YA IM SHAKIN IN MY 500 HP SHOES
BIKE WILL BE ANOTHER FLOP IN THE LONG RUN
WITH THAT STUPID 1980S \ GP FRAME
Because you do not have a stock busa then you do not think like a stock busa owner. All you have done is add to my position. If your have super powers then you are immune to their ribbings but if you are stock then the world as you know it every day you wake up every where you go you will go knowing you once were top dog and are no longer
Mileagking, if you really think that zx14 looks better, you are on glue. :wink: Typical cobbled-together kawasaki sportbike. It may be a tad faster because of the new bigger engine, but Suzuki will not sit back and do nothing. Let's wait and see how this Kawi performs, and then Suzuki will update accordingly. If they have to at all.
Zx14 + turbo = yikes!
Zx14 + turbo = yikes!
Everyone will mock you your kids will no longer respect you. Think about it your kids having to admit their dad is slower than a Kawasaki. Them walking home getting ot your yard and there it is a fat slow busa how disgusting
Everyone will mock you your kids will no longer respect you. Think about it your kids having to admit their dad is slower than a Kawasaki.
A 1500 Busa with a warranty. :shock: That's my kind of Busa. Many wonder why I have my name. It was in anticipation of such an event as the release of a true superbike to dethrone the Busa like the ZX14! Not only will it be faster, but it is also sexier. The ZX14 makes the Busa look outdated. :lol2: :drink: :joker: I say this in preparation for the humiliation I am going to receive from the new owners of the KING of Superbikes-theZX14. Thanks for the warning Milageking. :wink:
I LIKE THE BLACK ZX10 BETTER
But i will tell you this, the busa cannot be called the Ugliest motorcycle on planet any longer. The new bug eyed ZX takes the cake with the 1990 style ferrrari testarossa bodywork ...
looks a lot better with the ATV exhaust removed.......
but no matter how you rearange the exhaust its still a kaw....
Yes its true my fellow busa brethren I am in love with an invader. A stealer of reputations a raper of all things we call dear I am loving the enemy. Even as your pants are being ripped downwards in preparation for the act your defiance ignored the ZX14 is coming and there is NOTHING you can do about it. I for one think its a much better looking machine I have absolutely no doubt that it will beat the Hayabusa to the rail bend it over and rape it savagely and repeatedly. And there is absolutely nothing you can do about it. The powers that be have sold you out given your respect and reputation away like old cam lobed shop rags. And there is absolutely nothing you can do about it.
Except turbocharge
Yes as I sit here my Busa brothers I laugh at the XX14 and its plans to Dethrone the mighty Busa to a tiny rather short place in history.
As the tables are being folded up and the banners torn down it doesn't bother me one fucking bit. Because my bike has a intercooled turbocharger.
I can beat anything they have with 5th gear 100mph plus power wheelies having the thing loose traction at over 100 is nothing the terrifyingly way over the top power preserves my place in history as the most powerful motherfucker around.
You can preserve your self respect its not too late. You too can buy your way off the loosing team.
Stand up straight and pull up your pants. Save yourself! make the call to Motorhead Turbocharge! its not too late Its your only chance.
God have mercy on your miss begotten lost souls if you do not heed my call.
hell a stock 1000 or most brands will already ass rape a stock busa as long as the 1000 rider is somewhat competent..
thats even more humiliating IMO to be beat up by the "little brother". :lol:
Pal I dont have to worry I HAVE the turbo their taunts will mean nothign to me You on the other hand may be bent over squeealing like a pig.Yes its true my fellow busa brethren I am in love with an invader. A stealer of reputations a raper of all things we call dear I am loving the enemy. Even as your pants are being ripped downwards in preparation for the act your defiance ignored the ZX14 is coming and there is NOTHING you can do about it. I for one think its a much better looking machine I have absolutely no doubt that it will beat the Hayabusa to the rail bend it over and rape it savagely and repeatedly. And there is absolutely nothing you can do about it. The powers that be have sold you out given your respect and reputation away like old cam lobed shop rags. And there is absolutely nothing you can do about it.
Except turbocharge
Yes as I sit here my Busa brothers I laugh at the XX14 and its plans to Dethrone the mighty Busa to a tiny rather short place in history.
As the tables are being folded up and the banners torn down it doesn't bother me one fucking bit. Because my bike has a intercooled turbocharger.
I can beat anything they have with 5th gear 100mph plus power wheelies having the thing loose traction at over 100 is nothing the terrifyingly way over the top power preserves my place in history as the most powerful motherfucker around.
You can preserve your self respect its not too late. You too can buy your way off the loosing team.
Stand up straight and pull up your pants. Save yourself! make the call to Motorhead Turbocharge! its not too late Its your only chance.
God have mercy on your miss begotten lost souls if you do not heed my call.
MK, you are way too LOCO
go home and change your underwear. If too worried, wear a buttplug.
:D
Pal I dont have to worry I HAVE the turbo their taunts will mean nothign to me You on the other hand may be bent over squeealing like a pig.Yes its true my fellow busa brethren I am in love with an invader. A stealer of reputations a raper of all things we call dear I am loving the enemy. Even as your pants are being ripped downwards in preparation for the act your defiance ignored the ZX14 is coming and there is NOTHING you can do about it. I for one think its a much better looking machine I have absolutely no doubt that it will beat the Hayabusa to the rail bend it over and rape it savagely and repeatedly. And there is absolutely nothing you can do about it. The powers that be have sold you out given your respect and reputation away like old cam lobed shop rags. And there is absolutely nothing you can do about it.
Except turbocharge
Yes as I sit here my Busa brothers I laugh at the XX14 and its plans to Dethrone the mighty Busa to a tiny rather short place in history.
As the tables are being folded up and the banners torn down it doesn't bother me one fucking bit. Because my bike has a intercooled turbocharger.
I can beat anything they have with 5th gear 100mph plus power wheelies having the thing loose traction at over 100 is nothing the terrifyingly way over the top power preserves my place in history as the most powerful motherfucker around.
You can preserve your self respect its not too late. You too can buy your way off the loosing team.
Stand up straight and pull up your pants. Save yourself! make the call to Motorhead Turbocharge! its not too late Its your only chance.
God have mercy on your miss begotten lost souls if you do not heed my call.
MK, you are way too LOCO
go home and change your underwear. If too worried, wear a buttplug.
:D
Unless you turbo that is....
So lets sum it up here:
Im Ok you are screwed once the oh so ugly ZX14 comes ass raping
Like I keep saying "If I wanted a FUCKING Kawasaki I would have bought a FUCKING Kawasaki"
ThanksLike I keep saying "If I wanted a FUCKING Kawasaki I would have bought a FUCKING Kawasaki"
LMFAO- I'm with you brother!!! End of story :D
I have a couple of questions:
What is it like to have a turbo in regards to touring down the highway? Is a turbo a bad thing for long distance touring?
If you install say, a ghetto kit on a busa, - can you choose a lower boost or a higher boost depending on your riding mood? Or is it once a turbo is installed, the boost is installed... and you are stuck with it.
I am figuring that if the answers to my questions are basically: Yeah, you go turbo, and forget the normality of riding how you used to...then I would see a zx14 or something that beats a stock busa as something worth having. And I would consider that installing a turbo on my busa to beat the zx14, would change my busa into something I dont know if I particularly want.
Anytime a stock bike comes out and trumps another stock bike, it should be considered the better bike. Just throwing a turbo on a, say... Plymouth Reliant K-car...doesn't make "K-Cars" faster than other fast sports cars...it just makes "that particular" K-car...faster.
IT ALWAYS HAS, AND ALWAYS WILL COME DOWN TO ONE THING.
RIDER.
(UNLESS YOU MEAN DRAG RACING, IN WHICH SKILL DOESNT MATTER :lol:)
[everybody knows who ever has the most power will win. right?]
I have a couple of questions:
What is it like to have a turbo in regards to touring down the highway? Is a turbo a bad thing for long distance touring?
If you install say, a ghetto kit on a busa, - can you choose a lower boost or a higher boost depending on your riding mood? Or is it once a turbo is installed, the boost is installed... and you are stuck with it.
I am figuring that if the answers to my questions are basically: Yeah, you go turbo, and forget the normality of riding how you used to...then I would see a zx14 or something that beats a stock busa as something worth having. And I would consider that installing a turbo on my busa to beat the zx14, would change my busa into something I dont know if I particularly want.
Anytime a stock bike comes out and trumps another stock bike, it should be considered the better bike. Just throwing a turbo on a, say... Plymouth Reliant K-car...doesn't make "K-Cars" faster than other fast sports cars...it just makes "that particular" K-car...faster.
I did this thing where I took quite a bit of time to write my feelings about the turbo was it here or Labusas? I can remember. I always thought there just wasnt enough written about what it feels like in the twisties but more importantly in your case what its like on the open road. maybe its still here I dont know I do think it was here is this place searchable now? I dont know. Thought it SW a good read.
We all can pretty much agree the busa controls the open road stock. People who think of the busa a a peaky revvy squid bike are so wrong and realize it when they hear that intake roar and the incredible 60-100 acceleration. Its a Bully bike the ultimate hot rod. On thing that made me sad was after installing the HMf Full system Before the turbo was loosing that beautiful intake roar. Best sound ever. This thing is a rock and roll ass kicking winner every time.
Now turbo charge that.
Yove gone from 156 hp at around 9000 rpms to 300hp around 9000 rpms but and this is important you are making 250 or so before you hit 7500 rpms...thats serious power.
as for seat of the pants what its like? for me and mine is stock no spacer so its a stock busa only better since Motorhead spent 4? hours mapping it Ill be out on the highway at 65 swing out hammer it and the chassis lift up the suspension so the front wheel is just hovering then it starts to REALLY pull youve now BLOWN by the tractor truck at hair raising 100 plus miles an hour and the speedometer is falling FAST 120,135,145 and you cant look anymore
the front end is up yes you are doing a low acceleration wheelie in 5th gear at over rational speeds off the gas you set it back down and youve overshot the tractor truck by a mile and you are hard on the brakes so you dont smash into the car very quickly closing...you breath again and think OK Ill do that again that was FUN FUN FUN another opening a downshift or two roll on the gas so the tank doesn't hit you and you've closed the next mile with canvas ripping violence. Its that way across state after state. You OWN the highway there is nothing else out there even remotely even CLOSE to your powers its just a joke you race a souped up 5.0 mustang? You never even SEE him again hes just GONE.
It really should not be legal.
And that R6 looks fun but it is still just a 600 no matter how you slice it....now if they would make their R1 turn some 15,500K and some balls down low then they might get my attention.
First it will have to prove itsself!!...And stay together..
Laugh at Me :shock: I doubt it..I will smoke them all!!
Ok..most!!! :lol: :lol:
oh BTW mileage, they have already started a recall list for the 14, seems kawasuki missed all of 2000... :drink:
oh BTW mileage, they have already started a recall list for the 14, seems kawasuki missed all of 2000... :drink:
What ever became of the Busa cracked frames issue?
WHAT CRACHED FRAME ISSUESoh BTW mileage, they have already started a recall list for the 14, seems kawasuki missed all of 2000... :drink:
What ever became of the Busa cracked frames issue?
oh BTW mileage, they have already started a recall list for the 14, seems kawasuki missed all of 2000... :drink:
What ever became of the Busa cracked frames issue?
oh BTW mileage, they have already started a recall list for the 14, seems kawasuki missed all of 2000... :drink:
What ever became of the Busa cracked frames issue?
There were some issues with the rear subframes when they were aluminum. I think all subframes are steel now.
Its funny though you know that feeling you have in the pit of your stomach that awful 2nd place no longer king of the castle once was feeling? Well I dont have it the zx14 is abstract information to me nothing more than little kiddies playing with their little toys.
Zx14 + turbo = yikes!
Zx14 + turbo = yikes!
with the integrated cases, the turbo option are going to be VERY limited....unless you dont mind hi-compression+turbo...
YA IM SHAKIN IN MY 500 HP SHOES:lmao: :lmao:
BIKE WILL BE ANOTHER FLOP IN THE LONG RUN
WITH THAT STUPID 1980S \ GP FRAME
It's going to be funny to see all the squids on zx-14's getting beat by Gixxer 600's. Happens all the time , slow people buy fast bikes, and are still slow. It's like the guy that spends all his money on mods when the real problem is his launch. I'm just hoping I can buy a couple of Busas cheap since they're so out dated. :P
It's going to be funny to see all the squids on zx-14's getting beat by Gixxer 600's. Happens all the time , slow people buy fast bikes, and are still slow. It's like the guy that spends all his money on mods when the real problem is his launch. I'm just hoping I can buy a couple of Busas cheap since they're so out dated. :P
I don't think too many people are going to sell the busa so they can purchase a 14, they would have bought a 12 if that were the case, if you ask me kawasaki bombed before they even released the 14, reasons....
a 10 hp increase over the 12 doesn't justify a the total retooling for sportbike/tourer or whatever its supposed to be....
kawasaki FAILED to launch any NEW technology to the sportbike industry or large CC sport/tourers....
kawasaki FAILED MISERABLY in the styling and aero department, in fact they reached back in time for the design...
the zx14 will not be as comfortable as the hayabusa for the simple reason it is not an isolated ride, ride the busa for 300 miles, then the 14 and you will FEEL the difference...
I wont even go into the fact kawasaki and magazines fail to imply the 14 has any type of handeling characteristics or that it will turn better lap times than the busa, hmmm?
the zx 14 compromises looks and comfort for a measly 10 hp?
the zx14 will not be as comfortable as the hayabusa for the simple reason it is not an isolated ride, ride the busa for 300 miles, then the 14 and you will FEEL the difference...
It's going to be funny to see all the squids on zx-14's getting beat by Gixxer 600's. Happens all the time , slow people buy fast bikes, and are still slow. It's like the guy that spends all his money on mods when the real problem is his launch. I'm just hoping I can buy a couple of Busas cheap since they're so out dated. :P
I don't think too many people are going to sell the busa so they can purchase a 14, they would have bought a 12 if that were the case, if you ask me kawasaki bombed before they even released the 14, reasons....
a 10 hp increase over the 12 doesn't justify a the total retooling for sportbike/tourer or whatever its supposed to be....
kawasaki FAILED to launch any NEW technology to the sportbike industry or large CC sport/tourers....
kawasaki FAILED MISERABLY in the styling and aero department, in fact they reached back in time for the design...
the zx14 will not be as comfortable as the hayabusa for the simple reason it is not an isolated ride, ride the busa for 300 miles, then the 14 and you will FEEL the difference...
I wont even go into the fact kawasaki and magazines fail to imply the 14 has any type of handeling characteristics or that it will turn better lap times than the busa, hmmm?
the zx 14 compromises looks and comfort for a measly 10 hp?
By the way you write, you'd think you've been doing some long term test on a ZX-14 that the factory must have sent you 6 months ago.Quotethe zx14 will not be as comfortable as the hayabusa for the simple reason it is not an isolated ride, ride the busa for 300 miles, then the 14 and you will FEEL the difference...
Now how in the hell would you know without riding one for 300 miles? :duh: :lol:
300 mile riding comparison? I have rode enough bikes to know that high compression motors vibrate more than low compression and typically make power at higher RPM, so typically thats where you are when cruising...
I also know the busa is isolated from the road AND the engine vibration, everyone knows that the majority of discomfort derived from riding sportbikes for long distances is in the wrists, add vibration and it compounds the discomfort, the busa has isolated grips minimizing vibration from the road and engine...
I rest my case...
MK, I am laughing so fuckin hard it hurts, but damn that shit is funny. ASS RAPED! ? LOL BAHAHAHAHAHA
That will last about 6 months until when the new 2007 SupeBusa comes out. Then ZX-14 guys will be sucking hind titty once again. :lol:
300 mile riding comparison? I have rode enough bikes to know that high compression motors vibrate more than low compression and typically make power at higher RPM, so typically thats where you are when cruising...
I also know the busa is isolated from the road AND the engine vibration, everyone knows that the majority of discomfort derived from riding sportbikes for long distances is in the wrists, add vibration and it compounds the discomfort, the busa has isolated grips minimizing vibration from the road and engine...
I rest my case...
I'm sure Kawasaki has addressed everything in that department. I bet the reviews are alot better from the experts who actually test bikes for a living than the (biased) "reviews" from your keyboard. :lol:
300 mile riding comparison? I have rode enough bikes to know that high compression motors vibrate more than low compression and typically make power at higher RPM, so typically thats where you are when cruising...
I also know the busa is isolated from the road AND the engine vibration, everyone knows that the majority of discomfort derived from riding sportbikes for long distances is in the wrists, add vibration and it compounds the discomfort, the busa has isolated grips minimizing vibration from the road and engine...
I rest my case...
I'm sure Kawasaki has addressed everything in that department. I bet the reviews are alot better from the experts who actually test bikes for a living than the (biased) "reviews" from your keyboard. :lol:
well who would you be without your ignorant sarcasm?
kawasaki didnt address the situation, SOLID mounted rear sets and clamp ons.... do you need to be a rocket scientist or even ride one to know for sure which grips will absorb the least amount of vibration?
dang scotty you need an ol' lady so you have something legitimate to argue about without making yourself look like a retard all the time... :shock:
300 mile riding comparison? I have rode enough bikes to know that high compression motors vibrate more than low compression and typically make power at higher RPM, so typically thats where you are when cruising...
I also know the busa is isolated from the road AND the engine vibration, everyone knows that the majority of discomfort derived from riding sportbikes for long distances is in the wrists, add vibration and it compounds the discomfort, the busa has isolated grips minimizing vibration from the road and engine...
I rest my case...
I'm sure Kawasaki has addressed everything in that department. I bet the reviews are alot better from the experts who actually test bikes for a living than the (biased) "reviews" from your keyboard. :lol:
well who would you be without your ignorant sarcasm?
kawasaki didn't address the situation, SOLID mounted rear sets and clamp ons.... do you need to be a rocket scientist or even ride one to know for sure which grips will absorb the least amount of vibration?
dang scotty you need an ol' lady so you have something legitimate to argue about without making yourself look like a retard all the time... :shock:
LOL!! ... dude, you haven't heard anything from real world testing yet and you certainly haven't rode one yourself. I think I'll wait for the experts judgement on it all, not some anti-Kawasaki clown like yourself.:duh:
BTW, my ol' lady understands some of this shit better than you sometimes. :lol2:
This posted by Ricky Gadson on Psychobike Forums...
Last night I ran 9.02 on the 1st run missing a high gear shift, then backed that up with a 8.94@154.
1.46
3.83
5.78@126
8.94 @ 154.36
swingarm at 3.5 inches over
lowered
Muzzys pipe
MR9 VP
-1 tooth on countershaft
THATS IT...................................PERIOD!!!! Ricky G
It Looks like the zx14 with just some bolt on is no joke for sure... I have seen more than one turbo Busa at the track that didn't or can't run them numbers....So even with a Turbo you better be able to ride that puppy.....
0_O can 10HP from *quote* stock *unquote* motor deliver 8.9? If thats all, no comment for the rest of the subject.I see you are from FL? If you are i would be happy to do a roll on run or 1/4 mile run a BMP when my zx14 shows up ...Should be a good race with the zx14 making 168 hp ( brocks numbers) and your making 169 hp ....Sounds like fun ....
I dynoed 169 with full Yoshi system, K&N, Pair and Smart TRE at lakeland Stuntwars
Well you better have a talk with Brock also , he feels the zx14 is the busa beater and he is a zook guy is he not? Twisted say whatever makes you feel better is fine with me ....I have owned all brands and loved all of them and unlike you i will not bash other brands of motorcycles to make mine look better ... Have a great day....
The zx14 is not in the same class of bikes as a gixxer or a zx10 ..Why compare apples to oranges? Never mind don't answer that i have read your post about that before...ZZZZZZzzzzzzZZZZZWell you better have a talk with Brock also , he feels the zx14 is the busa beater and he is a zook guy is he not? Twisted say whatever makes you feel better is fine with me ....I have owned all brands and loved all of them and unlike you i will not bash other brands of motorcycles to make mine look better ... Have a great day....
I am just saying it how it is, can the 14 with just pipe do 8s?
is the 14 isolated from vibration?
seems like there are a lot of people confused about the definition of constructive criticism and bashing, I am backing my respons with logical data, why do I have to be the bad guy because the 14 falls short of amazing?
BTW, the 14 will never ever be half the bike my gixxer is.... it has won 6 straight AMA championships and WSB last year not to mention many many local championships....
This is nothing more than a repeat Bull ___ when the ZX-12 was about to come out. blah blah ... Followed by fake Numbers and some more blah blah blah...So i take it you don't want to have a friendy race???
kk.. sorry. I'm getting all worked up about nothing. I'll be in Naples on the 14th Friday. They have a BLAH 1/8 but it's cheap fun and well it's just fun. My bike is still currently out of order *CRY* but i'm hoping in the next few weeks to have it with fairings. So i'll be pimping a 600 for the next few weeks *Sigh*Hope you get your bike back soon ... I know how you feel , right now i'm bikeless too .. Last Thursday at BMP i broke 3 gear in my zrx1200 ..... Oh well if you race things break ...Thats why they call it drag racing ... sometimes it's a drag ...
The zx14 is not in the same class of bikes as a gixxer or a zx10 ..Why compare apples to oranges? Never mind don't answer that i have read your post about that before...ZZZZZZzzzzzzZZZZZWell you better have a talk with Brock also , he feels the zx14 is the busa beater and he is a zook guy is he not? Twisted say whatever makes you feel better is fine with me ....I have owned all brands and loved all of them and unlike you i will not bash other brands of motorcycles to make mine look better ... Have a great day....
I am just saying it how it is, can the 14 with just pipe do 8s?
is the 14 isolated from vibration?
seems like there are a lot of people confused about the definition of constructive criticism and bashing, I am backing my respons with logical data, why do I have to be the bad guy because the 14 falls short of amazing?
BTW, the 14 will never ever be half the bike my gixxer is.... it has won 6 straight AMA championships and WSB last year not to mention many many local championships....
Twisted this a a write up by an avg Joe that got a chance to go to Vegas and ride the zx14... From the sound of his story and other ride reviews i have read the zx14 is just as good as or better the Busa for long rides....The zx14 is not in the same class of bikes as a gixxer or a zx10 ..Why compare apples to oranges? Never mind don't answer that i have read your post about that before...ZZZZZZzzzzzzZZZZZWell you better have a talk with Brock also , he feels the zx14 is the busa beater and he is a zook guy is he not? Twisted say whatever makes you feel better is fine with me ....I have owned all brands and loved all of them and unlike you i will not bash other brands of motorcycles to make mine look better ... Have a great day....
I am just saying it how it is, can the 14 with just pipe do 8s?
is the 14 isolated from vibration?
seems like there are a lot of people confused about the definition of constructive criticism and bashing, I am backing my respons with logical data, why do I have to be the bad guy because the 14 falls short of amazing?
BTW, the 14 will never ever be half the bike my gixxer is.... it has won 6 straight AMA championships and WSB last year not to mention many many local championships....
your the one that said I am bashing the 14 to boast my bike?
I am only pointing out the shortcomings of the 14 and in what areas it pales in compared to the hayabusa...
the hayabusa will be a superior long distance motorcycle, and obviously since kawasaki or anyone else fails to recognize it as a superior handling bike I am saying the busa will do a better job in a long distance or short distance twisty ride, I say it handles better...
however, I will concede the 14 is slightly quicker in the 1/4 mile, not that that has anything to do with anything?
shall we venture into styling and modern technology, after all the 14 is 7 yrs newer than the busa, in all honesty it should be ahead somewhat in the TECHNOLOGY department? what say ye?
um, he said "no irritating vibration was apparent at cruising speed" he didn't say "little" vibration or "no" vibration in the wrists at all RPMs he said no irritating vibrations coming from the engine at cruising, in fact he didn't even mention the irritating vibration ... as we all know with the busa there is "no" or "little" vibration at the wrist as its isolated....Well having owened two Busas myself a 99 and a 05 i can tell you this,I had irritating vibration in the pegs on both bikes ...Not to bad in the handle bars but it did have some vibration at the 3500 to 4500 range...The wind screen buzzed so bad from vibration I had to do what all Busa owners have done and add some tape or foam around the edge of the screen...My wrists on my Busas would kill me after an hour, the bike was in need of risers and a lot of busa owners feel that way..I'm not knocking the Busa here, i feel that the busa is one of the best motorcycles i have ever owned and i have owned hundreds of bikes in my 38 years of riding..I think the Busa is and will be a high water mark in history of motorcycles ... But this does not mean that it will never be topped and i feel that the zx14 will do just that ..I has been said the zx14 is much like the zzr1200 in seating and comfort of riding and if you ever took the time to read what the owners of the zzr1200 on zzr1200.com had to say about their bikes you would understand why they ride a zzr and not a Busa for long rides..Twisted i feel that you make statements with no facts and others on this board feel the same way about your statements... I think you should take the time and do some reading on the zx14, there is pleanty to read about this bike.. I also feel that you should at your first chance take a ride on the zx14 and ride it for what it was built for,the zx14 was built to be a good all around bike, not the best of everything but good for all types or riding and that's not an easy thing to do as you know... After you ride the bike you will be able to make statement that will have some impact with others riders....As of now your are just flapping your gums for no reason...When i get my zx14 i will be happy to give you my report, good or bad....I like others have hopes that zook will update the Busa for 07 or 08 because i change bike every fews years and i'm allways looking for the next big bang for the buck... God i love motorcycles!!! In 79 my gs1000 was one geat bike and i felt it could get no better till i rode a GS1100 ... Same way i felt about my 1969 H1 trip till the Z1 900 showed up....
he also said, "throwing" the 14 into turns, which isn't a statement indicative of, "simply tilt your head and the bike follows"...
they didn't mention how far they went or how the bike compared to the hayabusa..... my guess....
(http://www2p.biglobe.ne.jp/~bears/bike.gif)<---------- zx14:D<----------------hayabusa
and each zx-14 comes with a small asian lady to keep your bike clean and fueled and tech'd
(http://emmanuellevar.free.fr/ZZR%201400/photos%20from%20JAPAN/riders%20club/ridersclub%201.jpg)
300 mile riding comparison? I have rode enough bikes to know that high compression motors vibrate more than low compression and typically make power at higher RPM, so typically thats where you are when cruising...
I also know the busa is isolated from the road AND the engine vibration, everyone knows that the majority of discomfort derived from riding sportbikes for long distances is in the wrists, add vibration and it compounds the discomfort, the busa has isolated grips minimizing vibration from the road and engine...
I rest my case...
I'm sure Kawasaki has addressed everything in that department. I bet the reviews are alot better from the experts who actually test bikes for a living than the (biased) "reviews" from your keyboard. :lol:
well who would you be without your ignorant sarcasm?
kawasaki didn't address the situation, SOLID mounted rear sets and clamp ons.... do you need to be a rocket scientist or even ride one to know for sure which grips will absorb the least amount of vibration?
dang scotty you need an ol' lady so you have something legitimate to argue about without making yourself look like a retard all the time... :shock:
LOL!! ... dude, you haven't heard anything from real world testing yet and you certainly haven't rode one yourself. I think I'll wait for the experts judgement on it all, not some anti-Kawasaki clown like yourself.:duh:
BTW, my ol' lady understands some of this shit better than you sometimes. :lol2:
dood, heres proof you don't know shit about bikes!
do you even know what "isolated" means? do you even know "how" the busa is isolated from road and engine vibration?
all you ever talk is rhetoric, and for why? whats your point? you argue about shit you know nothing about and act as if what you say is GOD?
do you even know how ridiculous you look to the people that know what I am talking about? the same people that tear bikes apart for a living and then ride those bikes?
the 14 is NOT an isolated ride, the busa IS, why would anyone need to ride either to know which equates to less vibration being transferred to your wrists and feet?
the answer, you don't need to ride either bike to know, unless your a nit, such as yourself... :wink:
"Squirrel"
"Idiot"
"Bonehead"
Would it be possible to debate LIKE adults and keep the name-calling out of it?!!!
I don't care what you two go back and forth on, but isn't it possible to do this without the adolescent language that degrades your point to high school levels?
State the facts. Keep it in check.
:shock:
"Squirrel"
"Idiot"
"Bonehead"
Would it be possible to debate LIKE adults and keep the name-calling out of it?!!!
I don't care what you two go back and forth on, but isn't it possible to do this without the adolescent language that degrades your point to high school levels?
State the facts. Keep it in check.
:shock:
Yeah ... OK, squirrel ... after Twisted drops his arrogant fuckin' attitude. :P :yes: Go read his shit and tell me he’s not being an ass. He gets these “descriptors” based on his bullshit. Now go bake a cake “mother”. :lol:
dood, how do I know the 14 isnt isolated? I saw one at the bike show, it has clip ons and solid mounted rear sets, the busa does not have clip ons or solid mounted rear sets...
its a no brainer as to which style reduces vibration, a no brainer...
"Squirrel"
"Idiot"
"Bonehead"
Would it be possible to debate LIKE adults and keep the name-calling out of it?!!!
I don't care what you two go back and forth on, but isn't it possible to do this without the adolescent language that degrades your point to high school levels?
State the facts. Keep it in check.
:shock:
Yeah ... OK, squirrel ... after Twisted drops his arrogant fuckin' attitude. :P :yes: Go read his shit and tell me he’s not being an ass. He gets these “descriptors” based on his bullshit. Now go bake a cake “mother”. :lol:
descriptors?
based on BS?
so its your opinion the busa is not an isolated ride and the 14 is? :duh:
scotty, you're reaching.... :wink:
also, I am entitled to my opinion comandant....
dood, how do I know the 14 isnt isolated? I saw one at the bike show, it has clip ons and solid mounted rear sets, the busa does not have clip ons or solid mounted rear sets...
its a no brainer as to which style reduces vibration, a no brainer...
So, you didn't answer me WHY Kawi elected to no isolate the rider from the bike. There is a reason why they didn't put rubber bushings on the peg and bar mounts. Take a guess ... there IS a reason.
And Cookie ... stop reading Buda and doing Yoga ... don't worry, your buddy can take care of himself he gets into the “ass mode”. :P
is the 14 isolated from vibration?
Twisted this a a write up by an avg Joe that got a chance to go to Vegas and ride the zx14... From the sound of his story and other ride reviews i have read the zx14 is just as good as or better the Busa for long rides....
It was dry and sunny as we headed out from the track and merged onto the Interstate. The bike felt light yet planted. We settled into traffic and spent some time straight line droning down the superslab. This gave me a chance to experiment a bit with the 14. The first thing I found out was that first gear tops out at about 86 mph. Next was wind protection, which was excellent. I’m a tall rider (6’3”) and I had no issues with buffeting or wind. Across part of the desert we experienced extremely strong gusts of wind including cross winds that meant that we had to ride in a straight line, leaned over. Still no problem for the 14 though some gusts were strong enough to blow me sideways across my lane. There were no irritating vibrations from the engine at cruising speed.
Comfort wise the seat was extremely nice. I could have ridden for hours, or days. The view from the mirrors was clear and unobstructed. Tucking behind the windscreen was easy and Kawasaki even included a neat little chin shaped indentation in the tank that fit my AGV helmet perfectly. The 14 ate up the miles with ease. After the drone we approached our turnoff and headed towards the Valley of Fire State Park.
The access road began to twist itself into the sort of place we’d hit for a nice summer rip. Even though this wasn’t going to be a high speed balls out run as the State Patrol and Park Rangers were aware of our presence, we still had a few chances to have some fun. This gave me a chance to get a real feel for the Ninja. Getting on the brakes showed nothing but ample stopping power. The brakes had plenty of grab. Excellent and instant feel from the direct action front master cylinder.
Throwing the bike into the corners was a treat. Though this big bike is no ZX-10R, it is a capable canyon carver and definitely not an armful like the ZX-12R. Rolling on and off the throttle gave smooth and seamless response. No abruptness, not even a hiccup from the new fuel injection system.
Through rough sections of rippled pavement the bike handled very nicely. The suspension absorbed the rough road and was never upset. We passed through some very big dips in the road at speed and the bike had no problems dealing with them. The suspension did not bottom out.
In the tight 15 mph twisties the only problem I had (as I mentioned earlier) was metering the power. The disarming and easy to ride nature of this bike makes you forget very quickly just how much stomp is inside the thing. Be very very careful giving it gas or you will go down. Don’t doubt the fact that this bike makes big power, enough to really hurt you and your body if not used correctly.
I hate to repeat myself, but I can’t stress enough how smoothly the power is put down and how it creeps up on you. You’ll be riding along minding your own business enjoying yourself and you will forget that this is a monster of an engine. Be forewarned; as mild mannered as the bike may seem on the surface, a turn of too much gas on this bike at the wrong time will spell disaster.
The Valley of Fire was wonderful and the views breathtaking. I couldn’t help but think to myself that this was exactly what this bike was made to do - Lose yourself in the experience, the view and the road.
After a brief stop we turned and headed back. I couldn’t have had a better day.
"Squirrel"
"Idiot"
"Bonehead"
Would it be possible to debate LIKE adults and keep the name-calling out of it?!!!
I don't care what you two go back and forth on, but isn't it possible to do this without the adolescent language that degrades your point to high school levels?
State the facts. Keep it in check.
:shock:
Yeah ... OK, squirrel ... after Twisted drops his arrogant fuckin' attitude. :P :yes: Go read his shit and tell me he’s not being an ass. He gets these “descriptors” based on his bullshit. Now go bake a cake “mother”. :lol:
descriptors?
based on BS?
so its your opinion the busa is not an isolated ride and the 14 is? :duh:
scotty, you're reaching.... :wink:
You mis-read that TOTALLY! NO -- I call you those things when you get this ASS ATTITUDE that only YOU know shit.
Of course I KNOW the Busa has rubber mounted peg brackets and bar bracket :duh: ... you should know I know the fucker inside and out.
dood, how do I know the 14 isnt isolated? I saw one at the bike show, it has clip ons and solid mounted rear sets, the busa does not have clip ons or solid mounted rear sets...
its a no brainer as to which style reduces vibration, a no brainer...
So, you didn't answer me WHY Kawi elected to no isolate the rider from the bike. There is a reason why they didn't put rubber bushings on the peg and bar mounts. Take a guess ... there IS a reason.
And Cookie ... stop reading Buda and doing Yoga ... don't worry, your buddy can take care of himself he gets into the “ass mode”. :P
why kawasaki elected not to isolate?
why am I supposed to answer that?
what does their logic have to do with function?
"Squirrel"
"Idiot"
"Bonehead"
Would it be possible to debate LIKE adults and keep the name-calling out of it?!!!
I don't care what you two go back and forth on, but isn't it possible to do this without the adolescent language that degrades your point to high school levels?
State the facts. Keep it in check.
:shock:
Yeah ... OK, squirrel ... after Twisted drops his arrogant fuckin' attitude. :P :yes: Go read his shit and tell me he’s not being an ass. He gets these “descriptors” based on his bullshit. Now go bake a cake “mother”. :lol:
descriptors?
based on BS?
so its your opinion the busa is not an isolated ride and the 14 is? :duh:
scotty, you're reaching.... :wink:
You mis-read that TOTALLY! NO -- I call you those things when you get this ASS ATTITUDE that only YOU know shit.
Of course I KNOW the Busa has rubber mounted peg brackets and bar bracket :duh: ... you should know I know the fucker inside and out.
dood, you're the one saying there is no way I can tell what bike is more comfortable on the long run because I havnt rode the 14, I explained it to you why, my reasoning is logical and morover RIGHT, and you still claim its BS, I think your only purpose here is to claim no one knows anything except you, simply NOT TRUE...
dood, you respond to other peoples post without reading the post? I stated the only advantages to having solid mounted rear sets and clip ons vs an isolated ride...
and why are you trying to confuse the issue as to "why" kawasaki did what they did as if it has relevance, it doesn't....
and NO you don't have to ride either bike to know an isolated bike has LESS vibration to the wrists than a non-isolated bike, engine vibration isn't the only source of vibration, but i guess you already know that...
dood you always side track when you realize your wrong, who gives a ratts why kawasaki SAYS they did it or "what" there reasons are, its insignificant...
it doesn't matter, THE FACTS ARE ISOLATED GRIPS WILL ABSORB LESS "ROAD AND ENGINE" VIBRATION THAN NON ISOLATED....
end of story, I am right and you are wrong, absolutely nothing hinges on the logic of why kawasaki did what they did... nothing!
the busa rider will absorb less vibration than a 14 rider... TRUTH
dood, dual balancers wont account for shit, its a feeble attempt from kawasaki to eliminate vibration from an engine they know will produce major amounts of vibration, large CC high compression engines always do, most of this bikes power will be in the upper range as well so expect even more vibration...
one more time, lets scratch engine vibration completely.................................. take it out of the equation.
there is no way to reduce vibration from the road via setup, some tires absorb more vibration than others but thats all you can do for road vibration other than isolating the grips and pegs from the road, and thats what suzuki has done, kawasaki didn't, the busa rider will absorb less vibration than the 14 rider will and absolutely none of it depends on kawasakis reasoning for not isolating the ride.... none
end of lesson, now students if you'll turn your book to chapter 4, we'll learn why wheelbase x rake and trail determines how a sportbike steers....
I have to admit: These ZX-14 threads are a nice change from the 2007 Hayabusa rumor threads with the same photochop pics posted again and again. :D
dood, dual balancers wont account for shit, its a feeble attempt from kawasaki to eliminate vibration from an engine they know will produce major amounts of vibration, large CC high compression engines always do, most of this bikes power will be in the upper range as well so expect even more vibration...
one more time, lets scratch engine vibration completely.................................. take it out of the equation.
there is no way to reduce vibration from the road via setup, some tires absorb more vibration than others but thats all you can do for road vibration other than isolating the grips and pegs from the road, and thats what suzuki has done, kawasaki didn't, the busa rider will absorb less vibration than the 14 rider will and absolutely none of it depends on kawasakis reasoning for not isolating the ride.... none
end of lesson, now students if you'll turn your book to chapter 4, we'll learn why wheelbase x rake and trail determines how a sportbike steers....
You can postulate all ya want about the real level of vibration (without riding one or reading any reviews), but the real test is from on the bike or from people who actually ride it ... not from your biased, limited knowledge of the issues. :lol:
dood, dual balancers wont account for shit, its a feeble attempt from kawasaki to eliminate vibration from an engine they know will produce major amounts of vibration, large CC high compression engines always do, most of this bikes power will be in the upper range as well so expect even more vibration...
one more time, lets scratch engine vibration completely.................................. take it out of the equation.
there is no way to reduce vibration from the road via setup, some tires absorb more vibration than others but thats all you can do for road vibration other than isolating the grips and pegs from the road, and thats what suzuki has done, kawasaki didn't, the busa rider will absorb less vibration than the 14 rider will and absolutely none of it depends on kawasakis reasoning for not isolating the ride.... none
end of lesson, now students if you'll turn your book to chapter 4, we'll learn why wheelbase x rake and trail determines how a sportbike steers....
You can postulate all ya want about the real level of vibration (without riding one or reading any reviews), but the real test is from on the bike or from people who actually ride it ... not from your biased, limited knowledge of the issues. :lol:
dumbass, its not postulation....
picture this, a zx 14 and a busa atop a long steep hill looking down an asphalt road....
do not start the bikes, put a device on each bar on each bike that measures vibration, roll the bikes down the hill, DO NOT START THE BIKES COAST THEM...
the reading from the kawasaki WILL be higher than the busa simply because the busa is ISOLATED and the cow is not...
if you think you need to go to college to figure this out you went to the wrong college....
kawasaki has no way to smooth out the road before the 14 tires roll over it then return it back to its original state before the busa rolls over it, except in your world where everything is skewed and distorted to fit into your imagination and fantasies...
I am right and you are wrong, simple...
if you have any scientific or real world data to dispute my logic, post up, and I hope we don't have to get into the scientific reasons how rubber absorbs vibration... :roll:
bring it scotty, your every word defines your ignorance... :wink:
so now according to your logic rubber doesnt absorb vibration? hmmm, very smart scotty... (http://cipher.addf.net/forums/html/emoticons/jackoff.gif)
um, road vibration is compounded by MPH, most likely the 14 riders will experince less becasue they wont be going as fast cuz their wrists are too limp.... :wink::P :wink:
"Squirrel"
"Idiot"
"Bonehead"
Would it be possible to debate LIKE adults and keep the name-calling out of it?!!!
I don't care what you two go back and forth on, but isn't it possible to do this without the adolescent language that degrades your point to high school levels?
State the facts. Keep it in check.
:shock:
Yeah ... OK, squirrel ... after Twisted drops his arrogant fuckin' attitude. :P :yes: Go read his shit and tell me he’s not being an ass. He gets these “descriptors” based on his bullshit. Now go bake a cake “mother”. :lol:
Again with the hostility. :roll:
Someone needs a little sit-down and talk. :roll: Really. Adjust, man, adjust.
Breath in! Breath out! Let it all go! This too shall pass! In the grand scheme of things,, you really do matter! Tell yourself, Scott, it will all be okay in the end.
There can be no inhale with the exhale. Unless you are not of this world.
Relax and breath,,,,, just breath!
Or you could be like me and not give one shit at all about who wins. :shock:
:o
Just relax and relax even more. We have not seen any of the shootouts that most magazines do when something like this is upon us. I cannot wait for the first one, and what if it is faster? Had history not taught us anything? What can you say about Kawasaki that is inspiring and long run? That my friends is nothing. Let's wait for the tests to come in and the performance and reliability reports. I love my Hayabusa, so much that I got me a new one and I for one do not care about what Kawi is doing to try and take the fastest title back, they are all restricted from the factory and since then, the hayabusa will always be the fastest production bike ever built.
my $0.02
I did some roll ons against the ZX 14 with my 05 busa and I've driven it and it is faster,both bikes have a muzzy pipe,pc3,stock gearing.We went from 2nd gear 5500 rpm,anything less and the busa jumps out a bike or two,we stayed together through 2nd,shifted 3rd and the ZX 14 started to creep away and got worse as we shifted into 4th shut down at the top of 4th but the 14 would have kept pulling.I wanted to go on the highway 2nd to 6th but we didn't get a chance,next time we will and I'll give you the low down,but all I can say is the 14 is faster has more neutral steering at low speeds and better brakes and is much smoother trans and motor(dual counter balanced),the busa has more low end grunt,handles better at speed and is way better looking and more comfortable for a passenger(that came from two chicks who rode them back to back)pretty much what the mags say,170 hp against 184 hp both having pipes,do the math,the 14 has to be faster.
I did some roll ons against the ZX 14 with my 05 busa and I've driven it and it is faster,both bikes have a muzzy pipe,pc3,stock gearing.We went from 2nd gear 5500 rpm,anything less and the busa jumps out a bike or two,we stayed together through 2nd,shifted 3rd and the ZX 14 started to creep away and got worse as we shifted into 4th shut down at the top of 4th but the 14 would have kept pulling.I wanted to go on the highway 2nd to 6th but we didn't get a chance,next time we will and I'll give you the low down,but all I can say is the 14 is faster has more neutral steering at low speeds and better brakes and is much smoother trans and motor(dual counter balanced),the busa has more low end grunt,handles better at speed and is way better looking and more comfortable for a passenger(that came from two chicks who rode them back to back)pretty much what the mags say,170 hp against 184 hp both having pipes,do the math,the 14 has to be faster.