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Title: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: VPN on February 17, 2006, 02:13:37 AM
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Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: E-RACER on February 17, 2006, 02:21:26 AM
I was just going to post the same link..

pretty good test and pretty much I expected the outcome would be!!

Busa is not to far behind for 7 year old design!!!

 :D
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: THEMOTORHEAD on February 17, 2006, 02:23:56 AM
well now that thats done we will let the aftermarket decide WHO is king
cause last time i checked not many people are leaving their bikes stock
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Twisted on February 17, 2006, 03:46:54 AM
those results dont really say much at all?

so a drag racer did runs on two stock sport touring bikes? wht does that tell you? they are basically equal at drag racing and one bike is slightly quicker?

posting drag racing results for these two bikes then saying one can still contend with the other is like saying you can use horse shit as an explosive, sure it works but horse shit is better used as a fertilizer....  :roll:

neither bike was designed for drag racing, they are both sport touring bikes, lets see them tested for their intended use, if you dont know how thats done, I can handle it...  :wink:
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: gnd111 on February 17, 2006, 08:56:21 AM
well now that thats done we will let the aftermarket decide WHO is king
cause last time i checked not many people are leaving their bikes stock

I think it was decided a long time ago... :lol:
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: show2ime2000 on February 17, 2006, 09:15:09 AM
So what, we should let Matt mladin do dragstrip testing for them? Most people I know drag there Busas so that's why we want those numbers. 1/4 mile times sell sportbikes and sportscars for that matter. If I want a touring bike I will buy a goldwing...
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: 02 busa se on February 17, 2006, 09:22:35 AM
Quote
     if its suppose to be the most powerful kawi engine to date..it should have no problem running a lower number (1/4 mile) then the  12r, and Im sure for the first major test in the mags Kawi will get the best rider, best bike..monday bike, and make enough runs till they get a faster time....numbers sell bikes and with those looks its goign to need a good number....I predict 9.7        

nice guess..............
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Cecil_Stringer on February 17, 2006, 09:58:43 AM
Straight from Rickey Gladson (http://www.psychobike.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=1;t=22368;)

During a top secret test in Phoenix Arizona, with whether conditions, a beautiful 80 degrees with an adjusted altitude of 1800 ft.........a 2006 Hayabusa and a 2006 Kawasaki ZX14 were run head to head, both with 800 miles on them, both with stock gearing,stock pipes, stock height, stock tires(same air pressure),stock settings on chassis,same gas out of same jug(pump), and same rider(me)
alternating between both bikes after 4 runs a piece.

After 4 runs on the Hayabusa, a baseline ET of 9.92@ 141.55 (STOCK HEIGHT)

4 runs on the ZX14 netted a baseline of 9.77 at 145.89

after 6 sets of 4 runs a piece ,the best numbers looked like this
Hayabusa............. ZX
1.66.................... 1.66
4.31.................... 4.34
6.34.................... 6.27
114.44 mph.......... 117.10 mph

9.901 @ 142.00      9.755 @ 146.20    STOCK HEIGHT!!!!!!!

Without being biased, if anyone ever gets a chance to ride the 2 bikes, one behind the other, you too will be amazed at how much of a difference you feel in acceleration.

(http://www.psychobike.com/iB_html/uploads/post-1-58376-ZX14_003.jpg)


The 06 Busa is still a respectable and capable motorcycle!

From Rickey...

As promised..........................here are the official numbers and info everyone around the country is waiting for.

I am doing this as a public service so lets not let this get out of hand with the non-believers.

These are real production motorcycles and the performances are real, and realistic, and can be duplicated with any off the shelf ZX14, cause we have tested more than one with same results.
I hope no one has built up there expectations so high that the real numbers are un-impressive.........................but here it is.

2006 Kawasaki ZX14
mods-------slammed
                no air filter
THATS IT!!!!

Stock pipes
stock gearing
87 octane pump gas
stock tires
ABSOLUTELY NO TRICKS

60ft ............... 1.56
330ft  ............. 4.04
660ft  ..............6.08 @ 120.90
1000ft  ............7.85

1320ft              9.36 @ 147.71

remember this was acheived with stock gearing, most notable was 47 runs in one day with same clutch.
At one point we made 12 back to back runs, clutch is UNBELIEVABLE!!!   STOCK GEARING!!!!!!!!

Torque is unbeleivable, and allows you to leave under 4000 RPM and still have to fight the front wheel.

(http://www.psychobike.com/iB_html/uploads/post-1-56903-ZX14_010.jpg)

I think even more impressive than that is the results me and Coby got with a 6 inch over arm (64 inches).

MODS

64 inches
Pirelli
Air shifter
MR9
SLIP ON MUZZYS CANISTER
no Air filter
1 tooth smaller counter shaft(16)

1.36 1.37
3.66 3.68
5.59 @ 126.55 5.62 @125.73
7.28 7.32

8.73 @ 154.55       8.78 @ 153.54

PS - blue bottle is for Air Shifter not nitrous!

(http://www.psychobike.com/iB_html/uploads/post-1-57699-ZX14_008.jpg)
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: 02 busa se on February 17, 2006, 10:38:48 AM
I think the 02 SE is going up for sale..time for a change.
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Neighborhood Creep on February 17, 2006, 10:39:34 AM
those results dont really say much at all?

so a drag racer did runs on two stock sport touring bikes? wht does that tell you? they are basically equal at drag racing and one bike is slightly quicker?

posting drag racing results for these two bikes then saying one can still contend with the other is like saying you can use horse shit as an explosive, sure it works but horse shit is better used as a fertilizer....  :roll:

neither bike was designed for drag racing, they are both sport touring bikes, lets see them tested for their intended use, if you dont know how thats done, I can handle it...  :wink:

WHAT? 2/10's and 3 to 4 mph is a huge difference.
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: gnd111 on February 17, 2006, 10:45:03 AM
those results dont really say much at all?

so a drag racer did runs on two stock sport touring bikes? wht does that tell you? they are basically equal at drag racing and one bike is slightly quicker?

posting drag racing results for these two bikes then saying one can still contend with the other is like saying you can use horse shit as an explosive, sure it works but horse shit is better used as a fertilizer....  :roll:

neither bike was designed for drag racing, they are both sport touring bikes, lets see them tested for their intended use, if you dont know how thats done, I can handle it...  :wink:

WHAT? 2/10's and 3 to 4 mph is a huge difference.

Actually it was .15 and 4mph...  The MPH won't really show unless on the street in roll on's but the new 1000SS bikes out mph the Busa/12R also.  Remember also that Shine went 9.50 on a stock Busa as well... 
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Neighborhood Creep on February 17, 2006, 10:50:22 AM
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Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: gnd111 on February 17, 2006, 10:54:14 AM
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Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Revalot # 1 on February 17, 2006, 11:25:51 AM
I think the 02 SE is going up for sale..time for a change.

What IF a New busa is coming, We should know by JUNE/July, I would not jump ship.
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: VPN on February 17, 2006, 11:48:41 AM
The new Busa should be announced at May
and getting shipped as an early release at August
1497cc, 200hp on back wheel, heavy but affordable
 :hellno:
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Quijinn on February 17, 2006, 12:05:05 PM
New busa would have to have alot more then 100 cc or even 30 more hp before I would sell mine and buy a new one. Sorry I dont like first year anything, to many issues can arise.

Plus sell my bike get maybe 8k New bike 12k 4k difference for say 30 hp more. 1397 or turbo would do a good deal more hp then that. So unless they do alot of really good stuff that I would need to do anyway, plus looks I will stick with my bike.
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: ZEUS on February 17, 2006, 12:33:54 PM
If I get anything new it will be the new Busa.  But you can see that Kaw was trying for speed on top just look at how long the cans are on the exhaust!
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Busa@11K on February 17, 2006, 12:57:13 PM
Suzuki better unveil their new secret weapon ... they knew the ZX-14 was coming a long time ago I'd bet.  New Busa on the horizon to compete IMO. :yes:

In the mean time, we'll have to listen to the ZX squirrels enjoy their 4 months of glory. :lol2:
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Twisted on February 17, 2006, 01:27:26 PM
So what, we should let Matt mladin do dragstrip testing for them? Most people I know drag there Busas so that's why we want those numbers. 1/4 mile times sell sportbikes and sportscars for that matter. If I want a touring bike I will buy a goldwing...


my goodness!


how long have you been riding sportbikes? 1/4 mile times don't sell any bikes, cept maybe a hardley... fact is only a tiny tiny fraction of the people that purchase sportbikes run 1/4 mile, AMA road racing sells sportbikes, along with WSB and motoGP...

these bikes are not intended for drag racing period! they are road bikes designed for roads that have bends in them and this so called test don't prove squat, all ricky is saying is that my liiterbike will wax a 14 in the 1/4 mile... allready know it will litterally SHRED it in the twisties..

feel the acceleration? jeez could it have lighter rims and possibly a few more HP?  whats the wheelbase on the 14?

like I said, lets wait for the REAL results, for now we know what they will do from stop light to stop light, an above average rider on a busa can beat an average rider on a 14, WoW!
and to think with the 14 you get all that modern styling and design....

if you think the 14 is a modern marvel perhaps you should run out and buy one? btw, the 05 zx10 had a better 1/4 mile time than the 05 gsxr 1000, I have seen maybe 4 of them in seattle and maybe 100 GSXRs, how do you explain that?
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Twisted on February 17, 2006, 01:37:36 PM
Suzuki better unveil their new secret weapon ... they knew the ZX-14 was coming a long time ago I'd bet.  New Busa on the horizon to compete IMO. :yes:

In the mean time, we'll have to listen to the ZX squirrels enjoy their 4 months of glory. :lol2:

busa wont change, suzuki will let their literbike handle the 14, well unless ricky is onboard, I dont recall suzuki giving him a gixxer to test...  :roll:

and remember scotty 1/4 mile times sell the z06, not lap times! and beware of the mighty 14, your about to be passed...  :lmao:
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Mospeada on February 17, 2006, 02:03:07 PM
Looks like Kawi finally did there homework. I'm much more impressed that the clutch also looks like it's holding up. Still, it'll be a hard bike to to wrench on.

I, for one, am not worried about it. Can't wait to race one. They look like they are about as fast as a K5, only the front end is staying down.
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: jeffw on February 17, 2006, 02:10:22 PM
Sure would be nice to see a production bike run......not a 1 or 2 special.
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: denise richards on February 17, 2006, 02:23:59 PM
WOW.THAT 14 PRETTY MUCH STOMPED THE BUSA A NEW ONE :shock: :shock:

8.7S WITH BOLTONS THATS SOMETHING EVEN STAGE1 TURBOS DONT RUN:shock: :shock:

TRAPSPEEDS 150+ :shock:

CONGRATS KAWI.WELL DONE :D

LETS HOPE SUZUKI COMES OUT WITH SOMETHING THAT WILL BLOW THAT 14 OUT OF IT WAY 8)
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: mrcisco on February 17, 2006, 03:17:04 PM
I figured the zx-14 would be a hair bit faster, but not much. I still would buy a Busa over a 14, I think they are ugly as hell. After 7 years of the same design, I would hope Suzuki has a new busa coming out for next year. But, rumors have been speculating this for the last couple of years. Suzuki would be stupid if they kept the same design for next year.
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: mrcisco on February 17, 2006, 03:28:26 PM
Hell, now I'm thinking about putting a turbo on my busa. Is their anyone that has a turbo Busa and what kind, how much did it cost them? Just curious.
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Busa@11K on February 17, 2006, 03:31:13 PM
and remember scotty 1/4 mile times sell the z06, not lap times! and beware of the mighty 14, your about to be passed...  :lmao:

Did I just hear a squirrel chewing on some nuts? ... :lol2:
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: foresteronw on February 17, 2006, 03:34:06 PM

8.7S WITH BOLTONS THATS SOMETHING EVEN STAGE1 TURBOS DONT RUN:shock: :shock:

TRAPSPEEDS 150+ :shock:



Superstreetbike got a Busa with simlar mods into the 8's not that long ago.  Still impressive as hell though.  I will say it's much closer than I thought, I figured for sure it would be a much more one sided event.
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Anton on February 17, 2006, 03:43:39 PM
I'm glad i got my THEMOTORHEAD Ghetto Turbo kit, should get me covered for a while  :P 8) :lol:
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: FastBikes4Life on February 17, 2006, 03:51:53 PM
I'm glad they included those MODS numbers because I wasn't very impressed by the stock numbers. If someone with some skill on a Busa (or ZX-10R, GSX-R1000) challenges you, you're going to be in for a long day unless your skills are up to par. I saw the 14 at the Chicago International Bike Show and Kawasaki listed 474 pounds as the dry weight. Isn't the ZX-12R 475 pounds? I thought there were going to be significant weight changes to this bike.

Finally, it seems to me that all Suzuki has to do to make the Hayabusa compete on par with this bike is unload the dual exhaust in favor of a lighter titanium single side and apply the same recipe to the Hayabusa as they did the GSX-R1000. When the 1K debuted (2001) it delivered about 140 horses to the rear wheel. 4 years later it delivered a solid 150. The Hayabusa delivered 155 to the rearwheel in 1999. With similar changes to the motor, head and programming I don't see why the ole 1300 can't put 165 to the rear wheel. Go up a couple teeth in the back (since top speed doesn't matter anymore) and the Busa is neck and neck - if not ahead of Kawasaki's flagship bike with a 7 year old design. In my opinion Kawasaki should have come out with a bigger statement than this. Further, I know they're capable of doing so because the ZX-10R is a monster!

Fast
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Twisted on February 17, 2006, 07:58:15 PM
I'm glad they included those MODS numbers because I wasn't very impressed by the stock numbers. If someone with some skill on a Busa (or ZX-10R, GSX-R1000) challenges you, you're going to be in for a long day unless your skills are up to par.

nothing will help the 14 against a gixxer, why do you think they gave a bike to a straight line guy and not the editors of the U.K magazines? why do you think they haven't released the wheelbase and weight numbers?

because they are trying to hype it up with a straight line number in a 1/4 mile then drop the bomb on you after they catch your attention...

I wish Rickey had the nuts to take that piece of shit to a road course, I would pack up the gixxer right now and meet him there personally just to show him what a fucking pig that thing REALLY is....

left my wallet in El-Segundo...  :roll:
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: KevinStough on February 17, 2006, 08:40:19 PM
Too damn hard to get past the zx14's ugly factor.... :bah:
I don't think it will be long before Suzuki steps up to the plate .
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Busa@11K on February 17, 2006, 11:17:41 PM
nothing will help the 14 against a gixxer, why do you think they gave a bike to a straight line guy and not the editors of the U.K magazines? why do you think they haven't released the wheelbase and weight numbers?

because they are trying to hype it up with a straight line number in a 1/4 mile then drop the bomb on you after they catch your attention...


As usual, the lack of logic and knowledge shows.  The ZX-14 isn't in the same class as an R1 or GSX-R1000.  It's in the same class as the Hayabusa ... a big sport touring bike.  The Hayabusa is one of the best platforms for a drag bike ... and so will be the ZX-14.  It will probably handle the backroads just as well too.  Kawasaki is going after the Hayabusa's market ... anyone who knows anything about bikes should realize that. :yes:
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: blkjckss on February 17, 2006, 11:19:41 PM
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Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Twisted on February 18, 2006, 12:11:10 AM
nothing will help the 14 against a gixxer, why do you think they gave a bike to a straight line guy and not the editors of the U.K magazines? why do you think they haven't released the wheelbase and weight numbers?

because they are trying to hype it up with a straight line number in a 1/4 mile then drop the bomb on you after they catch your attention...


As usual, the lack of logic and knowledge shows.  The ZX-14 isn't in the same class as an R1 or GSX-R1000.  It's in the same class as the Hayabusa ... a big sport touring bike.  The Hayabusa is one of the best platforms for a drag bike ... and so will be the ZX-14.  It will probably handle the backroads just as well too.  Kawasaki is going after the Hayabusa's market ... anyone who knows anything about bikes should realize that. :yes:


yea scotty your the only one that knows anything, I forgot that...  :roll:

another feeble attempt at interpreting someones post then adding your thoughts on what you think someone is saying...  :duh: get a grip man, or you tell me why kawasaki hasn't released the weight and wheelbase numbers?

these fucking bikes aren't designed or built for any "drag racing platforms" they are road bikes, high performance sport touring bikes, Kawasaki taunted the fucking 14 as a "superbike" go look at their website...

the huge majority of the people that buy these bikes wont drag race them, they will use them for their intended use, sport touring, the rest of the world rides scotty, most of the REAL posers are in the U.S. but you wouldn't know anythingabout that would you?

I never claimed to know shit about bikes, I just ride them like I do...

now lets hear your interpretation of what I am saying here...
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Busa@11K on February 18, 2006, 12:20:35 AM

yea scotty your the only one that knows anything, I forgot that...  :roll:

another feeble attempt at interpreting someones post then adding your thoughts on what you think someone is saying...  :duh: get a grip man, or you tell me why kawasaki hasn't released the weight and wheelbase numbers?

these fucking bikes aren't designed or built for any "drag racing platforms" they are road bikes, high performance sport touring bikes, Kawasaki taunted the fucking 14 as a "superbike" go look at their website...

the huge majority of the people that buy these bikes wont drag race them, they will use them for their intended use, sport touring, the rest of the world rides scotty, most of the REAL posers are in the U.S. but you wouldn't know anythingabout that would you?

I never claimed to know shit about bikes, I just ride them like I do...

now lets hear your interpretation of what I am saying here...


The ZX-14 and Busa are very capable drag bikes ... fuck just go to the drag strip sometime.  You make it sound like they are competition for the liter bikes. :duh:  Any squid with more than half a brain in his caved in skull can see that.  I didn't mean that the ZX-14 and Busa were specifically designed to be drag bikes ... but that is something that A LOT of owners do with the bike.  You said they are "sport touring" bikes above ... something that does not fit in to the liter bike class like you seem to be thinking they should be in.  They are NOT in the same class of bikes ... say that 50 times in a row. :roll:

So my interpretion of what you said above is .... "I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about, but if I use some of the same words Scotty did then he'll think I do know what I'm talkin' about."

 :P
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: rumble phish on February 18, 2006, 12:42:59 AM
I don't drag race, I ride twisties. The 14 looks like it's backing up the hype in a straight line. I'd like to see a real world road test see how it does in the twisties before I make any designs.

I know how the Busa handles the curves and I have been so happy with it that I made it my track bike.

I liked the 14 from the start ( I've sworn no allegiance. I owned a 12 before the Busa and loved it too) and I've been seriously considering it for my "touring" bike. You know, the bike for the real world to take the wife with me on a long trip (sorry, I know you guys hate the 14's seat, but I'm sure the little woman will be comfy on it.)

I hear a lot of scared Busa owners on this board, and some that are ready to jump ship now that the #'s are out.

You guys are funny.  :lol:
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Twisted on February 18, 2006, 12:51:36 AM
who fucking said they didn't work as drag bikes? a fucking moped will work as a drag bike...

they are sport touring bikes, kawasaki claims the 14 is a superbike, world SUPERBIKE uses 1000s in the class so does AMA SUPERBIKE, flame kawasaki they said it...

you are trying to turn this into something it isn't, as usual...

my POINT IS, a fucking run on a drag strip don't mean shit! these are road bikes, just like the gixxer, if ricky wants to bring it to a road course I will see what I can do about getting a stock busa to show him WHAT A PIG THE 14 REALLY IS if that will make you happy scotty...

think about it? do you really think kawasaki needs ricky to test the bike? you don't think kawasaki has their own proving grounds? only the largest in the world..


do you really think kawasaki hasn't had the bike on a road course yet? of course they have, and they know the busa will rip it, thats why they brought it to the states and put it on a drag strip before they release the "road" specs, they are looking for a few suckers to buy into it, apparently they found a few....

damn scotty you're behaving just like a fucking woman...

read what kawasaki says about the bike and tell me what YOU think they are saying... fuck me!

http://www.kawasaki.com/product_category.asp?category=2&tag=motorcycle





Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Quijinn on February 18, 2006, 12:54:02 AM
 :whaa: :talk: :talk: :yes: :zzz: :mrgreen: :lmao:
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Twisted on February 18, 2006, 12:54:52 AM


I don't drag race, I ride twisties. The 14 looks like it's backing up the hype in a straight line. I'd like to see a real world road test see how it does in the twisties before I make any designs.

I know how the Busa handles the curves and I have been so happy with it that I made it my track bike.

I liked the 14 from the start ( I've sworn no allegiance. I owned a 12 before the Busa and loved it too) and I've been seriously considering it for my "touring" bike. You know, the bike for the real world to take the wife with me on a long trip (sorry, I know you guys hate the 14's seat, but I'm sure the little woman will be comfy on it.)

I hear a lot of scared Busa owners on this board, and some that are ready to jump ship now that the #'s are out.

You guys are funny.  :lol:



whos scared? like I said I will rock that 14 on my gixxer, hows 1000 dollars and one handed sound?
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Twisted on February 18, 2006, 12:57:01 AM
haha funny....
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Twisted on February 18, 2006, 01:00:50 AM
shit scotty kawasaki has the 14 in the same class as their ten, I know the ten isnt in the same class as the gixxer but it does have the same CCs, hell I was gonna do kawasaki a favor and run the 14 against a puny little literbike....

from kawasakis website...

Welcome to the leading edge of power, performance and exhilaration. Kawasaki is passionate about motorcycles. It’s who we are, and what we do!

Ninja®ZX™-14
If high-performance sportbikes are your passion, then we’ve got just the street-carver for you. Introducing, the new Ninja ZX-14, our most powerful sportbike ever at 1,352cc.

The blending of form, power, and handling characteristics deliver a debut motorcycle that is so balanced in all aspects, the word “ultimate” barely seems adequate when describing it.

This all new in-line four has evolved from the ZX-12R and features a bore and stroke of 84mm x 61mm packed into a purposefully designed compact package that minimizes engine width, leaving it at virtually the same width as the 12R.

The engine uses a secondary balancer to tame unwanted vibrations, and a direct-actuation shift lever is lighter than conventional linkage-type set-ups, offering a more direct feel for the rider.

The ZX-14’s chassis design is every bit the equal of its power plant. It is an advanced version of Kawasaki’s unique aluminum monocoque frame -- lightweight and very strong.

Offering a very relaxed sport riding position, it is compact without being cramped. The foot pegs are low-set to give ample leg room, and the low seat height and narrow seat front make planting feet on the ground a cinch when stopped. Available Spring 2006.
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Busa@11K on February 18, 2006, 01:08:43 AM

I clearly made a point specific thread for you two  :arrow: :arrow: THE OFFICIAL - Busa@11k & Twisted BASH Thread (http://www.suzukihayabusa.org/forum/index.php?topic=66378.0)

Would you two take it over there, for god's sake! :roll:

Don't ya see that EVERY THREAD is now in that state !?  :lol: :P
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Twisted on February 18, 2006, 01:13:33 AM
yea, scotty got nutt'n better to do than try and twist my every word, unfortunately for him I am way to clever for schoolboy tricks...

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Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Busa@11K on February 18, 2006, 01:14:36 AM
who fucking said they didn't work as drag bikes? a fucking moped will work as a drag bike...

they are sport touring bikes, kawasaki claims the 14 is a superbike, world SUPERBIKE uses 1000s in the class so does AMA SUPERBIKE, flame kawasaki they said it...

you are trying to turn this into something it isn't, as usual...

my POINT IS, a fucking run on a drag strip don't mean shit! these are road bikes, just like the gixxer, if ricky wants to bring it to a road course I will see what I can do about getting a stock busa to show him WHAT A PIG THE 14 REALLY IS if that will make you happy scotty...

think about it? do you really think kawasaki needs ricky to test the bike? you don't think kawasaki has their own proving grounds? only the largest in the world..

do you really think kawasaki hasn't had the bike on a road course yet? of course they have, and they know the busa will rip it, thats why they brought it to the states and put it on a drag strip before they release the "road" specs, they are looking for a few suckers to buy into it, apparently they found a few....

damn scotty you're behaving just like a fucking woman...

read what kawasaki says about the bike and tell me what YOU think they are saying... fuck me!

http://www.kawasaki.com/product_category.asp?category=2&tag=motorcycle


No wonder you're handle is Twisted ... you're and expert at twisting shit all around.

Repeat this 1000 times:  "The ZX-14 and Hayabusa are not in the same class as liter bikes!"

Also repeat this 1000 times: "The ZX-14 and Hayabusa are in the same class."  Both are big, heavy, fast, ugly (to someone), can be used for touring and handle pretty damn good on the street.

You're reading shit between the lines from Kawasaki ... it's advertising you nut chewer. :duh:  I don't see anything in Kawasaki's words that says it's made to compete with liter bikes.  WTF are ya smokin' tonight?  :P
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Busa@11K on February 18, 2006, 01:16:19 AM
yea, scotty got nutt'n better to do than try and twist my every word, unfortunately for him I am way to clever for schoolboy tricks...


You're the one that Twists your own words ... you say different shit in the same frickin' thread.  Every post has some kind of contradiction.  Pick a nut and chew on only one for consistency.  :x :lol:
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: boosted1k on February 18, 2006, 01:33:03 AM
I will be impressed with the zx14 if it can turbo easy and can handle the power like a busa can. The busa main desgin was to be as aerodynamic as possible. If the zx14 can also prove it takes less power to make it go fast in the topend then i will have to say kawasaki out did them selves :wink:
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: VPN on February 18, 2006, 06:03:25 AM
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What is that?
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Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: VegasDude on February 18, 2006, 01:28:41 PM
I am happy the 14 is coming out. Hopefully it will push the Busa in 07 to greater heights..............1450, maybe..........
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Twisted on February 18, 2006, 02:06:02 PM
who fucking said they didn't work as drag bikes? a fucking moped will work as a drag bike...

they are sport touring bikes, kawasaki claims the 14 is a superbike, world SUPERBIKE uses 1000s in the class so does AMA SUPERBIKE, flame kawasaki they said it...

you are trying to turn this into something it isn't, as usual...

my POINT IS, a fucking run on a drag strip don't mean shit! these are road bikes, just like the gixxer, if ricky wants to bring it to a road course I will see what I can do about getting a stock busa to show him WHAT A PIG THE 14 REALLY IS if that will make you happy scotty...

think about it? do you really think kawasaki needs ricky to test the bike? you don't think kawasaki has their own proving grounds? only the largest in the world..

do you really think kawasaki hasn't had the bike on a road course yet? of course they have, and they know the busa will rip it, thats why they brought it to the states and put it on a drag strip before they release the "road" specs, they are looking for a few suckers to buy into it, apparently they found a few....

damn scotty you're behaving just like a fucking woman...

read what kawasaki says about the bike and tell me what YOU think they are saying... fuck me!

http://www.kawasaki.com/product_category.asp?category=2&tag=motorcycle


No wonder you're handle is Twisted ... you're and expert at twisting shit all around.

Repeat this 1000 times:  "The ZX-14 and Hayabusa are not in the same class as liter bikes!"

Also repeat this 1000 times: "The ZX-14 and Hayabusa are in the same class."  Both are big, heavy, fast, ugly (to someone), can be used for touring and handle pretty damn good on the street.

You're reading shit between the lines from Kawasaki ... it's advertising you nut chewer. :duh:  I don't see anything in Kawasaki's words that says it's made to compete with liter bikes.  WTF are ya smokin' tonight?  :P



dood, I will try one more time to explain this to you...

first go to kaws website...

then click on motorcycles...

then click on supersport, you will see the 6, 10, 12, 14 all in this catagory... simple right, its not an advertising scheme, kawasaki taunts the 12 and 14 as a supersport bike, not me!!!

READ WHAT KAWASAKI SAYS ABOUT THE 14!!!! jeeezes are you dense man or what?

also this thread was never about weather or not the literbikes and 14 are in the same class, you created that in your own mind, apparently so you could contradict someone then ridicule them in an effort to make yourself appear intelligent, your turning into a leg humper, what next you gonna join the union too?

you are the one that started in by claiming I was saying things I wasnt saying, shit scotty do you have to pollute every thread you read?

drag racing numbers dont say shit about either of these bikes intended useage!!!!!!!!!!! get that through that brick you call a noggin and quite fucking with every thread you come across!
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Twisted on February 18, 2006, 02:14:42 PM
from kawasakis website...

Welcome to the leading edge of power, performance and exhilaration. Kawasaki is passionate about motorcycles. It’s who we are, and what we do!

Ninja®ZX™-14
If high-performance sportbikes are your passion, then we’ve got just the street-carver for you. Introducing, the new Ninja ZX-14, our most powerful sportbike ever at 1,352cc.

The blending of form, power, and handling characteristics deliver a debut motorcycle that is so balanced in all aspects, the word “ultimate” barely seems adequate when describing it.

This all new in-line four has evolved from the ZX-12R and features a bore and stroke of 84mm x 61mm packed into a purposefully designed compact package that minimizes engine width, leaving it at virtually the same width as the 12R.

The engine uses a secondary balancer to tame unwanted vibrations, and a direct-actuation shift lever is lighter than conventional linkage-type set-ups, offering a more direct feel for the rider.

The ZX-14’s chassis design is every bit the equal of its power plant. It is an advanced version of Kawasaki’s unique aluminum monocoque frame -- lightweight and very strong.

Offering a very relaxed sport riding position, it is compact without being cramped. The foot pegs are low-set to give ample leg room, and the low seat height and narrow seat front make planting feet on the ground a cinch when stopped. Available Spring 2006.


now do they not claim this bike is a "sportbike" or a "sport touring" bike?

my point is they advertise it as something its not!!!

"The blending of form, power, and handling characteristics deliver a debut motorcycle that is so balanced in all aspects, the word “ultimate” barely seems adequate when describing it."

if this bike is so "ultimate" why would it be unfair to run it against a puny little underpowered literbike?

also they don't say jack about 1/4 mile times or even attempt to claim any type of prowess on the strip.....

its fucking junk, and I cant wait till Baily gets his so I can flood the internet with video of a REAL supersport bike beating that mutt like a red headed step child all over the 206....

have a nice day knucklehead
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: denise richards on February 18, 2006, 03:02:09 PM

8.7S WITH BOLTONS THATS SOMETHING EVEN STAGE1 TURBOS DONT RUN:shock: :shock:

TRAPSPEEDS 150+ :shock:



Superstreetbike got a Busa with simlar mods into the 8's not that long ago.  Still impressive as hell though.  I will say it's much closer than I thought, I figured for sure it would be a much more one sided event.
BEFORE THE BS GETS TOO DEEP,THEY USED A 30SHOT ON THAT BUSA :duh:

8.7s is flat out insane.
how many turbo(st 1)guys ran that?even slammed and stretched?
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: flfiremedic on February 18, 2006, 03:23:13 PM
Go back and look at the stock numbers.  Kawai spent how much for THOSE gains!  Who in their right mind is gonna drop another $11K for that kind of gain.  Keep the busa spend $1K or so and get the same gain.  With those numbers, its gonna be the rider not the brand.  And I still say give em both 3 or 4 thousand to spend on mods and then be the judge.  Those numbers don't even really qualify for bragging rights.
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: 02SE on February 18, 2006, 03:25:14 PM

8.7S WITH BOLTONS THATS SOMETHING EVEN STAGE1 TURBOS DONT RUN:shock: :shock:

TRAPSPEEDS 150+ :shock:



Superstreetbike got a Busa with simlar mods into the 8's not that long ago.  Still impressive as hell though.  I will say it's much closer than I thought, I figured for sure it would be a much more one sided event.
BEFORE THE BS GETS TOO DEEP,THEY USED A 30SHOT ON THAT BUSA :duh:


No they didn't. 

The Superstreetbike article, was a comparison of the 'Busa, and GSXR1000, each with the same bolt-on mods. Pipe, Power Commander, extended arms, -1 tooth on front sprocket, lowered.

The Rider was Larry Laye. The Busa made it into the 8's, W/ 151+ mph trapspeed. The GSXR didn't make it into the 8's.

Stock motors, no nitrous.
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Twisted on February 18, 2006, 03:30:35 PM
and all this is related to the 14 how?  :?
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Neighborhood Creep on February 18, 2006, 03:43:50 PM
from kawasakis website...

Welcome to the leading edge of power, performance and exhilaration. Kawasaki is passionate about motorcycles. It’s who we are, and what we do!

Ninja®ZX™-14
If high-performance sportbikes are your passion, then we’ve got just the street-carver for you. Introducing, the new Ninja ZX-14, our most powerful sportbike ever at 1,352cc.

The blending of form, power, and handling characteristics deliver a debut motorcycle that is so balanced in all aspects, the word “ultimate” barely seems adequate when describing it.

This all new in-line four has evolved from the ZX-12R and features a bore and stroke of 84mm x 61mm packed into a purposefully designed compact package that minimizes engine width, leaving it at virtually the same width as the 12R.

The engine uses a secondary balancer to tame unwanted vibrations, and a direct-actuation shift lever is lighter than conventional linkage-type set-ups, offering a more direct feel for the rider.

The ZX-14’s chassis design is every bit the equal of its power plant. It is an advanced version of Kawasaki’s unique aluminum monocoque frame -- lightweight and very strong.

Offering a very relaxed sport riding position, it is compact without being cramped. The foot pegs are low-set to give ample leg room, and the low seat height and narrow seat front make planting feet on the ground a cinch when stopped. Available Spring 2006.


now do they not claim this bike is a "sportbike" or a "sport touring" bike?

my point is they advertise it as something its not!!!

"The blending of form, power, and handling characteristics deliver a debut motorcycle that is so balanced in all aspects, the word “ultimate” barely seems adequate when describing it."

if this bike is so "ultimate" why would it be unfair to run it against a puny little underpowered literbike?

also they don't say jack about 1/4 mile times or even attempt to claim any type of prowess on the strip.....

its fucking junk, and I cant wait till Baily gets his so I can flood the internet with video of a REAL supersport bike beating that mutt like a red headed step child all over the 206....

have a nice day knucklehead
You must be one bad motherfucker on that gixxer. I bet you can outrun any bike anytime. If you are so good at the track, how come you ain't racing in AMA Superbike? Really, what's your excuse?
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: denise richards on February 18, 2006, 04:28:48 PM
from kawasakis website...

Welcome to the leading edge of power, performance and exhilaration. Kawasaki is passionate about motorcycles. It’s who we are, and what we do!

Ninja®ZX™-14
If high-performance sportbikes are your passion, then we’ve got just the street-carver for you. Introducing, the new Ninja ZX-14, our most powerful sportbike ever at 1,352cc.

The blending of form, power, and handling characteristics deliver a debut motorcycle that is so balanced in all aspects, the word “ultimate” barely seems adequate when describing it.

This all new in-line four has evolved from the ZX-12R and features a bore and stroke of 84mm x 61mm packed into a purposefully designed compact package that minimizes engine width, leaving it at virtually the same width as the 12R.

The engine uses a secondary balancer to tame unwanted vibrations, and a direct-actuation shift lever is lighter than conventional linkage-type set-ups, offering a more direct feel for the rider.

The ZX-14’s chassis design is every bit the equal of its power plant. It is an advanced version of Kawasaki’s unique aluminum monocoque frame -- lightweight and very strong.

Offering a very relaxed sport riding position, it is compact without being cramped. The foot pegs are low-set to give ample leg room, and the low seat height and narrow seat front make planting feet on the ground a cinch when stopped. Available Spring 2006.


now do they not claim this bike is a "sportbike" or a "sport touring" bike?

my point is they advertise it as something its not!!!

"The blending of form, power, and handling characteristics deliver a debut motorcycle that is so balanced in all aspects, the word “ultimate” barely seems adequate when describing it."

if this bike is so "ultimate" why would it be unfair to run it against a puny little underpowered literbike?

also they don't say jack about 1/4 mile times or even attempt to claim any type of prowess on the strip.....

its fucking junk, and I cant wait till Baily gets his so I can flood the internet with video of a REAL supersport bike beating that mutt like a red headed step child all over the 206....

have a nice day knucklehead
You must be one bad motherfucker on that gixxer. I bet you can outrun any bike anytime. If you are so good at the track, how come you ain't racing in AMA Superbike? Really, what's your excuse?
if anyone cares,my personal comments about twisted can be found in smack talk


and some busa guys should finally swallow the bitter pill.something better is out.who cares about 2tenths.ok gadsen says the 14 feels alot quicker.

i might test ride one and see how it does.im not too impressed about any stock bikes acceleration anyway :lol:
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Busa@11K on February 18, 2006, 06:16:32 PM
who fucking said they didn't work as drag bikes? a fucking moped will work as a drag bike...

they are sport touring bikes, kawasaki claims the 14 is a superbike, world SUPERBIKE uses 1000s in the class so does AMA SUPERBIKE, flame kawasaki they said it...

you are trying to turn this into something it isn't, as usual...

my POINT IS, a fucking run on a drag strip don't mean shit! these are road bikes, just like the gixxer, if ricky wants to bring it to a road course I will see what I can do about getting a stock busa to show him WHAT A PIG THE 14 REALLY IS if that will make you happy scotty...

think about it? do you really think kawasaki needs ricky to test the bike? you don't think kawasaki has their own proving grounds? only the largest in the world..

do you really think kawasaki hasn't had the bike on a road course yet? of course they have, and they know the busa will rip it, thats why they brought it to the states and put it on a drag strip before they release the "road" specs, they are looking for a few suckers to buy into it, apparently they found a few....

damn scotty you're behaving just like a fucking woman...

read what kawasaki says about the bike and tell me what YOU think they are saying... fuck me!

http://www.kawasaki.com/product_category.asp?category=2&tag=motorcycle


No wonder you're handle is Twisted ... you're and expert at twisting shit all around.

Repeat this 1000 times:  "The ZX-14 and Hayabusa are not in the same class as liter bikes!"

Also repeat this 1000 times: "The ZX-14 and Hayabusa are in the same class."  Both are big, heavy, fast, ugly (to someone), can be used for touring and handle pretty damn good on the street.

You're reading shit between the lines from Kawasaki ... it's advertising you nut chewer. :duh:  I don't see anything in Kawasaki's words that says it's made to compete with liter bikes.  WTF are ya smokin' tonight?  :P



dood, I will try one more time to explain this to you...

first go to kaws website...

then click on motorcycles...

then click on supersport, you will see the 6, 10, 12, 14 all in this catagory... simple right, its not an advertising scheme, kawasaki taunts the 12 and 14 as a supersport bike, not me!!!

READ WHAT KAWASAKI SAYS ABOUT THE 14!!!! jeeezes are you dense man or what?

also this thread was never about weather or not the literbikes and 14 are in the same class, you created that in your own mind, apparently so you could contradict someone then ridicule them in an effort to make yourself appear intelligent, your turning into a leg humper, what next you gonna join the union too?

you are the one that started in by claiming I was saying things I wasnt saying, shit scotty do you have to pollute every thread you read?

drag racing numbers dont say shit about either of these bikes intended useage!!!!!!!!!!! get that through that brick you call a noggin and quite fucking with every thread you come across!

And so you believe everything Kawasaki says, huh?  :lol:

I don't care what frickin' Kawasaki says ... the ZX-14 (and ZX-12 for that matter) is NOT in the same class as their other "supersport" bikes.  Ya see, Kawi is using the term "supersport" to cover them all ... but in reality they are not all in the same class.  Anyone who knows anything about bikes should realize that.  Can you honestly tell me that the GSX-R1000 and Busa are in the same class? ... I doubt it.  If that's the case the the new ZX-14 is not either ... it's in the Busa's class of sportbike.

I thought you were more up on machines than that. :duh:  You gonna believe everything Kawi -- or any manufacture for that matter -- says?? :roll:

If you've been reading and understanding, I've been saying the ZX-14 is a sport-touring bike ... just like the Busa.  It will just happen to also become a good drag bike ... just like the Busa.  Both are in the same class ... both are sport-touring bikes that are NOT in the same class as track breed 600s, 750s and 1000s.  I don't care what Kawasaki fuckin' says on their website ... it's something you can't grasp and believe Kawi because you can't comprehend this concept.
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: FastBikes4Life on February 18, 2006, 06:16:53 PM
I can't wait to see what happens on the streets this Summer. Then we'll see what's really going on. The Hayabusa was surrounded by a lot of hype but it backed up every word. I can't wait to see if the ZX-14 does the same thing. In my personal opinion (based on the fact that virtually all "test" bikes perform much better than the mass production model), Kawasaki riders might be in for closer competition than they think. Like I said, it's all going to be settled on the streets and roadways of America, not on a website.

Get ready Kawasaki, you have 3 months until all of America knows the real deal with the ZX-14. By the way, I'm sure that 187 horses reported at Motorcycledaily.com is at the crank. That means only about 170 to the rearwheel (or less). This only puts the ZX-14 about 10 horses above the Busa. An exhaust and a set of cams will overcome this small problem. Hope Suzuki doesn't realize that. I would hate to see a 1298cc motor beating a 1352cc motor.

Fast
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Gatoracer on February 18, 2006, 06:22:16 PM
I expected better out of the trq/hp #'s. 

According to Roadracing World magazine, Suzuki will introduce an updated 'Busa as a late '06 or early '07.

I don't care what they've done to the KZ-18... its still a POS kawi.  gotta drop the motor just to get to the plugs???  WTF??  while that in itself isn't a big deal, its indicative of a larger issue.
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Busa@11K on February 18, 2006, 06:30:51 PM
I don't care what they've done to the KZ-18... its still a POS kawi.  gotta drop the motor just to get to the plugs??? 

Are you serious, or just exaggerating like Twisted?  :lol:
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Gatoracer on February 18, 2006, 06:48:42 PM
No I'm serious.  Had a friend in Savannah with both a Busa and a 12.  he was on the 12 one day and started having some power issues.  we took it to the local dealer but it was closed.  So he started having a look at it. went to check the plugs and couldn't get to all of them.  guess the frame was in the way of the 1 and 4...

Same guy dropped his in a parking lot going 5mph and cracked the paper-thin side cover.  No oil, no ride.  we had to trailer it home.  I low-sided mine on pavement at 60mph and rode it the rest of the weekend.

And yes, I think Kawi's are POS's. 

Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: gnd111 on February 18, 2006, 07:01:15 PM
You can change plugs without dropping the motor on a 12R....but most shops charge 2 hours labor for a 12R plug change... :D
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Noumenon on February 18, 2006, 07:16:58 PM
Suzuki better unveil their new secret weapon ... they knew the ZX-14 was coming a long time ago I'd bet.  New Busa on the horizon to compete IMO. :yes:

In the mean time, we'll have to listen to the ZX squirrels enjoy their 4 months of glory. :lol2:

Let them have thier four months, we had six years.  :lol2:
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Twisted on February 18, 2006, 09:14:21 PM
who fucking said they didn't work as drag bikes? a fucking moped will work as a drag bike...

they are sport touring bikes, kawasaki claims the 14 is a superbike, world SUPERBIKE uses 1000s in the class so does AMA SUPERBIKE, flame kawasaki they said it...

you are trying to turn this into something it isn't, as usual...

my POINT IS, a fucking run on a drag strip don't mean shit! these are road bikes, just like the gixxer, if ricky wants to bring it to a road course I will see what I can do about getting a stock busa to show him WHAT A PIG THE 14 REALLY IS if that will make you happy scotty...

think about it? do you really think kawasaki needs ricky to test the bike? you don't think kawasaki has their own proving grounds? only the largest in the world..

do you really think kawasaki hasn't had the bike on a road course yet? of course they have, and they know the busa will rip it, thats why they brought it to the states and put it on a drag strip before they release the "road" specs, they are looking for a few suckers to buy into it, apparently they found a few....

damn scotty you're behaving just like a fucking woman...

read what kawasaki says about the bike and tell me what YOU think they are saying... fuck me!

http://www.kawasaki.com/product_category.asp?category=2&tag=motorcycle


No wonder you're handle is Twisted ... you're and expert at twisting shit all around.

Repeat this 1000 times:  "The ZX-14 and Hayabusa are not in the same class as liter bikes!"

Also repeat this 1000 times: "The ZX-14 and Hayabusa are in the same class."  Both are big, heavy, fast, ugly (to someone), can be used for touring and handle pretty damn good on the street.

You're reading shit between the lines from Kawasaki ... it's advertising you nut chewer. :duh:  I don't see anything in Kawasaki's words that says it's made to compete with liter bikes.  WTF are ya smokin' tonight?  :P



dood, I will try one more time to explain this to you...

first go to kaws website...

then click on motorcycles...

then click on supersport, you will see the 6, 10, 12, 14 all in this catagory... simple right, its not an advertising scheme, kawasaki taunts the 12 and 14 as a supersport bike, not me!!!

READ WHAT KAWASAKI SAYS ABOUT THE 14!!!! jeeezes are you dense man or what?

also this thread was never about weather or not the literbikes and 14 are in the same class, you created that in your own mind, apparently so you could contradict someone then ridicule them in an effort to make yourself appear intelligent, your turning into a leg humper, what next you gonna join the union too?

you are the one that started in by claiming I was saying things I wasnt saying, shit scotty do you have to pollute every thread you read?

drag racing numbers dont say shit about either of these bikes intended useage!!!!!!!!!!! get that through that brick you call a noggin and quite fucking with every thread you come across!

And so you believe everything Kawasaki says, huh?  :lol:

I don't care what frickin' Kawasaki says ... the ZX-14 (and ZX-12 for that matter) is NOT in the same class as their other "supersport" bikes.  Ya see, Kawi is using the term "supersport" to cover them all ... but in reality they are not all in the same class.  Anyone who knows anything about bikes should realize that.  Can you honestly tell me that the GSX-R1000 and Busa are in the same class? ... I doubt it.  If that's the case the the new ZX-14 is not either ... it's in the Busa's class of sportbike.

I thought you were more up on machines than that. :duh:  You gonna believe everything Kawi -- or any manufacture for that matter -- says?? :roll:

If you've been reading and understanding, I've been saying the ZX-14 is a sport-touring bike ... just like the Busa.  It will just happen to also become a good drag bike ... just like the Busa.  Both are in the same class ... both are sport-touring bikes that are NOT in the same class as track breed 600s, 750s and 1000s.  I don't care what Kawasaki fuckin' says on their website ... it's something you can't grasp and believe Kawi because you can't comprehend this concept.


dumbass, I am not the one that said the 14 and gixxer were in the same class, you are the one that said I said that, I never did say that, I said if someone wanted to bring the 14 to a track I would pack up my gixxer right now and meet them there so I could show them what a pig the 14 really is....

go on and on and on and on about the fact they are not in the same class, who gives a fuck, no one says they are except you, and kawasaki....

read what they have to say about the bike, then go back and read your silly ass posts and you might catch it...

and pease plese tell me scotty, exactly what "concept" is it I cant grasp because I have a funny feeling I knew more about road racing bikes when I was 14 than you know now?


from kawasakis website...

Welcome to the leading edge of power, performance and exhilaration. Kawasaki is passionate about motorcycles. It’s who we are, and what we do!

Ninja®ZX™-14
If high-performance sportbikes are your passion, then we’ve got just the street-carver for you. Introducing, the new Ninja ZX-14, our most powerful sportbike ever at 1,352cc.

The blending of form, power, and handling characteristics deliver a debut motorcycle that is so balanced in all aspects, the word “ultimate” barely seems adequate when describing it.

This all new in-line four has evolved from the ZX-12R and features a bore and stroke of 84mm x 61mm packed into a purposefully designed compact package that minimizes engine width, leaving it at virtually the same width as the 12R.

The engine uses a secondary balancer to tame unwanted vibrations, and a direct-actuation shift lever is lighter than conventional linkage-type set-ups, offering a more direct feel for the rider.

The ZX-14’s chassis design is every bit the equal of its power plant. It is an advanced version of Kawasaki’s unique aluminum monocoque frame -- lightweight and very strong.

Offering a very relaxed sport riding position, it is compact without being cramped. The foot pegs are low-set to give ample leg room, and the low seat height and narrow seat front make planting feet on the ground a cinch when stopped. Available Spring 2006.


now you are free to add whatever delusional coment you so desire....

but when it comes to road racing, leave it to the people that have been there and done it.....
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: bl13r on February 18, 2006, 10:28:39 PM
good riding rickey g. and good numbers
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Gatoracer on February 18, 2006, 10:32:16 PM
Oh for crying out loud twisted... isn't there a soap opera somewhere missing a scriptwriter?

Somebody pass him a tampon.
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: COLDSTONE1300 on February 18, 2006, 11:55:35 PM
Let them have thier four months, we had six years.  :lol2:

Ditto. You'd think some people here would be a bit miffed because the Zx-14 isn't beating the busa worse then this. Less the 20hp increase and a few nik's quicker in the 1/4 mile? Ya things change after mods but thats the same with any bike. That bike sohuld be 200rwhp and do atleast 9.4's. If suzuki updates it'll probably be pretty lame to what it Could have been. Probably Same chassis and wheelbase with a bodywork revamp and a 1397 punch up. Maybe heads and cams looked at.

Kawi may be playing cards though and releasing this to see what suzuki answers with. Kawi could answer back with a very sharp ZX-14RR and make this the "touring" model. Have to wait and see. Either way the highways will be a little more interesting now.  :)
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Busa@11K on February 19, 2006, 01:18:26 AM
dumbass, I am not the one that said the 14 and gixxer were in the same class, you are the one that said I said that, I never did say that, I said if someone wanted to bring the 14 to a track I would pack up my gixxer right now and meet them there so I could show them what a pig the 14 really is....

go on and on and on and on about the fact they are not in the same class, who gives a fuck, no one says they are except you, and kawasaki....

read what they have to say about the bike, then go back and read your silly ass posts and you might catch it...

and pease plese tell me scotty, exactly what "concept" is it I cant grasp because I have a funny feeling I knew more about road racing bikes when I was 14 than you know now?


from kawasakis website...

Welcome to the leading edge of power, performance and exhilaration. Kawasaki is passionate about motorcycles. It’s who we are, and what we do!

Ninja®ZX™-14
If high-performance sportbikes are your passion, then we’ve got just the street-carver for you. Introducing, the new Ninja ZX-14, our most powerful sportbike ever at 1,352cc.

The blending of form, power, and handling characteristics deliver a debut motorcycle that is so balanced in all aspects, the word “ultimate” barely seems adequate when describing it.

This all new in-line four has evolved from the ZX-12R and features a bore and stroke of 84mm x 61mm packed into a purposefully designed compact package that minimizes engine width, leaving it at virtually the same width as the 12R.

The engine uses a secondary balancer to tame unwanted vibrations, and a direct-actuation shift lever is lighter than conventional linkage-type set-ups, offering a more direct feel for the rider.

The ZX-14’s chassis design is every bit the equal of its power plant. It is an advanced version of Kawasaki’s unique aluminum monocoque frame -- lightweight and very strong.

Offering a very relaxed sport riding position, it is compact without being cramped. The foot pegs are low-set to give ample leg room, and the low seat height and narrow seat front make planting feet on the ground a cinch when stopped. Available Spring 2006.


now you are free to add whatever delusional coment you so desire....

but when it comes to road racing, leave it to the people that have been there and done it.....

Damn it Twisted ... you have really twisted the fuck out it so far that YOU don't even know what we're talking about anymore. :lol2:

All the way back from page 2 ... then you got off on about 5 tangents and twisted everything up like some super squirrel on a nut binge.  :P  I don't know why you love quoting Kawasaki's website so much ... shit, you'll brainwash youself and end up buying one when they showup at the dealers.

Quote from: Busa@11K
Quote from: Twisted Nut Chewer
nothing will help the 14 against a gixxer, why do you think they gave a bike to a straight line guy and not the editors of the U.K magazines? why do you think they haven't released the wheelbase and weight numbers?

because they are trying to hype it up with a straight line number in a 1/4 mile then drop the bomb on you after they catch your attention...


As usual, the lack of logic and knowledge shows.  The ZX-14 isn't in the same class as an R1 or GSX-R1000.  It's in the same class as the Hayabusa ... a big sport touring bike.  The Hayabusa is one of the best platforms for a drag bike ... and so will be the ZX-14.  It will probably handle the backroads just as well too.  Kawasaki is going after the Hayabusa's market ... anyone who knows anything about bikes should realize that. :yes:


I wish Rickey had the nuts to take that piece of shit to a road course, I would pack up the gixxer right now and meet him there personally just to show him what a fucking pig that thing REALLY is....

Seems you think the ZX-14 should be out on a road course racing a liter bike ... I thought YOU said they weren't in the same class.  If you say/think that, then why do you make it sound like they are?  Get off the hallucinogenic nuts dude!  :talk: :eatme:

Oh for crying out loud twisted... isn't there a soap opera somewhere missing a scriptwriter?

Somebody pass him a tampon.

How about a case of extra absorbant.  :lol:
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Twisted on February 19, 2006, 01:28:59 AM
Oh for crying out loud twisted... isn't there a soap opera somewhere missing a scriptwriter?

Somebody pass him a tampon.

I guess so, I think the name of the script is... as the zx14 turns... I blow by it on my gixxer

someones got to keep scotty in line, he seems to think sportbikes revolve around drag racing(never actually said it, subliminal thing) an drag racers seem to think sportbikes revolve around them, and some fool quoted as saying this...

"The 06 Busa is still a respectable and capable motorcycle!"    

I say hogwash! the busa will crush the pig stock for stock in a comparison conducted in an environment for its intended use....

thats basically all I had to say, scotty lost his top so he decided to spin my posts, nothing new, hes like a pet, he gets on your nerves for a bit but eventually he will go lay down in the corner and lick his nuts...


oh, did I forget to mention, the zx 14 is one of the fugliest bikes I have ever seen...  :wink:

Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Twisted on February 19, 2006, 01:30:50 AM
dumbass, I am not the one that said the 14 and gixxer were in the same class, you are the one that said I said that, I never did say that, I said if someone wanted to bring the 14 to a track I would pack up my gixxer right now and meet them there so I could show them what a pig the 14 really is....

go on and on and on and on about the fact they are not in the same class, who gives a fuck, no one says they are except you, and kawasaki....

read what they have to say about the bike, then go back and read your silly ass posts and you might catch it...

and pease plese tell me scotty, exactly what "concept" is it I cant grasp because I have a funny feeling I knew more about road racing bikes when I was 14 than you know now?


from kawasakis website...

Welcome to the leading edge of power, performance and exhilaration. Kawasaki is passionate about motorcycles. It’s who we are, and what we do!

Ninja®ZX™-14
If high-performance sportbikes are your passion, then we’ve got just the street-carver for you. Introducing, the new Ninja ZX-14, our most powerful sportbike ever at 1,352cc.

The blending of form, power, and handling characteristics deliver a debut motorcycle that is so balanced in all aspects, the word “ultimate” barely seems adequate when describing it.

This all new in-line four has evolved from the ZX-12R and features a bore and stroke of 84mm x 61mm packed into a purposefully designed compact package that minimizes engine width, leaving it at virtually the same width as the 12R.

The engine uses a secondary balancer to tame unwanted vibrations, and a direct-actuation shift lever is lighter than conventional linkage-type set-ups, offering a more direct feel for the rider.

The ZX-14’s chassis design is every bit the equal of its power plant. It is an advanced version of Kawasaki’s unique aluminum monocoque frame -- lightweight and very strong.

Offering a very relaxed sport riding position, it is compact without being cramped. The foot pegs are low-set to give ample leg room, and the low seat height and narrow seat front make planting feet on the ground a cinch when stopped. Available Spring 2006.


now you are free to add whatever delusional coment you so desire....

but when it comes to road racing, leave it to the people that have been there and done it.....

Damn it Twisted ... you have really twisted the fuck out it so far that YOU don't even know what we're talking about anymore. :lol2:

All the way back from page 2 ... then you got off on about 5 tangents and twisted everything up like some super squirrel on a nut binge.  :P  I don't know why you love quoting Kawasaki's website so much ... shit, you'll brainwash youself and end up buying one when they showup at the dealers.

Quote from: Busa@11K
Quote from: Twisted Nut Chewer
nothing will help the 14 against a gixxer, why do you think they gave a bike to a straight line guy and not the editors of the U.K magazines? why do you think they haven't released the wheelbase and weight numbers?

because they are trying to hype it up with a straight line number in a 1/4 mile then drop the bomb on you after they catch your attention...


As usual, the lack of logic and knowledge shows.  The ZX-14 isn't in the same class as an R1 or GSX-R1000.  It's in the same class as the Hayabusa ... a big sport touring bike.  The Hayabusa is one of the best platforms for a drag bike ... and so will be the ZX-14.  It will probably handle the backroads just as well too.  Kawasaki is going after the Hayabusa's market ... anyone who knows anything about bikes should realize that. :yes:


I wish Rickey had the nuts to take that piece of shit to a road course, I would pack up the gixxer right now and meet him there personally just to show him what a fucking pig that thing REALLY is....

Seems you think the ZX-14 should be out on a road course racing a liter bike ... I thought YOU said they weren't in the same class.  If you say/think that, then why do you make it sound like they are?  Get off the hallucinogenic nuts dude!  :talk: :eatme:

Oh for crying out loud twisted... isn't there a soap opera somewhere missing a scriptwriter?

Somebody pass him a tampon.

How about a case of extra absorbant.  :lol:

scotty, it dont matter what I am talking about, you have lost me in the rhetoric, the 14 is junk, end of story....

next
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Twisted on February 19, 2006, 01:33:31 AM
Let them have thier four months, we had six years.  :lol2:

 Either way the highways will be a little more interesting now.  :)

yea no doubt about that, cuz the fucking twisties are still owned...  :wink:
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Busa@11K on February 19, 2006, 01:47:30 AM
dumbass, I am not the one that said the 14 and gixxer were in the same class, you are the one that said I said that, I never did say that, I said if someone wanted to bring the 14 to a track I would pack up my gixxer right now and meet them there so I could show them what a pig the 14 really is....

go on and on and on and on about the fact they are not in the same class, who gives a fuck, no one says they are except you, and kawasaki....

read what they have to say about the bike, then go back and read your silly ass posts and you might catch it...

and pease plese tell me scotty, exactly what "concept" is it I cant grasp because I have a funny feeling I knew more about road racing bikes when I was 14 than you know now?


from kawasakis website...

Welcome to the leading edge of power, performance and exhilaration. Kawasaki is passionate about motorcycles. It’s who we are, and what we do!

Ninja®ZX™-14
If high-performance sportbikes are your passion, then we’ve got just the street-carver for you. Introducing, the new Ninja ZX-14, our most powerful sportbike ever at 1,352cc.

The blending of form, power, and handling characteristics deliver a debut motorcycle that is so balanced in all aspects, the word “ultimate” barely seems adequate when describing it.

This all new in-line four has evolved from the ZX-12R and features a bore and stroke of 84mm x 61mm packed into a purposefully designed compact package that minimizes engine width, leaving it at virtually the same width as the 12R.

The engine uses a secondary balancer to tame unwanted vibrations, and a direct-actuation shift lever is lighter than conventional linkage-type set-ups, offering a more direct feel for the rider.

The ZX-14’s chassis design is every bit the equal of its power plant. It is an advanced version of Kawasaki’s unique aluminum monocoque frame -- lightweight and very strong.

Offering a very relaxed sport riding position, it is compact without being cramped. The foot pegs are low-set to give ample leg room, and the low seat height and narrow seat front make planting feet on the ground a cinch when stopped. Available Spring 2006.


now you are free to add whatever delusional coment you so desire....

but when it comes to road racing, leave it to the people that have been there and done it.....

Damn it Twisted ... you have really twisted the fuck out it so far that YOU don't even know what we're talking about anymore. :lol2:

All the way back from page 2 ... then you got off on about 5 tangents and twisted everything up like some super squirrel on a nut binge.  :P  I don't know why you love quoting Kawasaki's website so much ... shit, you'll brainwash youself and end up buying one when they showup at the dealers.

Quote from: Busa@11K
Quote from: Twisted Nut Chewer
nothing will help the 14 against a gixxer, why do you think they gave a bike to a straight line guy and not the editors of the U.K magazines? why do you think they haven't released the wheelbase and weight numbers?

because they are trying to hype it up with a straight line number in a 1/4 mile then drop the bomb on you after they catch your attention...


As usual, the lack of logic and knowledge shows.  The ZX-14 isn't in the same class as an R1 or GSX-R1000.  It's in the same class as the Hayabusa ... a big sport touring bike.  The Hayabusa is one of the best platforms for a drag bike ... and so will be the ZX-14.  It will probably handle the backroads just as well too.  Kawasaki is going after the Hayabusa's market ... anyone who knows anything about bikes should realize that. :yes:


I wish Rickey had the nuts to take that piece of shit to a road course, I would pack up the gixxer right now and meet him there personally just to show him what a fucking pig that thing REALLY is....

Seems you think the ZX-14 should be out on a road course racing a liter bike ... I thought YOU said they weren't in the same class.  If you say/think that, then why do you make it sound like they are?  Get off the hallucinogenic nuts dude!  :talk: :eatme:

Oh for crying out loud twisted... isn't there a soap opera somewhere missing a scriptwriter?

Somebody pass him a tampon.

How about a case of extra absorbant.  :lol:

scotty, it dont matter what I am talking about, you have lost me in the rhetoric, the 14 is junk, end of story....

next

:lmao: ... I think you finally got it !!  I wasn't "defending" the ZX-14 if that's what you're thinking.  Light up another bowel and re-read some of this shit ... it might sink in.

You keep talking about racing the ZX-14 in the twisties with your 1000 .... must be because they are in the same class. :duh:  :moped: :drink: :clown:
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Busa@11K on February 19, 2006, 02:01:11 AM
  Light up another bowel

Okay,  :lol: that was funny! Stop it, please!! :lmao:

And that wasn't a misprint ... bowel is so fitting with "Mr. Shit Spewer".  :lol:

Just imagine him lighting up a big old turd with a Bic lighter set on high. :lmao:
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: xpigrider on February 19, 2006, 02:35:08 PM
Glad I have the title to my bike!  They can do what they want to do!  No matter what you buy there is alway going to be something out there better. Suz's and Kaw's are both good bikes. 

This is like the Radar and the Radar Detector, Peterbilt and Kenworth game (both were made by the same company)! 

Suz and Kaw are the one that make money by us constantly trying to out do each other.  It's a racket!!

Just me two cents!

The next bike I buy will be a $30 to $40 bar hopping (just a figure of speech) custom.
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: •Khandy•Rhed•Bhusa• on February 19, 2006, 03:09:54 PM
Well its about time something in the market has cought up and the difference is not too significant.  Its the rider who will decide whats faster on the street or drag.  Not alot of us can ride the strip like those jockies to see a real difference. Also we have what, the biggest aftermarket?  Hell if you are worried about the 14 then just pick and choose your power accessories and be done with it.

When exactly should we expect anything from Suzuki regarding a new Hayabusa? This year?  Think about it, if kAWi did not release this bike, we would have the same bike till what 2010? Change is good. I think the reason why the 06 Limited is 'Special' bike making it 2 toned, is because its the last year for that design. Why else would they break the tradition of solid color LEs? That is a hint right there.

kAWi gets a cookie for beating our 7yr old bike.  And its not even that bad but guys we ride the LEGEND. And we all know LEGENDs never die....
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: VPN on February 19, 2006, 04:19:08 PM
I hear different - from the "Legend Killer" Randy Orton
 :lol:
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Twisted on February 19, 2006, 04:26:31 PM
kAWi gets a cookie for beating our 7yr old bike.  And its not even that bad but guys we ride the LEGEND. And we all know LEGENDs never die....


gets half a cookie, it only beat it on the strip.....  :?:
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Twisted on February 19, 2006, 05:20:59 PM
from kawasakis website...

Welcome to the leading edge of power, performance and exhilaration. Kawasaki is passionate about motorcycles. It’s who we are, and what we do!

Ninja®ZX™-14
If high-performance sportbikes are your passion, then we’ve got just the street-carver for you. Introducing, the new Ninja ZX-14, our most powerful sportbike ever at 1,352cc.

The blending of form, power, and handling characteristics deliver a debut motorcycle that is so balanced in all aspects, the word “ultimate” barely seems adequate when describing it.

This all new in-line four has evolved from the ZX-12R and features a bore and stroke of 84mm x 61mm packed into a purposefully designed compact package that minimizes engine width, leaving it at virtually the same width as the 12R.

The engine uses a secondary balancer to tame unwanted vibrations, and a direct-actuation shift lever is lighter than conventional linkage-type set-ups, offering a more direct feel for the rider.

The ZX-14’s chassis design is every bit the equal of its power plant. It is an advanced version of Kawasaki’s unique aluminum monocoque frame -- lightweight and very strong.

Offering a very relaxed sport riding position, it is compact without being cramped. The foot pegs are low-set to give ample leg room, and the low seat height and narrow seat front make planting feet on the ground a cinch when stopped. Available Spring 2006.


now do they not claim this bike is a "sportbike" or a "sport touring" bike?

my point is they advertise it as something its not!!!

"The blending of form, power, and handling characteristics deliver a debut motorcycle that is so balanced in all aspects, the word “ultimate” barely seems adequate when describing it."

if this bike is so "ultimate" why would it be unfair to run it against a puny little underpowered literbike?

also they don't say jack about 1/4 mile times or even attempt to claim any type of prowess on the strip.....

its fucking junk, and I cant wait till Baily gets his so I can flood the internet with video of a REAL supersport bike beating that mutt like a red headed step child all over the 206....

have a nice day knucklehead
You must be one bad motherfucker on that gixxer. I bet you can outrun any bike anytime. If you are so good at the track, how come you ain't racing in AMA Superbike? Really, what's your excuse?

if the situation favors me I have a real good chance, I obviously couldnt hang with a turbo in 100 miles of straight road...

how come I am not racing AMA? excuse? I didnt know I needed an excuse, hold on a sec though, I'll see if I can git one from my mom, or better yet see if she has a million dollars she can give me so I can set up a bike and go race an AMA season....  :duh:

I AIN'T no rich mommas boy punk or trust fund baby, what I have I earned and I taught myself to ride, anytime you or anyone else is ready to see what kind of teacher I am, bring it, otherwise STFU....

Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Busa@11K on February 19, 2006, 06:37:05 PM
from kawasakis website...

Welcome to the leading edge of power, performance and exhilaration. Kawasaki is passionate about motorcycles. It’s who we are, and what we do!

Ninja®ZX™-14
If high-performance sportbikes are your passion, then we’ve got just the street-carver for you. Introducing, the new Ninja ZX-14, our most powerful sportbike ever at 1,352cc.

The blending of form, power, and handling characteristics deliver a debut motorcycle that is so balanced in all aspects, the word “ultimate” barely seems adequate when describing it.

This all new in-line four has evolved from the ZX-12R and features a bore and stroke of 84mm x 61mm packed into a purposefully designed compact package that minimizes engine width, leaving it at virtually the same width as the 12R.

The engine uses a secondary balancer to tame unwanted vibrations, and a direct-actuation shift lever is lighter than conventional linkage-type set-ups, offering a more direct feel for the rider.

The ZX-14’s chassis design is every bit the equal of its power plant. It is an advanced version of Kawasaki’s unique aluminum monocoque frame -- lightweight and very strong.

Offering a very relaxed sport riding position, it is compact without being cramped. The foot pegs are low-set to give ample leg room, and the low seat height and narrow seat front make planting feet on the ground a cinch when stopped. Available Spring 2006.


now do they not claim this bike is a "sportbike" or a "sport touring" bike?

my point is they advertise it as something its not!!!

"The blending of form, power, and handling characteristics deliver a debut motorcycle that is so balanced in all aspects, the word “ultimate” barely seems adequate when describing it."

if this bike is so "ultimate" why would it be unfair to run it against a puny little underpowered literbike?

also they don't say jack about 1/4 mile times or even attempt to claim any type of prowess on the strip.....

its fucking junk, and I cant wait till Baily gets his so I can flood the internet with video of a REAL supersport bike beating that mutt like a red headed step child all over the 206....

have a nice day knucklehead
You must be one bad motherfucker on that gixxer. I bet you can outrun any bike anytime. If you are so good at the track, how come you ain't racing in AMA Superbike? Really, what's your excuse?

how come I am not racing AMA? excuse? I didnt know I needed an excuse, hold on a sec though, I'll see if I can git one from my mom, or better yet see if she has a million dollars she can give me so I can set up a bike and go race an AMA season....  :duh:

I AIN'T no rich mommas boy punk or trust fund baby, what I have I earned and I taught myself to ride, anytime you or anyone else is ready to see what kind of teacher I am, bring it, otherwise STFU....


Twisted thinks he's AMA racing every time he rides down to 7-11.  :P

Hasn't the 'tard realized the ZX-14 and GSX-R1000 aren't in the same class yet? :duh:  :lol:
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Twisted on February 19, 2006, 06:42:20 PM

Twisted thinks he's AMA racing every time he rides down to 7-11.  :P

thats a fack jack, gots me a laguna seca and brands hatch all in one, my back yard! the pacific northwest aint no joke second only to cali, makes the ring look like romper room, you fools have no clue.....
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: rumble phish on February 20, 2006, 12:08:50 AM
Twisted, I'm not here to jump in on your pissing match with Scotty, but you're in for a rude awakening.

You stated in a reply earlier in this thread that you think the Busa will "crush" the "pig" (obviously referring to the 14) and that it would own the 14 on a road course.


What makes you think that a lighter, more powerful bike will lose to a heavier, underpowered (in comparison) bike on a road course? They 14 and the Busa have nearly the same geometry and gearing, but the 14 holds a MAJOR advantage in weight, power and acceleration (according to R. Gadson, whom I'd tend to believe). Hell, the ZX12 DESTROYS the Busa in the twisties (with riders of similar caliber) and comes mighty close to matching the Busa on the top end/drag strip (yeah, I know the Busa turbo's better, but we're talking N/A here). 98% of the time it comes down to the rider and who has bigger balls in a straight line. On the road course, the 12 is the better of the two.


Barring any massive mechanical meltdowns I think Kawi has a real road burner/Busa killer on their hands here. A lot of you guys are just gonna have to face it.

And don't be surprised if Suzi doesn't redo the Busa. It may very well become the V-Max of it's generation. Not that that's a bad thing. Hell, V-Max's are still considered monsters and are giving a wide berth and plenty of respect. The Busa may well be discontinued. It can happen.

And to the guys who were arguing that the Busa was the fastest stock vs. stock and who are now saying "yeah that Kawi may be fast stock, but can you turbo it as easy as the Busa/there's more aftermarket for the Busa/who leaves them stock anyway?" you guys just need to face the reality of the Busa now being second fastest.

C'mon...8.7 with just simple bolt ons?? Show me a Busa (or any other bike) that can do that. There ain't too many of'em......
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: 02SE on February 20, 2006, 12:22:30 AM
Rumble, I guess the handling between the ZX-12, and 'Busa is subjective. Yes, I know you also used to own a 12.

I owned an '02 ZX-12 for a year alongside my '02 'Busa. I found the 'Busa to be a better machine in nearly every respect.

The only areas that I felt the 12 had an edge, was in braking feel, (at least until you swapped out the stock 'Busa pads) and initial turn in. It fell into a turn more readily, but in quick side-to-side transitions, it felt top heavy and cumbersome compared to the 'Busa. 

Oh, the rear tire would last about twice as long on the 12.

I hope the ZX-14 is a big step forward from the 12. I like to see a progression of performance, not the stagnation we've had for 7 years.

As far as the ZX-14 being significantly lighter than the 'Busa, the figures I've seen are almost exactly the same as the 'Busa.  :wink:

Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: rumble phish on February 20, 2006, 12:28:44 AM
Rumble, I guess the handling between the ZX-12, and 'Busa is subjective. Yes, I know you also used to own a 12.

I owned an '02 ZX-12 for a year alongside my '02 'Busa. I found the 'Busa to be a better machine in nearly every respect.

The only areas that I felt the 12 had an edge, was in braking feel, (at least until you swapped out the stock 'Busa pads) and initial turn in. It fell into a turn more readily, but in quick side-to-side transitions, it felt top heavy and cumbersome compared to the 'Busa. HEY! I resemble that remark!!  :lol:

Oh, the rear tire would last about twice as long on the 12. This is true. I cooked my Metzlers pretty damn good yesterday at the track. I'm probably only going to get 1 or two more track days outta of'em

I hope the ZX-14 is a big step forward from the 12. I like to see a progression of performance, not the stagnation we've had for 7 years.

As far as the ZX-14 being significantly lighter than the 'Busa, the figures I've seen are almost exactly the same as the 'Busa.  :wink: Have you sat on a 14 yet? It sure does FEEL lighter than a stck Busa!  :shock:


Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: 02SE on February 20, 2006, 12:34:39 AM
Did you sit on the 14 at a show.

They are lighter when they don't have any fluids, or battery in them.  :wink:
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: rumble phish on February 20, 2006, 12:37:30 AM
Did you sit on the 14 at a show.

They are lighter when they don't have any fluids, or battery in them.  :wink:

yes, I sat on the 14 AND the Busa back to back to back (just to double check). Neither of the two bikes had fluid or battery.

The 14 was WAYYYYYY lighter than the Busa (according to my seat-o-the-pants scale).

Seemed much easier to flick back and forth.

Take it for what it's worth.

I love my Busa....  :D
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Twisted on February 20, 2006, 12:50:10 AM
Twisted, I'm not here to jump in on your pissing match with Scotty, but you're in for a rude awakening.

You stated in a reply earlier in this thread that you think the Busa will "crush" the "pig" (obviously referring to the 14) and that it would own the 14 on a road course.


What makes you think that a lighter, more powerful bike will lose to a heavier, underpowered (in comparison) bike on a road course? They 14 and the Busa have nearly the same geometry and gearing, but the 14 holds a MAJOR advantage in weight, power and acceleration (according to R. Gadson, whom I'd tend to believe). Hell, the ZX12 DESTROYS the Busa in the twisties (with riders of similar caliber) and comes mighty close to matching the Busa on the top end/drag strip (yeah, I know the Busa turbo's better, but we're talking N/A here). 98% of the time it comes down to the rider and who has bigger balls in a straight line. On the road course, the 12 is the better of the two.




dang phish you hittin the glass?

the 12 destroys the busa in the twisties? huh? with who riding what bike? a freekin magazine editor?

I have ran heads up with several 12s on my busa and it was no contest... I'm with SE, the only advantage the 12 has is in feedback and thats due to the fact the busa has isolated clip-ons and isolated rear-sets, if you push the fork tubes up on the busa, remove a link from the chain and push the tire all the way forward then dial it in the busa will crush the 12 hands down in the twisties, don't worry I have been there and done it...

most of you guys think I sit on here all day and talk shit, think I don't have a clue? fact is, I ride my bikes, TO THE LIMIT, I ran 600s, 750s, 1000s and 1200s, v-twins and inlines many many times on my busa and put them all behind me, exploit the busas strengths and improve on the weaknesses and anyone with skill can walk on any bike with the busa on a medium layout..

obviously if its a layout something like the PCH the busa should lose to a good rider on a 600 or 1000, but not to the 12... I asked just about every 12 rider I came across if he wanted to do a track day and go heads up on film, no takers....

the 14 is heavier and my guess is it has a longer wheelbase, the busa will beat it up on a road course....

and NO zx 12 or 14 will beat me on my gixxer in the twisties, I'll put my title on that.....  :wink:
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: VPN on February 20, 2006, 04:44:17 AM
Quote
if you push the fork tubes up on the busa, remove a link from the chain and push the tire all the way forward then dial it in

if...if
Doesn't that tell it all!
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Neighborhood Creep on February 20, 2006, 08:39:37 AM
15006 posts. Hmmm. Very interesting.
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: mountainmotor on February 20, 2006, 10:00:36 AM
Have any of you thats quoting the Kawasaki website noticed that approximatley 1.5 months back they had the 14 at 12.7:1 compression like all other early release sources did and now they list it at 12.0:1 ..... and production has supposedly been temporarily stopped .

I have to wonder a bit about what the actual compression is of the few bikes thats been stateside for awhile now . I am not accusing or anything but when I ran across that little tidbit of info it made me wonder if website and other info error, or ?
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: FastBikes4Life on February 20, 2006, 10:15:53 AM
I went to the Bike Show in Chicago and the Kawasaki reps had information cards attached to the bike that stated the ZX-14 weighed 474 pounds dry. In all honesty I don't see the big weight savings. I have to trust the show information because if I'm a rep at the show trying to get as many orders as possible for this new bike, I have to make it seem like the best thing since sliced bread. 474 pounds is not the best thing since sliced bread when the ZX-12R weighed 475 pounds and the Busa weighed just about the same. The only advantage I see the ZX-14 having right now is the 53 cubic centimeters over the Busa. And why did Kawasaki go with a dual exhaust system when every bike on the road is moving to smaller, lighter, more convenient systems (undertail, shorties, etc.)?

Fast
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: gnd111 on February 20, 2006, 10:18:05 AM
Have any of you thats quoting the Kawasaki website noticed that approximatley 1.5 months back they had the 14 at 12.7:1 compression like all other early release sources did and now they list it at 12.0:1 ..... and production has supposedly been temporarily stopped .

I have to wonder a bit about what the actual compression is of the few bikes thats been stateside for awhile now . I am not accusing or anything but when I ran across that little tidbit of info it made me wonder if website and other info error, or ?

Because the one Rickey actually discovered it was 12.0 and they decided to install a thinner head gasket... 8)
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: GSXRme on February 20, 2006, 12:24:33 PM
um.. does my bike took stock? and anyone here that street races using a stock busa needs to be shot!!! *joke*

Track is 1 thing but I do know 1 thing... I'll have my 2nt gear after 5000miles on the motor :P *not joke*

(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f87/GSXRme/00021582.jpg)
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Busa@11K on February 20, 2006, 01:32:06 PM
and NO zx 12 or 14 will beat me on my gixxer in the twisties, I'll put my title on that.....  :wink:

There he goes again ... thinking the ZX-12, ZX-14 and Busa are in the same class as his GSX-R1000.

Once a 'tard, always a 'tard.  :lol:
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Busa@11K on February 20, 2006, 01:34:29 PM
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f87/GSXRme/00021582.jpg)

I see you found Twisted poszin' on his old Busa ... hamsters are part of the squirrel family.  :lmao:
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: GSXRme on February 20, 2006, 01:54:11 PM
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f87/GSXRme/00021582.jpg)

I see you found Twisted poszin' on his old Busa ... hamsters are part of the squirrel family.  :lmao:

That picture was taken before the front tire was chewed off. Sadly it totaled and the hamster is forced to ride a Kawi.
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Joker_101 on February 20, 2006, 03:03:51 PM
I think everybody's butt hurt because there's a faster bike
than the hayabusa. :)
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: rumble phish on February 20, 2006, 03:20:51 PM
I think everybody's butt hurt because there's a faster bike
than the hayabusa. :)


yep

fragile egos
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: GSXRme on February 20, 2006, 03:24:27 PM
I think everybody's butt hurt because there's a faster bike
than the hayabusa. :)

How am I mad? I really don't care because I dont even see turbo Busas... Nor anything else with a turbo. There for i'm FASTER!

That Hamster Tubro is -1 PSI of pure fur ball power!
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Busa@11K on February 20, 2006, 03:26:51 PM
I think everybody's butt hurt because there's a faster bike
than the hayabusa. :)

How am I mad? I really don't care because I dont even see turbo Busas... Nor anything else with a turbo. There for i'm FASTER!

That Hamster Tubro is -1 PSI of pure fur ball power!

Everyone = Twisted in this case.  :lol:  And he's still trying to compare a ZX-14 to a GSX-R1000.  He probably even thinks an EX-500 is in the same class as his 1000. :duh:
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Twisted on February 20, 2006, 04:34:48 PM
and NO zx 12 or 14 will beat me on my gixxer in the twisties, I'll put my title on that.....  :wink:

There he goes again ... thinking the ZX-12, ZX-14 and Busa are in the same class as his GSX-R1000.

Once a 'tard, always a 'tard.  :lol:


nope, thats just a worm on a hook, just in case one of those kawasucki fans gets that superhuman bone going and wants to auction off 2005 gixxer on e-bay....

like I said $$$ talks, bullshit walks....

dont worry pozer@11k if I had a busa in the stable it would be on the hook, not a whimpy little literbike...  :roll:
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: ChrisCoupe on February 20, 2006, 04:45:48 PM

8.7S WITH BOLTONS THATS SOMETHING EVEN STAGE1 TURBOS DONT RUN:shock: :shock:

TRAPSPEEDS 150+ :shock:



Superstreetbike got a Busa with simlar mods into the 8's not that long ago.  Still impressive as hell though.  I will say it's much closer than I thought, I figured for sure it would be a much more one sided event.
BEFORE THE BS GETS TOO DEEP,THEY USED A 30SHOT ON THAT BUSA :duh:

8.7s is flat out insane.
how many turbo(st 1)guys ran that?even slammed and stretched?
You obviouosly dont know who ricky is then.......if he touched the bike then i would be willing to bet that is has a bit more than a few little bolt ons.... :roll:...........horsepower numbers on those runs would be more realistic there if they were posted also.....i dont care what kind of bike it is.....horsepower and weight ratio has the leading part in those times.........what kind of numbers is he claiming to have with those passes at those times........i know for a fact that bike isnt making 200 wheel horsepower with those mods ......i mean come on before everyone wow's at those times can we be realistic here and ask for some proof ???.......Are those numbers adding up correctly???........why do i seem to be the only one calling bs here on those stats compared to those numbers ?????.....not to mention ricky also weighs what 145 wet...... :?.....am i bein far fetched here or is this somthing to look at also ???
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Twisted on February 20, 2006, 04:46:43 PM
I think everybody's butt hurt because there's a faster bike
than the hayabusa. :)


I can borrow a busa, if you can borrow a 14 and your on the westcoast, lets do this, video, the whole nine yards, there are closed road courses and plenty of open up and down the west side...

don't be so shy, jump in the phone booth and tuck in your cape, go for it! there are plenty of cow and busa guys from here that will hook up with us and help document the festivities, who knows maybe ricky himself will drop that kryptonite he holds so dearly and come play on road a course too?

till then, the 14 is just a dream, cuz when I walk into the dealerships they tell me it wont be available for months and I see busa rollin all around the hood.....

I guess the supergadson thing is just a dream, my guess is cow told him to keep it as far from a road course as possible....  :roll:
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: GSXRme on February 20, 2006, 05:09:29 PM
I think everybody's butt hurt because there's a faster bike
than the hayabusa. :)

How am I mad? I really don't care because I dont even see turbo Busas... Nor anything else with a turbo. There for i'm FASTER!

That Hamster Tubro is -1 PSI of pure fur ball power!


Everyone = Twisted in this case.  :lol:  And he's still trying to compare a ZX-14 to a GSX-R1000.  He probably even thinks an EX-500 is in the same class as his 1000. :duh:



Ok he can compare the ZX-13 1/2 to a 1000 all he wants.
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: GSXRme on February 20, 2006, 05:12:31 PM
I just don't understand how comparing stock bikes even matters. Most if not all mod the bikes. Hell even different tires matter.


:moped:(Busa)                                                                 :moped:(ZX-13 1/2)


I can't wait to see 1 of them on the street and spank there 10pounds heavier ass :P
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: oilheadron on February 20, 2006, 05:20:49 PM
No question the '14 should be slightly quicker than the mighty Bus stock-for-stock. But what's really going to be intriguing is if the '14 can't run over 194 mph bone stock unrestricted but with no other changes. That's not a given yet IMO.

But probably it will. I predict almost exactly the same degree of advantage to the '14 as the Busa has had over the '12. Almost always slightly quicker and faster in any speed contest, all else being the same.  :thumb:

On a side note; my two most recent '12-owning customers are selling their '12s and neither one is buying another Kawasaki to replace them.  :)
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Twisted on February 20, 2006, 05:22:37 PM
me too...

guess I will fire up the ol' 86 750 and mount up the cam and get some "vintage" video of how badd the 14 is in the twisties...  :lmao:
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Twisted on February 20, 2006, 05:23:41 PM
No question the '14 should be slightly quicker than the mighty Bus stock-for-stock. But what's really going to be intriguing is if the '14 can't run over 194 mph bone stock unrestricted but with no other changes. That's not a given yet IMO.

But probably it will. I predict almost exactly the same degree of advantage to the '14 as the Busa has had over the '12. Almost always slightly quicker and faster in any speed contest, all else being the same.  :thumb:


you didnt happen to check the 14s wheelbase did you? for some reason its top secret?
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: oilheadron on February 20, 2006, 05:25:40 PM
I haven't seen a '14 yet myself. I can't wait to try one though. Not interested in buying one, just curious.
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Twisted on February 20, 2006, 05:55:51 PM
the wheelbase looked curiously wrong to me? I asked a few people and they agreed, reps wouldn't tell us the number?

the sets are low and the seat thing is well, hideous.....

nothing that ugly is going to kill anything unless its cows plan to scare em to death?
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: jc_nevamind on February 20, 2006, 06:14:40 PM
The numbers are close and the ZX may come out on top in the quarter, but it still loses in the style department with that bannana seat - What good is being fast if you can't look good doing it.
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Twisted on February 20, 2006, 09:01:48 PM
there could be several variables attributing to a negative for the busa and if I was kawasaki I would be scrambling for an answer as well...

what was the octane rating for the fuel used in the can he poured from, we all know the busa thrives on 87 and the 12 on 92, if the compression on the 14 favors 92 and thats what he used that could be bias for the busa....

the wheelbase, we all know drag racers don't stretch their busa so they can wheelie better, its my guess they are trying to improve their ET, what is the wheelbase of the 14?

all this talk about a superghostbike, where can I get one of these machines, I would like to test ride one.....
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: GSXRme on February 20, 2006, 09:10:14 PM
there could be several variables attributing to a negative for the busa and if I was kawasaki I would be scrambling for an answer as well...

what was the octane rating for the fuel used in the can he poured from, we all know the busa thrives on 87 and the 12 on 92, if the compression on the 14 favors 92 and thats what he used that could be bias for the busa....

the wheelbase, we all know drag racers don't stretch their busa so they can wheelie better, its my guess they are trying to improve their ET, what is the wheelbase of the 14?

all this talk about a superghostbike, where can I get one of these machines, I would like to test ride one.....

Good point. I only had my Busa 3 months before making it 3 1/2 inches longer and 2 1/2 inches lower. I personally think it handles better in the corners and screams in straits. Only if my pegs were alittle higher.

Btw.. I can take pictures of my rear wheel and it shows I go ALL THE WAY to the side wall when leaning... Not very scary but it feels good :)
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: GSXRme on February 20, 2006, 09:26:04 PM
I personally don't give a #$%$% about dyno numbers because ram air isn't being used. Its nothing more than a starving motor test in my eyes. *sigh*
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Twisted on February 20, 2006, 09:27:01 PM
they should have gave the bike to patty cakes, at least then our laugh would be considered legitimate...  :lmao:

I poured the gas out of the same can I filled in El Segundo...  :roll:
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Busa@11K on February 21, 2006, 02:28:00 AM
I personally don't give a #$%$% about dyno numbers because ram air isn't being used. Its nothing more than a starving motor test in my eyes. *sigh*

Ram air only adds about 5% at 200 mph ... so if all bikes are tested on the dyno without ram-air then it's still a good baseline comparison.
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: GSXRme on February 21, 2006, 06:33:09 AM
I personally don't give a #$%$% about dyno numbers because ram air isn't being used. Its nothing more than a starving motor test in my eyes. *sigh*

Ram air only adds about 5% at 200 mph ... so if all bikes are tested on the dyno without ram-air then it's still a good baseline comparison.

All depends if the rider is running a Rich or lean maps. Thats where the saying KING OF THE DYNOS come from. I saw a dyno on the lakeland stunt show afew weeks ago. a guys built-up 750 put out 115rwhp. Then a bone stock 750 dyno'ed 110rwhp. I think thats why turbos dyno so good. They don't need the ram air.
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: THEMOTORHEAD on February 21, 2006, 08:47:45 AM
I personally don't give a #$%$% about dyno numbers because ram air isn't being used. Its nothing more than a starving motor test in my eyes. *sigh*

Ram air only adds about 5% at 200 mph ... so if all bikes are tested on the dyno without ram-air then it's still a good baseline comparison.

All depends if the rider is running a Rich or lean maps. Thats where the saying KING OF THE DYNOS come from. I saw a dyno on the lakeland stunt show afew weeks ago. a guys built-up 750 put out 115rwhp. Then a bone stock 750 dyno'ed 110rwhp. I think thats why turbos dyno so good. They don't need the ram air.
THATS ONE OF THE DUMBEST THINGS I HAVE EVER HEARD
RICH TO LEAN MAPS
DUDE IT PRETTY EASY TO SEE WHAT THE MIXTURE IS
PLUS WE ARE CIOMPARING STOCK TO STOCK
SO NO ALTERED MAPS FROM STOCK
AND TURBOS ARE HORRIBLE ON A DYNO SICE THEY ARE SUBJECT TO LESS LOAD AND TIRE SLIPPAGE
DYNO A BUSA MATBE 5 OR  10,000 TIMES THEN TELL ME
I DID SO MANY PIPE BUSA WITH EVERU STUPID MOD AND MIXTURE ETC
BIGGEST VARIABLE TO ME IS THE TIRES
A TIRE CAN ROB 12 HP WITHOUT A PROBLEM
A RICH MAPS ISNT UNLESS ITS SO FUCKIN FAT ITS GURGLING
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: BikeMech on February 21, 2006, 09:20:39 AM
 :D......  tic toc..... time will tell,  get to valdosta .....
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: FearsomeKawasaki on February 21, 2006, 12:23:24 PM
TWISTED,

You really are one of the simplest, idiotic grunts I have come across on the net.

Your assumption that the Busa will own this bike on the road and the track is so blatantly subjective you make me want to eat nappy shit.

And those who say the Busa handled better than the 12 are talking through emotion rather than logical thought. There have literally been dozens of tests of these bikes on test tracks and full on championship tracks and in almost every one, the 12 was by far the best option for the twisties. You can claim one or two articles are biased or whatever, but not dozens of tests over six years. The 12 would typically lap 2 to 3 seconds a lap faster. In one test they had nine top riders all having turns on the bikes and the 12 was clearly superior.

Performance Bikes in the UK published the top lap times from their test track recently since they started testing many years ago. This list includes stock bikes, souped up bikes, ex-racing bikes, then current UK Superbikes etc. The remarkable thing about this list is that in fourth place is the 2005 ZX12R, with the 05 Gixxer 1000 being the sole stock bike to beat it's lap times. It beat the 05 R1, R6, CBR1000, etc etc and also the 04 Gixxer 1000 and ZX10 times.

The Hayabusa lies in 16th place, four seconds a lap slower.

And you are trying to persuade us that the 14 which shares the same monocoque design, similar weight and has significantly more power than the 12, will be owned by the Busa on the road?

The early reports are that the 14 is better in the twisties than it's older stablemate. One gent posted on 200 recently saying he had been testing the 14 in france (he claimed to have been involved in the Busa project between 97-99) and that it posted better lap times than the 12R. Whether that is real or bollox is up for debate but he is known to several on the board who work for Kawasaki so ............

So your assumption that the Busa will hand it it's ass shows infact that you are an ass.
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: 1BadAssBusa on February 21, 2006, 12:35:22 PM
The BUSA is working with a 8 year old design and it's still LIMITED from the factory.  It's like asking the same person to do the same run, but on one of them use ankle weights and then compare.

But let's see what they do in the aftermarket wars!!!
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Busa@11K on February 21, 2006, 12:40:04 PM
The BUSA is working with a 8 year old design and it's still LIMITED from the factory. 

All bikes are limited speed limited from the factory ... unless something has changed with the top speed limit agreements.
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: oilheadron on February 21, 2006, 12:44:47 PM
"You can claim one or two articles are biased or whatever, but not dozens of tests over six years. The 12 would typically lap 2 to 3 seconds a lap faster."

Total fabricated baloney on your part. Just name 5 or 6 of these dozens of tests and we'll poke all kinds of holes in this idiocy.  :P :wink:
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: FearsomeKawasaki on February 21, 2006, 12:51:39 PM


For fuck sake Oilawanktron, I am not getting into a Busa/12 argument with you.

The point is, the 12 was faster on race tracks than the Busa, which is no surprise as it was heavier, down on power and had sports touring geometry. The 12 was far more sports focussed.

It is lying fourth on PB's all-time list, 12 places ahead of the Busa and 7 places ahead of the Yoshimura X1 Busa. Go see for yourself.

And you will remember the nine rider test of all the top bikes. It was the most comprehensive test ever as nine riders posted lap times on each bike after practise. Not one of them could lap quicker on the Busa. Not one.

This new 14 will have 6 years of R and D behind it and more power, so it is unlikely to be easy meat for the old tired Bugly is it?
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: FearsomeKawasaki on February 21, 2006, 01:00:28 PM

One other thing.

Someone posted above that they doubted if the 14 will beat the Busas top speed of 194mph. Come on get real guys.

The Busas true top speed is c.185 in good conditions. Maybe high 180s with a big tailwind and a gimp on board.

The Busa has never repeated 194 in any competition anywhere in the world
and it is clear the early bikes that were released to the mags were total ringers. Your average Joe struggles to break 180 on stock busas.

A fair speed figure for comparison would be about 185. It is that figure or something close you should judge the 14 against.

I personally believe it will have 5mph on the stock 12 and Busa, derestricted of course. I'd bet at our first JD of the year we'll see 193/193.
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Busa@11K on February 21, 2006, 01:51:12 PM
Your average Joe struggles to break 180 on stock busas.

Now don't get all Twisted and exaggerate your arse off.  Been plenty of guys with GPS that have ran well over 180 with bone stockers.
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: 02SE on February 21, 2006, 01:59:11 PM
Jamie, you scottish wanker. I've owned both 12 and 'Busa, and I stand by my comments.

Performance Bikes magazine ehh?. 

Here's a quote from Bruce Dunn, in the February '03 Performance Bikes magazine test between the 'Busa, ZX-12, ZZ-R1200, and CBR-XX. Page 68.

Quote
The Suzuki is so good at a bit of everything. It doesn't look like it's sportier than the ZX-12, but it is.
The Kawasaki has better brakes than the Suzuki, looks a million times better, pulls bigger wheelies, has a better gearbox and gearing, a slightly longer tank range and more effective wind protection for the rider.

But the Suzuki has a better power delivery and chassis, which is where it matters to me.

So even a reviewer that doesn't necessarily like the 'Busa, acknowledges that it's the better "performance bike".

Furthermore, there are plenty of members here, that have achieved a true 194+ mph top speed, on bone stock unrestricted 'Busa's.

BiggerDanno is one.

Don't forget, that our own Scott Guthrie holds the record at Maxton, for fastest stock 'Busa, on the official length course. There are several other members here, even ones that run ZX-12's, that can verify that.   

Faster even than the Muzzy backed ZX-12 effort, that ran on an artificially extended course.

But you know all this, it has been hashed to death years ago.   :)
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Joker_101 on February 21, 2006, 02:33:01 PM
blah blah blah blah blah
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: oilheadron on February 21, 2006, 02:47:28 PM
You hate to keep arguing with these guys, it's so tiring, but they're trying to rewrite history and it makes me sick. They know they're spewing garbage, but it just keeps on coming.  :evil:
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Twisted on February 21, 2006, 06:06:32 PM
oh shit! jamie dropped the goat long enough to form an assumption and post up, ripped plenty of 12s up with my busa in the twisties and its basically a joke on the straights, I wax 12s on my 05 gixxer and I am positive I will own the 14 as well....

shit jamies, I allready said I can scroung up a stock busa, anyone down with makin some money going heads up with their 12 or 14 the offer still stands, magazine editors included....

you get that video cam yet?

still waiting.....
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: FearsomeKawasaki on February 21, 2006, 06:20:42 PM
Jamie, you scottish wanker. I've owned both 12 and 'Busa, and I stand by my comments.

Performance Bikes magazine ehh?. 

Here's a quote from Bruce Dunn, in the February '03 Performance Bikes magazine test between the 'Busa, ZX-12, ZZ-R1200, and CBR-XX. Page 68.

Quote
The Suzuki is so good at a bit of everything. It doesn't look like it's sportier than the ZX-12, but it is.
The Kawasaki has better brakes than the Suzuki, looks a million times better, pulls bigger wheelies, has a better gearbox and gearing, a slightly longer tank range and more effective wind protection for the rider.

But the Suzuki has a better power delivery and chassis, which is where it matters to me.

So even a reviewer that doesn't necessarily like the 'Busa, acknowledges that it's the better "performance bike".

Furthermore, there are plenty of members here, that have achieved a true 194+ mph top speed, on bone stock unrestricted 'Busa's.

BiggerDanno is one.

Don't forget, that our own Scott Guthrie holds the record at Maxton, for fastest stock 'Busa, on the official length course. There are several other members here, even ones that run ZX-12's, that can verify that.   

Faster even than the Muzzy backed ZX-12 effort, that ran on an artificially extended course.

But you know all this, it has been hashed to death years ago.   :)




BLATANT BULLSHIT!

Not one Busa, anywhere in the world showroom stock has been anywhere near 194.

And Scott guthrie had mirror removed and gearing changed so WAS NOT STOCK! Those mods alone can net 4-5mph in some instances.

The fastest certified bone stock bike was the 12 ridden by Doug Meyer. Unless you can provide certified speeds run by confirmed stock busas you are talking shit as usual.

Plenty of members doing 194 speeds on bone stock bikes..........................BRAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAA

Yeah, bone stock except for filters, airbox mod, slammed, gearing, pipe.

 :eh: :eh:
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Twisted on February 21, 2006, 07:06:23 PM
jamie, I think you're certified.......  :wink:
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: 02SE on February 21, 2006, 07:23:45 PM
Jamie, you scottish wanker. I've owned both 12 and 'Busa, and I stand by my comments.

Performance Bikes magazine ehh?. 

Here's a quote from Bruce Dunn, in the February '03 Performance Bikes magazine test between the 'Busa, ZX-12, ZZ-R1200, and CBR-XX. Page 68.

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The Suzuki is so good at a bit of everything. It doesn't look like it's sportier than the ZX-12, but it is.
The Kawasaki has better brakes than the Suzuki, looks a million times better, pulls bigger wheelies, has a better gearbox and gearing, a slightly longer tank range and more effective wind protection for the rider.

But the Suzuki has a better power delivery and chassis, which is where it matters to me.

So even a reviewer that doesn't necessarily like the 'Busa, acknowledges that it's the better "performance bike".

Furthermore, there are plenty of members here, that have achieved a true 194+ mph top speed, on bone stock unrestricted 'Busa's.

BiggerDanno is one.

Don't forget, that our own Scott Guthrie holds the record at Maxton, for fastest stock 'Busa, on the official length course. There are several other members here, even ones that run ZX-12's, that can verify that.   

Faster even than the Muzzy backed ZX-12 effort, that ran on an artificially extended course.

But you know all this, it has been hashed to death years ago.   :)




BLATANT BULLSHIT!

Not one Busa, anywhere in the world showroom stock has been anywhere near 194.

And Scott guthrie had mirror removed and gearing changed so WAS NOT STOCK! Those mods alone can net 4-5mph in some instances.

The fastest certified bone stock bike was the 12 ridden by Doug Meyer. Unless you can provide certified speeds run by confirmed stock busas you are talking shit as usual.

Plenty of members doing 194 speeds on bone stock bikes..........................BRAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAA

Yeah, bone stock except for filters, airbox mod, slammed, gearing, pipe.

 :eh: :eh:

Quit molesting sheep, Jamie. It's warping your perception of reality.

Scott Guthrie is listed in the records, for his run at Maxton.  Close but no cigar, for the Muzzy effort.  :lol:

BiggerDanno has been 194 mph on GPS on his bone stock 2000 'Busa many times, and others have done so as well.

I would think you'd be tired of being proved wrong, after 6 years.   :P


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Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: HayaVegas on February 21, 2006, 07:34:24 PM
I owned a 12 and the busa, and I tell you it is hands down, the 12 was better in the twisties.  The busa feels like a minivan compared to the 12.  Anyone who has put several thousand miles on both machines would know that from an objective point of view, the zx12r is more sportlike and handles better.

However, from a SUBJECTIVE point of view, I LIKE the feel of the busa better than the stance of the 12, and therefore, I PREFER the busa over the 12, in any riding situation.  That being said, its easy to see why some of us think the busa makes for a better ride, - because it inspires confidence in people that just find the busa more comfortable.

But if you called it straight, - the 12 is the lighter feeling, more capable bike when it needs to be ridden nimbly. 

I can go faster on the busa in the twists than a clone of me on a 12...simply because I feel more confident on the busa.   That is a result of my personal preference.  The 14 in the hands of a capable rider would smoke the busa in the hands of the same rider, most likely, because the 14 is very similar to the 12.
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: rumble phish on February 21, 2006, 07:42:25 PM
I owned a 12 and the busa, and I tell you it is hands down, the 12 was better in the twisties.  The busa feels like a minivan compared to the 12.  Anyone who has put several thousand miles on both machines would know that from an objective point of view, the zx12r is more sportlike and handles better.

However, from a SUBJECTIVE point of view, I LIKE the feel of the busa better than the stance of the 12, and therefore, I PREFER the busa over the 12, in any riding situation.  That being said, its easy to see why some of us think the busa makes for a better ride, - because it inspires confidence in people that just find the busa more comfortable.

But if you called it straight, - the 12 is the lighter feeling, more capable bike when it needs to be ridden nimbly. 

I can go faster on the busa in the twists than a clone of me on a 12...simply because I feel more confident on the busa.   That is a result of my personal preference.  The 14 in the hands of a capable rider would smoke the busa in the hands of the same rider, most likely, because the 14 is very similar to the 12.

+1

didn't you sell your 12 to WristRocket (Les)??

Man, that is one scary fast 12!! WR put an Arata pipe and K&N's on it along with a PC3USB and had her mapped to the tune of 170+HP at the wheel. Fucking INSANE that bike is.
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: FearsomeKawasaki on February 21, 2006, 08:15:57 PM


Ha ha!

Some bloke says he saw 194 on gps and that is all you need?

You know nothing of the conditions, nothing of his mods, whether or not it was fucking downhill and without a timing light in sight!

Yet you decried Doug Meyer who did 192+ on certified lights, got a certified timing ticket, and subsequently had the bike stripped down by an independant magazine to prove it's showroom stock status. For fuck sake.  :hellno:

Scott Guthrie came on this site and confirmed, the bike had mirrors off and gearing WHICH IS NOT STOCK! So the 192 he did, which still doesn't beat Meyer's runs anyway, has fuck all to do with stock bikes! Mirrors net you 4mph for a fucking start!

Get real guys. The Ice Man has been caning the shit out of stock busas over the Florida 9/10ths, 1 mile and 1.25 miles and still is nowhere near 190mph never mind 194!
Even he agrees the true top end is c.185.

Knobs.   :bigfu:

Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: 02SE on February 21, 2006, 08:33:08 PM


Ha ha!

Some bloke says he saw 194 on gps and that is all you need?

You know nothing of the conditions, nothing of his mods, whether or not it was fucking downhill and without a timing light in sight!

Yet you decried Doug Meyer who did 192+ on certified lights, got a certified timing ticket, and subsequently had the bike stripped down by an independant magazine to prove it's showroom stock status. For fuck sake.  :hellno:

Scott Guthrie came on this site and confirmed, the bike had mirrors off and gearing WHICH IS NOT STOCK! So the 192 he did, which still doesn't beat Meyer's runs anyway, has fuck all to do with stock bikes! Mirrors net you 4mph for a fucking start!

Get real guys. The Ice Man has been caning the shit out of stock busas over the Florida 9/10ths, 1 mile and 1.25 miles and still is nowhere near 190mph never mind 194!
Even he agrees the true top end is c.185.

Knobs.   :bigfu:



As far as Danno doing 194+ mph on his stock 'Busa repeatedly, he has no reason to BS.

He's a respected member known to many here. He also has ran a turbobusa at Bonneville repeatedly.

He has stated that to achieve 194 mph, just as Cycle World editor Don Canet did back in '99, it was necessary to be as close to sea level as possible.

185 mph as stated by Ice Man, is for restricted 'Busas. 

Scott guthrie ran 193+ mph, at Maxton, on the official course.

Which is faster than the 192 mph the Muzzy massaged ZX-12 ran on an artificially extended course.

During the Muzzy effort, they started far enough behind the regular starting line, that they were already doing approx. 100 mph, when they crossed the official starting line used for all ECTA events at Maxton..

So the Muzzy run, can't be compared to any other runs made at Maxton on the official length course.

Furthermore, Guthrie ran an 18 tooth sprocket, which is taller than the 17 tooth stocker, which would effectively decrease the acceleration of a stock 'Busa.

 :P
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: COLDSTONE1300 on February 21, 2006, 08:33:49 PM
And No Zx-14 thread can truly be complete without the Kawasaki Village Idiot dropping in with tales of "WORLDS PRESS" that he never could post or verify accuratly. FK alot of us are HOPING the 14 trounces the busa so suzuki will be prompted to give a Fantastic Hayabusa revamp. At the way it sounds now, suzuki could just cam the busa and breath on the heads a lil to bust the new 14 power wise. A 1400cc punch up would probably be overkill (though welcomed).

I can't wait to see all the posts your gonna make with mag articles this and that on the new 14 this year. All these years waiting for a busa killer from kawi and now your chasing big bore and turbo charged versions of the Suzuki design that left you behind so long ago.  :lol2:
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: 02SE on February 21, 2006, 08:38:42 PM
FK alot of us are HOPING the 14 trounces the busa so suzuki will be prompted to give a Fantastic Hayabusa revamp. 

Exactly.  :D


All else aside, how are your Daughters Jamie?. I hope all is well.  :thumb:
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: HayaVegas on February 21, 2006, 09:43:19 PM
I owned a 12 and the busa, and I tell you it is hands down, the 12 was better in the twisties.  The busa feels like a minivan compared to the 12.  Anyone who has put several thousand miles on both machines would know that from an objective point of view, the zx12r is more sportlike and handles better.

However, from a SUBJECTIVE point of view, I LIKE the feel of the busa better than the stance of the 12, and therefore, I PREFER the busa over the 12, in any riding situation.  That being said, its easy to see why some of us think the busa makes for a better ride, - because it inspires confidence in people that just find the busa more comfortable.

But if you called it straight, - the 12 is the lighter feeling, more capable bike when it needs to be ridden nimbly. 

I can go faster on the busa in the twists than a clone of me on a 12...simply because I feel more confident on the busa.   That is a result of my personal preference.  The 14 in the hands of a capable rider would smoke the busa in the hands of the same rider, most likely, because the 14 is very similar to the 12.

+1

didn't you sell your 12 to WristRocket (Les)??

Man, that is one scary fast 12!! WR put an Arata pipe and K&N's on it along with a PC3USB and had her mapped to the tune of 170+HP at the wheel. Fucking INSANE that bike is.

I sold my 12 to Wristrocket's friend that he works with.  Mine was the blue 04 zx12 and I had already put a PC and Yosh on it.  I dont know what his friend did to it.  But DAMN if that's what my old bike puts to the RW, holy shnikes.

Sometimes I miss the 12, but in all honesty, it sat too damn high for me at 5'7".  I am much more comfortable at a red light on the bus.  The 12 was awesome in performance,- it just wasnt meant for a short guy like me with my big legs.  Otherwise, I would have kept it.

www.bikepics.com/members/tozzizx11    <---my old bikes
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Twisted on February 21, 2006, 11:11:43 PM
I owned a 12 and the busa, and I tell you it is hands down, the 12 was better in the twisties.  The busa feels like a minivan compared to the 12.  Anyone who has put several thousand miles on both machines would know that from an objective point of view, the zx12r is more sportlike and handles better.



get your hands on a stock 12 and I'll meet you in pahrump with a stock busa and prove you wrong.... whatever race you wanna set up, aggrigate, heads up, dont care...

loser runs around the course one time wearing nothing but his boots and helmet, if you lose I will be video taping your jog around the track for everyone on putfile to see how BADD ASS the 12 is.....

still care to back up that claim?
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Busa@11K on February 22, 2006, 12:31:12 AM
Where's Todd ... I know FK misses his inputs. :lol2:

Also ... would someone race Twisted?  He's gonna go nuts otherwise.  I think I got him all riled up with the Rustang vs. Z06 challenge. :lmao:
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: VegasDude on February 22, 2006, 12:42:32 AM
Where's Todd ... I know FK misses his inputs. :lol2:

Also ... would someone race Twisted?  He's gonna go nuts otherwise.  I think I got him all riled up with the Rustang vs. Z06 challenge. :lmao:

I'll speak for Todd on this one...............hey Fearsome, pull your kilt out of your ass and quit talking about that damn 12 of yours that's always broke when you go to run it. When the busa did the 200 mph run in your stupid country it had the mirrors on it..........and don't mention that friggen tail wind either cause there was no wind cause the whole area sucks!! When kawasukie shows up they bring 10 trailers and 10 bikes and run the best of them, all tweaked of course. When suzuki shows up they bring one busa in one truck and run that. The busa is pure stock. Now stuff that up yer Kilt, FK!!!! Oh and another thing.......look in guiness book of world records, and you'll see that the busa holds the title as fastest, bestest motorcycle in the world and the zx12 is in second(sucks) place!!! FK won't race twisted........that's a fuckin joke. FK's bike is in pieces!!! Don't forget FK, Todd and I have got pics of you in yer kilt with your boyfriend!! And don't forget the shootout in Sports Ryder with the busa, 12 and the BMW K1200S. The busa won again. More horsepower, more top end, faster in the quarter and best handling...........up your Kilt!!!
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Twisted on February 22, 2006, 12:54:31 AM
Where's Todd ... I know FK misses his inputs. :lol2:

Also ... would someone race Twisted?  He's gonna go nuts otherwise.  I think I got him all riled up with the Rustang vs. Z06 challenge. :lmao:

um no scotty, wishfull thinking on your part, I am not trying to defend the fact the mustang is a disposable $13k coupe with bad brakes and poor isolation good for about 100,000 miles, it is what it is, but for what it does I got more for my money than you did by far....  :wink:
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: HayaVegas on February 22, 2006, 03:16:19 AM
I owned a 12 and the busa, and I tell you it is hands down, the 12 was better in the twisties.  The busa feels like a minivan compared to the 12.  Anyone who has put several thousand miles on both machines would know that from an objective point of view, the zx12r is more sportlike and handles better.



get your hands on a stock 12 and I'll meet you in pahrump with a stock busa and prove you wrong.... whatever race you wanna set up, aggrigate, heads up, dont care...

loser runs around the course one time wearing nothing but his boots and helmet, if you lose I will be video taping your jog around the track for everyone on putfile to see how BADD ASS the 12 is.....

still care to back up that claim?

No, that would only prove you are a better rider than me.  I have no problem admitting my limits.  I dont profess to be anything special on a track. 

You speak from emotion, not common sense.  You have some personal aversion to the zx12r and that is all there is to gain from what you say.  If you had a modicum of objectivity in your debates, people would actually be able to take you seriously. 

The 12 is known for faster track times.  I happened to agree since I owned BOTH, that the 12 was much sportier (objectively speaking)  in the handling dept. than the busa. 

Why do you have such a problem with that?  It has nothing to do with my personal riding talent or experience. 

I bet you couldnt find a real top-shelf professional racer that would tell you they believed a busa was quicker around a track than a zx12r - given the same rider and same experience. 

But that's my opinion.
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Twisted on February 22, 2006, 03:49:23 AM
I owned a 12 and the busa, and I tell you it is hands down, the 12 was better in the twisties.  The busa feels like a minivan compared to the 12.  Anyone who has put several thousand miles on both machines would know that from an objective point of view, the zx12r is more sportlike and handles better.



get your hands on a stock 12 and I'll meet you in pahrump with a stock busa and prove you wrong.... whatever race you wanna set up, aggregate, heads up, don't care...

loser runs around the course one time wearing nothing but his boots and helmet, if you lose I will be video taping your jog around the track for everyone on putfile to see how BADD ASS the 12 is.....

still care to back up that claim?


The 12 is known for faster track times.  I happened to agree since I owned BOTH, that the 12 was much sportier (objectively speaking)  in the handling dept. than the busa. 

Why do you have such a problem with that?  It has nothing to do with my personal riding talent or experience. 




I have a problem with it because its bullshit, all of it, right down to the 12 being faster...

I get a kick out of keyboard racers, the only thing they're fast at is plagiarism, they take an article heavily weighed by whatever manufacturer is paying that month and type up their own version of it here and represent it as gospel...  :roll:

at least you admit your skills, I respect and admire that...

with that said I will say this....

there are far too many mechanical variables at large to say one bike handles better than another or does faster lap times than the other on the street or the track, a simple choice of compound may make the difference of 2, 3 or 4 seconds....

when you are on the track racing you are not racing the other riders you are racing yourself, each day out you need to improve on your own lap times by exploiting your bikes stregnths and building on its weaknesses, improving feedback and data logging for the proper compound choices and suspension set ups to get the bike around the track as efficiently as possible, you cant rely on other riders to be faster or slower from race to race to get you a podium, make what you have work...

I say the busa is faster around the track than the 12 because I have learned how to work the busa, set it up and go, thats the difference, I know the lean angles and corner speeds for different compounds on the busa, I have been to the edge of its performance maybe a bit further, I understand the bike and ride it accordingly, theres a chance my lap times on my gixxer may only be 4 or 5 seconds faster than the busa on a medium layout but the riding approach is completely different....

IF someone does find a compatible set up for the 12 then it will boil down to rider skill, determination and will, they call it racing....

my claim the busa is faster in the twisties is just that, my claim, if someone wants to prove me wrong then I'm all for that...

one thing that is for sure, I wont let a magazine editor or another racer tell me how fast I can go on a given bike...  :wink:
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: FearsomeKawasaki on February 22, 2006, 06:44:18 AM

TWISTED WEENER wrote:

"there are far too many mechanical variables at large to say one bike handles better than another or does faster lap times than the other on the street or the track, a simple choice of compound may make the difference of 2, 3 or 4 seconds...."

Yes, but those variables manifest themselves through time in faster lap times.

There have been dozens of racing track tests of these bikes and the simple cunting fact is the 12 almost always was about 3 seconds a lap faster!

You may believe in your mind you could get the Busa equal to the 12, you may think your experience of the Busa would help also and your knowledge of setting it up, but what you are forgetting is that these tests were of stock bikes on stock tyres as they are released from the showroom. Ridden by semi-professional and professional riders.

AND THE 12 IS ALMOST ALWAYS 3 SECONDS A LAP FASTER ROUND A TRACK! Only one test round a track did the busa prove faster and that was the Nuhrburgring in Germany in a test where they had repeated problems with the 12s clutch after drag racing them first.

The best test ever was the nine rider test. That's nine professional racers you fuck. NOT ONE OF THEM COULD GET THE BUSA NEAR THE 12'S LAP TIMES.

NOT ONE!

Of course, you are better than all of them and would miraculously net three seconds a lap on all of them wouldn't you with an overweight, long past it's best Hayabugly wouldn't you?
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: FearsomeKawasaki on February 22, 2006, 06:53:46 AM


Ha ha!

Some bloke says he saw 194 on gps and that is all you need?

You know nothing of the conditions, nothing of his mods, whether or not it was fucking downhill and without a timing light in sight!

Yet you decried Doug Meyer who did 192+ on certified lights, got a certified timing ticket, and subsequently had the bike stripped down by an independant magazine to prove it's showroom stock status. For fuck sake.  :hellno:

Scott Guthrie came on this site and confirmed, the bike had mirrors off and gearing WHICH IS NOT STOCK! So the 192 he did, which still doesn't beat Meyer's runs anyway, has fuck all to do with stock bikes! Mirrors net you 4mph for a fucking start!

Get real guys. The Ice Man has been caning the shit out of stock busas over the Florida 9/10ths, 1 mile and 1.25 miles and still is nowhere near 190mph never mind 194!
Even he agrees the true top end is c.185.

Knobs.   :bigfu:



As far as Danno doing 194+ mph on his stock 'Busa repeatedly, he has no reason to BS.

He's a respected member known to many here. He also has ran a turbobusa at Bonneville repeatedly.

He has stated that to achieve 194 mph, just as Cycle World editor Don Canet did back in '99, it was necessary to be as close to sea level as possible.

185 mph as stated by Ice Man, is for restricted 'Busas. 

Scott guthrie ran 193+ mph, at Maxton, on the official course.

Which is faster than the 192 mph the Muzzy massaged ZX-12 ran on an artificially extended course.

During the Muzzy effort, they started far enough behind the regular starting line, that they were already doing approx. 100 mph, when they crossed the official starting line used for all ECTA events at Maxton..

So the Muzzy run, can't be compared to any other runs made at Maxton on the official length course.

Furthermore, Guthrie ran an 18 tooth sprocket, which is taller than the 17 tooth stocker, which would effectively decrease the acceleration of a stock 'Busa.

 :P

Scott Guthrie ran 192. And had mirrors off and was geared so as a representation of a stock bike those runs are moot. Or of course we could say the Muzzy runs with just a pipe, one less mod than guthrie, at 199mph represents a stock 12R speed eh?

Biggerdanno may have achieved those speeds but you know nothing of the mods. Many call their bikes stockers even when mirrors off, lowered, airbox mods, etc. Not in ANY competition anywhere in the world has a showroom stock busa done 194 or anywhere near on certified lights. And the fact that it was hearsay of what he saw in his gps is utterly fucking useless information. If I came on with crap like that you'd shoot me down in flames and rightly so.

PROVE me wrong. Show me any timing ticket on certified lights with a proven stock Busa at 194. Or anywhere near for that matter.

How come the Maxton mile, the Florida 9/10ths, Elvington, Woodbridge etc have never EVER produced anything like 194 from a stock busa with some of the best riders in the world riding them with tailwinds, headwinds, sidewinds, over the past six years!??

It's bullshit mate. Always has been. The Busa's top speed is 185+ with a very good rider, maybe a bit more with a tail. Low 180s with most of us.

Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: denise richards on February 22, 2006, 10:49:50 AM
fk,my turbo99 is faster then a zx14 :lol:



the k5,k6gixxers are faster from a roll anyway,so whats the hype? :?

and wtf is it with the twisties comparos? :?
you guys fucking insane?a decent rider would outride any busa and 14 or 12 on a fucking 600cc bike at the roadcurses.

hell ive seen comparos on small road courses where ktms were quicker the the new r1.


busa will make you fly into a tree or off the street if you try to rail hard on it.
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: ROBOPTI on February 22, 2006, 11:34:59 AM
AND THE 12 IS ALMOST ALWAYS 3 SECONDS A LAP FASTER ROUND A TRACK! Only one test round a track did the busa prove faster and that was the Nuhrburgring in Germany in a test where they had repeated problems with the 12s clutch after drag racing them first.

The best test ever was the nine rider test. That's nine professional racers you fuck. NOT ONE OF THEM COULD GET THE BUSA NEAR THE 12'S LAP TIMES.

NOT ONE!

Of course, you are better than all of them and would miraculously net three seconds a lap on all of them wouldn't you with an overweight, long past it's best Hayabugly wouldn't you?


I have always been amused with this never-ending dribble from the 12 guys ... I really have ....

I'm not gonna join in ... but this particular little entry just makes me laugh

So in reference to the part of the quote I have above

WHO GIVES A SHIT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have thought about it and though about it ... and cannot remember once when I was standing in the dealer showrrom saying "Hmmmmm ... God ... I wonder how much I would lower my lap times on the 12 from the the Busa"

I also cannot EVER recall any instance where I was glued to the TV watching .. and this may take a minute to name them all .... watching AMA WSBK MOTOGP British Superbike Canadian AMA Australian SB Suzuka 8 Hour etc etc etc ... and saying "DAMN ... Where is that 12 ... cuz I know he's gonna lap the Busa"

I have owned both ... I have Busas for a reason ....

But a Rose is a Rose is a Rose ... The world knows the Busa and the world clearly forgot/never heard too much about the 12

FYI ... I AM IN THE FREAKING LOOP on this one ... The new Busa will kick that 14 in the teeth ... and the best part Kawi guys .... THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT

Just my 2 cents
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: JR on February 22, 2006, 11:36:21 AM
my suzuki source said this:

JR

We don’t plan to sneak any information early! (new busa) I can tell you that the test rider Ricky Gadsen told me if we reduce the weight as plan the current Busa platform would hands down best the Kawasaki 1400!

 

Mel

take it for what it's worth..

 

Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: FearsomeKawasaki on February 22, 2006, 11:44:18 AM
fk,my turbo99 is faster then a zx14 :lol:



the k5,k6gixxers are faster from a roll anyway,so whats the hype? :?

and wtf is it with the twisties comparos? :?
you guys fucking insane?a decent rider would outride any busa and 14 or 12 on a fucking 600cc bike at the roadcurses.

hell ive seen comparos on small road courses where ktms were quicker the the new r1.


busa will make you fly into a tree or off the street if you try to rail hard on it.


Actually, if you read back you will see it was TWISTED that started this shit.

We all know the 14 is not a supersport platform.

However, he contested the Busa would piss on this on the road and track, knowing fuck all about the bike. And also that the Busa wanked the 12 into the weeds in that dept too, which is factually 100% wrong.

It didn't.

The 12 was a far more sports orientated bike than the sports tourer Busa. This was never in doubt. Except for Twisted of course.

And he fellates dogs
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: ROBOPTI on February 22, 2006, 11:47:27 AM
I stand corrected ... I err'd  :wink:
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: oilheadron on February 22, 2006, 12:22:42 PM
A customer of ours has a 2000 model ZX-12 gathering dust in my showroom if anybody wants one. Please get this thing out of here. $6,250.  :duh:
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: 02SE on February 22, 2006, 12:46:00 PM

PROVE me wrong. Show me any timing ticket on certified lights with a proven stock Busa at 194. Or anywhere near for that matter.

How come the Maxton mile, the Florida 9/10ths, Elvington, Woodbridge etc have never EVER produced anything like 194 from a stock busa with some of the best riders in the world riding them with tailwinds, headwinds, sidewinds, over the past six years!??

It's bullshit mate. Always has been. The Busa's top speed is 185+ with a very good rider, maybe a bit more with a tail. Low 180s with most of us.



Since you like to quote UK mags, how about this from Superbike magazine:
SuperBike Magazine September 2000

Title: Taken From Behind

Top Speed:
Suzuki GSX1300R Hayabusa : 196 mph
The fastest production bike SuperBike has ever tested.
(http://www.qsl.net/n5mya/sbike1.jpg)

They then went on to do 177 mph, two-up.

It doesn't matter how much you try to re-write history, Jamie. Those that do a little research, can find the truth for themselves.  8)
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Busa@11K on February 22, 2006, 01:06:22 PM

Actually, if you read back you will see it was TWISTED that started this shit.

We all know the 14 is not a supersport platform.


I've been trying to tell the Tard that for a week now.  It's like someone (probably himself) hit him 100 times on the skull with a hammer. :duh: :duh:  He's actually like that in every thread .... consider him the Ranger of SH.org. :lol2:
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Busa@11K on February 22, 2006, 01:08:24 PM
They then went on to do 177 mph, two-up.


Did they do a 170 mph stoppie ??  :P
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: kwack head on February 22, 2006, 01:37:27 PM
In this test the 12 only lost to the Gixxer K5. it came in second on lap speeds.


(http://img202.echo.cx/img202/2751/114nm.jpg)


Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: mrcisco on February 22, 2006, 03:53:01 PM
Why is someone who clearly favors kawasaki over suzuki even on this board?
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: kwack head on February 22, 2006, 04:07:19 PM
I like all bikes. I pilot a Busa as well.
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Twisted on February 22, 2006, 04:27:10 PM

Actually, if you read back you will see it was TWISTED that started this shit.

We all know the 14 is not a supersport platform.

However, he contested the Busa would piss on this on the road and track, knowing fuck all about the bike. And also that the Busa wanked the 12 into the weeds in that dept too, which is factually 100% wrong.

It didn't.

The 12 was a far more sports orientated bike than the sports tourer Busa. This was never in doubt. Except for Twisted of course.

And he fellates dogs


dood ricky started this shit....

and the only deluded offer you have is a hypothetical article written by some magazine wanker?

what I have is REAL life, I have ran against 12s several times, it was no contest, ZERO!

in two years not one 12 owner could hang with me on my busa, you wanna scream abilities go ahead because its extremely apparent the faster guys buy Suzuki's, 6 straight AMA championships, WSB on and on and on.....

do me a scotty and list the championships for kawasaki? if the only difference in lap times is rider ability, shame on kawasaki for only being able to attract squids, perhaps thats why you own one? the busa is a sport tourer it handles better and its comfort is unsurpassed, the 12 is, well, a joke.... BUT kawasaki list the 12 and 14 as supersport bikes, what that has to do with anything I dont know, apparently its only relevant to you because no matter what they list it as or what catagory you think its in the busa takes care of it...

as far as how this got started for me, ricky claims the busa may still be a contender for the 14, the fucking 14 isn't even on the showroom floor and it certainly hasn't beat the busa on a road course nor has a 12, if ricky wants to stand up like a fucking man and say something like, for being 6 yrs newer and 50 CCs more, kawasaki really has nothing to bragg about with 1/4 ETs so marginal rider skill could easily beat that margin.....

BUT SINCE COW GAVE HIM A 14 MY GUESS IS HE WILL PUNK OUT LIKE THE MAGAZINE EDITORS DO.... speaking of cows, don't you have sheep that need tending to ???


Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Busa@11K on February 22, 2006, 04:54:28 PM
what I have is REAL life, I have ran against 12s several times, it was no contest, ZERO!

That's because you're a complete lunatic on the streets.  Nobody in their right mind is gonna go nuts and kill themselves trying to prove they are faster than you on the street. :duh:  You have to compare track times, etc where everyone can go 100%.

do me a scotty and list the championships for kawasaki? if the only difference in lap times is rider ability, shame on kawasaki for only being able to attract squids, perhaps thats why you own one? the busa is a sport tourer it handles better and its comfort is unsurpassed, the 12 is, well, a joke.... BUT kawasaki list the 12 and 14 as supersport bikes, what that has to do with anything I dont know, apparently its only relevant to you because no matter what they list it as or what catagory you think its in the busa takes care of it...

Who the hell ya talkin' to slick?  :lol:  Why don't you go pull up the shit? ... I'm not your fuckin' data presenter. :finger:  You still believe everyhing they say on the Kaw website about the ZX-14 I see, so why would you believe any other data?  The only thing you believe is the made up twisted thoughts in your head. :lmao:  Oh ya, I'm selling the Busa and getting a ZX-14 ... NOT !!!  :P
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: bigchief on February 22, 2006, 04:59:35 PM
You guys are way to deep!
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Twisted on February 22, 2006, 05:00:58 PM
Why is someone who clearly favors kawasaki over suzuki even on this board?


he is trying to get real bike riders that own real bikes to validate his remarkably ignorant purchase, even going out on a limb to convince us that his wanker counterparts that sit behind a desk all day don't take money to inflate an article on a motorcycle so they can boost sales for a particular donor?

my guess is wankerboy went out and bought the PB mag with the article that claimed the 12 went 202 and he thought in between raping the sheep and drinking speed on tap he could get back and forth from the PUB quicker than any man alive if he bought one of these machines,  I guess while wankerboy was at the pub fantasizing about bald ewes moped owners would notice the shepherd belly up to the bar and quickly ride back to the manger and have their way with FKs stock before fearsomeKowfooker could peddle home and prevent the statutory sex from occurring, therefore the 12 is the fastest bike in the universe cuz bastard sheep births have been on the decline since the purchase...

heres my little UK editorial quote....

while the zx12 makes a fine tool on the farm, sales are well beyond pessimistic and many 12s are now used as fixtures on showroom floors, road handling abilities are mysterious as all reports from the 12s counterparts are usually something like this, "yea I did see a 12, hes back there about 20 miles or so, struggling with a clutch issue I suppose"....  :wink:
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Twisted on February 22, 2006, 05:06:38 PM

Who the hell ya talkin' to slick?  :lol:  Why don't you go pull up the shit? ... I'm not your fuckin' data presenter. :finger:  You still believe everyhing they say on the Kaw website about the ZX-14 I see, so why would you believe any other data?  The only thing you believe is the made up twisted thoughts in your head. :lmao:  Oh ya, I'm selling the Busa and getting a ZX-14 ... NOT !!!  :P

I was talkin to fearsomekowfucker, you know the guy that coined the word "sheepish"...

and there are no stats to pull for him, kawasaki hasnt won enough road racing championships to even note.....
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Busa@11K on February 22, 2006, 06:44:47 PM

Who the hell ya talkin' to slick?  :lol:  Why don't you go pull up the shit? ... I'm not your fuckin' data presenter. :finger:  You still believe everyhing they say on the Kaw website about the ZX-14 I see, so why would you believe any other data?  The only thing you believe is the made up twisted thoughts in your head. :lmao:  Oh ya, I'm selling the Busa and getting a ZX-14 ... NOT !!!  :P

I was talkin to fearsomekowfucker, you know the guy that coined the word "sheepish"...

and there are no stats to pull for him, kawasaki hasnt won enough road racing championships to even note.....

:lmao:
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Twisted on February 23, 2006, 05:16:29 AM
where is the wanker? I am awaiting his rebuttel so I can poke a hole in it...  :D
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: kwackhead on February 23, 2006, 07:58:53 AM
Well your guess is wrong. I actually compete on closed courses with people who actually race.
 But you on the other hand are quite the keyboard racer. what you up to, 50 words PM.
 
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Busa@11K on February 23, 2006, 12:12:32 PM
:lmao: ... I see you used that GIF I found for ya mon.  :lol:
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Twisted on February 23, 2006, 04:58:56 PM
Well your guess is wrong. I actually compete on closed courses with people who actually race.
 But you on the other hand are quite the keyboard racer. what you up to, 50 words PM.
 

good, then you have a 12 and are willing to go heads with me on a busa then?

I'll show you what 3 years racing 250cc motocross and 2 seasons production 750cc has done for me, not to mention the hundreds of thousands of road twisties...

this should be fun, btw, your not camera shy are ya?
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: kwackhead on February 23, 2006, 07:22:17 PM
good, then you have a 12 and are willing to go heads with me on a busa then?

I'll show you what 3 years racing 250cc motocross and 2 seasons production 750cc has done for me, not to mention the hundreds of thousands of road twisties...

this should be fun, btw, your not camera shy are ya?
  I am more into 1320' racing. I wont claim to be a road racer but I can hang with most and touch a knee.
But you dont want none of my 12 in the 1320, not with a stock Busa you dont.
 Whats with the camera shy question?
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: rumble phish on February 23, 2006, 07:24:48 PM
Well your guess is wrong. I actually compete on closed courses with people who actually race.
 But you on the other hand are quite the keyboard racer. what you up to, 50 words PM.
 

good, then you have a 12 and are willing to go heads with me on a busa then?

I'll show you what 3 years racing 250cc motocross and 2 seasons production 750cc has done for me, not to mention the hundreds of thousands of road twisties...

this should be fun, btw, your not camera shy are ya?


not to throw gas on your embers here but...





you talk about how much racing you've done and all the twisties you ride yet I've never seen a pic of you riding hard like you say you do.

I'm not saying that you haven't, but others have posted up visual evidence of their exploits.

Care to share some of yours?
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: learjett on February 23, 2006, 09:31:13 PM
My God!... this thread is F U N N Y!!!!  It has certainly entertained me for quite awhile this evening.  Strange how people are so "set" in their ways.  I mean, hell, I like all the bikes.  Nothing wrong with competition and I guess Kaw is providing a bit with the 14.  After all, other bikes, like the ZX11 for one of them, is what it's all about.  Had it not been for that one, hell, what incentive would Suzuki, or anyone else for that matter, have for building something a bit better, and faster?  Competition is GOOD and without it there would never have been Busas' in the first place.  Funny, funny, funny.... and oh, BTW, I own a beautiful 01 ZX11D in absolute pristine condition AND an 02 Busa in the same outstanding condition... and I'm not selling either one!  :lol:
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: VegasDude on February 23, 2006, 10:02:48 PM
My God!... this thread is F U N N Y!!!!  It has certainly entertained me for quite awhile this evening.  Strange how people are so "set" in their ways.  I mean, hell, I like all the bikes.  Nothing wrong with competition and I guess Kaw is providing a bit with the 14.  After all, other bikes, like the ZX11 for one of them, is what it's all about.  Had it not been for that one, hell, what incentive would Suzuki, or anyone else for that matter, have for building something a bit better, and faster?  Competition is GOOD and without it there would never have been Busas' in the first place.  Funny, funny, funny.... and oh, BTW, I own a beautiful 01 ZX11D in absolute pristine condition AND an 02 Busa in the same outstanding condition... and I'm not selling either one!  :lol:

Do you wear a kilt?        :P :shock: :o If you do FK want's to be your friend........! :wink:
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Quijinn on February 23, 2006, 11:20:28 PM
good, then you have a 12 and are willing to go heads with me on a busa then?

I'll show you what 3 years racing 250cc motocross and 2 seasons production 750cc has done for me, not to mention the hundreds of thousands of road twisties...

this should be fun, btw, your not camera shy are ya?
  I am more into 1320' racing. I wont claim to be a road racer but I can hang with most and touch a knee.
But you dont want none of my 12 in the 1320, not with a stock Busa you dont.
 Whats with the camera shy question?

I think I can pull a list of Busa's that would love to go head to head with yah. I know persoanally over a dozen street busa's that run 8's.... I dont think that was the right statement to toss out here. Sides whats a Stock Busa????  :joker:
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Quijinn on February 24, 2006, 12:17:18 AM
hmm I guess, dont see many ppl doing it on gree machines though...I am sure they can and do, just dont see many.
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: kwackhead on February 24, 2006, 12:25:22 AM
ooooops deleted my thread

 Not challenging anyone, I am not gonna claim Im the baddest, fastest mo-fo here, unlike other people that do. I will not Bash a brand either, like I said before i like all bikes.
Just dont thinkhe's got anything for me in the 1320.
But 8's arent all that impressive, faster than most, yup!  But there are some even faster.
 8's are just a  push of a little button. 
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Quijinn on February 24, 2006, 01:07:31 AM
8's on street bikes are impressive, even more so is when there 60-62 inches, and on DOT tires. Guys ride there bike to the track make a few 8.90 pass's and drive home.
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Twisted on February 24, 2006, 01:11:44 AM
good, then you have a 12 and are willing to go heads with me on a busa then?

I'll show you what 3 years racing 250cc motocross and 2 seasons production 750cc has done for me, not to mention the hundreds of thousands of road twisties...

this should be fun, btw, your not camera shy are ya?
  I am more into 1320' racing. I wont claim to be a road racer but I can hang with most and touch a knee.
But you dont want none of my 12 in the 1320, not with a stock Busa you dont.
 Whats with the camera shy question?


nevermind, I thought you wanted to put the stock 12 to the stock busa test on the road course, of course it would be documented for accuracy purposes...

dont you race a clock in 1320?...
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Twisted on February 24, 2006, 01:20:10 AM
Well your guess is wrong. I actually compete on closed courses with people who actually race.
 But you on the other hand are quite the keyboard racer. what you up to, 50 words PM.
 

good, then you have a 12 and are willing to go heads with me on a busa then?

I'll show you what 3 years racing 250cc motocross and 2 seasons production 750cc has done for me, not to mention the hundreds of thousands of road twisties...

this should be fun, btw, your not camera shy are ya?


not to throw gas on your embers here but...





you talk about how much racing you've done and all the twisties you ride yet I've never seen a pic of you riding hard like you say you do.

I'm not saying that you haven't, but others have posted up visual evidence of their exploits.

Care to share some of yours?


whats yer fancy? lane splitting, straight up hard core twisties? top speed?

I just posted a little walk in the park a minute ago if you had been paying attention, and others i the past... theres a little rumble with me on a puny little liter bike going up against turbo busas, hondas etc, in nicks vid...

dood, I have video of me railing in just about every flavor there is on the street, it just doesnt pay to advertise, document myself committing a felony then put it online, yea thats real smart, especially with all the haters on this board...

even if I did post it, some would say its not me anyways, best way is to see it with your own eyes, experience it...  :wink:
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: FearsomeKawasaki on February 27, 2006, 04:28:29 AM


02SE

You are quoting a bike mag. As such, it counts for fuck all.

If you quote the full test, you will see they mention tailwinds. You also know not of their mods or the equipment used to measure speed. Bruntingthorpe is also sloped and is never used for records because of it.  If you are a mag and wanting headlines what would you do?

You still do not seem to be finding ANY evidence of a Busa doing anything like these speeds in competition? Difficult is it?

Or will you quote me the Bike magazine 200.2mph run, on radar used for assessing the top speed of paddle boats.  :roll: Even though they later retracted their speeds saying "200.2, from a bike gear restricted to 196".

It's a fallacy mate.

Go ask The Ice Man, he's been trying to replicate those speeds on all sorts of stock or near stock busas for a while now. And guess what, he is still well off 190 with unrestricted bikes, tailwinds and all.

Good rider, tailwind, high 180s. True top speed with no wind assistance, mid 180s every time. Every competition in the world has backed this up repeatedly over six years.

 :bigfu:
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: URBAN COWBOY on February 27, 2006, 06:35:38 AM
Man you sound like true "Busa" hater. I don't remember how many articles I've read where the "Busa" has been radar verified at speeds over 190mph. The '99 "Busa" was radar verified at 195mph. How do you think it got into Guinness? That's cool though; believe what you want, because you will never see a "Kawasaki" in Guinness. (Especially the 12 :lol:).

URBAN COWBOY


02SE

You are quoting a bike mag. As such, it counts for fuck all.

If you quote the full test, you will see they mention tailwinds. You also know not of their mods or the equipment used to measure speed. Bruntingthorpe is also sloped and is never used for records because of it. If you are a mag and wanting headlines what would you do?

You still do not seem to be finding ANY evidence of a Busa doing anything like these speeds in competition? Difficult is it?

Or will you quote me the Bike magazine 200.2mph run, on radar used for assessing the top speed of paddle boats. :roll: Even though they later retracted their speeds saying "200.2, from a bike gear restricted to 196".

It's a fallacy mate.

Go ask The Ice Man, he's been trying to replicate those speeds on all sorts of stock or near stock busas for a while now. And guess what, he is still well off 190 with unrestricted bikes, tailwinds and all.

Good rider, tailwind, high 180s. True top speed with no wind assistance, mid 180s every time. Every competition in the world has backed this up repeatedly over six years.

 :bigfu:
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: FearsomeKawasaki on February 27, 2006, 09:26:01 AM


Actually this year there are a couple of records in there for the 12R.

There is NO mention of the Busa anywhere, only the Y2K turbine bike.

 :bigfu:
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Quijinn on February 27, 2006, 11:31:50 AM
Not to beat a dead horse but here is a arctical where they talk about the new ZX 14 and how it will beat the Busa. Notice how it states that the ZX 12 was not faster then the Busa sorry.

Kawasaki Ninja ZX-14: the most powerful and the fastest production motorcycle in history
Full write up http://www.gizmag.com/go/4642/
Page: 1 2

September 23, 2005 For several years now, the 178bhp Kawasaki ZX12 has had the most horsepower of any production motorcycle, though it has played second fiddle to the 175 bhp Suzuki GSX1300 Hayabusa (named after the Japanese Peregrine falcon, one of the few animals on the planet which can travel at 300km per hour which it does during a dive) because the Hayabusa has a higher top speed – the Suzuki’s aerodynamics enable it to more than make up for the slight horsepower deficit and it has now held the title of the world’s fastest production motorcycle for six years since it launched. The Hayabusa’s top speed as measured by the Guiness Book of Records is 317 km/h (196.97 mph) . But Kawasaki’s just announced ZX14 company flagship boasts 1400cc, much slipperier aerodynamics and the most horsepower and highest top speed of any production motorcycle EVER! The publicity conscious Kawasaki is keeping mum on the exact figures but the rumours emanating from Japan indicate we are just about to see the world’s first 200bhp production motorcycle. Full details inside.

I tried to find it in the online Guiness WBR but no luck, there limited on there records and nothing about production motorcycle speeds are there.

I did however find out the fastest Bicycle was faster then most ppl have been in there lives.

Fastest Bicycle Speed
The highest speed ever achieved on a bicycle is 268.831 km/h (167.043 mph), by Fred Rompelberg (The Netherlands) at Bonneville Salt Flats, Utah, USA, on October 3, 1995. His record attempt was greatly assisted by the slipstream from his lead vehicle. Fred has been cycling professionally for nearly 30 years and during that time has held 11 world records.


Its almost faster then a ZX 12 haha sorry :)
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Busa@11K on February 27, 2006, 01:17:28 PM
Fastest Bicycle Speed
The highest speed ever achieved on a bicycle is 268.831 km/h (167.043 mph), by Fred Rompelberg (The Netherlands) at Bonneville Salt Flats, Utah, USA, on October 3, 1995. His record attempt was greatly assisted by the slipstream from his lead vehicle. Fred has been cycling professionally for nearly 30 years and during that time has held 11 world records.


That guy must have some big assed legs !!  :shock: :P
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Isalsa on February 27, 2006, 11:09:29 PM
Well your guess is wrong. I actually compete on closed courses with people who actually race.
 But you on the other hand are quite the keyboard racer. what you up to, 50 words PM.
 

good, then you have a 12 and are willing to go heads with me on a busa then?

I'll show you what 3 years racing 250cc motocross and 2 seasons production 750cc has done for me, not to mention the hundreds of thousands of road twisties...

this should be fun, btw, your not camera shy are ya?

I remember a few years back twisted and I holding our own in the twisties in Washington and I even had my girl on the back.  I currently have videos of my Busa on the track and in the mountains squeezing by some of those new super bikes.
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Twisted on February 27, 2006, 11:13:00 PM
Well your guess is wrong. I actually compete on closed courses with people who actually race.
 But you on the other hand are quite the keyboard racer. what you up to, 50 words PM.
 

good, then you have a 12 and are willing to go heads with me on a busa then?

I'll show you what 3 years racing 250cc motocross and 2 seasons production 750cc has done for me, not to mention the hundreds of thousands of road twisties...

this should be fun, btw, your not camera shy are ya?

I remember a few years back twisted and I holding our own in the twisties in Washington and I even had my girl on the back.  I currently have videos of my Busa on the track and in the mountains squeezing by some of those new super bikes.



they dont even know!
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Twisted on February 27, 2006, 11:15:51 PM
go to putfile.com and upload some of that track video, must be under 25 megs each...

if you do so I wll post up the rush hour gauntlet...  :D

get that bike squared away?
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Quijinn on February 27, 2006, 11:16:24 PM
shhh dont tell them  :twisted: I need to make some money off you  :lol: going to pimp out twisted at the track  :drink: :smokin:
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: 02SE on February 27, 2006, 11:24:31 PM
02SE

You are quoting a bike mag. As such, it counts for fuck all.

 :lol:

You've been quoting bike mags for 6 years.  :roll:

That's why I chose to refute your claims with a medium I felt you might understand.   :lmao:

Furthermore, I already gave you an example of Scott Guthrie's run at Maxton.

But since you've been in such massive denial for 6 years now, you just can't accept reality.  :lol2:
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Twisted on February 28, 2006, 02:09:40 AM
fk must be scotty, he pulls that shit to, he can post stuff but I cant rebuttle from the same media...  :duh:

whatever suits em at the time I guess?

ghetto squid, they never behave...  :lmao:
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Busa@11K on February 28, 2006, 04:20:41 AM
fk must be scotty, he pulls that shit to, he can post stuff but I cant rebuttle from the same media...  :duh:

whatever suits em at the time I guess?

ghetto squid, they never behave...  :lmao:

Yeah, some dumbshit named Twisted doesn't even know that the Ford GT has more HP than a C6 Z06 ... so much for your spec quoting and rebuttal abilities. :duh:  Go chew on some nuts squirrelly mon.  :P  :lol:
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Twisted on February 28, 2006, 04:27:04 AM
would that be BHP or RWHP? there is a difference scottish.... check the mag, dood dynoed both, z06 had more at the crank, GT had more to the ground...

I read that shit a in a magazine, if I cant use those numbers for my claim or even state I read them in a magazine then absolutely nothing you ever say can be taken seriously....

this is exactly what SE is talking about, you and FK can post numbers from mags but no one else can? WTF?
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: FearsomeKawasaki on February 28, 2006, 09:45:54 AM
02SE

You are quoting a bike mag. As such, it counts for fuck all.

 :lol:

You've been quoting bike mags for 6 years.  :roll:

That's why I chose to refute your claims with a medium I felt you might understand.   :lmao:

Furthermore, I already gave you an example of Scott Guthrie's run at Maxton.

But since you've been in such massive denial for 6 years now, you just can't accept reality.  :lol2:



Dear 02,

SCOTT GUTHRIES BIKE WAS NOT STOCK.

SCOTT GUTHRIES BIKE WAS NOT STOCK.

SCOTT GUTHRIES BIKE WAS NOT STOCK.

SCOTT GUTHRIES BIKE WAS NOT STOCK.

SCOTT GUTHRIES BIKE WAS NOT STOCK.



It had mirrors removed and was geared and did 192. Mirrors and gearing are good for 4mph+ so yes 192 was good, nearly as good as Doug Mayer's run, but unlike Guthrie, Meyer's bike was STOCK and proven stock by M/C!!!!!!!!!!!!


Show me one competition where the Busa STOCK was near 190 never mind 194 or 196 as you claim?

I can give you plenty of results where 12s are up there. Can't with the Busas as in all the competitions here they are maxed out in the mid 180s! Just like what Ice Man is finding on god knows how many different Busas in Florida.

 :finger:
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Farmer Rog on February 28, 2006, 09:54:38 AM
At Vegas yesterday at the World Press Intro, Ryan ran a 9.16 just lowered, pipe (Muzzy), and U4.  I think he did a 9.6X showroom stock. 
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: gnd111 on February 28, 2006, 10:03:09 AM
At Vegas yesterday at the World Press Intro, Ryan ran a 9.16 just lowered, pipe (Muzzy), and U4.  I think he did a 9.6X showroom stock. 

Ryan would run a 9.20 on a Busa set up the same...  Point?  Ryans ET to MPH clearly shows skill more than RWHP...
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Quijinn on February 28, 2006, 11:55:26 AM
would that be BHP or RWHP? there is a difference scottish.... check the mag, dood dynoed both, z06 had more at the crank, GT had more to the ground...

I read that shit a in a magazine, if I cant use those numbers for my claim or even state I read them in a magazine then absolutely nothing you ever say can be taken seriously....

this is exactly what SE is talking about, you and FK can post numbers from mags but no one else can? WTF?


Twisted is right about the Z06 trans useing more hp. The trans in the z06 is the same one out of the viper only modified, the good thing is that trans has been proven to over 1k hp with no mods and with slight mods its good in low 8 second vipers. Its just a beefier heavier trans, but it will last, also uses 3 syncros in 1st to help with downshifts.

You want a trans that dont use up much power get a neon :)
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: GSXRme on February 28, 2006, 12:14:38 PM
At Vegas yesterday at the World Press Intro, Ryan ran a 9.16 just lowered, pipe (Muzzy), and U4.  I think he did a 9.6X showroom stock. 

Ryan would run a 9.20 on a Busa set up the same...  Point?  Ryans ET to MPH clearly shows skill more than RWHP...

+1
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: J R on February 28, 2006, 12:21:11 PM
At Vegas yesterday at the World Press Intro, Ryan ran a 9.16 just lowered, pipe (Muzzy), and U4.  I think he did a 9.6X showroom stock. 

Ryan would run a 9.20 on a Busa set up the same...  Point?  Ryans ET to MPH clearly shows skill more than RWHP...
They also had some guy off bikeland post he ran a 10:40 in the mid 130,s on the 14. Sounds to me like it will be all down to the rider and mods done but it aint gonna just run away with the show  like it was hyped up to be.But we will see soon enough one way or the other.Slightly faster yea maybe, alot faster -nope
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: gnd111 on February 28, 2006, 12:48:27 PM
Straight from the people that were there and RODE the bike...

MadMike's best today was 10.40 @ 138
Ryan Schnitz' was 9.65 @ 147
both on stock bikes.


Rickey G on the same stock bike ran a 9.92 at like 145... you saw ryans already. Brock Davidson ran a 10.18 and here are my stats from my best pass.

1.852 = 60'
4.634 = 330'
6.861 = 1/8th
110.48mph
8.774 = 1000
10.404 = 1/4
136.86mph
on that pass I bumped limiter going into 4th, righ at the traps.... So I am only geting into 4th for oh the last 75ft or less.... regear, lower, strap, and a pipe and this bike is going to be a monster at the strip....
oh Rickey only made like 2 passes on the stock bike....so he would have gotten into the 80's for sure... and if anyone is interested I weigh in at 240 with no gear, so you can figure your mph from there. ryan weighs 140 "maybe" and he ran 147, so like a 10mph slide... 137.4 was my best mph 4-5times...
____________



Sounds like just what we thought - a 1363 Busa.....
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Busa@11K on February 28, 2006, 12:52:32 PM
would that be BHP or RWHP? there is a difference scottish.... check the mag, dood dynoed both, z06 had more at the crank, GT had more to the ground...

I read that shit a in a magazine, if I cant use those numbers for my claim or even state I read them in a magazine then absolutely nothing you ever say can be taken seriously....

this is exactly what SE is talking about, you and FK can post numbers from mags but no one else can? WTF?

Go back to the thread where I quoted the manufactures ... it they don't know then nobody does. :duh:  Also backed up by independant tests side-by-side.  I remember you threw up the troll surrender flag when it got to close to reality for ya.  :lol:
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Busa@11K on February 28, 2006, 12:55:59 PM
would that be BHP or RWHP? there is a difference scottish.... check the mag, dood dynoed both, z06 had more at the crank, GT had more to the ground...

I read that shit a in a magazine, if I cant use those numbers for my claim or even state I read them in a magazine then absolutely nothing you ever say can be taken seriously....

this is exactly what SE is talking about, you and FK can post numbers from mags but no one else can? WTF?


Twisted is right about the Z06 trans useing more hp. The trans in the z06 is the same one out of the viper only modified, the good thing is that trans has been proven to over 1k hp with no mods and with slight mods its good in low 8 second vipers. Its just a beefier heavier trans, but it will last, also uses 3 syncros in 1st to help with downshifts.

You want a trans that dont use up much power get a neon :)

How can a car with less crank HP and a less efficient drivetrain have more RWHP?  I listed the SAE certified crank HP ratings, but Nimrod doesn't believe them.  The Z06 does NOT have more crank HP than a Ford GT, and if the Z06 drivetrain is less efficient then there's no way in hell its gonna have more RWHP.

I suspect cold fusion is helping power the new ZX-14 too.  :P

BTW -- this is more interesting to talk about than the ZX-14 vs. Busa circle jerk ...  :o :lol:
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Twisted on February 28, 2006, 03:31:06 PM
dood, I didnt put them on the dynos, the guy in the mag said the GT has a more efficient drivetrain, he also went on to say people skew things all the time when representing stuff, why would it be a surprise to you, false representation in america?

would it surprise youif they told you the z06 was mass produced and not hand made? what kind of supercar is mass produced? is the console really made in mexico?

(http://www.griconsulting.com/images/bodegavaerea.jpg)
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Quijinn on February 28, 2006, 03:34:35 PM
would that be BHP or RWHP? there is a difference scottish.... check the mag, dood dynoed both, z06 had more at the crank, GT had more to the ground...

I read that shit a in a magazine, if I cant use those numbers for my claim or even state I read them in a magazine then absolutely nothing you ever say can be taken seriously....

this is exactly what SE is talking about, you and FK can post numbers from mags but no one else can? WTF?


Twisted is right about the Z06 trans useing more hp. The trans in the z06 is the same one out of the viper only modified, the good thing is that trans has been proven to over 1k hp with no mods and with slight mods its good in low 8 second vipers. Its just a beefier heavier trans, but it will last, also uses 3 syncros in 1st to help with downshifts.

You want a trans that dont use up much power get a neon :)

How can a car with less crank HP and a less efficient drivetrain have more RWHP?  I listed the SAE certified crank HP ratings, but Nimrod doesn't believe them.  The Z06 does NOT have more crank HP than a Ford GT, and if the Z06 drivetrain is less efficient then there's no way in hell its gonna have more RWHP.

I suspect cold fusion is helping power the new ZX-14 too.  :P

BTW -- this is more interesting to talk about than the ZX-14 vs. Busa circle jerk ...  :o :lol:

I never said his numbers are right as I have never had the motors on a Engine dyno, then on a Chassies dyno. I am just saying the Z06 uses a monster of a trans and it uses more % power then that wee little crunch box the GT use's. I dont know what the numbers are, just that they are smart for putting such a nice trans (strenght wise) into a car you will know will be boosted or NoSed.
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Busa@11K on February 28, 2006, 03:50:51 PM
dood, I didnt put them on the dynos, the guy in the mag said the GT has a more efficient drivetrain, he also went on to say people skew things all the time when representing stuff, why would it be a surprise to you, false representation in america?

Well, that dude was obviously smokin' something because the LS7 in the Z06 doesn't make more HP than the supercharged Ford GT engine.  So how the hell is the Z06 gonna make more HP at the wheels if its drive train robs more power?  In order for the Z06 to make the claims of the idiot you believe it would have to have about 600 crank HP for it to make more RWHP than a Ford GT, while having more drive train loss.

Did you start writing tech articles for the car mags? :lmao:

Directly from the manufacture's websites ... oh yeah, I forgot ... they don't know what the hell they're talking about. :roll:  :P

2006 Ford GT:
http://www.fordvehicles.com/fordgt/specs.asp

Horsepower @ RPM: 550 @ 6,500
Torque @ RPM (lb ft): 500 @ 3,750

2006 Vette Z06:
http://www.chevrolet.com/corvette/features/   (look under "Engine/Chassis" tab)

SAE-certified 505 hp @ 6300 rpm, 470 lb.-ft. @ 4800 rpm
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: gnd111 on February 28, 2006, 06:01:13 PM
A 100% bone stock GT put down 523 to the wheels... :shock:
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Quijinn on February 28, 2006, 06:02:15 PM
A 100% bone stock GT put down 523 to the wheels... :shock:

Is a gt really Bone stock?  :lol:

Like saying a Bugatti is a production car :)
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: gnd111 on February 28, 2006, 06:03:09 PM
A 100% bone stock GT put down 523 to the wheels... :shock:

Is a gt really Bone stock?  :lol:

Like saying a Bugatti is a production car :)

He has 749 now and beat a ZX10R from a 40 roll the other night... :shock:
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Quijinn on February 28, 2006, 07:35:30 PM
ahaha fucken nice lol. was the 10 comeing back on him around 100?? I would think 40 is still a little low for the full fury or a 10 to be unleashed. Try it from 80 :) I have massive respect for 500 plus hp cars. I want my Stealth to sit at around 450 awd hp and I will be happy, on pump gas of course.
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Busa@11K on February 28, 2006, 08:11:50 PM
ahaha fucken nice lol. was the 10 comeing back on him around 100?? I would think 40 is still a little low for the full fury or a 10 to be unleashed. Try it from 80 :) I have massive respect for 500 plus hp cars. I want my Stealth to sit at around 450 awd hp and I will be happy, on pump gas of course.

Big HP cars actually have an advantage on the top end because they have a better HP to aerodrag ratio.  Almost every video you see of a high HP car vs. bike you'll see the car reel in the bike on the top end if they are geared right.
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Quijinn on February 28, 2006, 08:18:12 PM
Right top end being around 160 plus, Mid speed 100 ish the bike still has better power to weight ratio. There is a point when the bike can apply full power and start to creep up, once they hit there dynamic wall its over though. Like you say cars have a advantage on top end. Busa has something like a .58 CD and thats considered good for a bike  :shock: cars are around .32-.34 so I am just wondering if the bike was able to start comeing back around 70 ish to 130 ish area.
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: FearsomeKawasaki on February 28, 2006, 09:17:05 PM
Straight from the people that were there and RODE the bike...

MadMike's best today was 10.40 @ 138
Ryan Schnitz' was 9.65 @ 147
both on stock bikes.


Rickey G on the same stock bike ran a 9.92 at like 145... you saw ryans already. Brock Davidson ran a 10.18 and here are my stats from my best pass.

1.852 = 60'
4.634 = 330'
6.861 = 1/8th
110.48mph
8.774 = 1000
10.404 = 1/4
136.86mph
on that pass I bumped limiter going into 4th, righ at the traps.... So I am only geting into 4th for oh the last 75ft or less.... regear, lower, strap, and a pipe and this bike is going to be a monster at the strip....
oh Rickey only made like 2 passes on the stock bike....so he would have gotten into the 80's for sure... and if anyone is interested I weigh in at 240 with no gear, so you can figure your mph from there. ryan weighs 140 "maybe" and he ran 147, so like a 10mph slide... 137.4 was my best mph 4-5times...
____________



Sounds like just what we thought - a 1363 Busa.....


You want to report the rest of what was said.......................................?

"but Rickey jumped on and ran a 9.31@151MPH followed by Ryan’s stunning 9.14@153MPH. Remember, this was at a measured corrected altitude of over 3500 ft with an 8-10mph cross wind. I can see 9.0’s or even 8.90’s if Ryan rides this bike at Valdosta in the right conditions."

:mad:
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: gnd111 on February 28, 2006, 09:25:08 PM
I copied and pasted whay i saw on Bikeland.org - and they were actually there.  Truth is with average riders it will perform on par with the 12R and Busa.

A good running bike - without a doubt.  The end all be all drag monster - no chance...

Quijinn - the Ford GT was ahead by about 2 lengths till 140(ish) when they let off.  They ran 2 times with the same result but the rider was not very good on the 10R..

I am sure Rickey G could have beaten the car... :lol:
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: gnd111 on February 28, 2006, 09:26:03 PM
PS - FK - Rickey had that bike that went 9.31 with few things done and U4 gas...
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Quijinn on February 28, 2006, 09:28:21 PM
All in all man that has to be some cool shit to be in your car look over and see the car where? Behind you hahaha :)
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Phantom13 on March 19, 2006, 11:00:45 AM
Figured since there was a freaking 12 page long thread about the Busa/12/14.... I'd chime in and lay down some FACTS.

1. The hayabusa and ZX12R are both amazing stupid fast bikes.

2. They are so close in performance.... the faster bike will be the one with the better rider, PERIOD.

3. The fastest CERTIFIED top speed of a 100% bone stock production bike was D.Meyer's ZX12R @ 192mph. The Cycleworld/Superbike mag/Whatever mag tests showing ridiculous speeds like 200mph and 196mph and 194mph are completely bogus. A stock busa is geared for only 196mph and does NOT have the power to pull the rev limiter in stock trim... not even close. Even on a long 2 mile strip, it would take roughly 165-170rwhp to hit those speeds on a perfect windless day.

4. Scott Gunthrie's Busa was not in stock trim, there are plenty of mods you can do to a "stocker" that will pick up 4-5mph without compromising the "stock" look. THEICEMAN has done it with his stocker and ran 192mph in just 9/10th's of a mile. But in 100% stock trim... can not be done without miles and miles of room and a huge tailwind.

5. We've done our own testing of the showroom stock Busa in the standing mile with arguably our best rider down here, THEICEMAN. Over 5,000 passes and 10 years of land speed racing experience. Restricted at 100% bone stock, 183.5mph was the best it would do. Unrestricted with a double bubble and BMC race filters on a PERFECT DAY, 187mph in the standing mile. Take away 1-2mph for the double bubble and BMC.... you're looking at 185-186mph on a PERFECT PERFECT day with an expert rider in the standing mile. Maybe 189-190mph with 2 miles in the same conditions....but that's it. Again, this was conducted at SEA LEVEL with about 68-72*F weather with clear sky's and no wind. It truly was a beautiful day.

6. Whoever thinks the Busa handles better than a ZX12R in the twisties, obviously has a right to their opinion, but as FK stated, the POPULAR unbais opinion is quite the contrary. I for one have ridden both bikes in the twisties and although I'm fairly more comfortable and accustomed to the 12R, there really is quite the difference between the two in terms of overall handling performance. This comes to no suprise being that the ZX12R was designed to perform extremely well for it's size in such an area.... there was no compromise in sportiness for terminal speed or 1/4 mile ET's. I'm sure kawasaki figured that if someone was going to use a 12r for drag racing or top speed, they'd simply lower and stretch it anyway... no need to sacrifice one thing for another, let the consumer choose which aspect to focus on and let him do it with the aftermarket. Who races showroom stock bikes anyway?

7. Those of you who say that you've never lost to a 12R, blah, blah, blah..... that's all well and good, but that's only saying that you were a better rider or riding a better modified/tuned bike than the guy on the ZX12R. Being that there are a relatively LOW number of ZX12R's out there in comparison to the Hayabusa's, it's not saying much when you claim to have beaten every 12R you've come across. What does it come out to? 1-3 ZX12R's? It's simply ridiculous. There is a Busa kill story on the 12r forums for every ZX kill story on a busa forum... same with the K5 and 10R guys.....  If you think for even 1 minute that you've got a significant advantage over another person because of what's written on the tailsection of your ride, you're delusional. Only in the world of benchracing do "titles" and "opinions" matter.... in the real world where little things called, "variables" exist.... it's anyone's game.

8. Taking the "word" of a forum member claiming he hit 194mph on a 100% stock busa and prancing around comparing it on the same level of legitamicy of an ECTA certified run at a sanctioned LSR course is so retarded it's beyond my understanding, and that's saying something! It would take a tailwind of BIBLICAL PROPORTIONS to coax a 100% showroom stock Busa to 194mph.

9. Refer back to #1

10. It's good to be back... I'm sure the smack shack has missed it's King.
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: foresteronw on March 19, 2006, 11:22:01 AM
http://www.qsl.net/n5mya/testdata.html
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: gnd111 on March 19, 2006, 01:56:26 PM
8. Taking the "word" of a forum member claiming he hit 194mph on a 100% stock busa and prancing around comparing it on the same level of legitamicy of an ECTA certified run at a sanctioned LSR course is so retarded it's beyond my understanding, and that's saying something!


Kinda like 9/10ths racing legitimacy.......... :lol:
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Phantom13 on March 19, 2006, 03:15:37 PM
8. Taking the "word" of a forum member claiming he hit 194mph on a 100% stock busa and prancing around comparing it on the same level of legitamicy of an ECTA certified run at a sanctioned LSR course is so retarded it's beyond my understanding, and that's saying something!


Kinda like 9/10ths racing legitimacy.......... :lol:

We actually provide witnesses and do our runs in large groups with other forum members present to verify the GPS. As for the 9/10th's legitmacy as a race... it's not a legit race at all, it's a glorified streetrace event that we hold everyweek and that has been held for over a decade in the same semi-organized manner.



Foresteronw- www.angelfire.com/linux/ldrpg


benchracing is fun and all..... but as you can see..... it goes both ways, only the tests quoted on my site are not all complete bullshit from no-name magazines/internet sources.... or from magazines that later retracted their results like the 200mph run.... or from magazines that compare results taken from individual testing done a year apart for each other.

Now if you want to talk about REAL racing.... look at the only true blue 100% stock (unrestricted) class record in the UK. (there is no such class in the US since we allow up to 1350cc). What are the two fastest 100% stock bikes to run in an LSR event in the UK? Yup, ZX12R's... both. Remember, unrestricted and 100% stock.....

But whatever, I'm NOT trying to get reeled into a Busa/12 fight.........

Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: gnd111 on March 19, 2006, 04:12:41 PM
8. Taking the "word" of a forum member claiming he hit 194mph on a 100% stock busa and prancing around comparing it on the same level of legitamicy of an ECTA certified run at a sanctioned LSR course is so retarded it's beyond my understanding, and that's saying something!


Kinda like 9/10ths racing legitimacy.......... :lol:

We actually provide witnesses and do our runs in large groups with other forum members present to verify the GPS. As for the 9/10th's legitmacy as a race... it's not a legit race at all, it's a glorified streetrace event that we hold everyweek and that has been held for over a decade in the same semi-organized manner.


Just reminding you of what you said.... 8)
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Phantom13 on March 19, 2006, 10:51:10 PM
8. Taking the "word" of a forum member claiming he hit 194mph on a 100% stock busa and prancing around comparing it on the same level of legitamicy of an ECTA certified run at a sanctioned LSR course is so retarded it's beyond my understanding, and that's saying something!


Kinda like 9/10ths racing legitimacy.......... :lol:

We actually provide witnesses and do our runs in large groups with other forum members present to verify the GPS. As for the 9/10th's legitmacy as a race... it's not a legit race at all, it's a glorified streetrace event that we hold everyweek and that has been held for over a decade in the same semi-organized manner.


Just reminding you of what you said.... 8)

It's cool, I never claimed the 9/10th's is a "legit" race... it's not sanctioned or anything like that, but we do have it all measured out and use GPS for accuracy, some guys have even bring out radar guns on occassion. Either way, I don't think I've ever compared it to Maxton or Bonn in terms of legitimacy.

Anyway, how's the 1397 running?
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: oilheadron on March 20, 2006, 12:18:39 AM
"What are the two fastest 100% stock bikes to run in an LSR event in the UK? Yup, ZX12R's... both."

(dirty words edited out; I gotta grow up one of these days  :P). Go dig up the results yourself and you'll discover that your daddy FK (which is where you must have gotten these "facts") has been fabricating this nonsense for years now. We've been shooting him down since about the time you got your learner's permit, maybe before.  :wink:

Hmmm...I wonder who the UK Straightliners timekeeper is. It wouldn't be Helen Greathead would it?? As in Martyn and Helen Greathead?? As in FK's hero Martyn Greathead?? Elvington's Martyn Greathead? (Elvington being the singular place on the planet where the ZX-12 isn't fighting headwinds every time it runs against the Busas. :wink:) And guess what ol' Martyn has been riding for years?? That's right, a ZX-12. What a surprise.  8) :beechug:
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: gnd111 on March 20, 2006, 04:11:02 AM
1397 on the bench for exhaust and re-degree.  Looking for consistent 154mph 1/4's now... I hope...
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Phantom13 on March 20, 2006, 02:54:20 PM
1397 on the bench for exhaust and re-degree.  Looking for consistent 154mph 1/4's now... I hope...

154's eh? Big jump from where you were, hope you get that thing tuned and dialed in, 154's is damn fast on motor. I'm happy being in the low 140-142mph range with my big 220lb arse and stock motor/stock gearing/stock arm combo.... I wonder how much a 40 shot would give me in MPH, if I could keep the front down for once!



Oilheadron- The same lights are used for all the bikes that run in each event.... it's not like there's some guy moving the lights closer together everytime a 12r makes a pass! Geez, don't act like such a newbie making excuses out of coinsidences. If the guy working the lights was a Busa guy, you really think the results would be different? Gimme a break man, that's a wish upon a star if I've ever heard one.

Listen, all the guys that run at these events also use GPS on their runs.. if the timing lights were being "fixed" for the 12's and the 12's alone.... someone would have raised the red flag in the Busa camp for sure. That being said, they don't put someone in charge of the timing lights and keep him there if he's rigging the lights. Yeah, he happens to ride a 12r... so what? All you can accuse him of is having amazing taste in motorcycles, not rigging the lights for JUST the 12r's. That's just ridiculous to even suggest, even coming from you, Ron.

When are you going to man up and give the 12r it's due credit instead of just hating on it at every turn? I'm guilty of being bias towards the 12r as everyone knows, but I'll be the first one to praise the busa for what it is..... a fucking monster like the 12r, just a different breed. Tell me, what is it in you that feels the need to grasp so tightly to the "Busa is God and nothing else is within a mile of it" theology?

Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: VPN on March 20, 2006, 04:48:23 PM
Actually it was .15 and 4mph... The MPH won't really show unless on the street in roll on's but the new 1000SS bikes out mph the Busa/12R also.

You mean on a 1/4 mile or top speed or both?
Standard gearing or what?
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: gnd111 on March 20, 2006, 05:41:28 PM
Actually it was .15 and 4mph... The MPH won't really show unless on the street in roll on's but the new 1000SS bikes out mph the Busa/12R also.

You mean on a 1/4 mile or top speed or both?
Standard gearing or what?


1000SS bikes went 157-161 all motor in Valdosta but we did find out the DA that weekend was -500...

I am not sure what part of the thread you got the comment from...
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: gnd111 on March 20, 2006, 05:42:30 PM
those results dont really say much at all?

so a drag racer did runs on two stock sport touring bikes? wht does that tell you? they are basically equal at drag racing and one bike is slightly quicker?

posting drag racing results for these two bikes then saying one can still contend with the other is like saying you can use horse shit as an explosive, sure it works but horse shit is better used as a fertilizer....  :roll:

neither bike was designed for drag racing, they are both sport touring bikes, lets see them tested for their intended use, if you dont know how thats done, I can handle it...  :wink:

WHAT? 2/10's and 3 to 4 mph is a huge difference.

Actually it was .15 and 4mph...  The MPH won't really show unless on the street in roll on's but the new 1000SS bikes out mph the Busa/12R also.  Remember also that Shine went 9.50 on a stock Busa as well... 

Here you go VPN - read the whole thing...
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: FearsomeKawasaki on March 21, 2006, 05:21:41 AM


I can't believe what Oilahedron just wrote.

Martyn Greathead is one of the many organisers of Straightliners. He is NEVER the timekeeper as he always races! The speeds are recorded on certified timing lights and sent back to the caravan computer by several people who work for Straightliners itself, which is owned and run by someone else.

The other event that the 12R holds the stock record id the 200mph event, which is run by Egg who is a Busa nut being an owner himself and my arch fucking rival for many a day.


You really are getting sad Oilheadron. Both events have certified lights and rely on their accuracy and fairness, otherwise they're out of work!

Knob.

 :bigfu:
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: EtrnlSoldier on March 21, 2006, 12:48:37 PM


I can't believe what Oilahedron just wrote.

Martyn Greathead is one of the many organisers of Straightliners. He is NEVER the timekeeper as he always races! The speeds are recorded on certified timing lights and sent back to the caravan computer by several people who work for Straightliners itself, which is owned and run by someone else.

The other event that the 12R holds the stock record id the 200mph event, which is run by Egg who is a Busa nut being an owner himself and my arch fucking rival for many a day.


You really are getting sad Oilheadron. Both events have certified lights and rely on their accuracy and fairness, otherwise they're out of work!

Knob.

 :bigfu:


Have you taken the time to notice that this is a Hayabusa forum and not a ZX12 forum?  Trolls who go into other boards to stir the pot are pathetic.  Yes this means you.

The ZX12 is a great bike but you sir, are a crybaby.
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: FearsomeKawasaki on March 21, 2006, 01:33:23 PM
 :roll:

Oilawanktron made an accusation specifically relating to an event I frequent. It is entirely appropriate to respond to the utter bullshit he spouted as he, and you, know fuck all about the event.

Now go sniff some more cock cheese.

 :bigfu:

Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Twisted on March 21, 2006, 03:08:06 PM
did you purchase a mighty ZX-14 yet james er what? I was out in the twisties spankin the dog fur off a 12 yesterday with a itty bitty little litrebike, it was freekin hilarious...  :lmao:
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: oilheadron on March 21, 2006, 04:12:22 PM
Keep it up FK, you know that we know that you were spraying your bike when you shouldn't have been. Naughty boy, you remember, you were always on here bragging about Martyn getting on your "stock" bike and beating Busas by 10-20 mph, then you blew it up on the spray later the same season ( just"testing", of course) and then after that the monster mph came to a sudden stop for some strange reason.  :wink: Let it go or we'll pull out a bunch of your old quotes and make you look even worse.  :yes:
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: EtrnlSoldier on March 22, 2006, 02:59:16 AM
:roll:

Oilawanktron made an accusation specifically relating to an event I frequent. It is entirely appropriate to respond to the utter bullshit he spouted as he, and you, know fuck all about the event.

Now go sniff some more cock cheese.

 :bigfu:



Thanks for making my point you worthless piece of crap.
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: FearsomeKawasaki on March 22, 2006, 07:44:19 AM
Keep it up FK, you know that we know that you were spraying your bike when you shouldn't have been. Naughty boy, you remember, you were always on here bragging about Martyn getting on your "stock" bike and beating Busas by 10-20 mph, then you blew it up on the spray later the same season ( just"testing", of course) and then after that the monster mph came to a sudden stop for some strange reason.  :wink: Let it go or we'll pull out a bunch of your old quotes and make you look even worse.  :yes:


You utter vomitbag of a human being Oilawanktron.

Martyn Greathead has NEVER ridden that bike. I have spoken to the bloke maybe twice you dipshit!

The man you are referring to is Mr Lucky from Labusas and 200mph who broke both the 1/4 record and top speed record for a stock motor bike at Elvington that he held for four years until other 12Rs took the top speed one from him.

The nitrous went on in December 2001, after all this happened at DSD you moron. The guy who did it is a Busa nut like yourself and is mates with Pooh so the truth is out there if you want it you sperm globule. It melted first run on the dyno and never ran with nitrous as it was turboed immediately after as we had to go into the engine anyway.

That rumour of nitrous was started by a guy called Maverick from 200mph and only dung beatles like your good self keep spouting that shit out.

Now go fuck a goat.
 :bigfu:
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: gnd111 on March 22, 2006, 08:03:19 AM
Actually FK.  Calling us Wankers is like calling a white person honky - it doesn't matter OR offend.

And goat fucking is a very popular sport in UK/Scotland - or so history would have us to believe...
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: oilheadron on March 22, 2006, 04:54:55 PM
Notice that this limpdick still hasn't explained how a ZX-12 can run 10-20 mph faster than a Busa?? And he never will, because they didn't, don't, won't, and never will. Not without cheating or some wildly unequal setup. Lying scumbag. I detest cheaters.
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Phantom13 on March 22, 2006, 06:20:07 PM
Notice that this limpdick still hasn't explained how a ZX-12 can run 10-20 mph faster than a Busa?? And he never will, because they didn't, don't, won't, and never will. Not without cheating or some wildly unequal setup. Lying scumbag. I detest cheaters.

Answer=Rider


I've seen a guy on a piped busa run 170mph in the 9/10th's.... then ICEMAN jumps on and tags the limiter HARD at 184mph in 7/10th's on the same bike.


On a side note, I find it hilarious how Oilheadron is so quick to believe anything he "likes to hear", regardless of the contradicting facts or how ridiculous it may be. Ignorance is Bliss, eh?

So let's see.... that's not one, but TWO accusations that FEARSOME KAWASAKI make you eat crow on..... Going for the hat trick, Ron?

I love reading posts that make you look clueless.....in other words, all of them.
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Twisted on March 22, 2006, 07:24:49 PM

Now go fuck a goat.
 :bigfu:

but thats your job?
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: oilheadron on March 22, 2006, 09:39:34 PM
I'll run ANYBODY ON THE PLANET in a fair 9/10 race (starting from a roll at any speed the '12 rider chooses; it won't matter). Me on a NEW showroom stock Busa, the loser on a NEW showroom stock '12. No cheating, no pink slips bullshit, no special prep on either bike. The '12 loser can even choose BOTH model years. Won't make any difference. The Busa will win, the '12 will lose. Been there, done that, got the t-shirt. Many, many times over. For about 6 years. :twisted:

P.S. All I ask is that the '12 rider/loser weigh within 10lb of me either way. Naah...make it 20 lb. Won't make any difference. (I weigh about 182, will a 20 lb spread be enough to cover your baby fat p12? I'd hate for a fat ass punk to have an excuse for losing.)

Double P.S. We'll figure out a way to make the loser (whoever it is  :roll:) to end up paying for both bikes, or lose both of them, or whatever. I can afford it, but I don't have to worry about losing anyway.

Faintcum12, I'm not some girl who runs the same bike a bunch of mph slower than a REAL rider does. Count on it kid. I'll be glad to demonstrate who's clueless and who isn't.  :twisted: Am I a great rider? Probably not. Do I have to be in this case? Fuck no. You lose.
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Gixxer1300r on March 22, 2006, 09:47:29 PM
well now that thats done we will let the aftermarket decide WHO is king
cause last time i checked not many people are leaving their bikes stock

I agree, Right now in my book it is the busa, unless anyone knows of a 500hp street driven 14r :D
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: ZXLNT on March 23, 2006, 12:02:21 AM
Right now there aren't even any fucking ZX14's in the publics hands, so thats kind of mute point dont ya think....
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: oilheadron on March 23, 2006, 12:10:15 AM
It could prove to be a moot point, not likely a mute one.
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Twisted on March 23, 2006, 01:33:02 AM
my money says the 2006 zx10 gets to the speed restriction from a 70mph roll quicker than a 2006 zx14....

and the ONLY catagory the 14 comes on top over the busa is in the quarter mile all stock, the busa will still be the most comfortable sportbike on the road due to the fact its isolated, the busa will handle better(when set up by someone that knows WTF they are doing not some wank).... and my money says suzuki will sell more busas than kawasaki sells 14s in 2006...  :wink:
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: VPN on March 23, 2006, 03:27:47 AM
I'll run ANYBODY ON THE PLANET in a fair 9/10 race (starting from a roll at any speed the '12 rider chooses; it won't matter). Me on a NEW showroom stock Busa, the loser on a NEW showroom stock '12. No cheating, no pink slips bullshit, no special prep on either bike. The '12 loser can even choose BOTH model years. Won't make any difference. The Busa will win, the '12 will lose. Been there, done that, got the t-shirt. Many, many times over. For about 6 years. :twisted:

P.S. All I ask is that the '12 rider/loser weigh within 10lb of me either way. Naah...make it 20 lb. Won't make any difference. (I weigh about 182, will a 20 lb spread be enough to cover your baby fat p12? I'd hate for a fat ass punk to have an excuse for losing.)
Yeah!
BUT
how about racing the ZX-14 ???

Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: ZXLNT on March 23, 2006, 06:29:53 AM
It could prove to be a moot point, not likely a mute one.



You an english teacher too???
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Busa@11K on March 23, 2006, 01:42:03 PM
... and my money says suzuki will sell more busas than kawasaki sells 14s in 2006...  :wink:

Probably not since the ZX14 is something new and the Busa isn't for 06.
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Twisted on March 23, 2006, 03:35:05 PM
... and my money says suzuki will sell more busas than kawasaki sells 14s in 2006...  :wink:

Probably not since the ZX14 is something new and the Busa isn't for 06.

busa isnt as ugly and suuki got a jump start, lots of people in other countries want a pure sport touring bike, not a jack of all trades master of none...  :wink:


(http://www.pjsinnam.com/VN_History/Images/Jack%20of%20all%20trades%20(3).jpg)
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Phantom13 on March 24, 2006, 05:30:10 AM
I'll run ANYBODY ON THE PLANET in a fair 9/10 race (starting from a roll at any speed the '12 rider chooses; it won't matter). Me on a NEW showroom stock Busa, the loser on a NEW showroom stock '12. No cheating, no pink slips bullshit, no special prep on either bike. The '12 loser can even choose BOTH model years. Won't make any difference. The Busa will win, the '12 will lose. Been there, done that, got the t-shirt. Many, many times over. For about 6 years. :twisted:

P.S. All I ask is that the '12 rider/loser weigh within 10lb of me either way. Naah...make it 20 lb. Won't make any difference. (I weigh about 182, will a 20 lb spread be enough to cover your baby fat p12? I'd hate for a fat ass punk to have an excuse for losing.)

Double P.S. We'll figure out a way to make the loser (whoever it is  :roll:) to end up paying for both bikes, or lose both of them, or whatever. I can afford it, but I don't have to worry about losing anyway.

Faintcum12, I'm not some girl who runs the same bike a bunch of mph slower than a REAL rider does. Count on it kid. I'll be glad to demonstrate who's clueless and who isn't.  :twisted: Am I a great rider? Probably not. Do I have to be in this case? Fuck no. You lose.



Oh so you want to race for $20,000? I mean, that's what it would cost for both bikes off the showroom floor... if not more. I love how you will only make a challenge when the stakes are ridiculous, but you run and hide like a woman when I ask you to race me for a measely $500 (basically travel cost). What's wrong, Ron? Can't throw down for a race when you know I'll agree to it? In poker, we call this "Buying the Pot". It's a chickenshit way of getting the other guy to fold.

I'm not about to buy or find someone with a 100% bone stock ZX12R (next to impossible) just to prove a point to you. If you want to race a ZX12R, I'll gladly meet you with MY ZX12R in Gainesville for a 1 mile STANDING START race. Of course, loser coughs up $500 to cover travel expenses for the winner. Basically, this is the same offer you agreed to about a year back, but got cold feet come race time. I'm a whopping 30 pounds heavier than you too....

Bring that sorry ass Yellow Busa and we'll make this happen. You can personally inspect my bike for any nitrous/turbo/jetpack/kanooter valve/transflux capacitor/whatever.

But if you think I'm going to risk dishing out $20,000 (that I don't have), you're sadly mistaken and I'm 100% certain nobody else on this forum would do it either.... regardless of what bike they were on. You may as well make the race for $1,000,000,000,000.

So you go ahead and "buy the pot", Ron.... because that's the ONLY way you're going to save yourself the embarrassment. Lemme know when you're willing to run a more REASONABLE race against ME and MY 12.
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Twisted on March 24, 2006, 02:29:02 PM
that race has already happened, well a stock busa against a muzzy piped 12, 1 mile roll, busa won, busa won in the twisties, busa won in comfort, busa won in fuel consuption and price paid for the fuel, busa won in the "spark plug change race" busa won in the "engine drop race", busa had younger better looking women on it, in fact the only category the 12 won was the "goat haul" category, the busa hauls 0 goats, meanwhile the 12 can haul as many as 2 at a time...   :wink:
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Fastturbobusa on March 24, 2006, 02:52:43 PM
   GND111 I was wondering how they made those stock 1000's run those numbers.

Fastturbobusa
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Phantom13 on March 24, 2006, 03:26:47 PM
that race has already happened, well a stock busa against a muzzy piped 12, 1 mile roll, busa won, busa won in the twisties, busa won in comfort, busa won in fuel consuption and price paid for the fuel, busa won in the "spark plug change race" busa won in the "engine drop race", busa had younger better looking women on it, in fact the only category the 12 won was the "goat haul" category, the busa hauls 0 goats, meanwhile the 12 can haul as many as 2 at a time...   :wink:

That's actually pretty funny!  :D
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: VPN on March 25, 2006, 04:39:23 AM
that race has already happened, well a stock ZX-14 against a piped Busa, 1 mile roll, 14 won, 14 won in the twisties, 14 won in comfort, 14 won in fuel consuption and price paid for the fuel, busa won in the "spark plug change race" busa won in the "engine drop race", busa had younger better looking women on it, in fact the only category the 12 won was the "goat haul" category, the busa hauls 0 goats, meanwhile the 12 can haul as many as 2 at a time... :wink:
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that race has already happened, well a stock busa against a muzzy piped 12, 1 mile roll, busa won, busa won in the twisties, busa won in comfort, busa won in fuel consuption and price paid for the fuel, busa won in the "spark plug change race" busa won in the "engine drop race", busa had younger better looking women on it, in fact the only category the 12 won was the "goat haul" category, the busa hauls 0 goats, meanwhile the 12 can haul as many as 2 at a time...   :wink:

That's actually pretty funny! :D

How funny it will be when the same test includes the ZX-14
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Phantom13 on March 25, 2006, 08:53:21 AM
Although the mentioned "test" is purely comedic in nature, I'm positive there will be a test in the very near future with the 3 big dogs duking it out.

Yes, the ZX-12R and Hayabusa are both extremely capable machines in their own right and can easily be brought up to the 175rwhp level of a stock ZX14/ZZR1400.... I'm quite convinced Kawasaki got it right this time and decided to CLEARLY put out a uncontested King, where as with the 12R... it was highly debatable and still is to this day, even after over 5 years of internet squabbling and a plethora of magazine tests that can't seem to form any sort of consistancy with each other.

To be honest, I'm glad Kawasaki decided to make a few compromises with the 14 in terms of styling for aero's, wet weight for fuel range, displacement for rpm, etc.. Things that may take away from the raw aggressive look/feel of it's predecessor, the ZX12R...... but will make the 14 more practical along with the brute power to lead the pack.

I'm hoping to see an indepth comparison of ALL aspects of these three bikes...

Braking
Cornering
Accelleration (1/4 mile and first one to 186mph)
Suspension
Comfort
Styling
Fuel Consumption
Power
Refinement
Track times
Stability
Fun Factor


It would be interesting to see how they all stack up to each other in all these different categories. Us as consumers have different expectations and we value different areas of performance more than others.
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: kwackhead on March 25, 2006, 09:01:37 AM
my money says the 2006 zx10 gets to the speed restriction from a 70mph roll quicker than a 2006 zx14....

First off ZX10's are not restricted, factory gearing will only allow 184-186mph at red line in 6th, so no need for a restrictor.
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: gnd111 on March 25, 2006, 09:18:29 AM
P12 - a buch of us will be at Mooroso on Fri - come join the fun.... 8)
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Phantom13 on March 25, 2006, 09:57:45 AM
Sounds like fun, I'll try and make it.... unfortunately, the 12r is currently "under construction"... so you'll have to run my 2005 F-150 4.2 V6 5 speed..... Maybe she'll run 22's in the 1/4? lol




Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: gnd111 on March 25, 2006, 12:35:05 PM
How did i know you had a Ford.... :lol:

My 5.3 Silvy's got ya covered.........  :P
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: Phantom13 on March 25, 2006, 06:09:27 PM
You don't understand though.... I got a T.R.E.

Does 220mph now.
Title: Re: BUSA vs. ZX14 - what does 50cc's?
Post by: gnd111 on March 25, 2006, 06:13:29 PM
 :lol: