guys already covered the 1/4 mile aspect, so Just how many of these "2000hp" cars that are everyday street legal and streetable rides that don't break down every week have done 250+ in one mile from a dead stop? The Yancy's turbo busa is a stock framed/wheelbase street legal bike with only 425hp and has done this twice at two different events (Maxton mile and Great Texas Mile) and recently broke that record with a 256mph run at maxton. If that bike can do that from a dead stop, imagine what this 600hp streetbike could do on the highway: http://www.suzukihayabusa.org/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=41689 Besides this, the majority of Turbo busa owners have posted GPS runs of anywhere between 232mph to 249mph done ON the Street. In the many past car and bike fiasco's on here, from big hp supras to vettes to vipers we've never seen anyone with these big hp cars show anything close to comparable to what common customers of fairly average (400hp or slightly more) Turbo Busa's have done on the road.
And unlike most hp monster cars, these bikes don't desperatly need a mechanic every 3 days or month. And this is in terms of everyday streetriding to even touring. Gas Milage is great too. :lol: With that said, when fulltilt and nickslick were set to make the Kings of The Street DvD last year( http://www.fulltiltlife.com ) they went to every car board they could to find willing runners. From the f-body boards, supra forums, viper, vette, porsche, ferrari, etc. They made it clear it would be filmed races against stock bikes, light and moderatly modded motor jobs, and of course Turbo busa's. Car had to be street legal AND reliable as a everyday driver since the trip to the desert track wasn't going to be a 2 mile hop. No Trailer Queens. The word of this got spread pretty well as some of the car boards got a little miffed at these Modded bikes wanting a race. Many powerful cars participated....except for any of these 2000hp jobs lightly mentioned here and there.
I'm sure Fulltilt would want to film a better follow up so if any of these 2000hp cars think they could dance with 500+hp on a 600ib chassis then something needs to be arranged. :yes:
600 bhp bikes going 250 mph on the street is about as likely as finding Micheal Schummacher driving his F1 car on the street. Even if anyone had a bike with half that HP on the street, I would bet $1k that they would never have the balls to hit any speed remotely close to what you posted.
were is this going on you huys lost me. and man your so right my couisn has a 02 turbo busa about 300whp and trust me he is scared of that bike.i rode it 1 time and told him he can have it.