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TECHNICAL => ALL MOTOR TALK => Topic started by: Style on July 18, 2005, 04:43:43 PM
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I have an 04 Busa with the full BDE system...what do I need to do to make an all motor 210+ HP on pump gas with daily driver reliability?
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a 1390 with a carpenter head
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A decent wad of cash that you are willing to part with.
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A decent wad of cash that you are willing to part with.
Is it the combustibility of the paper that produces the HP? Is a $100 bill more oxygenated than say a $5? :lol:
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probably the cheapest route to 210rwhp, on pump gas, with reliability would be a shot of juice....
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probably the cheapest route to 210rwhp, on pump gas, with reliability would be a shot of juice....
I'd really like to make 210HP without juice first, then maybe add a good nitrous system later.
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a good 1397 setup
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Take your stock setup get it tuned the best you can,get a n20 system and get another map made so you can have 150-77 n/n and with the push of a button pick up another 50-60 hp and still have reliabilty of a stock motor at all times till you push it.
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a good 1397 setup
+1
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a good 1397 setup
Ditto... My 1397 makes 196hp on 93 octane pump fuel, a head that has been very lightly cleaned up on the intake side, and little Yosh cams.
I would think a well done up head (like a Carpenter) and more aggressive cams would do the 210hp easily. I've seen plenty of good examples on here as a matter of fact. :wink:
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My 1397 that I got from stock mild to wild did the best of 222 on pump gas and 230 on good gas (no not nitromethene :lol: ) and I got a 40 shot on it.I think with the nitrous and pump fuel it was like 258 or so on the dyno :thumb:
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probably the cheapest route to 210rwhp, on pump gas, with reliability would be a shot of juice....
I'd really like to make 210HP without juice first, then maybe add a good nitrous system later.
Sounds about like Pat's setup
http://www.suzukihayabusa.org/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=50495&highlight=
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My 1397 that I got from stock mild to wild did the best of 222 on pump gas and 230 on good gas (no not nitromethene :lol: ) and I got a 40 shot on it.I think with the nitrous and pump fuel it was like 258 or so on the dyno :thumb:
what track do you run at, and what e.t's, mph?
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My 1397 that I got from stock mild to wild did the best of 222 on pump gas and 230 on good gas (no not nitromethene :lol: ) and I got a 40 shot on it.I think with the nitrous and pump fuel it was like 258 or so on the dyno :thumb:
what track do you run at, and what e.t's, mph?
I have not ran the new combo yet I had a Turbo and went to this new combo and have not been able to run it yet as we ran into a little snag with somthing on the bike and havent finished it yet.But Gainsville is my home track and Jax raceways is close by also. Im right in between both either one takes the same amount of time to get to.
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good luck with your combo.
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1397 with cams and headwork.
George..your head is a little more than lightly cleaned up and the exhaust side has been opened up ..and all the way to the valves on both int and ex!!! :wink:
I made over 200 hp with that head!!!! :wink:
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Didn't notice that the exhaust had been ported... 8) Seems to be working pretty good regardless. I wish I could find my missing trap speed, though. :oops:
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Yep..It use to be pretty smooth in there but the carbon builds up fast!!! :shock:
I went 154MPH on a wheelie with that head..same pistons with only 2 intake cams!! :wink:
Do you have a full airbox mod and all short stacks??
maybe your MAP or gearing is off>or not hitting your shift points?
:D
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A decent wad of cash that you are willing to part with.
Is it the combustibility of the paper that produces the HP? Is a $100 bill more oxygenated than say a $5? :lol:
$100's always burn brighter than lesser bills...
:lol:
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SAE - 7 = 209...
Alot of portwork on that head?
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1397 IS THE WAY TO GO(THIRD COAST SPEED) BUILT MINE WITCH DYNO OUT AT 23O HP :shock: THIS WAS IN MARCH AN WITH U-2 FUEL,MILD CAMS,SPAZ HEAD,AND BDE SIDEWINDER........IT DON'T SOUND LIKE MUCH BUT THESE GUY'S KNOW THERE SHIT.
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did a nice one with a carpenter head ansd 415 cams
went 8.75 @ 60" and made 214 on pump gas
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"What do I need to make 210HP?"
A 2006 Busa with a pipe and PC :wink: Wouldnt that be cool if it was true :shock:
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did a nice one with a carpenter head ansd 415 cams
went 8.75 @ 60" and made 214 on pump gas
WOW 8.75 damn.. Thats impressive.
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Yep..It use to be pretty smooth in there but the carbon builds up fast!!! :shock:
I went 154MPH on a wheelie with that head..same pistons with only 2 intake cams!! :wink:
Do you have a full airbox mod and all short stacks??
maybe your MAP or gearing is off>or not hitting your shift points?
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Small box mod, all short stacks... Map seems to be about as good as it's going to get. Gearing is 17/43 right now, and shiftpoints are dead on (MPS autoshifter).
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Is anyone using the Lee's Performance package on their bike?
He says his combo will make 215-225 HP (depending on the weather) on 87 octane with a BDE package and 205 with stock exhaust.
It sounds interesting and tempting.
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ON 87 OCTANE
SHIT FOR HOW LONG :roll: :roll:
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Style Posted: 16 Aug 2005 15:05 Post subject:
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Is anyone using the Lee's Performance package on their bike?
He says his combo will make 215-225 HP (depending on the weather) on 87 octane with a BDE package and 205 with stock exhaust.
It sounds interesting and tempting.
That sure is impressive!!!!! especially 225hp on 87 Octane
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Style Posted: 16 Aug 2005 15:05 Post subject:
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Is anyone using the Lee's Performance package on their bike?
He says his combo will make 215-225 HP (depending on the weather) on 87 octane with a BDE package and 205 with stock exhaust.
It sounds interesting and tempting.
That sure is impressive!!!!! especially 225hp on 87 Octane
I think it sounds impressive.
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How much more hp will a turbocharger give ya?
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how big is your wallet... have heard anywhere from 200 on upto 700 or so...
How much more hp will a turbocharger give ya?
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spaz what was the a/f reading with that?
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and where did you get the reading from ?
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Everyone saids 1397 are good to go and race and ride at the sametime. Now I gather that these 1397 kits blow head gaskets and spin bearing. Now someone come clean with this 1397 kit and answer this question. Can you ride the bike with this kit everyday to work 46 miles oneway, race it twice a month and keep it running without blowing a motor or blowing a head gasket or spinning bearings?
Someone come clean with me.
Fastturbobusa
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A nice set-up 1397 will run like stock only with alot more power :D . I have had mine for 3 years and most my cruising is in traffic and I have never had a problem starting ( 1 battery) or heating up. As a matter of fact, I would about bet your stock bike fan will kick on before my 1397. if you want to bet a quarter let me know, I'll time it and you can do the same :D
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ON THE 870 MOTOR I DID ITS 12.6-1
SOMETIMES IT CAN KICK BACK WITH STAOCK BATTERY BUT ONLY WHEN BEAT TO DEATH AT THE TRACK BUT IT STILL GOES 870S ON ALL MOTOR AND SHORT WHEEL BASE WITH STOCK CLUTCHES ETC
AND IS DEPENDABLE ENOUGH TO BE DAILY DRIVEN
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I can't speak directly about a 1397, but I used to commute 110 miles each way to work. I first had an offset bored big block... that didn't last at all. Then went back to a stock block, bored & stroked and haven't had any problems at all. I do run dual batts and lots of upgrades to improve cooling but other than that nothing major. So I would say a well built motor can last.
Everyone saids 1397 are good to go and race and ride at the sametime. Now I gather that these 1397 kits blow head gaskets and spin bearing. Now someone come clean with this 1397 kit and answer this question. Can you ride the bike with this kit everyday to work 46 miles oneway, race it twice a month and keep it running without blowing a motor or blowing a head gasket or spinning bearings?
Someone come clean with me.
Fastturbobusa
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I can't speak directly about a 1397, but I used to commute 110 miles each way to work. I first had an offset bored big block... that didn't last at all. Then went back to a stock block, bored & stroked and haven't had any problems at all. I do run dual batts and lots of upgrades to improve cooling but other than that nothing major. So I would say a well built motor can last.
Everyone saids 1397 are good to go and race and ride at the sametime. Now I gather that these 1397 kits blow head gaskets and spin bearing. Now someone come clean with this 1397 kit and answer this question. Can you ride the bike with this kit everyday to work 46 miles oneway, race it twice a month and keep it running without blowing a motor or blowing a head gasket or spinning bearings?
Someone come clean with me.
Fastturbobusa
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I HAVE A CARPENTER 1397 MOTOR WITH HIS 385 CAMS I DYNO AT 202 ON MRXO1 BUT I RUN 155 MPH ALL DAY AND I WEIGH 180 SUITED. I DONT THINK DYNO NUMBERS MEAN A WHOLE LOT. I SEEN OTHER BOARD MEMBERS BUILT BIKES DYNO THE SAME AND GO ALOT SLOWER ET AND MPH WITH SAME WEIGHT DRIVER.CUSTOM MAPPING IS THE KEY TO ET AND MPH
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I HAVE A CARPENTER 1397 MOTOR WITH HIS 385 CAMS I DYNO AT 202 ON MRXO1 BUT I RUN 155 MPH ALL DAY AND I WEIGH 180 SUITED. I DONT THINK DYNO NUMBERS MEAN A WHOLE LOT. I SEEN OTHER BOARD MEMBERS BUILT BIKES DYNO THE SAME AND GO ALOT SLOWER ET AND MPH WITH SAME WEIGHT DRIVER.CUSTOM MAPPING IS THE KEY TO ET AND MPH
I think you are right! I can't wait to get mine mapped!
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I HAVE A CARPENTER 1397 MOTOR WITH HIS 385 CAMS I DYNO AT 202 ON MRXO1 BUT I RUN 155 MPH ALL DAY AND I WEIGH 180 SUITED. I DONT THINK DYNO NUMBERS MEAN A WHOLE LOT. I SEEN OTHER BOARD MEMBERS BUILT BIKES DYNO THE SAME AND GO ALOT SLOWER ET AND MPH WITH SAME WEIGHT DRIVER.CUSTOM MAPPING IS THE KEY TO ET AND MPH
I think you are right! I can't wait to get mine mapped!
Who you gonna get to map your bike E
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I HAVE A CARPENTER 1397 MOTOR WITH HIS 385 CAMS I DYNO AT 202 ON MRXO1 BUT I RUN 155 MPH ALL DAY AND I WEIGH 180 SUITED. I DONT THINK DYNO NUMBERS MEAN A WHOLE LOT. I SEEN OTHER BOARD MEMBERS BUILT BIKES DYNO THE SAME AND GO ALOT SLOWER ET AND MPH WITH SAME WEIGHT DRIVER.CUSTOM MAPPING IS THE KEY TO ET AND MPH
I think you are right! I can't wait to get mine mapped!
Who you gonna get to map your bike E
That is the question of the month for me. I'm just not sure. I need it to be spot on though!
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spaz has a dyno from what i heard.....he can do mapping i think
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spaz has a dyno from what i heard.....he can do mapping i think
Let me be the first to say .....SO.... :roll:
By the way, what is a spaz?? :shock:
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Yes I have a 30ft.trailer with a 250i
How much thievin' you have to do to buy that [/size]:?:
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You all are as bunch of Morons, I have a 02 busa with slip fit Weiscos, a ported head by a hick from Arkansas, and the intake cam mod. It made 209 on MSPs dyno 2 years ago, and 207 on a dyno here in town.( Iowa) so Fuck your 1397s. So spend your money on those BIG 1397s for the extra 3 HP.... This has run 8s with a 200lb rider.....
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You all are as bunch of Morons, I have a 02 busa with slip fit Weiscos, a ported head by a hick from Arkansas, and the intake cam mod. It made 209 on MSPs dyno 2 years ago, and 207 on a dyno here in town.( Iowa) so Fuck your 1397s. So spend your money on those BIG 1397s for the extra 3 HP.... This has run 8s with a 200lb rider.....
Ya with 16: 1 compression maybe
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You all are as bunch of Morons, I have a 02 busa with slip fit Weiscos, a ported head by a hick from Arkansas, and the intake cam mod. It made 209 on MSPs dyno 2 years ago, and 207 on a dyno here in town.( Iowa) so Fuck your 1397s. So spend your money on those BIG 1397s for the extra 3 HP.... This has run 8s with a 200lb rider.....
Yeah, and you're running it on pure IOWA corn too :roll:
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You all are as bunch of Morons, I have a 02 busa with slip fit Weiscos, a ported head by a hick from Arkansas, and the intake cam mod. It made 209 on MSPs dyno 2 years ago, and 207 on a dyno here in town.( Iowa) so Fuck your 1397s. So spend your money on those BIG 1397s for the extra 3 HP.... This has run 8s with a 200lb rider.....
Something is escaping your attention......which is displacement. Mod for mod, the 1397 will always make at least 7% more HP than a stock bore. It is not coincidence that heavily street modded stock bores make around 185 while their big brothers make around 200 SAE, pump gas.
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The phrase "subtle as a brick " come to mind DF
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You all are as bunch of Morons, I have a 02 busa with slip fit Weiscos, a ported head by a hick from Arkansas, and the intake cam mod. It made 209 on MSPs dyno 2 years ago, and 207 on a dyno here in town.( Iowa) so Fuck your 1397s. So spend your money on those BIG 1397s for the extra 3 HP.... This has run 8s with a 200lb rider.....
Yeah, and you're running it on pure IOWA corn too :roll:
You are good, can't get nothing past you, You dont have to be a hater just because mine made the HP and yours dont. :beechug:
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You all are as bunch of Morons, I have a 02 busa with slip fit Weiscos, a ported head by a hick from Arkansas, and the intake cam mod. It made 209 on MSPs dyno 2 years ago, and 207 on a dyno here in town.( Iowa) so Fuck your 1397s. So spend your money on those BIG 1397s for the extra 3 HP.... This has run 8s with a 200lb rider.....
Yeah, and you're running it on pure IOWA corn too :roll:
You are good, can't get nothing past you, You dont have to be a hater just because mine made the HP and yours dont. :beechug:
That sounds like a line off that new tv show callled "pinks" :roll: :D :wink:
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You all are as bunch of Morons, I have a 02 busa with slip fit Weiscos, a ported head by a hick from Arkansas, and the intake cam mod. It made 209 on MSPs dyno 2 years ago, and 207 on a dyno here in town.( Iowa) so Fuck your 1397s. So spend your money on those BIG 1397s for the extra 3 HP.... This has run 8s with a 200lb rider.....
Why so angry? You made what you made - sounds like good numbers but that head is EXTENSIVELY ported - PS what cams you running?
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Not angry at all, pretty pleased to tell you the truth.. As far as the cams. Yosh intake, and a stock intake on the exhust side. Belive it or not it can be done, there are alot of guys out there getting 200hp on stock bore.
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TMH did a Mega 385's stock bore that made 189hp. So if you add a good ported head to the mix it should get you real close to 200hp.
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You all are as bunch of Morons, I have a 02 busa with slip fit Weiscos, a ported head by a hick from Arkansas, and the intake cam mod. It made 209 on MSPs dyno 2 years ago, and 207 on a dyno here in town.( Iowa) so Fuck your 1397s. So spend your money on those BIG 1397s for the extra 3 HP.... This has run 8s with a 200lb rider.....
Ya with 16: 1 compression maybe
You never do mention the CR of those Wiseco or whether the cylinder has been decked or the head milled. You also don't mention the fuel used. You do pass judgement on others quickly. Maybe those runs were on crystal meth- that's popular enough out there. God forbid you need over the counter for a cold. :roll:
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You are good, can't get nothing past you, You dont have to be a hater just because mine made the HP and yours dont. :beechug:
Oh yeah you make so much HP you can't keep it on the wheels. slide any busas down the road lately :lol: :wink:
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If I could harness some of this hostility, I think I could get 250+ on all motor and pump gas. :lol:
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I am not passing judgment just replying to a topic in which you all feel can not be done. 12.1 weisco pistons, .007 off the head, and VP MRX01, I got nothing to hide, unlike you Demon-little bitch - Busa, who hides behind a screen name and talks mad SHIT, So since you know I slide a busa, your can only be a hand full of people, and chances are I have a very good idea who you are but truley could give a shit.
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I am not passing judgment just replying to a topic in which you all feel can not be done. 12.1 weisco pistons, .007 off the head, and VP MRX01, I got nothing to hide, unlike you Demon-little bitch - Busa, who hides behind a screen name and talks mad SHIT, So since you know I slide a busa, your can only be a hand full of people, and chances are I have a very good idea who you are but truley could give a shit.
Ok.
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HOW MUCH TORQUE?????????
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Hey I guess I got the answers I wanted. Now all I have to do is get the builder to make the mods.
Thanks Guys
Fastturbobusa
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I have an 04 Busa with the full BDE system...what do I need to do to make an all motor 210+ HP on pump gas with daily driver reliability?
a ghetto stage 1 :lol:
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If i had a turbo on a busa it BETTER make around 350 hp.
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You all are as bunch of Morons, I have a 02 busa with slip fit Weiscos, a ported head by a hick from Arkansas, and the intake cam mod. It made 209 on MSPs dyno 2 years ago, and 207 on a dyno here in town.( Iowa) so Fuck your 1397s. So spend your money on those BIG 1397s for the extra 3 HP.... This has run 8s with a 200lb rider.....
IN YOUR DREAMS
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:stupid:
Dennis educate this idiot please
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:stupid:
Dennis educate this idiot please
Wouldn't even bother wasting your time. Got into it once on here about the very bike he is talking about and he wanted me to race him for $$ in GA. if i remember right, after he sold the bike to todd smith. Saw it run with a light weight and it did not touch 8s. Another person watched it run quite a few times and again, never touched 8s. In which case, his excuse was that he wasn't laying all his cards on the table when he ran at whatever track it was he ran at. :roll: