well now that thats done we will let the aftermarket decide WHO is king
cause last time i checked not many people are leaving their bikes stock
if its suppose to be the most powerful kawi engine to date..it should have no problem running a lower number (1/4 mile) then the 12r, and Im sure for the first major test in the mags Kawi will get the best rider, best bike..monday bike, and make enough runs till they get a faster time....numbers sell bikes and with those looks its goign to need a good number....I predict 9.7
those results dont really say much at all?WHAT? 2/10's and 3 to 4 mph is a huge difference.
so a drag racer did runs on two stock sport touring bikes? wht does that tell you? they are basically equal at drag racing and one bike is slightly quicker?
posting drag racing results for these two bikes then saying one can still contend with the other is like saying you can use horse shit as an explosive, sure it works but horse shit is better used as a fertilizer.... :roll:
neither bike was designed for drag racing, they are both sport touring bikes, lets see them tested for their intended use, if you dont know how thats done, I can handle it... :wink:
those results dont really say much at all?WHAT? 2/10's and 3 to 4 mph is a huge difference.
so a drag racer did runs on two stock sport touring bikes? wht does that tell you? they are basically equal at drag racing and one bike is slightly quicker?
posting drag racing results for these two bikes then saying one can still contend with the other is like saying you can use horse shit as an explosive, sure it works but horse shit is better used as a fertilizer.... :roll:
neither bike was designed for drag racing, they are both sport touring bikes, lets see them tested for their intended use, if you dont know how thats done, I can handle it... :wink:
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I think the 02 SE is going up for sale..time for a change.
So what, we should let Matt mladin do dragstrip testing for them? Most people I know drag there Busas so that's why we want those numbers. 1/4 mile times sell sportbikes and sportscars for that matter. If I want a touring bike I will buy a goldwing...
Suzuki better unveil their new secret weapon ... they knew the ZX-14 was coming a long time ago I'd bet. New Busa on the horizon to compete IMO. :yes:
In the mean time, we'll have to listen to the ZX squirrels enjoy their 4 months of glory. :lol2:
and remember scotty 1/4 mile times sell the z06, not lap times! and beware of the mighty 14, your about to be passed... :lmao:
8.7S WITH BOLTONS THATS SOMETHING EVEN STAGE1 TURBOS DONT RUN:shock: :shock:
TRAPSPEEDS 150+ :shock:
I'm glad they included those MODS numbers because I wasn't very impressed by the stock numbers. If someone with some skill on a Busa (or ZX-10R, GSX-R1000) challenges you, you're going to be in for a long day unless your skills are up to par.
nothing will help the 14 against a gixxer, why do you think they gave a bike to a straight line guy and not the editors of the U.K magazines? why do you think they haven't released the wheelbase and weight numbers?
because they are trying to hype it up with a straight line number in a 1/4 mile then drop the bomb on you after they catch your attention...
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:lmao:
nothing will help the 14 against a gixxer, why do you think they gave a bike to a straight line guy and not the editors of the U.K magazines? why do you think they haven't released the wheelbase and weight numbers?
because they are trying to hype it up with a straight line number in a 1/4 mile then drop the bomb on you after they catch your attention...
As usual, the lack of logic and knowledge shows. The ZX-14 isn't in the same class as an R1 or GSX-R1000. It's in the same class as the Hayabusa ... a big sport touring bike. The Hayabusa is one of the best platforms for a drag bike ... and so will be the ZX-14. It will probably handle the backroads just as well too. Kawasaki is going after the Hayabusa's market ... anyone who knows anything about bikes should realize that. :yes:
yea scotty your the only one that knows anything, I forgot that... :roll:
another feeble attempt at interpreting someones post then adding your thoughts on what you think someone is saying... :duh: get a grip man, or you tell me why kawasaki hasn't released the weight and wheelbase numbers?
these fucking bikes aren't designed or built for any "drag racing platforms" they are road bikes, high performance sport touring bikes, Kawasaki taunted the fucking 14 as a "superbike" go look at their website...
the huge majority of the people that buy these bikes wont drag race them, they will use them for their intended use, sport touring, the rest of the world rides scotty, most of the REAL posers are in the U.S. but you wouldn't know anythingabout that would you?
I never claimed to know shit about bikes, I just ride them like I do...
now lets hear your interpretation of what I am saying here...
I don't drag race, I ride twisties. The 14 looks like it's backing up the hype in a straight line. I'd like to see a real world road test see how it does in the twisties before I make any designs.
I know how the Busa handles the curves and I have been so happy with it that I made it my track bike.
I liked the 14 from the start ( I've sworn no allegiance. I owned a 12 before the Busa and loved it too) and I've been seriously considering it for my "touring" bike. You know, the bike for the real world to take the wife with me on a long trip (sorry, I know you guys hate the 14's seat, but I'm sure the little woman will be comfy on it.)
I hear a lot of scared Busa owners on this board, and some that are ready to jump ship now that the #'s are out.
You guys are funny. :lol:
I clearly made a point specific thread for you two :arrow: :arrow: THE OFFICIAL - Busa@11k & Twisted BASH Thread (http://www.suzukihayabusa.org/forum/index.php?topic=66378.0)
Would you two take it over there, for god's sake! :roll:
who fucking said they didn't work as drag bikes? a fucking moped will work as a drag bike...
they are sport touring bikes, kawasaki claims the 14 is a superbike, world SUPERBIKE uses 1000s in the class so does AMA SUPERBIKE, flame kawasaki they said it...
you are trying to turn this into something it isn't, as usual...
my POINT IS, a fucking run on a drag strip don't mean shit! these are road bikes, just like the gixxer, if ricky wants to bring it to a road course I will see what I can do about getting a stock busa to show him WHAT A PIG THE 14 REALLY IS if that will make you happy scotty...
think about it? do you really think kawasaki needs ricky to test the bike? you don't think kawasaki has their own proving grounds? only the largest in the world..
do you really think kawasaki hasn't had the bike on a road course yet? of course they have, and they know the busa will rip it, thats why they brought it to the states and put it on a drag strip before they release the "road" specs, they are looking for a few suckers to buy into it, apparently they found a few....
damn scotty you're behaving just like a fucking woman...
read what kawasaki says about the bike and tell me what YOU think they are saying... fuck me!
http://www.kawasaki.com/product_category.asp?category=2&tag=motorcycle
yea, scotty got nutt'n better to do than try and twist my every word, unfortunately for him I am way to clever for schoolboy tricks...
(http://home.cfl.rr.com/jheinsen/Forum/kneel.gif)What is that?
Squids worshipping a... DOG!
who fucking said they didn't work as drag bikes? a fucking moped will work as a drag bike...
they are sport touring bikes, kawasaki claims the 14 is a superbike, world SUPERBIKE uses 1000s in the class so does AMA SUPERBIKE, flame kawasaki they said it...
you are trying to turn this into something it isn't, as usual...
my POINT IS, a fucking run on a drag strip don't mean shit! these are road bikes, just like the gixxer, if ricky wants to bring it to a road course I will see what I can do about getting a stock busa to show him WHAT A PIG THE 14 REALLY IS if that will make you happy scotty...
think about it? do you really think kawasaki needs ricky to test the bike? you don't think kawasaki has their own proving grounds? only the largest in the world..
do you really think kawasaki hasn't had the bike on a road course yet? of course they have, and they know the busa will rip it, thats why they brought it to the states and put it on a drag strip before they release the "road" specs, they are looking for a few suckers to buy into it, apparently they found a few....
damn scotty you're behaving just like a fucking woman...
read what kawasaki says about the bike and tell me what YOU think they are saying... fuck me!
http://www.kawasaki.com/product_category.asp?category=2&tag=motorcycle
No wonder you're handle is Twisted ... you're and expert at twisting shit all around.
Repeat this 1000 times: "The ZX-14 and Hayabusa are not in the same class as liter bikes!"
Also repeat this 1000 times: "The ZX-14 and Hayabusa are in the same class." Both are big, heavy, fast, ugly (to someone), can be used for touring and handle pretty damn good on the street.
You're reading shit between the lines from Kawasaki ... it's advertising you nut chewer. :duh: I don't see anything in Kawasaki's words that says it's made to compete with liter bikes. WTF are ya smokin' tonight? :P
BEFORE THE BS GETS TOO DEEP,THEY USED A 30SHOT ON THAT BUSA :duh:
8.7S WITH BOLTONS THATS SOMETHING EVEN STAGE1 TURBOS DONT RUN:shock: :shock:
TRAPSPEEDS 150+ :shock:
Superstreetbike got a Busa with simlar mods into the 8's not that long ago. Still impressive as hell though. I will say it's much closer than I thought, I figured for sure it would be a much more one sided event.
BEFORE THE BS GETS TOO DEEP,THEY USED A 30SHOT ON THAT BUSA :duh:
8.7S WITH BOLTONS THATS SOMETHING EVEN STAGE1 TURBOS DONT RUN:shock: :shock:
TRAPSPEEDS 150+ :shock:
Superstreetbike got a Busa with simlar mods into the 8's not that long ago. Still impressive as hell though. I will say it's much closer than I thought, I figured for sure it would be a much more one sided event.
from kawasakis website...You must be one bad motherfucker on that gixxer. I bet you can outrun any bike anytime. If you are so good at the track, how come you ain't racing in AMA Superbike? Really, what's your excuse?
Welcome to the leading edge of power, performance and exhilaration. Kawasaki is passionate about motorcycles. It’s who we are, and what we do!
Ninja®ZX™-14
If high-performance sportbikes are your passion, then we’ve got just the street-carver for you. Introducing, the new Ninja ZX-14, our most powerful sportbike ever at 1,352cc.
The blending of form, power, and handling characteristics deliver a debut motorcycle that is so balanced in all aspects, the word “ultimate” barely seems adequate when describing it.
This all new in-line four has evolved from the ZX-12R and features a bore and stroke of 84mm x 61mm packed into a purposefully designed compact package that minimizes engine width, leaving it at virtually the same width as the 12R.
The engine uses a secondary balancer to tame unwanted vibrations, and a direct-actuation shift lever is lighter than conventional linkage-type set-ups, offering a more direct feel for the rider.
The ZX-14’s chassis design is every bit the equal of its power plant. It is an advanced version of Kawasaki’s unique aluminum monocoque frame -- lightweight and very strong.
Offering a very relaxed sport riding position, it is compact without being cramped. The foot pegs are low-set to give ample leg room, and the low seat height and narrow seat front make planting feet on the ground a cinch when stopped. Available Spring 2006.
now do they not claim this bike is a "sportbike" or a "sport touring" bike?
my point is they advertise it as something its not!!!
"The blending of form, power, and handling characteristics deliver a debut motorcycle that is so balanced in all aspects, the word “ultimate” barely seems adequate when describing it."
if this bike is so "ultimate" why would it be unfair to run it against a puny little underpowered literbike?
also they don't say jack about 1/4 mile times or even attempt to claim any type of prowess on the strip.....
its fucking junk, and I cant wait till Baily gets his so I can flood the internet with video of a REAL supersport bike beating that mutt like a red headed step child all over the 206....
have a nice day knucklehead
if anyone cares,my personal comments about twisted can be found in smack talkfrom kawasakis website...You must be one bad motherfucker on that gixxer. I bet you can outrun any bike anytime. If you are so good at the track, how come you ain't racing in AMA Superbike? Really, what's your excuse?
Welcome to the leading edge of power, performance and exhilaration. Kawasaki is passionate about motorcycles. It’s who we are, and what we do!
Ninja®ZX™-14
If high-performance sportbikes are your passion, then we’ve got just the street-carver for you. Introducing, the new Ninja ZX-14, our most powerful sportbike ever at 1,352cc.
The blending of form, power, and handling characteristics deliver a debut motorcycle that is so balanced in all aspects, the word “ultimate” barely seems adequate when describing it.
This all new in-line four has evolved from the ZX-12R and features a bore and stroke of 84mm x 61mm packed into a purposefully designed compact package that minimizes engine width, leaving it at virtually the same width as the 12R.
The engine uses a secondary balancer to tame unwanted vibrations, and a direct-actuation shift lever is lighter than conventional linkage-type set-ups, offering a more direct feel for the rider.
The ZX-14’s chassis design is every bit the equal of its power plant. It is an advanced version of Kawasaki’s unique aluminum monocoque frame -- lightweight and very strong.
Offering a very relaxed sport riding position, it is compact without being cramped. The foot pegs are low-set to give ample leg room, and the low seat height and narrow seat front make planting feet on the ground a cinch when stopped. Available Spring 2006.
now do they not claim this bike is a "sportbike" or a "sport touring" bike?
my point is they advertise it as something its not!!!
"The blending of form, power, and handling characteristics deliver a debut motorcycle that is so balanced in all aspects, the word “ultimate” barely seems adequate when describing it."
if this bike is so "ultimate" why would it be unfair to run it against a puny little underpowered literbike?
also they don't say jack about 1/4 mile times or even attempt to claim any type of prowess on the strip.....
its fucking junk, and I cant wait till Baily gets his so I can flood the internet with video of a REAL supersport bike beating that mutt like a red headed step child all over the 206....
have a nice day knucklehead
who fucking said they didn't work as drag bikes? a fucking moped will work as a drag bike...
they are sport touring bikes, kawasaki claims the 14 is a superbike, world SUPERBIKE uses 1000s in the class so does AMA SUPERBIKE, flame kawasaki they said it...
you are trying to turn this into something it isn't, as usual...
my POINT IS, a fucking run on a drag strip don't mean shit! these are road bikes, just like the gixxer, if ricky wants to bring it to a road course I will see what I can do about getting a stock busa to show him WHAT A PIG THE 14 REALLY IS if that will make you happy scotty...
think about it? do you really think kawasaki needs ricky to test the bike? you don't think kawasaki has their own proving grounds? only the largest in the world..
do you really think kawasaki hasn't had the bike on a road course yet? of course they have, and they know the busa will rip it, thats why they brought it to the states and put it on a drag strip before they release the "road" specs, they are looking for a few suckers to buy into it, apparently they found a few....
damn scotty you're behaving just like a fucking woman...
read what kawasaki says about the bike and tell me what YOU think they are saying... fuck me!
http://www.kawasaki.com/product_category.asp?category=2&tag=motorcycle
No wonder you're handle is Twisted ... you're and expert at twisting shit all around.
Repeat this 1000 times: "The ZX-14 and Hayabusa are not in the same class as liter bikes!"
Also repeat this 1000 times: "The ZX-14 and Hayabusa are in the same class." Both are big, heavy, fast, ugly (to someone), can be used for touring and handle pretty damn good on the street.
You're reading shit between the lines from Kawasaki ... it's advertising you nut chewer. :duh: I don't see anything in Kawasaki's words that says it's made to compete with liter bikes. WTF are ya smokin' tonight? :P
dood, I will try one more time to explain this to you...
first go to kaws website...
then click on motorcycles...
then click on supersport, you will see the 6, 10, 12, 14 all in this catagory... simple right, its not an advertising scheme, kawasaki taunts the 12 and 14 as a supersport bike, not me!!!
READ WHAT KAWASAKI SAYS ABOUT THE 14!!!! jeeezes are you dense man or what?
also this thread was never about weather or not the literbikes and 14 are in the same class, you created that in your own mind, apparently so you could contradict someone then ridicule them in an effort to make yourself appear intelligent, your turning into a leg humper, what next you gonna join the union too?
you are the one that started in by claiming I was saying things I wasnt saying, shit scotty do you have to pollute every thread you read?
drag racing numbers dont say shit about either of these bikes intended useage!!!!!!!!!!! get that through that brick you call a noggin and quite fucking with every thread you come across!
I don't care what they've done to the KZ-18... its still a POS kawi. gotta drop the motor just to get to the plugs???
Suzuki better unveil their new secret weapon ... they knew the ZX-14 was coming a long time ago I'd bet. New Busa on the horizon to compete IMO. :yes:
In the mean time, we'll have to listen to the ZX squirrels enjoy their 4 months of glory. :lol2:
who fucking said they didn't work as drag bikes? a fucking moped will work as a drag bike...
they are sport touring bikes, kawasaki claims the 14 is a superbike, world SUPERBIKE uses 1000s in the class so does AMA SUPERBIKE, flame kawasaki they said it...
you are trying to turn this into something it isn't, as usual...
my POINT IS, a fucking run on a drag strip don't mean shit! these are road bikes, just like the gixxer, if ricky wants to bring it to a road course I will see what I can do about getting a stock busa to show him WHAT A PIG THE 14 REALLY IS if that will make you happy scotty...
think about it? do you really think kawasaki needs ricky to test the bike? you don't think kawasaki has their own proving grounds? only the largest in the world..
do you really think kawasaki hasn't had the bike on a road course yet? of course they have, and they know the busa will rip it, thats why they brought it to the states and put it on a drag strip before they release the "road" specs, they are looking for a few suckers to buy into it, apparently they found a few....
damn scotty you're behaving just like a fucking woman...
read what kawasaki says about the bike and tell me what YOU think they are saying... fuck me!
http://www.kawasaki.com/product_category.asp?category=2&tag=motorcycle
No wonder you're handle is Twisted ... you're and expert at twisting shit all around.
Repeat this 1000 times: "The ZX-14 and Hayabusa are not in the same class as liter bikes!"
Also repeat this 1000 times: "The ZX-14 and Hayabusa are in the same class." Both are big, heavy, fast, ugly (to someone), can be used for touring and handle pretty damn good on the street.
You're reading shit between the lines from Kawasaki ... it's advertising you nut chewer. :duh: I don't see anything in Kawasaki's words that says it's made to compete with liter bikes. WTF are ya smokin' tonight? :P
dood, I will try one more time to explain this to you...
first go to kaws website...
then click on motorcycles...
then click on supersport, you will see the 6, 10, 12, 14 all in this catagory... simple right, its not an advertising scheme, kawasaki taunts the 12 and 14 as a supersport bike, not me!!!
READ WHAT KAWASAKI SAYS ABOUT THE 14!!!! jeeezes are you dense man or what?
also this thread was never about weather or not the literbikes and 14 are in the same class, you created that in your own mind, apparently so you could contradict someone then ridicule them in an effort to make yourself appear intelligent, your turning into a leg humper, what next you gonna join the union too?
you are the one that started in by claiming I was saying things I wasnt saying, shit scotty do you have to pollute every thread you read?
drag racing numbers dont say shit about either of these bikes intended useage!!!!!!!!!!! get that through that brick you call a noggin and quite fucking with every thread you come across!
And so you believe everything Kawasaki says, huh? :lol:
I don't care what frickin' Kawasaki says ... the ZX-14 (and ZX-12 for that matter) is NOT in the same class as their other "supersport" bikes. Ya see, Kawi is using the term "supersport" to cover them all ... but in reality they are not all in the same class. Anyone who knows anything about bikes should realize that. Can you honestly tell me that the GSX-R1000 and Busa are in the same class? ... I doubt it. If that's the case the the new ZX-14 is not either ... it's in the Busa's class of sportbike.
I thought you were more up on machines than that. :duh: You gonna believe everything Kawi -- or any manufacture for that matter -- says?? :roll:
If you've been reading and understanding, I've been saying the ZX-14 is a sport-touring bike ... just like the Busa. It will just happen to also become a good drag bike ... just like the Busa. Both are in the same class ... both are sport-touring bikes that are NOT in the same class as track breed 600s, 750s and 1000s. I don't care what Kawasaki fuckin' says on their website ... it's something you can't grasp and believe Kawi because you can't comprehend this concept.
Let them have thier four months, we had six years. :lol2:
dumbass, I am not the one that said the 14 and gixxer were in the same class, you are the one that said I said that, I never did say that, I said if someone wanted to bring the 14 to a track I would pack up my gixxer right now and meet them there so I could show them what a pig the 14 really is....
go on and on and on and on about the fact they are not in the same class, who gives a fuck, no one says they are except you, and kawasaki....
read what they have to say about the bike, then go back and read your silly ass posts and you might catch it...
and pease plese tell me scotty, exactly what "concept" is it I cant grasp because I have a funny feeling I knew more about road racing bikes when I was 14 than you know now?
from kawasakis website...
Welcome to the leading edge of power, performance and exhilaration. Kawasaki is passionate about motorcycles. It’s who we are, and what we do!
Ninja®ZX™-14
If high-performance sportbikes are your passion, then we’ve got just the street-carver for you. Introducing, the new Ninja ZX-14, our most powerful sportbike ever at 1,352cc.
The blending of form, power, and handling characteristics deliver a debut motorcycle that is so balanced in all aspects, the word “ultimate” barely seems adequate when describing it.
This all new in-line four has evolved from the ZX-12R and features a bore and stroke of 84mm x 61mm packed into a purposefully designed compact package that minimizes engine width, leaving it at virtually the same width as the 12R.
The engine uses a secondary balancer to tame unwanted vibrations, and a direct-actuation shift lever is lighter than conventional linkage-type set-ups, offering a more direct feel for the rider.
The ZX-14’s chassis design is every bit the equal of its power plant. It is an advanced version of Kawasaki’s unique aluminum monocoque frame -- lightweight and very strong.
Offering a very relaxed sport riding position, it is compact without being cramped. The foot pegs are low-set to give ample leg room, and the low seat height and narrow seat front make planting feet on the ground a cinch when stopped. Available Spring 2006.
now you are free to add whatever delusional coment you so desire....
but when it comes to road racing, leave it to the people that have been there and done it.....
Quote from: Twisted Nut Chewernothing will help the 14 against a gixxer, why do you think they gave a bike to a straight line guy and not the editors of the U.K magazines? why do you think they haven't released the wheelbase and weight numbers?
because they are trying to hype it up with a straight line number in a 1/4 mile then drop the bomb on you after they catch your attention...
As usual, the lack of logic and knowledge shows. The ZX-14 isn't in the same class as an R1 or GSX-R1000. It's in the same class as the Hayabusa ... a big sport touring bike. The Hayabusa is one of the best platforms for a drag bike ... and so will be the ZX-14. It will probably handle the backroads just as well too. Kawasaki is going after the Hayabusa's market ... anyone who knows anything about bikes should realize that. :yes:
I wish Rickey had the nuts to take that piece of shit to a road course, I would pack up the gixxer right now and meet him there personally just to show him what a fucking pig that thing REALLY is....
Oh for crying out loud twisted... isn't there a soap opera somewhere missing a scriptwriter?
Somebody pass him a tampon.
Oh for crying out loud twisted... isn't there a soap opera somewhere missing a scriptwriter?
Somebody pass him a tampon.
dumbass, I am not the one that said the 14 and gixxer were in the same class, you are the one that said I said that, I never did say that, I said if someone wanted to bring the 14 to a track I would pack up my gixxer right now and meet them there so I could show them what a pig the 14 really is....
go on and on and on and on about the fact they are not in the same class, who gives a fuck, no one says they are except you, and kawasaki....
read what they have to say about the bike, then go back and read your silly ass posts and you might catch it...
and pease plese tell me scotty, exactly what "concept" is it I cant grasp because I have a funny feeling I knew more about road racing bikes when I was 14 than you know now?
from kawasakis website...
Welcome to the leading edge of power, performance and exhilaration. Kawasaki is passionate about motorcycles. It’s who we are, and what we do!
Ninja®ZX™-14
If high-performance sportbikes are your passion, then we’ve got just the street-carver for you. Introducing, the new Ninja ZX-14, our most powerful sportbike ever at 1,352cc.
The blending of form, power, and handling characteristics deliver a debut motorcycle that is so balanced in all aspects, the word “ultimate” barely seems adequate when describing it.
This all new in-line four has evolved from the ZX-12R and features a bore and stroke of 84mm x 61mm packed into a purposefully designed compact package that minimizes engine width, leaving it at virtually the same width as the 12R.
The engine uses a secondary balancer to tame unwanted vibrations, and a direct-actuation shift lever is lighter than conventional linkage-type set-ups, offering a more direct feel for the rider.
The ZX-14’s chassis design is every bit the equal of its power plant. It is an advanced version of Kawasaki’s unique aluminum monocoque frame -- lightweight and very strong.
Offering a very relaxed sport riding position, it is compact without being cramped. The foot pegs are low-set to give ample leg room, and the low seat height and narrow seat front make planting feet on the ground a cinch when stopped. Available Spring 2006.
now you are free to add whatever delusional coment you so desire....
but when it comes to road racing, leave it to the people that have been there and done it.....
Damn it Twisted ... you have really twisted the fuck out it so far that YOU don't even know what we're talking about anymore. :lol2:
All the way back from page 2 ... then you got off on about 5 tangents and twisted everything up like some super squirrel on a nut binge. :P I don't know why you love quoting Kawasaki's website so much ... shit, you'll brainwash youself and end up buying one when they showup at the dealers.Quote from: Busa@11KQuote from: Twisted Nut Chewernothing will help the 14 against a gixxer, why do you think they gave a bike to a straight line guy and not the editors of the U.K magazines? why do you think they haven't released the wheelbase and weight numbers?
because they are trying to hype it up with a straight line number in a 1/4 mile then drop the bomb on you after they catch your attention...
As usual, the lack of logic and knowledge shows. The ZX-14 isn't in the same class as an R1 or GSX-R1000. It's in the same class as the Hayabusa ... a big sport touring bike. The Hayabusa is one of the best platforms for a drag bike ... and so will be the ZX-14. It will probably handle the backroads just as well too. Kawasaki is going after the Hayabusa's market ... anyone who knows anything about bikes should realize that. :yes:I wish Rickey had the nuts to take that piece of shit to a road course, I would pack up the gixxer right now and meet him there personally just to show him what a fucking pig that thing REALLY is....
Seems you think the ZX-14 should be out on a road course racing a liter bike ... I thought YOU said they weren't in the same class. If you say/think that, then why do you make it sound like they are? Get off the hallucinogenic nuts dude! :talk: :eatme:Oh for crying out loud twisted... isn't there a soap opera somewhere missing a scriptwriter?
Somebody pass him a tampon.
How about a case of extra absorbant. :lol:
Let them have thier four months, we had six years. :lol2:
Either way the highways will be a little more interesting now. :)
dumbass, I am not the one that said the 14 and gixxer were in the same class, you are the one that said I said that, I never did say that, I said if someone wanted to bring the 14 to a track I would pack up my gixxer right now and meet them there so I could show them what a pig the 14 really is....
go on and on and on and on about the fact they are not in the same class, who gives a fuck, no one says they are except you, and kawasaki....
read what they have to say about the bike, then go back and read your silly ass posts and you might catch it...
and pease plese tell me scotty, exactly what "concept" is it I cant grasp because I have a funny feeling I knew more about road racing bikes when I was 14 than you know now?
from kawasakis website...
Welcome to the leading edge of power, performance and exhilaration. Kawasaki is passionate about motorcycles. It’s who we are, and what we do!
Ninja®ZX™-14
If high-performance sportbikes are your passion, then we’ve got just the street-carver for you. Introducing, the new Ninja ZX-14, our most powerful sportbike ever at 1,352cc.
The blending of form, power, and handling characteristics deliver a debut motorcycle that is so balanced in all aspects, the word “ultimate” barely seems adequate when describing it.
This all new in-line four has evolved from the ZX-12R and features a bore and stroke of 84mm x 61mm packed into a purposefully designed compact package that minimizes engine width, leaving it at virtually the same width as the 12R.
The engine uses a secondary balancer to tame unwanted vibrations, and a direct-actuation shift lever is lighter than conventional linkage-type set-ups, offering a more direct feel for the rider.
The ZX-14’s chassis design is every bit the equal of its power plant. It is an advanced version of Kawasaki’s unique aluminum monocoque frame -- lightweight and very strong.
Offering a very relaxed sport riding position, it is compact without being cramped. The foot pegs are low-set to give ample leg room, and the low seat height and narrow seat front make planting feet on the ground a cinch when stopped. Available Spring 2006.
now you are free to add whatever delusional coment you so desire....
but when it comes to road racing, leave it to the people that have been there and done it.....
Damn it Twisted ... you have really twisted the fuck out it so far that YOU don't even know what we're talking about anymore. :lol2:
All the way back from page 2 ... then you got off on about 5 tangents and twisted everything up like some super squirrel on a nut binge. :P I don't know why you love quoting Kawasaki's website so much ... shit, you'll brainwash youself and end up buying one when they showup at the dealers.Quote from: Busa@11KQuote from: Twisted Nut Chewernothing will help the 14 against a gixxer, why do you think they gave a bike to a straight line guy and not the editors of the U.K magazines? why do you think they haven't released the wheelbase and weight numbers?
because they are trying to hype it up with a straight line number in a 1/4 mile then drop the bomb on you after they catch your attention...
As usual, the lack of logic and knowledge shows. The ZX-14 isn't in the same class as an R1 or GSX-R1000. It's in the same class as the Hayabusa ... a big sport touring bike. The Hayabusa is one of the best platforms for a drag bike ... and so will be the ZX-14. It will probably handle the backroads just as well too. Kawasaki is going after the Hayabusa's market ... anyone who knows anything about bikes should realize that. :yes:I wish Rickey had the nuts to take that piece of shit to a road course, I would pack up the gixxer right now and meet him there personally just to show him what a fucking pig that thing REALLY is....
Seems you think the ZX-14 should be out on a road course racing a liter bike ... I thought YOU said they weren't in the same class. If you say/think that, then why do you make it sound like they are? Get off the hallucinogenic nuts dude! :talk: :eatme:Oh for crying out loud twisted... isn't there a soap opera somewhere missing a scriptwriter?
Somebody pass him a tampon.
How about a case of extra absorbant. :lol:
scotty, it dont matter what I am talking about, you have lost me in the rhetoric, the 14 is junk, end of story....
next
Light up another bowel
Okay, :lol: that was funny! Stop it, please!! :lmao:
kAWi gets a cookie for beating our 7yr old bike. And its not even that bad but guys we ride the LEGEND. And we all know LEGENDs never die....
from kawasakis website...You must be one bad motherfucker on that gixxer. I bet you can outrun any bike anytime. If you are so good at the track, how come you ain't racing in AMA Superbike? Really, what's your excuse?
Welcome to the leading edge of power, performance and exhilaration. Kawasaki is passionate about motorcycles. It’s who we are, and what we do!
Ninja®ZX™-14
If high-performance sportbikes are your passion, then we’ve got just the street-carver for you. Introducing, the new Ninja ZX-14, our most powerful sportbike ever at 1,352cc.
The blending of form, power, and handling characteristics deliver a debut motorcycle that is so balanced in all aspects, the word “ultimate” barely seems adequate when describing it.
This all new in-line four has evolved from the ZX-12R and features a bore and stroke of 84mm x 61mm packed into a purposefully designed compact package that minimizes engine width, leaving it at virtually the same width as the 12R.
The engine uses a secondary balancer to tame unwanted vibrations, and a direct-actuation shift lever is lighter than conventional linkage-type set-ups, offering a more direct feel for the rider.
The ZX-14’s chassis design is every bit the equal of its power plant. It is an advanced version of Kawasaki’s unique aluminum monocoque frame -- lightweight and very strong.
Offering a very relaxed sport riding position, it is compact without being cramped. The foot pegs are low-set to give ample leg room, and the low seat height and narrow seat front make planting feet on the ground a cinch when stopped. Available Spring 2006.
now do they not claim this bike is a "sportbike" or a "sport touring" bike?
my point is they advertise it as something its not!!!
"The blending of form, power, and handling characteristics deliver a debut motorcycle that is so balanced in all aspects, the word “ultimate” barely seems adequate when describing it."
if this bike is so "ultimate" why would it be unfair to run it against a puny little underpowered literbike?
also they don't say jack about 1/4 mile times or even attempt to claim any type of prowess on the strip.....
its fucking junk, and I cant wait till Baily gets his so I can flood the internet with video of a REAL supersport bike beating that mutt like a red headed step child all over the 206....
have a nice day knucklehead
from kawasakis website...You must be one bad motherfucker on that gixxer. I bet you can outrun any bike anytime. If you are so good at the track, how come you ain't racing in AMA Superbike? Really, what's your excuse?
Welcome to the leading edge of power, performance and exhilaration. Kawasaki is passionate about motorcycles. It’s who we are, and what we do!
Ninja®ZX™-14
If high-performance sportbikes are your passion, then we’ve got just the street-carver for you. Introducing, the new Ninja ZX-14, our most powerful sportbike ever at 1,352cc.
The blending of form, power, and handling characteristics deliver a debut motorcycle that is so balanced in all aspects, the word “ultimate” barely seems adequate when describing it.
This all new in-line four has evolved from the ZX-12R and features a bore and stroke of 84mm x 61mm packed into a purposefully designed compact package that minimizes engine width, leaving it at virtually the same width as the 12R.
The engine uses a secondary balancer to tame unwanted vibrations, and a direct-actuation shift lever is lighter than conventional linkage-type set-ups, offering a more direct feel for the rider.
The ZX-14’s chassis design is every bit the equal of its power plant. It is an advanced version of Kawasaki’s unique aluminum monocoque frame -- lightweight and very strong.
Offering a very relaxed sport riding position, it is compact without being cramped. The foot pegs are low-set to give ample leg room, and the low seat height and narrow seat front make planting feet on the ground a cinch when stopped. Available Spring 2006.
now do they not claim this bike is a "sportbike" or a "sport touring" bike?
my point is they advertise it as something its not!!!
"The blending of form, power, and handling characteristics deliver a debut motorcycle that is so balanced in all aspects, the word “ultimate” barely seems adequate when describing it."
if this bike is so "ultimate" why would it be unfair to run it against a puny little underpowered literbike?
also they don't say jack about 1/4 mile times or even attempt to claim any type of prowess on the strip.....
its fucking junk, and I cant wait till Baily gets his so I can flood the internet with video of a REAL supersport bike beating that mutt like a red headed step child all over the 206....
have a nice day knucklehead
how come I am not racing AMA? excuse? I didnt know I needed an excuse, hold on a sec though, I'll see if I can git one from my mom, or better yet see if she has a million dollars she can give me so I can set up a bike and go race an AMA season.... :duh:
I AIN'T no rich mommas boy punk or trust fund baby, what I have I earned and I taught myself to ride, anytime you or anyone else is ready to see what kind of teacher I am, bring it, otherwise STFU....
Twisted thinks he's AMA racing every time he rides down to 7-11. :P
Rumble, I guess the handling between the ZX-12, and 'Busa is subjective. Yes, I know you also used to own a 12.
I owned an '02 ZX-12 for a year alongside my '02 'Busa. I found the 'Busa to be a better machine in nearly every respect.
The only areas that I felt the 12 had an edge, was in braking feel, (at least until you swapped out the stock 'Busa pads) and initial turn in. It fell into a turn more readily, but in quick side-to-side transitions, it felt top heavy and cumbersome compared to the 'Busa. HEY! I resemble that remark!! :lol:
Oh, the rear tire would last about twice as long on the 12. This is true. I cooked my Metzlers pretty damn good yesterday at the track. I'm probably only going to get 1 or two more track days outta of'em
I hope the ZX-14 is a big step forward from the 12. I like to see a progression of performance, not the stagnation we've had for 7 years.
As far as the ZX-14 being significantly lighter than the 'Busa, the figures I've seen are almost exactly the same as the 'Busa. :wink: Have you sat on a 14 yet? It sure does FEEL lighter than a stck Busa! :shock:
Did you sit on the 14 at a show.
They are lighter when they don't have any fluids, or battery in them. :wink:
Twisted, I'm not here to jump in on your pissing match with Scotty, but you're in for a rude awakening.
You stated in a reply earlier in this thread that you think the Busa will "crush" the "pig" (obviously referring to the 14) and that it would own the 14 on a road course.
What makes you think that a lighter, more powerful bike will lose to a heavier, underpowered (in comparison) bike on a road course? They 14 and the Busa have nearly the same geometry and gearing, but the 14 holds a MAJOR advantage in weight, power and acceleration (according to R. Gadson, whom I'd tend to believe). Hell, the ZX12 DESTROYS the Busa in the twisties (with riders of similar caliber) and comes mighty close to matching the Busa on the top end/drag strip (yeah, I know the Busa turbo's better, but we're talking N/A here). 98% of the time it comes down to the rider and who has bigger balls in a straight line. On the road course, the 12 is the better of the two.
if you push the fork tubes up on the busa, remove a link from the chain and push the tire all the way forward then dial it in
Have any of you thats quoting the Kawasaki website noticed that approximatley 1.5 months back they had the 14 at 12.7:1 compression like all other early release sources did and now they list it at 12.0:1 ..... and production has supposedly been temporarily stopped .
I have to wonder a bit about what the actual compression is of the few bikes thats been stateside for awhile now . I am not accusing or anything but when I ran across that little tidbit of info it made me wonder if website and other info error, or ?
and NO zx 12 or 14 will beat me on my gixxer in the twisties, I'll put my title on that..... :wink:
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I see you found Twisted poszin' on his old Busa ... hamsters are part of the squirrel family. :lmao:
I think everybody's butt hurt because there's a faster bike
than the hayabusa. :)
I think everybody's butt hurt because there's a faster bike
than the hayabusa. :)
I think everybody's butt hurt because there's a faster bike
than the hayabusa. :)
How am I mad? I really don't care because I dont even see turbo Busas... Nor anything else with a turbo. There for i'm FASTER!
That Hamster Tubro is -1 PSI of pure fur ball power!
and NO zx 12 or 14 will beat me on my gixxer in the twisties, I'll put my title on that..... :wink:
There he goes again ... thinking the ZX-12, ZX-14 and Busa are in the same class as his GSX-R1000.
Once a 'tard, always a 'tard. :lol:
You obviouosly dont know who ricky is then.......if he touched the bike then i would be willing to bet that is has a bit more than a few little bolt ons.... :roll:...........horsepower numbers on those runs would be more realistic there if they were posted also.....i dont care what kind of bike it is.....horsepower and weight ratio has the leading part in those times.........what kind of numbers is he claiming to have with those passes at those times........i know for a fact that bike isnt making 200 wheel horsepower with those mods ......i mean come on before everyone wow's at those times can we be realistic here and ask for some proof ???.......Are those numbers adding up correctly???........why do i seem to be the only one calling bs here on those stats compared to those numbers ?????.....not to mention ricky also weighs what 145 wet...... :?.....am i bein far fetched here or is this somthing to look at also ???BEFORE THE BS GETS TOO DEEP,THEY USED A 30SHOT ON THAT BUSA :duh:
8.7S WITH BOLTONS THATS SOMETHING EVEN STAGE1 TURBOS DONT RUN:shock: :shock:
TRAPSPEEDS 150+ :shock:
Superstreetbike got a Busa with simlar mods into the 8's not that long ago. Still impressive as hell though. I will say it's much closer than I thought, I figured for sure it would be a much more one sided event.
8.7s is flat out insane.
how many turbo(st 1)guys ran that?even slammed and stretched?
I think everybody's butt hurt because there's a faster bike
than the hayabusa. :)
I think everybody's butt hurt because there's a faster bike
than the hayabusa. :)
How am I mad? I really don't care because I dont even see turbo Busas... Nor anything else with a turbo. There for i'm FASTER!
That Hamster Tubro is -1 PSI of pure fur ball power!
Everyone = Twisted in this case. :lol: And he's still trying to compare a ZX-14 to a GSX-R1000. He probably even thinks an EX-500 is in the same class as his 1000. :duh:
No question the '14 should be slightly quicker than the mighty Bus stock-for-stock. But what's really going to be intriguing is if the '14 can't run over 194 mph bone stock unrestricted but with no other changes. That's not a given yet IMO.
But probably it will. I predict almost exactly the same degree of advantage to the '14 as the Busa has had over the '12. Almost always slightly quicker and faster in any speed contest, all else being the same. :thumb:
there could be several variables attributing to a negative for the busa and if I was kawasaki I would be scrambling for an answer as well...
what was the octane rating for the fuel used in the can he poured from, we all know the busa thrives on 87 and the 12 on 92, if the compression on the 14 favors 92 and thats what he used that could be bias for the busa....
the wheelbase, we all know drag racers don't stretch their busa so they can wheelie better, its my guess they are trying to improve their ET, what is the wheelbase of the 14?
all this talk about a superghostbike, where can I get one of these machines, I would like to test ride one.....
I personally don't give a #$%$% about dyno numbers because ram air isn't being used. Its nothing more than a starving motor test in my eyes. *sigh*
I personally don't give a #$%$% about dyno numbers because ram air isn't being used. Its nothing more than a starving motor test in my eyes. *sigh*
Ram air only adds about 5% at 200 mph ... so if all bikes are tested on the dyno without ram-air then it's still a good baseline comparison.
THATS ONE OF THE DUMBEST THINGS I HAVE EVER HEARDI personally don't give a #$%$% about dyno numbers because ram air isn't being used. Its nothing more than a starving motor test in my eyes. *sigh*
Ram air only adds about 5% at 200 mph ... so if all bikes are tested on the dyno without ram-air then it's still a good baseline comparison.
All depends if the rider is running a Rich or lean maps. Thats where the saying KING OF THE DYNOS come from. I saw a dyno on the lakeland stunt show afew weeks ago. a guys built-up 750 put out 115rwhp. Then a bone stock 750 dyno'ed 110rwhp. I think thats why turbos dyno so good. They don't need the ram air.
The BUSA is working with a 8 year old design and it's still LIMITED from the factory.
Your average Joe struggles to break 180 on stock busas.
The Suzuki is so good at a bit of everything. It doesn't look like it's sportier than the ZX-12, but it is.
The Kawasaki has better brakes than the Suzuki, looks a million times better, pulls bigger wheelies, has a better gearbox and gearing, a slightly longer tank range and more effective wind protection for the rider.
But the Suzuki has a better power delivery and chassis, which is where it matters to me.
Jamie, you scottish wanker. I've owned both 12 and 'Busa, and I stand by my comments.
Performance Bikes magazine ehh?.
Here's a quote from Bruce Dunn, in the February '03 Performance Bikes magazine test between the 'Busa, ZX-12, ZZ-R1200, and CBR-XX. Page 68.QuoteThe Suzuki is so good at a bit of everything. It doesn't look like it's sportier than the ZX-12, but it is.
The Kawasaki has better brakes than the Suzuki, looks a million times better, pulls bigger wheelies, has a better gearbox and gearing, a slightly longer tank range and more effective wind protection for the rider.
But the Suzuki has a better power delivery and chassis, which is where it matters to me.
So even a reviewer that doesn't necessarily like the 'Busa, acknowledges that it's the better "performance bike".
Furthermore, there are plenty of members here, that have achieved a true 194+ mph top speed, on bone stock unrestricted 'Busa's.
BiggerDanno is one.
Don't forget, that our own Scott Guthrie holds the record at Maxton, for fastest stock 'Busa, on the official length course. There are several other members here, even ones that run ZX-12's, that can verify that.
Faster even than the Muzzy backed ZX-12 effort, that ran on an artificially extended course.
But you know all this, it has been hashed to death years ago. :)
Jamie, you scottish wanker. I've owned both 12 and 'Busa, and I stand by my comments.
Performance Bikes magazine ehh?.
Here's a quote from Bruce Dunn, in the February '03 Performance Bikes magazine test between the 'Busa, ZX-12, ZZ-R1200, and CBR-XX. Page 68.QuoteThe Suzuki is so good at a bit of everything. It doesn't look like it's sportier than the ZX-12, but it is.
The Kawasaki has better brakes than the Suzuki, looks a million times better, pulls bigger wheelies, has a better gearbox and gearing, a slightly longer tank range and more effective wind protection for the rider.
But the Suzuki has a better power delivery and chassis, which is where it matters to me.
So even a reviewer that doesn't necessarily like the 'Busa, acknowledges that it's the better "performance bike".
Furthermore, there are plenty of members here, that have achieved a true 194+ mph top speed, on bone stock unrestricted 'Busa's.
BiggerDanno is one.
Don't forget, that our own Scott Guthrie holds the record at Maxton, for fastest stock 'Busa, on the official length course. There are several other members here, even ones that run ZX-12's, that can verify that.
Faster even than the Muzzy backed ZX-12 effort, that ran on an artificially extended course.
But you know all this, it has been hashed to death years ago. :)
BLATANT BULLSHIT!
Not one Busa, anywhere in the world showroom stock has been anywhere near 194.
And Scott guthrie had mirror removed and gearing changed so WAS NOT STOCK! Those mods alone can net 4-5mph in some instances.
The fastest certified bone stock bike was the 12 ridden by Doug Meyer. Unless you can provide certified speeds run by confirmed stock busas you are talking shit as usual.
Plenty of members doing 194 speeds on bone stock bikes..........................BRAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAA
Yeah, bone stock except for filters, airbox mod, slammed, gearing, pipe.
:eh: :eh:
I owned a 12 and the busa, and I tell you it is hands down, the 12 was better in the twisties. The busa feels like a minivan compared to the 12. Anyone who has put several thousand miles on both machines would know that from an objective point of view, the zx12r is more sportlike and handles better.
However, from a SUBJECTIVE point of view, I LIKE the feel of the busa better than the stance of the 12, and therefore, I PREFER the busa over the 12, in any riding situation. That being said, its easy to see why some of us think the busa makes for a better ride, - because it inspires confidence in people that just find the busa more comfortable.
But if you called it straight, - the 12 is the lighter feeling, more capable bike when it needs to be ridden nimbly.
I can go faster on the busa in the twists than a clone of me on a 12...simply because I feel more confident on the busa. That is a result of my personal preference. The 14 in the hands of a capable rider would smoke the busa in the hands of the same rider, most likely, because the 14 is very similar to the 12.
Ha ha!
Some bloke says he saw 194 on gps and that is all you need?
You know nothing of the conditions, nothing of his mods, whether or not it was fucking downhill and without a timing light in sight!
Yet you decried Doug Meyer who did 192+ on certified lights, got a certified timing ticket, and subsequently had the bike stripped down by an independant magazine to prove it's showroom stock status. For fuck sake. :hellno:
Scott Guthrie came on this site and confirmed, the bike had mirrors off and gearing WHICH IS NOT STOCK! So the 192 he did, which still doesn't beat Meyer's runs anyway, has fuck all to do with stock bikes! Mirrors net you 4mph for a fucking start!
Get real guys. The Ice Man has been caning the shit out of stock busas over the Florida 9/10ths, 1 mile and 1.25 miles and still is nowhere near 190mph never mind 194!
Even he agrees the true top end is c.185.
Knobs. :bigfu:
FK alot of us are HOPING the 14 trounces the busa so suzuki will be prompted to give a Fantastic Hayabusa revamp.
I owned a 12 and the busa, and I tell you it is hands down, the 12 was better in the twisties. The busa feels like a minivan compared to the 12. Anyone who has put several thousand miles on both machines would know that from an objective point of view, the zx12r is more sportlike and handles better.
However, from a SUBJECTIVE point of view, I LIKE the feel of the busa better than the stance of the 12, and therefore, I PREFER the busa over the 12, in any riding situation. That being said, its easy to see why some of us think the busa makes for a better ride, - because it inspires confidence in people that just find the busa more comfortable.
But if you called it straight, - the 12 is the lighter feeling, more capable bike when it needs to be ridden nimbly.
I can go faster on the busa in the twists than a clone of me on a 12...simply because I feel more confident on the busa. That is a result of my personal preference. The 14 in the hands of a capable rider would smoke the busa in the hands of the same rider, most likely, because the 14 is very similar to the 12.
+1
didn't you sell your 12 to WristRocket (Les)??
Man, that is one scary fast 12!! WR put an Arata pipe and K&N's on it along with a PC3USB and had her mapped to the tune of 170+HP at the wheel. Fucking INSANE that bike is.
I owned a 12 and the busa, and I tell you it is hands down, the 12 was better in the twisties. The busa feels like a minivan compared to the 12. Anyone who has put several thousand miles on both machines would know that from an objective point of view, the zx12r is more sportlike and handles better.
Where's Todd ... I know FK misses his inputs. :lol2:
Also ... would someone race Twisted? He's gonna go nuts otherwise. I think I got him all riled up with the Rustang vs. Z06 challenge. :lmao:
Where's Todd ... I know FK misses his inputs. :lol2:
Also ... would someone race Twisted? He's gonna go nuts otherwise. I think I got him all riled up with the Rustang vs. Z06 challenge. :lmao:
I owned a 12 and the busa, and I tell you it is hands down, the 12 was better in the twisties. The busa feels like a minivan compared to the 12. Anyone who has put several thousand miles on both machines would know that from an objective point of view, the zx12r is more sportlike and handles better.
get your hands on a stock 12 and I'll meet you in pahrump with a stock busa and prove you wrong.... whatever race you wanna set up, aggrigate, heads up, dont care...
loser runs around the course one time wearing nothing but his boots and helmet, if you lose I will be video taping your jog around the track for everyone on putfile to see how BADD ASS the 12 is.....
still care to back up that claim?
I owned a 12 and the busa, and I tell you it is hands down, the 12 was better in the twisties. The busa feels like a minivan compared to the 12. Anyone who has put several thousand miles on both machines would know that from an objective point of view, the zx12r is more sportlike and handles better.
get your hands on a stock 12 and I'll meet you in pahrump with a stock busa and prove you wrong.... whatever race you wanna set up, aggregate, heads up, don't care...
loser runs around the course one time wearing nothing but his boots and helmet, if you lose I will be video taping your jog around the track for everyone on putfile to see how BADD ASS the 12 is.....
still care to back up that claim?
The 12 is known for faster track times. I happened to agree since I owned BOTH, that the 12 was much sportier (objectively speaking) in the handling dept. than the busa.
Why do you have such a problem with that? It has nothing to do with my personal riding talent or experience.
Ha ha!
Some bloke says he saw 194 on gps and that is all you need?
You know nothing of the conditions, nothing of his mods, whether or not it was fucking downhill and without a timing light in sight!
Yet you decried Doug Meyer who did 192+ on certified lights, got a certified timing ticket, and subsequently had the bike stripped down by an independant magazine to prove it's showroom stock status. For fuck sake. :hellno:
Scott Guthrie came on this site and confirmed, the bike had mirrors off and gearing WHICH IS NOT STOCK! So the 192 he did, which still doesn't beat Meyer's runs anyway, has fuck all to do with stock bikes! Mirrors net you 4mph for a fucking start!
Get real guys. The Ice Man has been caning the shit out of stock busas over the Florida 9/10ths, 1 mile and 1.25 miles and still is nowhere near 190mph never mind 194!
Even he agrees the true top end is c.185.
Knobs. :bigfu:
As far as Danno doing 194+ mph on his stock 'Busa repeatedly, he has no reason to BS.
He's a respected member known to many here. He also has ran a turbobusa at Bonneville repeatedly.
He has stated that to achieve 194 mph, just as Cycle World editor Don Canet did back in '99, it was necessary to be as close to sea level as possible.
185 mph as stated by Ice Man, is for restricted 'Busas.
Scott guthrie ran 193+ mph, at Maxton, on the official course.
Which is faster than the 192 mph the Muzzy massaged ZX-12 ran on an artificially extended course.
During the Muzzy effort, they started far enough behind the regular starting line, that they were already doing approx. 100 mph, when they crossed the official starting line used for all ECTA events at Maxton..
So the Muzzy run, can't be compared to any other runs made at Maxton on the official length course.
Furthermore, Guthrie ran an 18 tooth sprocket, which is taller than the 17 tooth stocker, which would effectively decrease the acceleration of a stock 'Busa.
:P
AND THE 12 IS ALMOST ALWAYS 3 SECONDS A LAP FASTER ROUND A TRACK! Only one test round a track did the busa prove faster and that was the Nuhrburgring in Germany in a test where they had repeated problems with the 12s clutch after drag racing them first.
The best test ever was the nine rider test. That's nine professional racers you fuck. NOT ONE OF THEM COULD GET THE BUSA NEAR THE 12'S LAP TIMES.
NOT ONE!
Of course, you are better than all of them and would miraculously net three seconds a lap on all of them wouldn't you with an overweight, long past it's best Hayabugly wouldn't you?
fk,my turbo99 is faster then a zx14 :lol:
the k5,k6gixxers are faster from a roll anyway,so whats the hype? :?
and wtf is it with the twisties comparos? :?
you guys fucking insane?a decent rider would outride any busa and 14 or 12 on a fucking 600cc bike at the roadcurses.
hell ive seen comparos on small road courses where ktms were quicker the the new r1.
busa will make you fly into a tree or off the street if you try to rail hard on it.
PROVE me wrong. Show me any timing ticket on certified lights with a proven stock Busa at 194. Or anywhere near for that matter.
How come the Maxton mile, the Florida 9/10ths, Elvington, Woodbridge etc have never EVER produced anything like 194 from a stock busa with some of the best riders in the world riding them with tailwinds, headwinds, sidewinds, over the past six years!??
It's bullshit mate. Always has been. The Busa's top speed is 185+ with a very good rider, maybe a bit more with a tail. Low 180s with most of us.
Actually, if you read back you will see it was TWISTED that started this shit.
We all know the 14 is not a supersport platform.
They then went on to do 177 mph, two-up.
Actually, if you read back you will see it was TWISTED that started this shit.
We all know the 14 is not a supersport platform.
However, he contested the Busa would piss on this on the road and track, knowing fuck all about the bike. And also that the Busa wanked the 12 into the weeds in that dept too, which is factually 100% wrong.
It didn't.
The 12 was a far more sports orientated bike than the sports tourer Busa. This was never in doubt. Except for Twisted of course.
And he fellates dogs
what I have is REAL life, I have ran against 12s several times, it was no contest, ZERO!
do me a scotty and list the championships for kawasaki? if the only difference in lap times is rider ability, shame on kawasaki for only being able to attract squids, perhaps thats why you own one? the busa is a sport tourer it handles better and its comfort is unsurpassed, the 12 is, well, a joke.... BUT kawasaki list the 12 and 14 as supersport bikes, what that has to do with anything I dont know, apparently its only relevant to you because no matter what they list it as or what catagory you think its in the busa takes care of it...
Why is someone who clearly favors kawasaki over suzuki even on this board?
Who the hell ya talkin' to slick? :lol: Why don't you go pull up the shit? ... I'm not your fuckin' data presenter. :finger: You still believe everyhing they say on the Kaw website about the ZX-14 I see, so why would you believe any other data? The only thing you believe is the made up twisted thoughts in your head. :lmao: Oh ya, I'm selling the Busa and getting a ZX-14 ... NOT !!! :P
Who the hell ya talkin' to slick? :lol: Why don't you go pull up the shit? ... I'm not your fuckin' data presenter. :finger: You still believe everyhing they say on the Kaw website about the ZX-14 I see, so why would you believe any other data? The only thing you believe is the made up twisted thoughts in your head. :lmao: Oh ya, I'm selling the Busa and getting a ZX-14 ... NOT !!! :P
I was talkin to fearsomekowfucker, you know the guy that coined the word "sheepish"...
and there are no stats to pull for him, kawasaki hasnt won enough road racing championships to even note.....
Well your guess is wrong. I actually compete on closed courses with people who actually race.
But you on the other hand are quite the keyboard racer. what you up to, 50 words PM.
good, then you have a 12 and are willing to go heads with me on a busa then?I am more into 1320' racing. I wont claim to be a road racer but I can hang with most and touch a knee.
I'll show you what 3 years racing 250cc motocross and 2 seasons production 750cc has done for me, not to mention the hundreds of thousands of road twisties...
this should be fun, btw, your not camera shy are ya?
Well your guess is wrong. I actually compete on closed courses with people who actually race.
But you on the other hand are quite the keyboard racer. what you up to, 50 words PM.
good, then you have a 12 and are willing to go heads with me on a busa then?
I'll show you what 3 years racing 250cc motocross and 2 seasons production 750cc has done for me, not to mention the hundreds of thousands of road twisties...
this should be fun, btw, your not camera shy are ya?
My God!... this thread is F U N N Y!!!! It has certainly entertained me for quite awhile this evening. Strange how people are so "set" in their ways. I mean, hell, I like all the bikes. Nothing wrong with competition and I guess Kaw is providing a bit with the 14. After all, other bikes, like the ZX11 for one of them, is what it's all about. Had it not been for that one, hell, what incentive would Suzuki, or anyone else for that matter, have for building something a bit better, and faster? Competition is GOOD and without it there would never have been Busas' in the first place. Funny, funny, funny.... and oh, BTW, I own a beautiful 01 ZX11D in absolute pristine condition AND an 02 Busa in the same outstanding condition... and I'm not selling either one! :lol:
good, then you have a 12 and are willing to go heads with me on a busa then?I am more into 1320' racing. I wont claim to be a road racer but I can hang with most and touch a knee.
I'll show you what 3 years racing 250cc motocross and 2 seasons production 750cc has done for me, not to mention the hundreds of thousands of road twisties...
this should be fun, btw, your not camera shy are ya?
But you dont want none of my 12 in the 1320, not with a stock Busa you dont.
Whats with the camera shy question?
good, then you have a 12 and are willing to go heads with me on a busa then?I am more into 1320' racing. I wont claim to be a road racer but I can hang with most and touch a knee.
I'll show you what 3 years racing 250cc motocross and 2 seasons production 750cc has done for me, not to mention the hundreds of thousands of road twisties...
this should be fun, btw, your not camera shy are ya?
But you dont want none of my 12 in the 1320, not with a stock Busa you dont.
Whats with the camera shy question?
Well your guess is wrong. I actually compete on closed courses with people who actually race.
But you on the other hand are quite the keyboard racer. what you up to, 50 words PM.
good, then you have a 12 and are willing to go heads with me on a busa then?
I'll show you what 3 years racing 250cc motocross and 2 seasons production 750cc has done for me, not to mention the hundreds of thousands of road twisties...
this should be fun, btw, your not camera shy are ya?
not to throw gas on your embers here but...
you talk about how much racing you've done and all the twisties you ride yet I've never seen a pic of you riding hard like you say you do.
I'm not saying that you haven't, but others have posted up visual evidence of their exploits.
Care to share some of yours?
02SE
You are quoting a bike mag. As such, it counts for fuck all.
If you quote the full test, you will see they mention tailwinds. You also know not of their mods or the equipment used to measure speed. Bruntingthorpe is also sloped and is never used for records because of it. If you are a mag and wanting headlines what would you do?
You still do not seem to be finding ANY evidence of a Busa doing anything like these speeds in competition? Difficult is it?
Or will you quote me the Bike magazine 200.2mph run, on radar used for assessing the top speed of paddle boats. :roll: Even though they later retracted their speeds saying "200.2, from a bike gear restricted to 196".
It's a fallacy mate.
Go ask The Ice Man, he's been trying to replicate those speeds on all sorts of stock or near stock busas for a while now. And guess what, he is still well off 190 with unrestricted bikes, tailwinds and all.
Good rider, tailwind, high 180s. True top speed with no wind assistance, mid 180s every time. Every competition in the world has backed this up repeatedly over six years.
:bigfu:
Fastest Bicycle Speed
The highest speed ever achieved on a bicycle is 268.831 km/h (167.043 mph), by Fred Rompelberg (The Netherlands) at Bonneville Salt Flats, Utah, USA, on October 3, 1995. His record attempt was greatly assisted by the slipstream from his lead vehicle. Fred has been cycling professionally for nearly 30 years and during that time has held 11 world records.
Well your guess is wrong. I actually compete on closed courses with people who actually race.
But you on the other hand are quite the keyboard racer. what you up to, 50 words PM.
good, then you have a 12 and are willing to go heads with me on a busa then?
I'll show you what 3 years racing 250cc motocross and 2 seasons production 750cc has done for me, not to mention the hundreds of thousands of road twisties...
this should be fun, btw, your not camera shy are ya?
Well your guess is wrong. I actually compete on closed courses with people who actually race.
But you on the other hand are quite the keyboard racer. what you up to, 50 words PM.
good, then you have a 12 and are willing to go heads with me on a busa then?
I'll show you what 3 years racing 250cc motocross and 2 seasons production 750cc has done for me, not to mention the hundreds of thousands of road twisties...
this should be fun, btw, your not camera shy are ya?
I remember a few years back twisted and I holding our own in the twisties in Washington and I even had my girl on the back. I currently have videos of my Busa on the track and in the mountains squeezing by some of those new super bikes.
02SE
You are quoting a bike mag. As such, it counts for fuck all.
fk must be scotty, he pulls that shit to, he can post stuff but I cant rebuttle from the same media... :duh:
whatever suits em at the time I guess?
ghetto squid, they never behave... :lmao:
02SE
You are quoting a bike mag. As such, it counts for fuck all.
:lol:
You've been quoting bike mags for 6 years. :roll:
That's why I chose to refute your claims with a medium I felt you might understand. :lmao:
Furthermore, I already gave you an example of Scott Guthrie's run at Maxton.
But since you've been in such massive denial for 6 years now, you just can't accept reality. :lol2:
At Vegas yesterday at the World Press Intro, Ryan ran a 9.16 just lowered, pipe (Muzzy), and U4. I think he did a 9.6X showroom stock.
would that be BHP or RWHP? there is a difference scottish.... check the mag, dood dynoed both, z06 had more at the crank, GT had more to the ground...
I read that shit a in a magazine, if I cant use those numbers for my claim or even state I read them in a magazine then absolutely nothing you ever say can be taken seriously....
this is exactly what SE is talking about, you and FK can post numbers from mags but no one else can? WTF?
At Vegas yesterday at the World Press Intro, Ryan ran a 9.16 just lowered, pipe (Muzzy), and U4. I think he did a 9.6X showroom stock.
Ryan would run a 9.20 on a Busa set up the same... Point? Ryans ET to MPH clearly shows skill more than RWHP...
They also had some guy off bikeland post he ran a 10:40 in the mid 130,s on the 14. Sounds to me like it will be all down to the rider and mods done but it aint gonna just run away with the show like it was hyped up to be.But we will see soon enough one way or the other.Slightly faster yea maybe, alot faster -nopeAt Vegas yesterday at the World Press Intro, Ryan ran a 9.16 just lowered, pipe (Muzzy), and U4. I think he did a 9.6X showroom stock.
Ryan would run a 9.20 on a Busa set up the same... Point? Ryans ET to MPH clearly shows skill more than RWHP...
would that be BHP or RWHP? there is a difference scottish.... check the mag, dood dynoed both, z06 had more at the crank, GT had more to the ground...
I read that shit a in a magazine, if I cant use those numbers for my claim or even state I read them in a magazine then absolutely nothing you ever say can be taken seriously....
this is exactly what SE is talking about, you and FK can post numbers from mags but no one else can? WTF?
would that be BHP or RWHP? there is a difference scottish.... check the mag, dood dynoed both, z06 had more at the crank, GT had more to the ground...
I read that shit a in a magazine, if I cant use those numbers for my claim or even state I read them in a magazine then absolutely nothing you ever say can be taken seriously....
this is exactly what SE is talking about, you and FK can post numbers from mags but no one else can? WTF?
Twisted is right about the Z06 trans useing more hp. The trans in the z06 is the same one out of the viper only modified, the good thing is that trans has been proven to over 1k hp with no mods and with slight mods its good in low 8 second vipers. Its just a beefier heavier trans, but it will last, also uses 3 syncros in 1st to help with downshifts.
You want a trans that dont use up much power get a neon :)
would that be BHP or RWHP? there is a difference scottish.... check the mag, dood dynoed both, z06 had more at the crank, GT had more to the ground...
I read that shit a in a magazine, if I cant use those numbers for my claim or even state I read them in a magazine then absolutely nothing you ever say can be taken seriously....
this is exactly what SE is talking about, you and FK can post numbers from mags but no one else can? WTF?
Twisted is right about the Z06 trans useing more hp. The trans in the z06 is the same one out of the viper only modified, the good thing is that trans has been proven to over 1k hp with no mods and with slight mods its good in low 8 second vipers. Its just a beefier heavier trans, but it will last, also uses 3 syncros in 1st to help with downshifts.
You want a trans that dont use up much power get a neon :)
How can a car with less crank HP and a less efficient drivetrain have more RWHP? I listed the SAE certified crank HP ratings, but Nimrod doesn't believe them. The Z06 does NOT have more crank HP than a Ford GT, and if the Z06 drivetrain is less efficient then there's no way in hell its gonna have more RWHP.
I suspect cold fusion is helping power the new ZX-14 too. :P
BTW -- this is more interesting to talk about than the ZX-14 vs. Busa circle jerk ... :o :lol:
dood, I didnt put them on the dynos, the guy in the mag said the GT has a more efficient drivetrain, he also went on to say people skew things all the time when representing stuff, why would it be a surprise to you, false representation in america?
A 100% bone stock GT put down 523 to the wheels... :shock:
A 100% bone stock GT put down 523 to the wheels... :shock:
Is a gt really Bone stock? :lol:
Like saying a Bugatti is a production car :)
ahaha fucken nice lol. was the 10 comeing back on him around 100?? I would think 40 is still a little low for the full fury or a 10 to be unleashed. Try it from 80 :) I have massive respect for 500 plus hp cars. I want my Stealth to sit at around 450 awd hp and I will be happy, on pump gas of course.
Straight from the people that were there and RODE the bike...
MadMike's best today was 10.40 @ 138
Ryan Schnitz' was 9.65 @ 147
both on stock bikes.
Rickey G on the same stock bike ran a 9.92 at like 145... you saw ryans already. Brock Davidson ran a 10.18 and here are my stats from my best pass.
1.852 = 60'
4.634 = 330'
6.861 = 1/8th
110.48mph
8.774 = 1000
10.404 = 1/4
136.86mph
on that pass I bumped limiter going into 4th, righ at the traps.... So I am only geting into 4th for oh the last 75ft or less.... regear, lower, strap, and a pipe and this bike is going to be a monster at the strip....
oh Rickey only made like 2 passes on the stock bike....so he would have gotten into the 80's for sure... and if anyone is interested I weigh in at 240 with no gear, so you can figure your mph from there. ryan weighs 140 "maybe" and he ran 147, so like a 10mph slide... 137.4 was my best mph 4-5times... ____________
Sounds like just what we thought - a 1363 Busa.....
8. Taking the "word" of a forum member claiming he hit 194mph on a 100% stock busa and prancing around comparing it on the same level of legitamicy of an ECTA certified run at a sanctioned LSR course is so retarded it's beyond my understanding, and that's saying something!
Kinda like 9/10ths racing legitimacy.......... :lol:
8. Taking the "word" of a forum member claiming he hit 194mph on a 100% stock busa and prancing around comparing it on the same level of legitamicy of an ECTA certified run at a sanctioned LSR course is so retarded it's beyond my understanding, and that's saying something!
Kinda like 9/10ths racing legitimacy.......... :lol:
We actually provide witnesses and do our runs in large groups with other forum members present to verify the GPS. As for the 9/10th's legitmacy as a race... it's not a legit race at all, it's a glorified streetrace event that we hold everyweek and that has been held for over a decade in the same semi-organized manner.
8. Taking the "word" of a forum member claiming he hit 194mph on a 100% stock busa and prancing around comparing it on the same level of legitamicy of an ECTA certified run at a sanctioned LSR course is so retarded it's beyond my understanding, and that's saying something!
Kinda like 9/10ths racing legitimacy.......... :lol:
We actually provide witnesses and do our runs in large groups with other forum members present to verify the GPS. As for the 9/10th's legitmacy as a race... it's not a legit race at all, it's a glorified streetrace event that we hold everyweek and that has been held for over a decade in the same semi-organized manner.
Just reminding you of what you said.... 8)
1397 on the bench for exhaust and re-degree. Looking for consistent 154mph 1/4's now... I hope...
Actually it was .15 and 4mph... The MPH won't really show unless on the street in roll on's but the new 1000SS bikes out mph the Busa/12R also.
Actually it was .15 and 4mph... The MPH won't really show unless on the street in roll on's but the new 1000SS bikes out mph the Busa/12R also.
You mean on a 1/4 mile or top speed or both?
Standard gearing or what?
those results dont really say much at all?WHAT? 2/10's and 3 to 4 mph is a huge difference.
so a drag racer did runs on two stock sport touring bikes? wht does that tell you? they are basically equal at drag racing and one bike is slightly quicker?
posting drag racing results for these two bikes then saying one can still contend with the other is like saying you can use horse shit as an explosive, sure it works but horse shit is better used as a fertilizer.... :roll:
neither bike was designed for drag racing, they are both sport touring bikes, lets see them tested for their intended use, if you dont know how thats done, I can handle it... :wink:
Actually it was .15 and 4mph... The MPH won't really show unless on the street in roll on's but the new 1000SS bikes out mph the Busa/12R also. Remember also that Shine went 9.50 on a stock Busa as well...
I can't believe what Oilahedron just wrote.
Martyn Greathead is one of the many organisers of Straightliners. He is NEVER the timekeeper as he always races! The speeds are recorded on certified timing lights and sent back to the caravan computer by several people who work for Straightliners itself, which is owned and run by someone else.
The other event that the 12R holds the stock record id the 200mph event, which is run by Egg who is a Busa nut being an owner himself and my arch fucking rival for many a day.
You really are getting sad Oilheadron. Both events have certified lights and rely on their accuracy and fairness, otherwise they're out of work!
Knob.
:bigfu:
:roll:
Oilawanktron made an accusation specifically relating to an event I frequent. It is entirely appropriate to respond to the utter bullshit he spouted as he, and you, know fuck all about the event.
Now go sniff some more cock cheese.
:bigfu:
Keep it up FK, you know that we know that you were spraying your bike when you shouldn't have been. Naughty boy, you remember, you were always on here bragging about Martyn getting on your "stock" bike and beating Busas by 10-20 mph, then you blew it up on the spray later the same season ( just"testing", of course) and then after that the monster mph came to a sudden stop for some strange reason. :wink: Let it go or we'll pull out a bunch of your old quotes and make you look even worse. :yes:
Notice that this limpdick still hasn't explained how a ZX-12 can run 10-20 mph faster than a Busa?? And he never will, because they didn't, don't, won't, and never will. Not without cheating or some wildly unequal setup. Lying scumbag. I detest cheaters.
Now go fuck a goat.
:bigfu:
well now that thats done we will let the aftermarket decide WHO is king
cause last time i checked not many people are leaving their bikes stock
I'll run ANYBODY ON THE PLANET in a fair 9/10 race (starting from a roll at any speed the '12 rider chooses; it won't matter). Me on a NEW showroom stock Busa, the loser on a NEW showroom stock '12. No cheating, no pink slips bullshit, no special prep on either bike. The '12 loser can even choose BOTH model years. Won't make any difference. The Busa will win, the '12 will lose. Been there, done that, got the t-shirt. Many, many times over. For about 6 years. :twisted:Yeah!
P.S. All I ask is that the '12 rider/loser weigh within 10lb of me either way. Naah...make it 20 lb. Won't make any difference. (I weigh about 182, will a 20 lb spread be enough to cover your baby fat p12? I'd hate for a fat ass punk to have an excuse for losing.)
It could prove to be a moot point, not likely a mute one.
... and my money says suzuki will sell more busas than kawasaki sells 14s in 2006... :wink:
... and my money says suzuki will sell more busas than kawasaki sells 14s in 2006... :wink:
Probably not since the ZX14 is something new and the Busa isn't for 06.
I'll run ANYBODY ON THE PLANET in a fair 9/10 race (starting from a roll at any speed the '12 rider chooses; it won't matter). Me on a NEW showroom stock Busa, the loser on a NEW showroom stock '12. No cheating, no pink slips bullshit, no special prep on either bike. The '12 loser can even choose BOTH model years. Won't make any difference. The Busa will win, the '12 will lose. Been there, done that, got the t-shirt. Many, many times over. For about 6 years. :twisted:
P.S. All I ask is that the '12 rider/loser weigh within 10lb of me either way. Naah...make it 20 lb. Won't make any difference. (I weigh about 182, will a 20 lb spread be enough to cover your baby fat p12? I'd hate for a fat ass punk to have an excuse for losing.)
Double P.S. We'll figure out a way to make the loser (whoever it is :roll:) to end up paying for both bikes, or lose both of them, or whatever. I can afford it, but I don't have to worry about losing anyway.
Faintcum12, I'm not some girl who runs the same bike a bunch of mph slower than a REAL rider does. Count on it kid. I'll be glad to demonstrate who's clueless and who isn't. :twisted: Am I a great rider? Probably not. Do I have to be in this case? Fuck no. You lose.
that race has already happened, well a stock busa against a muzzy piped 12, 1 mile roll, busa won, busa won in the twisties, busa won in comfort, busa won in fuel consuption and price paid for the fuel, busa won in the "spark plug change race" busa won in the "engine drop race", busa had younger better looking women on it, in fact the only category the 12 won was the "goat haul" category, the busa hauls 0 goats, meanwhile the 12 can haul as many as 2 at a time... :wink:
that race has already happened, well a stock busa against a muzzy piped 12, 1 mile roll, busa won, busa won in the twisties, busa won in comfort, busa won in fuel consuption and price paid for the fuel, busa won in the "spark plug change race" busa won in the "engine drop race", busa had younger better looking women on it, in fact the only category the 12 won was the "goat haul" category, the busa hauls 0 goats, meanwhile the 12 can haul as many as 2 at a time... :wink:
That's actually pretty funny! :D
my money says the 2006 zx10 gets to the speed restriction from a 70mph roll quicker than a 2006 zx14....First off ZX10's are not restricted, factory gearing will only allow 184-186mph at red line in 6th, so no need for a restrictor.