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GENERAL => BIKE TALK => Topic started by: Lofty on February 17, 2006, 06:31:48 PM
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Their fabrication and design suck as well.
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I like the powder coated, looks nice :D
You ever going to get back into the Busas again Lofty? You had one of the nicest :D
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Lofty .... Ya know I'm good with you ... One of the few I'd break bread with ... You know that my Bro!!!
I'll just say this
I wish that weld-quality were retro-active .......... Fair enough ???? .... or the concern for the weld quality of the past were a huge concern
All good my brotha ... I know where ya come from .... Next beer is on me ... But ... I'm gonna have to disagree .... and YES , I have a biased opinion
NOONE !!! threw a bigger budget ... Noone left at the alter as much other than you
Just my 2 cents my brotha ... Next beer on me
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:)
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Ya know ... The more I dwell .. The more unpleased I am
I really am .... I have a problem with aircraft tape in my plenum ... I have a problem with my fuel rail hanging on by a toe nail ... I have a problem with my wastegate blowing off .... and i have a BIG BIG problem with a generic "Send it back and I'll fix it" ... I like Barry ... I do ... Has been nothing short of hospitable towards me ... but my line in the sand is here my Bro .... and here it shall stand ... and i have BIG BIG problem flying a flag and watching the cavalry marching the other direction leaving me all alone
Sorry Jeff .... That door was cracked open a hair
I'm all ears
It's was nice to hear from MH ... "What do ya want, what do ya need , and how can I help" ... That spoke volumes
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and ..... I GOT A BIG FUCKING PROBLEM WITH CREW THAT ASSEMBLED MY FUCKING BIKE KNOWING IT
I left a BLANK MOTHER FUCKING CHECK DOWN THERE ... DIDN'T GIVE A FUCK !!!!!!!!!!!! WHAT IT COST .... and I STILL ate the gremilns
I AM MORE than dis-pleased ... Jeff ... Divorce yourself from my comments my Brotha ... You got an A1 in my book
But you'd think when you're a told .... I DON'T GIVE A FUCK WHAT IT COST OR WHAT IT TAKES OR HOW LONG .... you'd get the whole enchilada
Yeah ... I have had a glass or 2 or Crown Reserve tonight ... BUT I AM FUCKING PISSED ...
All that effort ...
HOWEVER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Had it not happened ... I would not have run into Seb & MH on a 1-on-1 level .. and I could not be more pleased ... THANK GOD for their efforts
I shall never post on this thread again
I have vented all that I currently need to vent
OH ... I got a BIG FUCKING PROBLEM with a stock head gasket on a 2mm over piston kit ... BIG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My bridges are now burned ... My back is turned
Anyone that wants a piece of that ... open the fucking Padora's box that even Shakespear would pass on .. Cuz my receipts and Thesaurus are ready
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Kinda looks like a Trac to me? :?
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Kinda looks like a Trac to me? :?
ya but trac doesnt have inner braced tubes
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Web site please.
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Rob, relax buddy. My post topic was not aimed at you.
In all fairness though, many of the problems of which you speak were problems with Kevin and the way your bike was put together, not Velocity. You wouldnt have found any of those problems on my bike, that much I can tell you. Did Velocity have a period when some of the fab work coming out of the shop was below par.......I would be less than honest if I said no.
I think that you can see by these pictures, those days are past. You simply will not find an extended arm of higher quality.
If youre happy with the route you've chosen, god bless you and the best of luck, you deserve it.
Besides, I was just commenting on their new line of swing arms....nothing else.
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Are they fabbing the arm totally in house?
Like was said.
It sure looks like a Trac.
Looks good.
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Yeah, the arm is totally theirs. The bars of aluminum stock are extruded somewhere else, the ends and fittings are CNC'ed somewhere else.....but all fab work is done in house.
It looks like a Trac, but thats where the similarity ends.
You wont see any clubfoot on any of these arms. That was a band aid to fix the fact that they weren't rigid enough in the first place. The internal ribbing on this design keeps the arm so rigid, it will not flex. Plus the external bracing on a Trac arm is a waste of aluminum tubing.....it does nothing but look like it makes your arm stronger. The bracing needs to go all the way to the front pivot point or the arm will just flex ahead of the bracing.
That plus the fact that the wait time on one of these will be considerably less and from what I hear, the price break will be much better. Trac has had the industry over the barrel for awhile....not anymore.
Rob, one other thing. Your situation leads people to believe that you were dealing with Velocity primarily. The fact is that Kevin built your bike. Kevin is not Velocity. You truely were not a Velocity customer. Kevins a nice guy that runs his shop out of a two car garage. He's not a fabricator, welder or even a bike builder. That blank check you wrote had Superkaos on it, not Velocity.
Most of the money spent on your bike was wheels, front end parts (which you could have paid off my house with :lol: ) engine parts and building and the price Kevin charged you to build the bike. Your dealings with Velocity ended after you bought the turbo system. Im not excusing any shoddy work, craftsmanship or welding regarding the turbo system itself, Im just saying that the overwhelmingly large portion of your expense account and the ultimate responsibility for the finished product of your bike, was on Kevin and Superkaos Performance.
Again brotha, you know we cool........ 8)
BTW, stop fucking around and put a fucking Motec on that bitch. Your bike is totally insane and it deserves nothing less than state of the art electronics!!!!
Get rid of that damn factory box!!
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I understand that much of the work on Rob's bike was done by SK.
But was the kit not produced by Velocity? I'm sure Kevin did not put aircraft tape in the plenum, or do the welding on the header, etc.
Anybody interested in "Spelunking" inside one of their headers? :shock:
Not talking about the performance of the kits, just the quality of some of the fabrication. Maybe it's better now, maybe he's got somebody totally different than before doing his stuff...
So are these new arms going to be run on all the Velocity bikes this year?
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Is SK is still an authorized Velocity dealer/installer?
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Blackhawk......aircraft tape on the plenum?
Aside from Barrys employees and himself, no one has spent as much time inside Velocitys shop as I have and Ive never seen aircraft tape on any bike that left there. I know mine didnt have any. What was it doing on his plenum?
I understand that much of the work on Rob's bike was done by SK.
No, ALL of the work on Robs bike was done by Kevin in his garage. Velocity never worked on that bike.
As far as weld quality, I cant argue with you there. I love Barry like a brother but its true, there was a brief period when the welds coming out of Velocity left something to be desired. As far as Robs header cracking, it very well may have been from some sub quality welds. However, like I told Rob, I saw with my own eyes a header sold to Barry by Seb, that I believe came from NLR Sweden or MCxpress, crack at the turbo and leave the entire turbo hanging in front of the bike. The only thing holding the turbo on was the plenum tube and the oil line.
My point is, sometimes that shit happens. It shouldnt, but it does and it does to everyone.
That being said, I think its obvious by looking at those pictures that the welding issue has been solved and yes, its being done by someone different.
As far as the swingarms, I cant imagine Barry running someone elses arm from now on.
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Nice looking arms.
If they in fact increase the rigidty of the arm with the subtle design changes from a Trac arm, and could eliminate the need for a club-foot design.
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Ya know ... The more I dwell .. The more unpleased I am
I really am .... I have a problem with aircraft tape in my plenum ... I have a problem with my fuel rail hanging on by a toe nail ... I have a problem with my wastegate blowing off .... and i have a BIG BIG problem with a generic "Send it back and I'll fix it"
Did I read that wrong? I thought not...
And the pictures were none too pretty. For a moment, I thought CSI might have to be called in, to do a complete investigation. :?
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That's becuase he said it was IN the plenum Jeff, not ON the plenum.
Maybe that's why you never saw it?
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I dont know.
Ive watched their plenums being fabbed up. Ive never seen aircraft tape being used. I cant imagine what it was there for. I cant imagine Barry doing it for any reason.
Waht purpose was it serving?
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Macintosh arms dont flex...mirror image ran their chromoly arm over 200mph and now they are running his alumipro arm. Which I personally think are the baddest arms available. He has more proven arms and has been doinig this longer than anyone! You can see where Barry has braced his arms like Macintosh
The aircraft tape was used to plug some holes that were next to the tapped holes for the straps....like maybe a rivet or something was in there on both sides, on the outside.
Macintosh alumi pro arm- 1375.00
Velocity arm-1530.00 (155.00 more )
same exact things except the mac arm comes with a roller for the chain.
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I dont know.
Ive watched their plenums being fabbed up. Ive never seen aircraft tape being used. I cant imagine what it was there for. I cant imagine Barry doing it for any reason.
Waht purpose was it serving?
Maybe Barry can answer that question? Maybe it was to prevent any leaks? Not my stuff, so I don't know...
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There was nothing wrong with the welding on my header and it had no spelunking in it.........I ground it out and polished the inside of the header myself. 8)
(http://images5.fotki.com/v52/photos/2/25033/168368/DSC01668-vi.jpg)
The only thing I wasnt happy with regarding my kit was the fuel rail.
This is the one that was on it. I felt it was rather cheap considering everything else on my bike was state of the art.
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Thats why I went with one of Sebs rails, it is one of the nicest pieces of billet on the market.
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The rest of the kit was top notch and the bike performed flawlessly once we got the issue with the crank trigger sorted out.
I can promise you, there was no aircraft tape anywhere near that plenum.
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I miss that bitch. :no:
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I bet you do... Time for another?
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"I can promise you, there was no aircraft tape anywhere near that plenum"
yours our Robs?
Robs plenum was the billet back section and welded front.
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Jeff ... I will NEVER EVER EVER get tired of seeing your bike ... I absolutely love it ... As I have stated NUMEROUS times ... 1 of my all time top 3 bikes EVER
I'm a tad more "sober" now ... Yes the build was done by Kevin .... No, I was not a "Velocity" customer ..... but man ..... I asked and begged and pleaded with all involved to get it right .... not get it done good enough
There were some big gremlins that jumped out when we took my bike apart ... which I don't think anyone involved in buliding mine ever expected that to happen did ya ....
It's a bitch ... cuz I like Barry ... I do ... But shit, why would he or Kevin let my bike roll out with that crap hiding under the skin ... and again .... it's not like I said "guys, I only have so much $$ so can ya cut some corners" ... but bro .... remember your old customers too ... We're still here
I agree Jeff, I have clouded the line between Barry & Kevin, but as someone who really REALLY promoted both ... i don't know ... I guess I thought I would get a "how's it goin" or "cool article ... maybe we can really make this super cool" or maybe "Hey ... we've really improved how bout we take a peek at what we can do" ... or "Damn Rob, you only spent $123,398,675,876,452,098 on the bike lets make sure this bitch is tight"
Even though I have dealt with that crew for years it's hard not to assume one is the other sometimes
BUT .... although it is one of the smallest gremlins we found ... I HAVE A MAJOR GIGANTIC HUGE F**KING PROBLEM with the BONE F**KING stock head gasket we found on my 2mm kit ,.... and NO that has ABSOLUTELY ZERO to do with Barry
So Velocity ... guys ... could ya not have done me a little better ... come on ... damn ... I even made own Velo stickers out of pride for what I assumed I had for that article... I know I may seem like a "whiner" right now ... but Barry would have to admit I NEVER complained or bitched ... I always stayed positive ..... I just a tad aggravated right now
SK ... :evil: ... another day
THAT BEING SAID .... Great lookin arms .... I'll stick with my McIntosh ... but nice lookin work ...
Sorry to thread-jack ya Jeff
Jeff, when Seb & MH etc get this bitch done ... and it is going to be OFF THE HEEZY ... I'm throwin ya the keys ... You need a BIG BIG glass of BOOST my boy
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Boy ... I would have really liked to see that MOFO with some pretty Marvics on it . .... hehehehehe
Just love lookin at it
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I agree, one of the best lookin bikes...even if it was Jeffs....LOL
Dave
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You better HAND him those keys, or else I'm liable to intercept them in the air.
zoom zoom
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1) Beautiful bike
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Boy ... I would have really liked to see that MOFO with some pretty Marvics on it . .... hehehehehe
Just love lookin at it
That is a sweet bike. I've seen that bike on the org several times but I still love it.
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Rob, you've obviously got legitamite gripes. With the money you dumped into your bike, I would want it absolutley perfect and would not have settled for less.
The headgasket issue is inexcusable. I cant even imagine finding that.
Again, I know you know, but for the people reading that dont know, no one from Velocity ever turned a single screw on that bike, including Barry. Barry sold Kevin the turbo system, thats it.
As far as the plenum issue, Seb....I meant my plenum pictured on my bike not having tape inside it. The plenum on Robs bike was a two piece design. The back half was CNC'ed I believe by Trevor Altman, the rest was fabbed at Barrys shop and welded up there. All I can say is that there is no aircraft (or any other kinda tape) used in the production of one of Barrys plenums. If that was inside the plenum, it was added after it left Barrys shop.
Rob, as far as your bike....you have to remember that at the time your bike was being finished, Barry was going through a lot. He was trying to keep his foot attached to the rest of his leg, he was in the middle of his racing season, hes trying to run his shop from a wheel chair and win his racing season, he's building race bikes, tuning and providing tech support to his customers.......its like juggling 25 balls with one hand tied behind your back.
Aside from that, hows he supposed to check the final build quality of your bike anyways? He cant take it from Kevins shop and accuse him of doing shitty work and go over it himself with a fine tooth comb. You and your bike was Kevins responsibility. For him to intervene would be like fuckin another mans wife.
Anyways, Im glad you got things going in the right direction. Seb will definately do you right.....his attention to detail is seconded only by my own.
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Seb, convince that boy to put some real electronics on that bike!!
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Boy ... I would have really liked to see that MOFO with some pretty Marvics on it . .... hehehehehe
Just love lookin at it
this is the only picture I have of it with the Marvics on it.
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almost as as good as my mac
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Let me start by saying that I normally do not get involved with the ramblings of all of the engineers on discussion boards but I have a little knowledge on this subject so I will put in my 2 cents. I have worked in the aerospace industry and hold certs for Alum. Stainless and Steel. Let me also say up front have been thouroughly screwed by Dave Earl at Trac but now find myself defending him because I have a little first hand knowledge on the machine Dave is using to weld with.
Here is what I see with these Velocity arms in comparison with a Trac. arm (I have not seen a Mcintosh). First with the simple point that a part in whole is only as strong as it's weekest link(the weld). The weld in the picture of the unfinished axle block is convex at the top because the weld is cold. It then becomes concave at the end because the heat has increased at the end an the weld penetration is greater. I am very familiar with the tig machine that Dave is using as I own one. The price of this machine keeps most from purchasing one. It is also no longer available. Miller has a replacement for this machine but no comparison. If you look at a weld on a Trac arm the bead width and height stays consistant because this welding machine without getting into how, allows for greater penetration with less heat, another benefit when welding heat treated material (another issue in itself). Second the two webs in the extrusion are fine but the I am guessing one inch that the inserts into the extrusion..... ? You would gain greater strength by having the insert length three inches(this is a leverage issue) and getting rid of a web. This extra web is irrelevant in the bend area because these webs are cut completely through.Thirdly as for the comment about the gussets being useless. The comment is more useless. Not even worth arguing. In closing this seems to be more of the same from Velocity. More hype and salesmanship than quality. I am chiming in because I find It amusing that hype and bs sell more than quality common sense. Compare NLR products such as their intake plenum, fuel rail,and not to mention boost controller and dry sump to anything that Velocity has to offer. Same with this swingarm deal. If anyone would like to challenge this I can arrange for a stress test to be done on a Trac arm and the Velocity arm. I am willing to bet the Velocity arm will break before the Trac. arm due to weld quality.(Weekest link)
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youre wrong about the weakest link. generally the weld is stronger than the base metal.
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Well if you deal with Trac, do me a favor.....tell him to give me my four inch over black powder coated arm that he has had for almost two years. I sent it back to him two years ago this march for a re-weld in an area and Ive never seen it again.
I cant even get him on the phone to explain what ever happened to my arm in the first place.
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Well if you deal with Trac, do me a favor.....tell him to give me my four inch over black powder coated arm that he has had for almost two years. I sent it back to him two years ago this march for a re-weld in an area and Ive never seen it again.
I cant even get him on the phone to explain what ever happened to my arm in the first place.
ya that shit the worst part
everyone takes way way too long for anything
especially swingarms
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Here. For just for you I will be more specific. It is true that a weld in general if proper filler material is used is stronger than the material itself. The reason for this is that the filler material is designed to cool after welding to the condition of the material being welded. The problem becomes that the material around the weld is no longer at for example t-6 condition due to the heat applied. Back to my original statement that due to the machine that Dave uses. Lower heat, more penetration altering the condition of the base material less. Saying that the weld cracked is a general term. Its simple. Lets twist a Trac arm and a Velocity arm and see whose breaks (at the weld first) and we can save all of this typing and bs. Why talk about it. Just more bs!
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HSLD, obviously you have some stake in this to some degree. You've never posted on this board until now, your credibility is suspect at best.
Secondly, forget about breaking....if you apply enough force to anything it will break. If one of Velocity's arms breaks at the weld, its more a testament to the material they are using. A Trac arm will bend before breaking the weld.
Take a Trac and a Velocity arm and see which one starts to flex and bend first.
As far as wether or not the external bracing works on a Trac arm....if it did, why was it neccesary for Barry to have Trac make a clubfoot for his arm? The bracing doesnt go all the way to the front pivot point, the arm just flex's at the pivot point from the frame back to the bracing. The pivot point is where it gets most of its stress.
Mac and Velocity arms have bracing that goes all the way to the front pivot, increasing the rigidity of the arm.
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Lofty, are they still in the midst of designing this one? Or is it an option for the bracing? I see one arm with none, and this one on their site, but the bracing is different :?
(http://www.velocityracing.com/2006/images/swingarms/VRArm011_lrg.jpg)
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Lofty, I will answer each with my last post and then let you and Velocity continue the bs. How you have time between working on that engineering degree at night while working at that testing facility during the day. I know thats what you are doing for a living based on the claims you have made in respect to these tested velocity arms.
Now to answer your last post to me. Your right as to my being suspect at best. Kosman,Trebble or Stoffer (I have done a little work for them) will all tell you that. My stake is simply that I know a few people here and there and hear a few things from time to time like how Barry was going to be tuning for everyone in PS/BIke. Thats going well I hear. More bs. I definitely do not have any contact with Dave Earll. Mater of fact your little swingarm issue cost wise just doesn't measure up to the screwing I have gotten from Dave.
Second as to your statement about those wonderfull tubes that attach to the pivot tube that are going to keep that arm from bending. Well I guess any structure added will help but since the force that theoretically bends the arm is caused by the force of the motor yanking the chain, the arm will bend to the left side of the bike where there is the least support(others have actually tested this).Where this bending would take place is in the area that Trac has gussets for support This Velocity arm has no support in the area where the bending will occur. Nothing in between the cross tube support and the rear axle.That being said if you think that this approach is better than a clubfoot design and gussets I guess there is no use in trying to convince you. You got me on all accounts.
Again in closing if you would like to test that arm and your claims let me know. My only intrest and or stake as you put it is giving people what they pay for and a little less bs. No need responding to my post unless you would like to prove your claims. A little less talk and theory and little more proof may be in order.
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I HAVE A MAJOR GIGANTIC HUGE F**KING PROBLEM with the BONE F**KING stock head gasket we found on my 2mm kit
THAT IS JUST WRONG :shock: I AM SURE YOU WILL HAVE SEB TEAR THE ENGINE COMPLETELY APART AND SEE WHAT ELSE IS F---ED UP..
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like pictured here
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Wow thats alot of stiching.....
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Rob, :wink: :lol: Keep it cool man.What goes around will come around soon :wink:
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Is SK is still an authorized Velocity dealer/installer?
Yea , For now :lol: Speaks volumes about Barry and his character dont it .. Superkunt Got the big website going makin out like theres some big buissness on the phone and on the web then ya find out thousands later ya got some Bullshit artist workin outta his home garage that dont know which end of a screwdriver to use and then really in his heart he belives he is just gonna walk off from it all with no repercussions...Bary has this kinda guy reresent him??? to me thats just part of the con .I always dopped off my bike at Barrys and picked it up there.So they both knew about my bike and the 4 motors and the turbo kit that was faulty from velocity as well as the motors from Kevin.
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Dude, pull your tampon out and replace it. Im not gonna get into a whiney bitch fest with you. I dont have to prove anything to you.
Common sense will tell you that the material being used on the Velocity arm is better. Their tubing has twice the amount of lateral material which is going to be much harder to bend than standard square tube.
(http://www.psychobike.com/albums/Franks/vrs.jpg)
Secondly, Velocity arms offer added gussets at the cross joint, so your argument doesnt hold water there either.
(http://www.psychobike.com/albums/Franks/black.jpg)
Lastly, we'll see how many winning bikes this year run Trac arms and how many run Velocity arms. You can talk smack all you want but in the end all that matters is which product is crossing the finish line first.
You care to put your money where your mouth is?
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LOL LOFTY THE GUSSET ITS IN THE WRONG SPOT ON THE ARM
AND THIS IS FUNDAMENTAL CHASIS DESIGN 101
SEE HIS GUSSET IS NON SUPPORTING TO THE AREA BENT AND CUT
ITS REARWARD OF IT WHICH THE WAY IT IS WILL LOCALISE STRESS IN THE BENT/CUT AREA
BAD DESIGN
ARGUE ALL YA WANT ITS JUST A BAD DESIGN PLAIN AND SIMPLE
BARRY MUST THOUGHT UP THAT ONE :?
2 WEKS
LOL YA LIKE HIS KITS ARE
HOPE ITS A DIFF WELDER THAN DID HIS KITS ALL FULL OF PINHOLES POOR PENETRATION
GO AS FAST AS HE LIKES STILL DOES NOT CHANGE POORLY ENGINEERED PARTS
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Is SK is still an authorized Velocity dealer/installer?
Yea , For now :lol: Speaks volumes about Barry and his character dont it .. Superkunt Got the big website going makin out like theres some big buissness on the phone and on the web then ya find out thousands later ya got some Bullshit artist workin outta his home garage that dont know which end of a screwdriver to use and then really in his heart he belives he is just gonna walk off from it all with no repercussions...Bary has this kinda guy reresent him??? to me thats just part of the con .I always dopped off my bike at Barrys and picked it up there.So they both knew about my bike and the 4 motors and the turbo kit that was faulty from velocity as well as the motors from Kevin.
WELCOME TO THE GREAT FUCKIN HE GIVES TO ANYONE THATS NOT IN THE IN CROWD W HIM
AND IT IS GETTING WORSE ALL THE TIME
ITS ONLY A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE HE GOES UNDER OR SOMONE FINDS EM IN A DITCH
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have not been on much lately but still cruz in and on here. i have spent so much money on my bikes i can not even begin to tell you where it starts and ends. from day one i have delt with Dennis on 4 bikes, 3 turbo 1 big bore, and everyone of them has been first rate. i can tell you first hand that all the craftmanship on the work and parts from day one has been second to none and thats no b.s. i have been loyal to Dennis from day one and the reason i bring this up because in the beginning people told Dennis he was full of crap. that he built dyno queens and didn't know shit about building and designing turbo kits. guess what, he did it. people said he didn't know shit about going fast, he took a land speed record. just took a few people to piss him off enough to bring it to a reality. craftsmanship and love of what your doing is everything and without it you have nothing. i guess i was lucky to have found the best tuner/builder in the business from day one, thanks again Bombay for sending me to Dennis. maybe velo is building a decent arm but they really trashed Dennis in the beginning. i guess thats part of the business huh. no matter what kits or parts Dennis used or uses he always backs his shit up. cant say so much for everyone else. as time goes by and better parts evolve, the parts and craftmanship will speek for them self i am sure. again, thanks for everything Dennis, your a brother and a real friend.
Carl
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Jeff,
your such a nutswinger hahahahahaha...have no clue what your talking about but man you go to battle...gotts to hand it to you :P
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I have seen a few good bikes come out of velocity but my money will never go there.......way to over priced and if yu are not a friend or stay in there faces with the build of your bike in most cases yu dont know what yu are really getting from them......in my opinion they arent what they used to be at all......i have seen bikes come out of there that run forever and bikes that break in a few weeks.......Still to this day i havent heard anything wrong about dennis or his work everything i hear is all good........Dennis you will get all my business no questions asked there........
Hey dennis yu get any offers on the black busa yet ????.......
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got nibbles but no bites
i have a few more im building
since i sold my 05 im not pushed to sell any of my other busas
im trying to build myself 5 turbo busas all diff hp levels
got almost all the parts
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I dont know.
Ive watched their plenums being fabbed up. Ive never seen aircraft tape being used. I cant imagine what it was there for. I cant imagine Barry doing it for any reason.
Waht purpose was it serving?
to seal leaky welds.
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almost as as good as my mac
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v151/THEMOTORHEAD/10359a86.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v151/THEMOTORHEAD/eacfb5e6.jpg)
Now what do you need a air tank in the arm for, thought you only foot shifted :joker:
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I have seen a few good bikes come out of velocity but my money will never go there.......way to over priced and if yu are not a friend or stay in there faces with the build of your bike in most cases yu dont know what yu are really getting from them......in my opinion they arent what they used to be at all......i have seen bikes come out of there that run forever and bikes that break in a few weeks.......Still to this day i havent heard anything wrong about dennis or his work everything i hear is all good........Dennis you will get all my business no questions asked there........
Hey dennis yu get any offers on the black busa yet ????.......
Anyone would do well to stay the fuck away from con men and there internet scams.Deal with Dennis or Seb or your neigborhood crackhead.Anybody but those fuckers.Oh and about the arm why would anyone buy anything from that guy shit his best bike they ever built ( Roboti,s )went down the road and blew apart at the welds on the turbo system and that is his buisness building turbo,systems just like the ones that where designed to low causing engine falure and falure do to low oil levels.And superkunt,,,,ah this totalidiot this post goes up and all of a sudden his motorcycle board is down but his kaotic hobby board is still up :lmao: I guess its easier to rip off litttle kids on the internet with paper airplanes then deal with the people you fucked...Or so he thinks.stick that head in the sand ya thief.Maybe it will all just go away in your mind but you fucked way to many people outta thousands.We all aint forgot shit...Here is a trip on my new fresh rebuild motor number 4 to the post office with my son on the back 6 miles no boost.Just a taste I got a whole book but heres just a taste of the shit
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v459/johnandshannon1/100_0681.jpg)
Heres a piece of the clutch cover gasket that had just been scraped in the oil pan that the oil pump picked up
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v459/johnandshannon1/100_0674.jpg) Theres tons and tons more but nows not the time or the place.........(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v459/johnandshannon1/100_0683.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v459/johnandshannon1/100_0672.jpg)
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v151/THEMOTORHEAD/b5588081.jpg)
Dennis, question........shouldnt the gussets, on the arm pictured above, go past the point where the arm is cut and welded if theyre going to do any good?
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I've got a question I wish Barry could answer... I installed a stage one turbo on a gsxr1000... it creeps boost... since it should be pushing 6 lbs and creeps to 9 or 10 before I let off.... would he like me to bring it to him and he can fix it... for free?
I won't even bring up the fiasco we had getting a midpipe here... (I know moving stuff to another state keeps ya busy... to a certain degree)
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Hmmm. I'm definitely no swingarm fabricator. But can someone tell me what's wrong with this picture? Look at both arms...
(http://www.psychobike.com/albums/Franks/black.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v151/THEMOTORHEAD/b5588081.jpg)
Doesn't it look like the black arm is flared out like a V more than a U at the end? Is that part of the proprietary design :?
Or maybe the new welder can weld like a mutha, but just not straight?
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Once you put an axle in that black arm, and torque it down, it will surely pull in the ends square against the rim. But wouldn't that cause some major stress on those outside welds?
Or am I missing something here?
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It's a no-charge value added feature, makes for quicker wheel changes.... :wink:
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It's a no-charge value added feature, makes for quicker wheel changes.... :wink:
Sorry, my bad...
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Or maybe you can use your brain for a second and realize that the picture of the Velocity arm was taken from a rearward angle giving the optical illusion that it is wider at the ends.
Im sure you knew that, youre no idiot.....just very biased.
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Or maybe you can use your brain for a second and realize that the picture of the Velocity arm was taken from a rearward angle giving the optical illusion that it is wider at the ends.
Im sure you knew that, youre no idiot.....just very biased.
Me Biased? Not a chance. One thing I never do Jeff, is put passion before principle. It makes no difference to me who makes the components I choose to purchase, I will buy whatever I feel works best for the purpose. Just out of curiosity, Why did you even start this thread anyway? Barry did a kick-ass job of spamming this info to everyone who has ever emailed him.
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Santo....I was refering to Blackhawk....sorry, should have quoted him.
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Lofty,
Velocity set every record they have with a trac arm and sold them to their customers, and now that they have their own arm, the TRAC arms are a flexing POS?
Instead of trying to convince everyone that the quality of the products is the best.....put one on your bike and call it a day!
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I've got a question I wish Barry could answer... I installed a stage one turbo on a gsxr1000... it creeps boost... since it should be pushing 6 lbs and creeps to 9 or 10 before I let off.... would he like me to bring it to him and he can fix it... for free?
I won't even bring up the fiasco we had getting a midpipe here... (I know moving stuff to another state keeps ya busy... to a certain degree)
Been there done that my boy ...
Check the size of the exit port (header pipe to waste gate pipe) to the wastegate ... You'll find (probably) that the hole should be much much bigger ... Hopefully that will cure that for ya :wink:
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Internal gate :(
I'm sure Barry will step up and honor his product he sells so it will perform as it is advertised :|
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Greg .. I sure he will ... Never had a problem like that
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Internal gate :(
I'm sure Barry will step up and honor his product he sells so it will perform as it is advertised :|
The same thing happened to Marcus with his stage 1 busa kit. Problem turned out to be the turbo was supplied with a different gate from Garrett that had a higher rated spring. Get the numbers off the turbo & gate, and call Garrett, they will be able to tell you the rating of the spring.
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Seb, please stick to the words that come out of your mouth, dont go putting them in mine.
I never said Trac arms were garbage. I had one on my bike and it was a very nice piece........I wish I could get it back from them one day, but thats another story.
Anyways, Barry saw areas that could be improved upon and decided to make them. One being flex with very high HP bikes using long arms.
The clubfoot on his Trac arms were a band aid.....a very clumsy and ugly band aid.
He found a better way of doing it and I think over the next season hes going to prove that.
I find it funny how every single thing that Barry has ever set out to do, you've trashed him for it and laughed about it. Then he just goes on about doing it anyways and you just move on to something else to trash him about.
Barrys my friend, hes worked very hard on this new product and Im happy for him that it has turned out so well......so fucking kill me for it. Before you talk shit to me about it though, tell all your little cheerleaders to pipe down themselves then. Every time you come out with something new, Blackhawk is all over the net about it. Thats cool, you have some nice shit made and the bikes you build are righteous. If you guys are pumped up about something new you've built or designed, thats awesome....good on ya. Anytime you've shown pics of bikes youre building on Franks site, Ive always got on and said that the work youre doing is awesome and the bike looks great.
I know being short must suck dude, but stop bein such a hater.
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Man I tell you i been through this and now I don't have a turbo anymore at all TKP really got me also and GlodenChild posted my Gernade last year after the bike only had 1000 miles on it and I can say that I followed the instructions to the tee. I tell you I really was upset that the bike blew up and found gasket seal where it should have been a real gasket on the bike and this wasn't just on the side covers on the head gasket also, which blew at 500 miles and no racing at all. man this guy is using Berry to mess up his name in the Turbo sales and berry is allowing it to happen. I don't know what is berry thinking when he deals with a snake of this caliber knowing that he has a name in the racing business. People like this God will take care of them and all of us out there htat have bee victims of this scam should get together and put these people out of buiness in the US for good. They shouldn't be allowed to abuse people and kids because they have to get their money from their parent when it comes to buying the remote control planes and the adults making 11k plus for turbo motor and systems that Velocity backs with there name. To me this is wrong and people that work in thsi manner should have a clsaa action lawsuit placed on them to not be able to call themselves a business ever again.
People trust people to much and this is what happened to Anthony and JR, we trusted someone to do work that they promised they would and look what we got out of it blown up bikes and a lost of a lot on money. I tell you my wife wanted me to make this person suffer ahd she' a real christain women. Now when you get one of them mad then you know that things are gone back and they feel they have been screwed by another man by that man scrweing there household out of money because they trusted in the work being done right. I pitty the fool that goes to these guys for a turbo system because you'll get just want Anthony and JR got shafted by one big one that really hurt. Now he's selling model remote control planes to people, another scam and I hope these people don't get caught up in the garage as I did and then come to find out that it's all a mask that you can place on the website and get people to spend there hard earned money to get nothing at all out of it atll except pain and suffering in there household. I tell there's no bike like a turbo and having TKP take my money and the bike isn't what it was said to be just made me feel that this guy knew what he was doing the day he started using Berry to make him a name. I fault Berry for this and if his shop closes today then it would be his own fault because he allowed himself to be in business with a snake like this. The worst kind, A Cobra!! one deadly mofoe. For all of you guys out there building these turbo systems, make sure you do as you say you will so people out here can say they really trust you to get a job well done and not bitten by two snakes. MotorHead, NLR, SEB and the rest keep up the good work and remember people out here enjoy spending money, but they want to have that trust that It Will Be Right!!!
Fastturbobusa
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Anyone got any crackers? Jeff HAS to be hungry by now.
Yep Barry is fast.
Yep Barry probably has one hell of a nice race setup for him and his "star" racers.
BUT.........
He sells mostly SHIT that is NOT bolt on as he describes and is out of the reach of the average mechanically inclined individual. (ie: turbo housings sent out unground for clearance, missing bolts, incorrect wastegates etc etc)
Allot of his "authorized dealers" are complete jokes who can't install NOR CORRECT the flaws in the "kits" before they reach the average customer.
Did Barry step to the plate and correct this? NO. Is TKP still an authorized dealer? Yes. Is Frank Adams a dealer? Yes. I don't need to bash these people, OTHER unhappy velocity owners have and will happily step to the plate here.
So Jeff, can Velocity weld? Judging from the pinholes in my header, shitty peneration and overall finish- FUCK NO!
Is the arm any good? Who knows. Tell Barry to put them on his race bikes and prove them. Even if the hundred he makes after that fact are compelte junk, he can atleast prove his theory worked. BUT at this point I will state (my opinion), I believe the arms are like his stage 1 kit. A waste of cash compared to the competition.
You know Jeff I speak from absolutely no experience at all. I have only owned Hahn Racecraft, Mr. Turbo, Velocity and Mcxpress turbokits. I have seen Mac arm, Frank Adams arms, efreak arms etc pass through the shop. I have seem what the worst things (a crash) that can happen to a bike and what it can do to these arms. To me that proves what they are capable of. I have NEVER seen a Mac OR an Efreak arm broken on a weld. I won't comment on others, that is not the debate here.
Barry has plenty of followings at the race track, magazine articles and ads, and plenty of shirt tail riders with their own websites to boast his products. I doubt he'll get much love here. If his arms, kits etc are ANY good at all, this website won't mean an inkling to his business.
Best of Luck to Barry and his Business.
I hope him a great and safe year/lifetime of racing.
My opinion of course.
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Does a turbocharger installation training/certfication exist for a dealer of ANY turbo being sold outside the OEM manufacture for a motorcycle application? or is it just a matter of having a motorcycle type business and a tax id number and presto you are now an authorized installer with a turbocharger order?
Does the manufacture look into issues consumers are or have had with an authorized dealer? if they are valid or not? take action? or are they only concerned with selling more kits?
I understand some grey area would exist with shops who have been doing turbo installation and tuning for years versus a new business but would think some sort of training would be required and some concern with the end consumers poor results and action taken on questionable installations.
Remember, when folks complain they start with the name I have XYZ turbo on my bike and puked etc. That is what gets remembered regardless of who installed it than peel the onion a little further you look into who installed it, and what the OEM manufacture provided for training certfication. These are not inexpensive systems. I'm sure we can open a can of worms in regards to all motor, nos appilcations but my questions are related too turbo applications.
Rick
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Seb, please stick to the words that come out of your mouth, dont go putting them in mine.
I never said Trac arms were garbage. I had one on my bike and it was a very nice piece........I wish I could get it back from them one day, but thats another story.have you tried calling? Ill call today for you hows that!
Anyways, Barry saw areas that could be improved upon and decided to make them. One being flex with very high HP bikes using long arms.----------thats absurd! MCintosh arms are not ribbed on the inside and they do not flex...and your telling me a trac arm does? How would you know youve never had one long..oh thats right..you HEARD it second hand..this is my point!
The clubfoot on his Trac arms were a band aid.....a very clumsy and ugly band aid.-------seemed to work brilliantly with all those records they set!
He found a better way of doing it and I think over the next season hes going to prove that.-------------------------------------------------great, he added another rib...trac arms are an extrusion and have a rib in them.
I find it funny how every single thing that Barry has ever set out to do, you've trashed him for it and laughed about it. Then he just goes on about doing it anyways and you just move on to something else to trash him about.---------------------------your kidding right? Im not trashing him....Im trashing you for talking about a bunch of stuff you dont know anything about. Your so caught up in the moment youll argue with people whom do this stuff for a living...any valid point you will argue just because. I think its great that he has a new product...and Im sure it will evolve over time to become better and better.
Barrys my friend, hes worked very hard on this new product and Im happy for him that it has turned out so well......so fucking kill me for it. Before you talk shit to me about it though, tell all your little cheerleaders to pipe down themselves then. Every time you come out with something new, Blackhawk is all over the net about it. Thats cool, you have some nice shit made and the bikes you build are righteous. If you guys are pumped up about something new you've built or designed, thats awesome....good on ya. Anytime you've shown pics of bikes youre building on Franks site, Ive always got on and said that the work youre doing is awesome and the bike looks great.
I know being short must suck dude, but stop bein such a hater.------------
I may be short but at least Im not the one on the receiving end :bah:
Before you yap about a quality of a product make sure you know what your talking about..Blackhawk knows what hes talking about....havent you noticed or does it just make you mad because he always right. Before you comment any further..think before you open the box. I like ya Jeff but I spend alot of time fixing the"quality fabrication" so it irritates me when you talk about it. Thats all.
I will not comment any further...time for me to go fix some more shit!
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Somebody tell me how Orange permatex gets into the fuel filter of a velocity Kit???? :lmao: If you wanna see pics of a TKP grenade do a search,the last thing TKP wanted me to see was this motor,cause I had to show the truth,I pulled it apart and photographed it inch by inchh...I have never built a turbo motor but what i saw i know you don't put in one...FTB,your lucky you got 1K miles out of it for sure...
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Somebody tell me how Orange permatex gets into the fuel filter of a velocity Kit???? :lmao: If you wanna see pics of a TKP grenade do a search,the last thing TKP wanted me to see was this motor,cause I had to show the truth,I pulled it apart and photographed it inch by inchh...I have never built a turbo motor but what i saw i know you don't put in one...FTB,your lucky you got 1K miles out of it for sure...
...people are Lazy, let me help ya out:
http://www.suzukihayabusa.org/forum/index.php?topic=55172.0
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:yes: Told ya long time ago on the phone.That was a NEW tkp motor.( cant you tell by the head and how clean the engine is :? No need for a hot tank when ya got a can of brake cleaner :lol: I had some that looked the same.And then when you get sombody eles to pull them apart you find aint nothin done right in the whole motor. The guys is what he is ...............Im glad you took my advice and got that motor of yours checked Rob.And yea buddy ya know I love ya and all bro.But I told ya so :wink: Ya had someone else pull it apart and ya find you got fucked to...total con job on many out of thousands of dollars.
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Heres another great link about his work and Barrys http://www.suzukihayabusa.org/forum/index.php?topic=35944.0
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So is Kevin's board all done ? Is he still a dealer ?
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Here are some pics of zx12 arm I think they built. Should have shown these....bitchen lookin arm!!!!!
Totally supported in the bend area of the main runners!!!
I myself like it!!
(http://www.computersinenterprise.com/images/Charman/kentucky%20010%20(Medium).jpg)
(http://www.computersinenterprise.com/images/Charman/kentucky%20017%20(Medium).jpg)
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Lastly, we'll see how many winning bikes this year run Trac arms and how many run Velocity arms. You can talk smack all you want but in the end all that matters is which product is crossing the finish line first.
You care to put your money where your mouth is?
ROFL, Lofty's up to his old tricks..
I think the challenge was already made: Do a real engineering test of a Trac arm versus the new Velocity arm.
Know what though? Neither Lofty nor Barry will face a real and valid test when it risks exposing a potential negative truth. It won't happen -- even if it would provide all kinds of important product information that would allow them to make a better product. Nope, it is all about getting that mighty $$ out of your wallet irrespective of consequences. Too bad, too since it could help the industry evolve by offering fact instead of theory ... especially when it comes to realities that can affect a person's safety!
My safety is just too important to me and my dependants, I think I will continue to place it in the hands of those who have shown they should be trusted since they have demonstrated consistent quality and attention to detail as a defacto standard PRINCIPLE not just when it comes to a race bike for a highly visible and sponsored rider. The game is risky enough without worrying about which designs were thoroughly thought out or not.
I'm really surprised there haven't been more lawyers involved with some of the crap coming out of the camps where these complaints keep coming from.
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Or maybe you can use your brain for a second and realize that the picture of the Velocity arm was taken from a rearward angle giving the optical illusion that it is wider at the ends.
Im sure you knew that, youre no idiot.....just very biased.
Nope, I don't see the illusion. Just that it simply looks flared, and the pics of the other arm does not...
Maybe we should ask Rob about the illusion that his kit would make 600hp+.
I don't think he was none too happy about that claim.
I find it somewhat entertaining that as the magazine articles have progressed over the years, that nearly every article in reference of a Velocity bike's HP changes.
I mean, 3 years ago they race kits were capable of up to 550hp, then you read about 550+hp, then it was in excess of 560hp, and one of the most recent articles stated that Barry's Pro Street Bike makes over 600hp. :?
Also, it was recently admitted that the Stage II as advertised will make in upwards of 430hp, but that the numbers were inflated due to fuel delivery or something like that. And that's with all the offered upgrades. So is that just another illusion as well?
I feel these are legitimate questions, are they not?
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Barrys my friend, hes worked very hard on this new product and Im happy for him that it has turned out so well......so fucking kill me for it. Before you talk shit to me about it though, tell all your little cheerleaders to pipe down themselves then. Every time you come out with something new, Blackhawk is all over the net about it.
Let me explain the subtle differences here...
I often "cheer", or "post" about something that Seb develops, because I believe in his products. But the products "deliver" 100% of what he says they will deliver. Whether it's more power, more control, etc. I also have some sort of understanding of the product...
I'm not just a "Pom-Pom" shaker, and that's the big difference.
Yeah for Barry! His arms do look nice...(other than the "illusion" of the flared ends) We'll see how they work.
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i'll stick with my 0" suzuki swingarm.
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Well I have a Velocity stage 2 kit, got around 2500-3000 miles on it doing fine. My concern is I am thinking of sending the bike back to Kevin for somemore motor work, trans etc.. After reading all this I am saying DAMNNNNNN !!!!!!!!What do you do now???????
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Well I have a Velocity stage 2 kit, got around 2500-3000 miles on it doing fine. My concern is I am thinking of sending the bike back to Kevin for somemore motor work, trans etc.. After reading all this I am saying DAMNNNNNN !!!!!!!!What do you do now???????
He may not work on it after all this
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Heres another great link about his work and Barrys http://www.suzukihayabusa.org/forum/index.php?topic=35944.0
I guess it cant be said enough.......Barry has nothing to do with TKP accept selling turbo systems to him and he used to use him to build the motors in his race bike.
Barry had absolutely nothing to do with the building of Hanks bike....NOTHING!!
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Blackhawk, Barrys two consecutive world championships and the ownership of more world records than everyone else competing in the class all put together backs up my claims about how well Barrys products work.....I dont need to say anything else.
You back Sebs products because he's your friend and you believe in what he manufactures and sells. I do the same with Barry.
I have no problem telling you that if Barry wasnt around and I was to build another bike, there is no where on the planet that I would even consider taking my bike to except for Sebs. Sorry Dennis. Hes having some fine stuff machined for him and his bike assembly skills are outstanding. I wouldnt have said that about three years ago....I didnt like the stuff coming out of his shop then. Since he's started releasing his GenX stuff though, Ive been very impressed and the performance seen on Jasons bike is undeniable.
I also have no problems admitting that while putting my bike together, I kinda got Barry a little tweaked at me when I insisted on putting Sebs fuel rail on my bike. It was the best piece on the market and the only area that I felt my Velocity kit fell short on.
As far as HP claims regarding Barrys race kit.....he knows what his systems are capable of and has no reason to lie. You know as well as I do that the same system can be capable of making different numbers depending on tuning and other components involved. On my bike, Barrys full race system made around 550. that was stock bore, bone stock head and aftermarket cams. To be honest, I think the specific cams in my bike hurt power....I also didnt like the cam numbers we had used. Had the bike not been destroyed, I was puling those cams out.
Anyways, I dont think it would have been unrealistic to see 570's maybe even 580 with a good head and better cams. Is that pushing it? Of course. Barry knows what the GT-35 he uses is capable of. How hard do you think it would be for Barry to just put a bigger turbo on the bike and re-tune it to make big numbers? Do you honeslty think that if Barry was at all interested in peak HP numbers he couldnt make 600....even 700 HP?
Anyways, enoughs enough. We'll see what this year brings and how many winning bikes run Velocity turbo systems and Velocity arms. I guess Barrys adopted the attitude of letting his records speak for themselves. Besides, he's got much more important things going on in his life right now than continuing with this same old debate.
I guess i should too huh?
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Lofty you got a PM :wink:
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Blackhawk, Barrys two consecutive world championships and the ownership of more world records than everyone else competing in the class all put together backs up my claims about how well Barrys products work.....I dont need to say anything else.
Bravo to Barry. He worked harder than anybody else out there to achieve that. But, shouldn't it be said that there are pretty much no other turbo kits legal for the SBS/Pro Street class except Velocity? Not to mention he's racing against his own customers bikes and a few old NOS bikes that just refuse to let go of old technology. Furthermore, this does nothing to build the case of whether or not the kits are of quality. What it does do, is further strengthen the case of how Barry got there. Before teaming up with Kent 0 Championships, after? 2 Championships. I'm not saying that Kent did not benefit in some way, because the free turbo kits, and upgrades from his Hahn EFI system, was definitely going to be needed eventually to keep up with the field. But you can't deny the coorelation between the two...
You back Sebs products because he's your friend and you believe in what he manufactures and sells. I do the same with Barry.
I have no problem telling you that if Barry wasnt around and I was to build another bike, there is no where on the planet that I would even consider taking my bike to except for Sebs. Sorry Dennis. Hes having some fine stuff machined for him and his bike assembly skills are outstanding. I wouldnt have said that about three years ago....I didnt like the stuff coming out of his shop then. Since he's started releasing his GenX stuff though, Ive been very impressed and the performance seen on Jasons bike is undeniable.
I also have no problems admitting that while putting my bike together, I kinda got Barry a little tweaked at me when I insisted on putting Sebs fuel rail on my bike. It was the best piece on the market and the only area that I felt my Velocity kit fell short on.
As far as HP claims regarding Barrys race kit.....he knows what his systems are capable of and has no reason to lie. You know as well as I do that the same system can be capable of making different numbers depending on tuning and other components involved. On my bike, Barrys full race system made around 550. that was stock bore, bone stock head and aftermarket cams. To be honest, I think the specific cams in my bike hurt power....I also didnt like the cam numbers we had used. Had the bike not been destroyed, I was puling those cams out.
Anyways, I dont think it would have been unrealistic to see 570's maybe even 580 with a good head and better cams. Is that pushing it? Of course. Barry knows what the GT-35 he uses is capable of. How hard do you think it would be for Barry to just put a bigger turbo on the bike and re-tune it to make big numbers? Do you honeslty think that if Barry was at all interested in peak HP numbers he couldnt make 600....even 700 HP?
All I can speak about is what's been posted over the past few months about Stage II and the "Race" kits not exactly meeting their claims. Am I saying that the claim is 550hp, and they only make 500hp? No. I'm saying that there are some discrepancies, and some customers take that personally. I'm saying that I know what the GT61 is capable of, and with good head work, and cams I would see around 600-610hp. I think the GT35R would be hard pressed to reach 600hp on the same bike.
Anyways, enoughs enough. We'll see what this year brings and how many winning bikes run Velocity turbo systems and Velocity arms. I guess Barrys adopted the attitude of letting his records speak for themselves. Besides, he's got much more important things going on in his life right now than continuing with this same old debate.
I'll bet right now that a Velocity bike again wins Pro Street this year. That's hardly going out on a limb... You're going to have 14-15 bikes out there and 10-11 of them will be Velocity bikes... What's more interesting, is that there are a gaggle of different bikes running Pro Sportbike this season. That's the class I'm interested to watch! Long bikes, short bikes, big guys, little guys, old school, new school, NOS, Turbo, not geared toward one maufacturer class... Nuff said!
I guess i should too huh?
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Damn Lofty is swinging from some nutz... I never got the feeling in all my years on this board he was an owned man...
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I guess it cant be said enough.......Barry has nothing to do with TKP accept selling turbo systems to him and he used to use him to build the motors in his race bike.
Barry had absolutely nothing to do with the building of Hanks bike....NOTHING!!
I guess if Barry gave 2 shits about his company's reputation or his customer's well being he'd worry more about his kits being properly installed and operating rather than quantites eh? That in itself is known as SERVICE. Service is what 99.9999% of what most US companies are basing their business upon nowdays. Maybe he should follow the trend.
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Well I have a Velocity stage 2 kit, got around 2500-3000 miles on it doing fine. My concern is I am thinking of sending the bike back to Kevin for somemore motor work, trans etc.. After reading all this I am saying DAMNNNNNN !!!!!!!!What do you do now???????
He may not work on it after all this
Hey Greg why do you say that, I just said my shit is doing fine, but after reading all this stuff, it makes you think, did not say that I agree with all this. :!: :!: :!:
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Blackhawk, Barrys two consecutive world championships and the ownership of more world records than everyone else competing in the class all put together backs up my claims about how well Barrys products work.....I dont need to say anything else.
Lofty you need to stop...why??/because this statement right here should have awoken you...even though he owns more records than anyone else speaks volumes about the way he runs his business,cause i bet you a million dollars HIS customers have spent more money in their bikes than he has,even though he did the r&d on the systems....The customer bikes should plummet any records he has set cause the students are only as good as the teacher....Explain this one and i will shut up...
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Well I have a Velocity stage 2 kit, got around 2500-3000 miles on it doing fine. My concern is I am thinking of sending the bike back to Kevin for somemore motor work, trans etc.. After reading all this I am saying DAMNNNNNN !!!!!!!!What do you do now???????
He may not work on it after all this
Hey Greg why do you say that, I just said my shit is doing fine, but after reading all this stuff, it makes you think, did not say that I agree with all this. :!: :!: :!:
Seeing how he is getting hit pretty hard, I wouldn't be surprised if he stopped working on bikes all together. Just my opinion... which doesn't mean too much
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Heres another great link about his work and Barrys http://www.suzukihayabusa.org/forum/index.php?topic=35944.0
I guess it cant be said enough.......Barry has nothing to do with TKP accept selling turbo systems to him and he used to use him to build the motors in his race bike.
Barry had absolutely nothing to do with the building of Hanks bike....NOTHING!!
How can it be that Barry dont have nothin to do with anything but all 4 times I took my bike down there from the first time to the last time I dropped it off and picked it up at Barrys and talk to the guy and he dont know nothing about it???? I SAW hanks bike at Barrys shop and if you read that thread it is also said Barry tuned the bike but he never seen it again???I saw Anthoneys bike at Barrys shop..I saw others but he gets on the net and lie,s I got no beef with you Lofty I have always enjoyed your post on labusas and here and where ever but I got this question for you.Lets just say you and I have a mutual buddy who says he,s pretty good freinds with ya and stayed at your house even.Just for instance....He tells me your swing arm had lead in it Barry had you put in it in and didnt scale the bike out and thats what caused his wreck not a tire blowing out like everyone said ( another big ass lie )and he said it was said he made up that story so as his sponsers wouldnt let him go knowing he was acting like an idiot on the roadway.It was also told to me that YOU where very unhappy with Barry and he fucked you when he wrecked your bike and wouldnt help you out finacially after he fucked your bike I even think I read somthing on Labusas posted from you about it long ago.How can ya stick up for a guy that wrecks your shit then wont even pay ya for it?? I guess he made it right with ya and it aint none of my buisness nor do i care other than id love to see ya do another bike like you had it was a beautiful bike.But ANY TIME BARRY HENSON OR ANYONE AROUND HIM IS INVOLVED WITH ANYTHING THERES ALWAYS A BUNCH OF LIES...but honestly barry can set all the recoreds he wants he has zero credibility other than newbies he is counting on him and Kevin conned and lied and the best part is they wrote it all on the net in advertising and post and now those post and changed and deleted post add,s whatever people have copys of and now the truth is just barly starting to come out about this dishonesty.and I have seen in writing and have copys of Barry liying his ass off saying one thing in one post and another thing in another board the same fucking day and have been on both sides of the fence I know for a fact they lie like a rug.Good for you for sticking by a freind it shows you got charecter and id want ya in my corner but I cant belive you would hang with sombody that disgraceful......He got on here and claimed he never saw my bike it was never at his shop.... riiiight it was there for about 17 months....I dont like anyone that can man up and say hey i fucked up and then make it right but not Barry or his buddys he fucks anyone he can it appears to me Look at Robs bike.Kevin represents Velocity so what are people supposed to think..........I guess what I think is Barry must finally paid you back and now your on to the Barry bandwagon again :?
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Blackhawk, Barrys two consecutive world championships and the ownership of more world records than everyone else competing in the class all put together backs up my claims about how well Barrys products work.....I dont need to say anything else.
Lofty you need to stop...why??/because this statement right here should have awoken you...even though he owns more records than anyone else speaks volumes about the way he runs his business,cause i bet you a million dollars HIS customers have spent more money in their bikes than he has,even though he did the r&d on the systems....The customer bikes should plummet any records he has set cause the students are only as good as the teacher....Explain this one and i will shut up...
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Goldenchild.......I cant explain it to you. If you have to ask the question, you'll never understand.
I could GIVE you Barrys personal bike and you would never win a single race, let alone a championship. How many people have bought Barrys record holding bikes just to never get close to any records he's set?
You have to know WHY the bike goes fast in the first place. Track conditions change on a daily, even hourly basis....forget about from venue to venue. I could give you a bike that Barry just set a world record on and you would be lost with it.
It takes so much more than a deep bank account to go fast.......some people will never understand that.
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I hate to tell ya fella you have no clue then,cause Your signature is ass backwards,and it's written all over this board right be fore you and everyone else's eye's..If your gonna nut swing at least have some real balls to hang on too....Like I said you need to stop....Peace I'm outta here.
when you buy a bike of that caliper with the #'s it runs you should have some tuning guide to go with it..Suzuki gives you a owners manual when you spend $$11k,why not do the same with a $50k bike,I'm not saying give the world the secrets but at least help the owner out...What you think???
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A tuning guide....are you fucking kidding me?
I would normally try to converse with someone on the issue but youre fucking clueless.
He could run the bike down the track, break both the MPH and ET world record, pull into the pits, step off it and give it to you untouched and you wouldnt have a clue what to do and you wouldnt go anywheres near as quick. Its not just about HP dude, its chassis, its clutch, its engine management, boost management, tire pressure......Jesus, he could spend 2-3 years trying to teach someone how to go that fast. You want his first born child as well?
A tuning guide.........BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!
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JR, c'mon dude......why would you PM me that whole long thing, expecting a response from me and then just post it on the board?
Why not just ask me on the board?
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But that's the problem entirely!
Barry reaches out to his customers and bends over backwards at the racetrack, to ensure that he looks like a "model" businessman, right down to the "whatever it takes" attitude... That's what sells his kits! They see him go fast, and they immediately jump aboard! I too would think "With customer service like that I can't go wrong".
He tunes other peoples bike to go fast, but is very calculated as to how much info or help he gives. Without Barry, 90% of the teams running his stuff would be lost! When they struggle, you can be sure Barry is on his way to get things sorted out. Exactly how many Pro Street races has a Velocity "customer" won in the last 2 seasons? I think you can easily count on one hand, and I'm not including races Barry missed due to injury either.
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JR, c'mon dude......why would you PM me that whole long thing, expecting a response from me and then just post it on the board?
Why not just ask me on the board?
I was origanally gonna post it and wrote it to post then I thought eh maybe not then after some conversation with several around the country that we both know I decided what the hell id post SOME of the real truth about Barry and the way he works so people can see just how this guy works.No disrespect to you at all I like how you stuck by the dude.Your defenetly a patient dude.Sorry for the mix up :wink:
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Lofty look up the word tuning,maybe your clueless,it not only involves 1 spectacle of a machine but a overall setup....
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Aaaahhhhh :beechug: :beechug: :beechug: :beechug: :beechug:
J R .. I TRULY enjoyed our chat tonight ... wore out my god dang battery .... Got to sample my 20 year Tawny Port during our chat ... perty darn good I might adds ....
"I can see clearly now the rain is gone .... "
Beers on you in J-Town
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Yes it was truly a pleasure :wink: Maybe you can come down to bike week or hell any other time and enjoy the sun and surf :wink: However its now 2:37 in the morning I guess i should get off this damn computer and get my ass to bed.I got a busy day tomorro.I got to sleep in and then ride my Busa :lol: and talk to my some people :wink: its suppossed to be nice weather tomorro cheers :beechug: Hope your phone dont ring to much tomorro and its an easy day for ya :wink:
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I tell you pimpmybusa I'm glad you're having fun with the Velociety kit and that its working fine. but before you go and use TKP you best look at the Gernade GoldenChild sent, because that's mine motor that I traded for a stock motor bike. I can say that I did everything that TKP told me to do and the bike went up in smoke and bits and pieces and as you can see my oil was right but the pard and the motor job was crap and I mean that. This guyt gave me the proper screwing and I can say that I really want to ensure that this man isn't able to do this to anyone at all that's why I'm saving you from making the same mistake that I made in getting him to do my motor. GoldenChild said that he was surprised the motor made it 1K and that's sad to me because this guy promises to have the best thing going and he tell you that berry don't know mush about building motors, he just tunes the bike when its ready to go out of the door. So hearing this from this man should have made me think, but in my old days my brain isn't computing the best and I allowed him to sucker me into spending money in his home Garage business. I really thought that Berry was backing this guy and found that when i took my bike down to him berry didn't have much to say about what was happening to my bike. Now No one even called the next day I called and told them about the bike blowing up in peices. Now you telll me if your product no matter who's building or concider themself a Rep of yours, wouldn't you call to find out what went wrong with the bike that caused it to pop. Well no one from the race camp called at all and as soon as I called TKP and gave him the news the first thing came out of his mouth was, Well Lets See, You May Need This And That, so you're looking at about $2,000 to $3,000 dollars to reapir the bike even though it had just left his shop three weeks ago.
Now I ask you, is this the guy you want to take your bike to? Well I think everybody that had these sankes beat them should get together and do a class act lawsuit on these people, so they don't screw anyone out there again in the business of Turbo's. I think what happened is Berry Hansen winnings made everyone think that all of his bike would do the same and found that it was all a lie to get people to purchase the bike at whatever cost it was. I tell you Berry winning is what kind of got me, not really thinking I could be as fast as he is, but at least have my bike more reliable than it was and with the TKP upgrades the bikes was a darn reck and that's a fact. Well Pimpmybusa you make the choice on who will upgrade your motor. I'll say this, The More Money You SPend With TKP, The More You Satnd A Chance Of Your BIke Going Up In Smoke!!!!!
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But that's the problem entirely!
Barry reaches out to his customers and bends over backwards at the racetrack, to ensure that he looks like a "model" businessman, right down to the "whatever it takes" attitude... That's what sells his kits! They see him go fast, and they immediately jump aboard! I too would think "With customer service like that I can't go wrong".
He tunes other peoples bike to go fast, but is very calculated as to how much info or help he gives. Without Barry, 90% of the teams running his stuff would be lost! When they struggle, you can be sure Barry is on his way to get things sorted out. Exactly how many Pro Street races has a Velocity "customer" won in the last 2 seasons? I think you can easily count on one hand, and I'm not including races Barry missed due to injury either.
C'mon man, seriously think about what you're saying. Is there anyone in the business....I mean ANYONE in the business who helps SO many people at the track as he does? Ive seen him helping competitors. At Indy three years ago, when Frank Adams and Seb were trash talking Barry left and right and Frank was running an NLR system and couldnt get down the track quicker than some of the 600 SS bikes, Barry extended his advise and offer to help to Frank.....Frank told him to go talk a long walk on a short pier. Even still, Barry extended his friendship to Frank later. That offer of help and friendship doesnt end at the track. I have stood right there with him on the phone with people at 3 in the morning, helping people get ready for a race. His phone never stops ringing....EVER!! The mans gonna die of a brain tumor from being on that fucking cell phone so much.
How many Velocity customers win?
More than any other manufacturer in the business....thats how many.
Mikey Slowe, Chuck Cunningham, Kent Stotz, John Flood.......ummmmmm, who the guy in the heavy hitters class at MIRock that owns all the heavy hitters records....I forgot his name (Shane Ratliff?). Thats just to name a few.
When you look down the lanes at any Pro Star race and see nothing but Velocity bikes, thers a reason for it.
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Lofty look up the word tuning,maybe your clueless,it not only involves 1 spectacle of a machine but a overall setup....
Asking for a "tuning" guide on a world class Pro Street bike, is like asking for a manual on how to fly and safely land a 747 jumbo jet and expecting to actually be able to fly and land the thing after reading it.
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Lofty whats for breakfast? :D
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Wow! Cool read! :lol: :moped:
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Lofty look up the word tuning,maybe your clueless,it not only involves 1 spectacle of a machine but a overall setup....
Asking for a "tuning" guide on a world class Pro Street bike, is like asking for a manual on how to fly and safely land a 747 jumbo jet and expecting to actually be able to fly and land the thing after reading it.
I guess I could remind you of an incident in September a few years ago..
And your example with Frank? Flawed, Frank owns psychobike.com, it could easily have been viewed as a strategic move, not one of being the selfless saint you are trying to paint him as.
Cut the BS, Lofty, everyone knows what and who Barry is by his own actions regarding his own products. There are a few who have benefited from his products and there are many who have suffered. I've never bothered to bring the whole story to light, but I have a friend who is in the middle of tearing the majority of the Velocity kit off of his bike and replacing it with Mr. Turbo parts. Shall I get some pictures sent my way as evidence as well? The ZX-12 kit is a piece of shit low quality joke of a fucking product. Telling people to seal the air box with RTV is right up there with aircraft tape. And yes, he said it to ME on the phone while I was attempting to help my friend with the kit.
Oh yeah, and his time quoted to get the kit was 2 months, care to guess how long it really took? Yep, the typical 10 months after a lot of yelling and screaming he finally got 3 different shipments of the almost complete but completely anti-climactic POS. Only thing good is the turbo, we can thank Garrett for that though.
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Lofty look up the word tuning,maybe your clueless,it not only involves 1 spectacle of a machine but a overall setup....
Asking for a "tuning" guide on a world class Pro Street bike, is like asking for a manual on how to fly and safely land a 747 jumbo jet and expecting to actually be able to fly and land the thing after reading it.
OMG YA ITS ROCKET SCIENCE AND HILLBILLY BARRY IS A SCIENTIST
MAN OH MAN I HAVE HEARD IT ALL
I THINK BARRY SHOULD GO INTO Cancer research next :?
i can't believe jeffs still chokin on barrys cock :bah:
not hard to be king in a kindom of like what 30 people :wink:
bike prostreet is not some world wid phenomina that can't be figured out blah blah
i never got into it cause i found it boring and a waste of a good bike
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bike prostreet is not some world wid phenomina that can't be figured out blah blah
i never got into it cause i found it boring and a waste of a good bike
LOL....thats funny Dennis, thats the same thing I tell people.
Of course people know the real truth.
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C'mon man, seriously think about what you're saying. Is there anyone in the business....I mean ANYONE in the business who helps SO many people at the track as he does? Ive seen him helping competitors. At Indy three years ago, when Frank Adams and Seb were trash talking Barry left and right and Frank was running an NLR system and couldnt get down the track quicker than some of the 600 SS bikes, Barry extended his advise and offer to help to Frank.....Frank told him to go talk a long walk on a short pier. Even still, Barry extended his friendship to Frank later. That offer of help and friendship doesnt end at the track. I have stood right there with him on the phone with people at 3 in the morning, helping people get ready for a race. His phone never stops ringing....EVER!! The mans gonna die of a brain tumor from being on that fucking cell phone so much. Gee you think maybe he's helping people to sell more kits? It's almost like telemarketing... Hey, the more McDonald's advertises, the more burgers they sell. Would you say the Big Mac is the best burger out there? They've sold more than any other burger chain on the planet right? Billions served, is certainly more than anybody else... C'mon man, seriously think about what you're saying. Besides, if he's on the cell phone that much having to help customers, maybe the stuff isn't working? I call Seb to shoot the shit, not tell him I have a problem, and the bike is not running right... What do I do? :|
How many Velocity customers win? How many besides barry in Pro Street was the question?
More than any other manufacturer in the business....thats how many. How many other kits are out there racing?
Mikey Slowe, Chuck Cunningham, Kent Stotz, John Flood.......ummmmmm, who the guy in the heavy hitters class at MIRock that owns all the heavy hitters records....I forgot his name (Shane Ratliff?). Thats just to name a few. Who owns the record for the 60" class? How many seasons has mikey been perfecting the set-up on that kit. Jason Miller did what he did in his first year on the bike. So now what?
When you look down the lanes at any Pro Star race and see nothing but Velocity bikes, thers a reason for it. You got that right!! The rules are written 100% around the bikes. Don't even try to twist this one around, cause you walked right into it my friend... The Bullshit will never stop! You know it and I know it. NOPI came along and said "we're going to be different, there will no methanol allowed in any street class, but we will allow all types of intercooling, blah, blah, blah." Then POOF! The rules get posted and they allow methanol for the 1000's, and no water/ice intercoolers. Goes to show you who runs the show... Read the Prostar rule book, no frame gussets may be removed, or altered, blah, blah, blah. Then there's a revision that states a certain tube may be modified, or removed. Hmmm. Funny, don't the Velocity turbo bikes require that "certain" tube/gusset to be removed? Fucking Joke! Yet, "we have nothing to do with the rules, we simply build our bikes to the rules, and you should do the same." That's the old bread & butter statement... Lets be real shall we? No need for smoke and mirrors here.
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[That's the old bread & butter statement... Lets be real shall we? No need for smoke and mirrors here.
no smoke and mirrors.
just shovels and tons of bullshit.
pretty much all racing is the same, it favors someone somewhere.
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Yes, you are right, its a conspiracy to prevent you from being able to run your bike!!!
Frame gussets.....HAH, thats funny. No, its no requirement to remove the gusset, just makes installation a little easier. There are other ways to do it.
Besides, it doesnt seem to be a big deal since Seb now does it.......or are you just bitching because you would have to have a new plenum tube made. Besides, Seb said that the bigger plenum tube does nothing anyways and Dennis says all you need to do is flatten the tube with a hammer so you can fit it through the ram air whole in the fame.
LOL!! :lol:
Youre scared to make a few minor mods to your bike cause then you'd have no excuse for not running and you couldnt hide the fact that the bike would go no where. Why dont you run the bike at a local track just for fun and show us how much faster you can go than Barry. Show the world that Barrys control over the rules is simply to keep you from threatening his position on the throne.
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Nutswinger........... :lmao:
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Also, I might be wrong, but I thought I remembered reading on Franks site that jason never backed that pass up to get the record.
Am I wrong?
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Yes, you are right, its a conspiracy to prevent you from being able to run your bike!!!
Frame gussets.....HAH, thats funny. No, its no requirement to remove the gusset, just makes installation a little easier. There are other ways to do it.
Besides, it doesnt seem to be a big deal since Seb now does it.......or are you just bitching because you would have to have a new plenum tube made. Besides, Seb said that the bigger plenum tube does nothing anyways and Dennis says all you need to do is flatten the tube with a hammer so you can fit it through the ram air whole in the fame.
LOL!! :lol:
Youre scared to make a few minor mods to your bike cause then you'd have no excuse for not running and you couldnt hide the fact that the bike would go no where. Why dont you run the bike at a local track just for fun and show us how much faster you can go than Barry. Show the world that Barrys control over the rules is simply to keep you from threatening his position on the throne.
Yep, I'm scared. You caught me. If I wasn't 245 in street clothes, and I had enough money to keep putting parts in my bike every race weekend. I'd make the changes necessary to run. But it's far too political for me, and I don't have the money(I'm not going to lie). Just to give you an idea, when I stopped at the scales my bike and I weighed 821#. That's with totally stock chassis, stock body, 67.5" and 3" of clearance with a 2" pan. Now if I were to personally lose 90#(to get down where 99% of those guys are) get all aftermarket bodywork, run a 1" pan, so I could slam the bike another 1", chop the frame rails 2", short neck the frame, run offset clamps, and move as much weight forward as I possibly could. How fast do you think my 8.40 @ 177 pass would have been? But since you want to keep sqauking about the cooler thing... I tell you what, I'll take my ice cooler off(or run it empty), when Prostar outlaws the use of water injection. Is that fair? Lets see how many spun bearings or meltdowns there are then...
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Also, I might be wrong, but I thought I remembered reading on Franks site that jason never backed that pass up to get the record.
Am I wrong?
Yep, you're wrong. Jason did not back up the 7.66 pass, but he did run 7.71 which is the record.
So, here's another question for you... If Jason ran a 7.66 @ 60", how fast would he go with another 8" of wheelbase?
My guess is it'd be awfully damn close to the record in Pro Street.
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Lofty, are you ignoring my comments?
Pussy.
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Lofty, are you ignoring my comments?
Pussy.
You made comments?
I tend to ignore cock smoking faggots.
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ive never even seen a porn star swallow as much cum as this 5 year long blow job that lofty has been giving barry....
i only wish my first wife had given head like that......
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Thats hilarious coming from a entire website of guys that worship at the alter of Motorhead.
Talk about cum guzzling?
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So on a more postive note you gonna build another bike Lofty ? Your last one was badass and nobody can deny that.
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I think by allowing this Velocity bash thread to continue shows the character of the board Pres. It seems people have been starving for a reason to bash velocity and Kev at TKP for years. Kinda like trying to knock the top dog down because they feel inadiquate. I bet if someome came on this board and started bashing SEB in this manner, Ole Dennis would not only delete the thread, but would probabaly ban the guy doing the bashing. FAct is, Barry has set records that noone can dispute, he set those records on a Velocity kit, and the man that built those motors was Kevin at TKP.
Kevin at TKP built my motor and it has ran flawless since he built it. I have had some issues with the Velocity quality of work, but those have already been addressed. I think it's pitifull when a man blows his own motor up and automatically blames the builder for the problem. This Thread is nothing more than a bandwagon witch hunt, and I will have no part in back stabbing anyone. Kevin is a nice guy and I call him my friend. Barry is not someone that I will ever sit down at the diner table with, but I chose his kit because at the time they were the best. His RECORD proves that. His customer service needs some major attention, and BArry has been told that many times. The fact that his customer service has not improved shows that Barry is putting the customer in second place. WHich has caused me grief in the past. And to this day im getting pushed back due to more important issues.
You have those that like BArry and will back him. Same goes with Dennis, SEB, and the other turbo Gods. They all have their cheerleading section. My opinion, is just my opinion, but I think this shark attack should be put to a stop.
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Last time I checked, this thread was not about Motorhead, kissing his ass, or smoking pole.
It was about the quality of fabrication. And how exactly one comes to the conclusion that just because somebody has worked their ass off and seen success at the track, gets to make the assumption that their stuff has to be the best on earth regardless of past/present/future issues with quality... If it was truly the best wouldn't all the NHRA teams have jumped at the chance to run his EFI when he exploded onto the sceen with his newest, latest, and greatest gadget? Answer carefully... Remember I have some good friends in the Pro Stock family. :wink: And I have heard all albout how initial testing went.
Furthermore, it was proven last year that somebody elses turbo kit could go just as fast, and faster in some cases. Besides, it's no secret that the turbo system probably has about 20% to do with how fast a bike goes, and the set-up/riding is the other 80%. It's only a matter of time Jeff.
Richard at RCC has went well into the 7's on his first year on his bike stock chassis, Jason Miller owns the 60" record, and there will be more kits out there next year... I believe Steve Jester is going to be running one of Motorhead's kits in next year's Pro Sportbike Class.
The tables are turning, and things are slowly catching up. People are starting to pay closer attention to quality, and from reading a lot of the posts that people have put out there as of late. I'd be very interested to see what happens in the next couple of years...
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I have had some issues with the Velocity quality of work, but those have already been addressed. I think it's pitifull when a man blows his own motor up and automatically blames the builder for the problem. This Thread is nothing more than a bandwagon witch hunt, and I will have no part in back stabbing anyone. Kevin is a nice guy and I call him my friend. Barry is not someone that I will ever sit down at the diner table with, but I chose his kit because at the time they were the best. His RECORD proves that. His customer service needs some major attention, and BArry has been told that many times. The fact that his customer service has not improved shows that Barry is putting the customer in second place. WHich has caused me grief in the past. And to this day im getting pushed back due to more important issues.
Phantom, remember this type of thread goes on over on Psychobike about Dennis, and other people on a weekly basis. Is it constructive? Maybe, maybe not... But it does serve a purpose.
I ask you. If you had read this thread 3 weeks before you decided to purchase your kit. Would have made the same decision knowing what you know now? Especially, if someone posted the same exact post as you just did(I quoted above).
You state yourself, you have had issues with quality, customer service is somewhat lacking, etc.
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Lofty....jason has the record at a 7.70. He also went a 7.66 at MIR in front of everyone and went a 7.67 a few days later(not that it matters) and his package weighs 80 lbs more than anyone in the 60 inch class. We did it in 5 races!
Ive got a handle on it....wait till I have 8 more inches...yeah yeah..prostreet is different cuz its a long bike yap yap yap...whatever....Ill handle it just like I do with everything!
If your ever ready for NLR quality..call me and Ill work something up for you. trust me you wont regret it...nobody does. It will look better with the bodywork off the bike....thats what you pay for!
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I think by allowing this Velocity bash thread to continue shows the character of the board Pres. It seems people have been starving for a reason to bash velocity and Kev at TKP for years. Kinda like trying to knock the top dog down because they feel inadiquate. I bet if someome came on this board and started bashing SEB in this manner, Ole Dennis would not only delete the thread, but would probabaly ban the guy doing the bashing. FAct is, Barry has set records that noone can dispute, he set those records on a Velocity kit, and the man that built those motors was Kevin at TKP.
Kevin at TKP built my motor and it has ran flawless since he built it. I have had some issues with the Velocity quality of work, but those have already been addressed. I think it's pitifull when a man blows his own motor up and automatically blames the builder for the problem. This Thread is nothing more than a bandwagon witch hunt, and I will have no part in back stabbing anyone. Kevin is a nice guy and I call him my friend. Barry is not someone that I will ever sit down at the diner table with, but I chose his kit because at the time they were the best. His RECORD proves that. His customer service needs some major attention, and BArry has been told that many times. The fact that his customer service has not improved shows that Barry is putting the customer in second place. WHich has caused me grief in the past. And to this day im getting pushed back due to more important issues.
You have those that like BArry and will back him. Same goes with Dennis, SEB, and the other turbo Gods. They all have their cheerleading section. My opinion, is just my opinion, but I think this shark attack should be put to a stop.
Terry this thread has nothing to do with kissin anyone ass.There a whole lot you DONT know about just yet cause it aint all posted here about your buddy.I caught that he worked on your bike on his board so I know he is still doing work outta his garage and im sure you need to stay in good with him and all but There is no TKP thats a pipe dream and you yourself have told me as well as just posted you had problems with velocity and Kevin and I seem to remeber the last bike week your motor had to come out down here and be repaird that TKP built So it always been a just perfect deal motor for you .I understand right now Kevin is tryin to do anything he can for anyone to try and get some sorta support and he has been cryin on the phone to peeps but come on dude you your self have told me about your dealings with him from the get go :? And until you ever have someone else look at the motor how would you know? Roboti spent a fortune and he aint even got the shit in his motor he paid for and the stuff that was in it was done wrong according to his engine builder and his recipts.Thats out and out theft...Now this is the star of TKP and his wastegat blew off where the weld broke and then the motor was junk and would have killed him had he rode the bike anymore he was told and he thought he was freinds also and there are several others as well as myself.He left a freakin clutch gasket in my oil pan he had scarped off and forgot and left the stuff in the pan that caused my last motor to puke along with all the other motors that puked that was just the last one.I understand if you need your bike worked on and all and your stuck with the clown a lot of us have been there your stuck with Barry and him you feel cause it aint like you can just take the bike to anyone but come on man dont try and act like Kevin is faultless till you know all the facts.If your bike has worked out good then why you sayin Barry has got problems if the motor has always run great why did it have to come apart at bike week last year.I know your a cool dude and all or hell I wouldnt have loaned you a bike for a week at bike week when our bikes where at Kevins for months at a time.But enought is enough with this guy already he HAS screwed people....I understand he has excuses for everything and thinks the web is some sorta tool and you can just say what you want on it but honestly man there is and never was a buisness just some guy that knows dick about anything in his garage at his home which im sure his homeowners assciation would really love him working outta his garage or at his job i guess there gonna be liable also ?and Barry considers this a dist,??? No way, he has no garage liability ins no commercial property e.c.t. I think its great you defend your freinds and im glad your bike you feel is great and maybe it is but everyone was not that lucky.Probem is on Kevins site he can edit and delete post and play all kinds of games and on here he cant.Ever notice in all the years on his board ya never hear anything bad at all not one thing???Wanna know why??? Mr. Ego wants to try and control every word he will even go as far as calling people and ask them to post things for him.I have been there and done that and blew him up like a baloon online just to try and get me fucking bike back i played his kiddy games but all that shit is over now.Another reason people dont say shit till its all over is because there in the shoes your in you got his system his motor he built the bike and you feel lke your stuck and who else can you go.Then now that some of the bikes are getting sold or what have you now a little of the truth is coming out.Ever notice all the velocity turbo bikes in the cycle trader for sale these days.There good reson they puke the motors. The turbo is to low running it low on oil is bad news while you got Kevin doing stuff for you illegally in my state id also have him upgrade your system so it will hold the full amount of oil in the pan or youll be back.I like ya Terry and think your alright but honestly man until you know all the reasons everyone says what they say dont bust there chomps.If you or should I say when you get fucked youll be singin the same tune.We used to have Roboti come on here and sing the same tune now you see whaere that deal went.well actually your not seeing everything about it but look close enought and you may see actions speak louder than words.Look what Robiti spent.You think your bike is gonna be better than his was??? And how about Hanks you think your bikes better than his? Be cool and be safe and get ya a dry sump from Seb to fix the poorly engineered Velocity turbo and as far as the motor goes good luck 8) I honestly hope it does work out good for ya your a good guy.
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Blckhwk,
That is hind sight, but If I had that information about Velos customer service back then, say 3 weeks before I purchased a kit. WOuld I have still gone with velo? Well in all honesty I will say yes, I would have. Main reason was Kevin at TKP. I called every Turbo builder out their, from Mr. turbo to Velocity, and everyone inbetween. Kevin gave me the time I wanted, answered my questions, and made me feel that he was the best one to go with. The fact that Kevin has built Barrys record setting engines is testimate that Kevin knows his shit. ANy one that doubts that is living a lie.
All the others treated me like a red headed step child. One told me to send him 10k and he would get started. He offered me no support, and didn't want to talk with me and sell me his kit. It made me feel as if they didn't want my money.
Barry could have made the customer feel more respected and wanted by improving his customer support. I have told him personally that his welding was lacking in a big way. Being a certified welder myself, I know welding like Dennis, or SEB knows turbos. I think SEB makes the best looking headers on the market, he also makes the best boost controllers in my opinion. I have found myself going to other tubo companies for their products ( AMS1000) because it's the best. Im considering the Water/air intercooler along with other mods very soon.
The fact that we have Dennis, SEB, and other turbo guys out there, well that makes the compotition stay on their toes. Because the bottom line is that we the people, the customer demand the best. and the better turbo builder will have more of the money paying customers. Customer support is a must, as well as quality products. Dennis has set a great trend with his Ghetto kits with a resonable price. SEB has smashed the market with his quality products ( cost more, but worth the money) Velo has a ladder to climb to regain the respect they once had, better customer service and quality parts will get them back on top. I just hope Barry reads this and takes note. He has been screemed at enough to know he needs to make improvements.
My hole point is that the raping and gouging should not be allowed to go on. People have the right to know whats up. But personal attacks should not be allowed.
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YES!!!! THE NAME CALLING SHOULD STOP RIGHT NOW!!!!
Hey Lofty....what did the squirrell have to eat for lunch? a NUT
What do you call the people who swap partners?SWINGER
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Lofty, are you ignoring my comments?
Pussy.
You made comments?
I tend to ignore cock smoking faggots.
I should have expected that.
After all, the last beatdown I gave you drove you off the Internet for 6 months. I was right!
Pussy.
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YES!!!! THE NAME CALLING SHOULD STOP RIGHT NOW!!!!
Huh, he brought Velocity Spam to a site that knows too much or has had bad experiences with Velocity and he gets no love.
Damn Jeff I got a dare for ya to do this Sunday at church.....and BTW I get to pick the church, I'll bring the camera.
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JR,, The reason my motor had to come out of the bike last year had nothing to do with Kevins work or Velocity. It was a diff matter all together. As a matter of fact Kevin is the one that came to my rescue. I understand that your not a TKP or Velo supporter. I on the other hand have no reason to go against Kevin. Your right JR, I could have had someone else do my motor work. I live in Texas, I know I could find a motor builder here in Houston. But the fact that I drive to South FL is testimate again of my confidence in TKP.
Seb, do you really think I should tear my motor down just to confirm it has all the parts in it that I paid for? I doubt TKP would do that to me.
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Its all about difference of opinions and how you interpret them as a individual...
If we all had the same brand X turbo kit what fun would that be...
We all have choices, thats what I like, I drive a dodge you drive a ford, If I have a service issue I may get good service or I may not... the same goes for ford... Its all about brand loyalty... and they all have issues with product and customer service...
We should all respect one's choices and not disrespect, besides thats what race tracks were built for, see ya at the track...
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I think id tear it down and se if the parts I paid for where really in there Terry. For Real :shock: By the way what you gonna be riding at bike week is your bike redy to go already or you bringing somthin else? We gots to do some riding this year man.
Bike is at the paint shop getting custom graphics. It should be ready for bike week. If not, I will not be comming to FL this year.
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I was gonna PM ya but I got bikes you can use.Hell even got an upgrade from the old sled I gave ya last time LOL. You know that ol 84 ninja was a chick magnet :lmao: :moped: Get that thing done and get down here man I wannna see that thing.Any hints on what exactly your doing on the paint? I know it waas somthing for our soldiers or somthing to that affect ? wasnt it or did I read it wrong?
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Yeah, It's a theme bike to Honor the soldiers in harms way, and a tribute to the ones that lost thier life so that one day, others may have freedom. I will have pics in a few days.
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Terry... You better make sure you can make bike week :?
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Yeah, It's a theme bike to Honor the soldiers in harms way, and a tribute to the ones that lost thier life so that one day, others may have freedom. I will have pics in a few days.
VERY COOL :USA: Greg im sure he will make it.He likes them Harley girls :D
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Yeah, It's a theme bike to Honor the soldiers in harms way, and a tribute to the ones that lost thier life so that one day, others may have freedom. I will have pics in a few days.
I'd like to see some pics of that bike. :wink:
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The question of quality of fabrication was mentioned by blackhawk, personally I have no issues with my VR race kit thats was built about 2 years ago, when I received it one of the plenum ports did not sit exactally centered over the throttle body causing the rest of them to not be centered, and the up pipe was off alittle, so I called and discussed this with Frankie and he said since the plenum was not cnc'd the ports may be alittle off and that the boots would compensate for the difference... long story short , I was not satisfied with the overall fit so Frankie sent me another plenum that was a perfect fit all around. I have yet to finish this install as time has passed , kinda lost interest in the project, but its starting to come back.
I am kinda concerned about all the low oil level issue concern, I have to think that out of all the VR kits that have been sold if this were true... wouldn't they all have engine failure's if this were true??
I have noticed that VR now has a higher mount header that raises the turbo to allow for full oil level, could someone post a pic of a VR new style header ? curious to see one.
Seb have you completely tore down Robs motor ?? I am curious to the condition of the rod and main bearings if any to dispute the low oil level factor ??
If you have a VR kit and changed the header, how much higher is it ?? and was there a charge ??
Even though I have Barry's kit I and VR stickers on my bike... I also have purchased products and received great technical advice over the phone, from Dennis and Seb also. Hell I even stoped as MH's one day in my 18 wheeler to ask for some stickers to put on my VR equipped turbo bike. Seb yours are already mounted. I support who ever helps me out... be it Barry & Frankie, Dennis or SEB or whoever.
If you have a VR kit sometimes talking to Barry can be difficult, just his nature I believe, give Frankie a try , two totally different personality's, just my oppion. Todd
Dennis, how about letting Barry back on to give his side... also Kevin if your seeing this stand up and be heard
I thought these boards were for helping each other not hatting one another
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If the velocity kits had an oiling issue I think the bikes that have run down here in florida through the 9/10ths time and time again would of never of made it home. Roboti's bike even made a few hi speed passes if there was an issue he would of known first hand.
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If the velocity kits had an oiling issue I think the bikes that have run down here in florida through the 9/10ths time and time again would of never of made it home. Roboti's bike even made a few hi speed passes if there was an issue he would of known first hand.
CAREFUL !!!!! ... You CLEARLY don't have all the facts on that one ... Yes I made at least 2 very high speed passes ... and VERY shortly there after I was fighting gremlins IMMEDIATELY .. On my 3rd attempt the bike was hurting badly !!!!!!
SO YES I DEFINITELY know first hand about it and that is one of the MAIN reason I File 13'd the Velo kit .... the answer is more than that but I am going to just say that ... I am going is a good direction and that's fine with me
Seb has the Velo kit that came off my bike and after what I have seen etc ... That will be finest Velo kit on earth when he's done fixing it
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A quote from FRANK ADAMS from his psychobike
"I've talked with Barry about the recent trash on that site. He expressed to me that he has absolutely zero interest in what goes on on that website. Also said he said he doesn't even visit that site anymore.
Why would Barry want to entertain a bunch of idiots with "set opinions"(haters)?
I also think that it's Lofty's hole to dig out of.....not Barry's. Lofty was stupid for even bringing Velocity's name up on that site. Lofty is the one to blame....... "
I know these are not Barry's words .. I do ... but I'm an "idiot" huh .. Nor do I consider Lofty and idiot or anyone else with legit issues
But "idiot" ... Hmmmmm .... I have a problem with that ... I really do 8)
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Well in all fairness you and I and a many others where very much so idiots for trusting sombody and taking them for there word. But thats the good thing about mistakes ya learn from them... Im headed out riding call me later Rob :wink:
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Oh and I guess they will be coming off the hallmark Christmas card list :lmao: I know how you are Rob :lmao: No card for you :D Kinda like the soup guy on sienfield :D
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I know these are not Barry's words .. I do ... but I'm an "idiot" huh .. Nor do I consider Lofty and idiot or anyone else with legit issues
But "idiot" ... Hmmmmm .... I have a problem with that ... I really do 8)
Dunno Rob, I wonder who has forcasted this shit for ummmmm years?
I am glad you went to sought out people who see you as brothers and not just a blank check.
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Its funny, I bought many kits and even took time to do fab work and many people in these communities called me a potential "thief". I bought my information. I felt things could been done better and cheaper. Shortly after that, base grade kits have dropped nearly $1000 and become "better" and more accessable. Why do I find this so funny, the person who called me a thief and his followers had no problem doing so while holding my order and awaiting MY money. RoBopti, I remember you claiming to hear all of this backstage bashing and condoning it as gospel because who was saying it. Well, buddy, brother or maybe you prefer idiot :lol:, how's it feel now? I paid for my stuff the same as you did. Wanna borrow my horns, tain and goatee? I doubt I'll be needing them anymore.
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I KNOW I KNOW
SIGNED,
THE PARROT
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Lofty, are you ignoring my comments?
Pussy.
You made comments?
I tend to ignore cock smoking faggots.
I should have expected that.
After all, the last beatdown I gave you drove you off the Internet for 6 months. I was right!
Pussy.
Of course you should have expected it......you are a cock smoking faggot.
LOL...beatdown YOU gave me.....youre a funny guy Dean, you really are.
You bore me more than anything, thats usually why I dont respond to you.
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Quick 1300r the new header to redo your system is around $500-600 plus cost of two new sides,roughly now $450 per side due to the new height the filter,and dump pipes will sit at plus labor to remove it and reinstall so you will have $2000 additional cost by the time it's said and done.Unless your mechanically inclined and your time is worth nothing.
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Quick 1300r the new header to redo your system is around $500-600 plus cost of two new sides,roughly now $450 per side due to the new height the filter,and dump pipes will sit at plus labor to remove it and reinstall so you will have $2000 additional cost by the time it's said and done.Unless your mechanically inclined and your time is worth nothing.
Yikes, time for a pump, anyone have a pic of the mcxpress one with the cover off to show its mechanism ?
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Yeah,for real,I have a turbo sitting here I been wanting to do,but wanna make sure i have every kink worked out before I even endure the project..I have the patience of a monk,but don't wanna end up with the attitude of a Mass Murderer..... :lol: :lol:..Good Luck on what ever you Do...
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CAREFUL !!!!! ... You CLEARLY don't have all the facts on that one ...
Rob, I cant speak for your bike.......I can however say this,
The day this picture was taken, me and Barry had come back from testing the bike out on US 27 (Yeah, my bikes the purple one). We made more back to back 220+ MPH passes within a 1 hour time period than I think anyone in the world has done. We'd make 3 passes of a full mile, let her cool for a couple of minutes and then go right bike at it. We made so many passes, we had to syphon gas from his bike just so I could get back to the shop. That was he day he ran 232 on my bike....whcih at the time was 7 MPH faster than the world record held by Steve Knecum. Barry called Seb from out on the road....Im sure Seb will remember.
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The week before the crash, we were testing my bike.....I cant remember how many 220-230+ MPH passes Barry made in testing. I thought we were gonna melt the motor down before even getting to Maxton. Simple little water injected kit. Barry ended up buying the motor to put it in one of his bikes and after pulling it apart, everything was flawless. Musta had 200+ dyno pulls on it as well.
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Lofty ... No arguements .. None
How bout I say this - and then I am going to drop this subject all together - bcuz things are going very well for me
I had just the right "combination" of gremlins that kept hurting me .... Because I would be lying if I didn't say that the Velo kit get me up to 248mph ... because it did ... but it DID have it's own issues and some Velo things weren't right from the get go.
I know you know what I mean Jeff .... I am going down the road .. I have vented enough .... Glass half full
Call me sometime will ya .... I like shootin the shit with ya
Purple / Black & Blue / Chartruse / Mauve / Toupe WHATEVER ........ Just a DAMN SHAME that bike is gone ... Oh why not ... 1 more time won't hurt
(http://images3.fotki.com/v33/photos/2/25033/168368/redo6-vi.jpg)
aweful damn shame .... what a fine ass mofo
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No argumnets here that bike was freakin sick :smokin: Build you another one man :thumb:
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Gixx...I dont have his motor...someone else is doing the work..I have no clue.
Lofty...Im getting pretty disturbed your not comin back at me with anything. Are you ignoring me for a reason..if so its working because I cant think of anything else to say :x LOL
Your bike was beautiful..thats a fact!
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Blckhwk,
That is hind sight, but If I had that information about Velos customer service back then, say 3 weeks before I purchased a kit. WOuld I have still gone with velo? Well in all honesty I will say yes, I would have. Main reason was Kevin at TKP. I called every Turbo builder out their, from Mr. turbo to Velocity, and everyone inbetween. Kevin gave me the time I wanted, answered my questions, and made me feel that he was the best one to go with. The fact that Kevin has built Barrys record setting engines is testimate that Kevin knows his shit.
I hate to break it to ya, but a turbo motor has got to be the easiest motor to build. All you are doing is strengthening the internals with aftermarket parts... It's not like building HP with huge heads, cams, high compression pistons, etc. Could I do it? Possibly, but I will be the first to admit that I am no engine builder either. After seeing my motor come apart, and be freshened up. I'm sure with the right tools, and a hayabusa manual, it could be done.
Trust me, when I even thought of building my own motor, I said "no way", then when I saw it done, I thought "I could do that."
But that's neither here nor there. The point is that you said you have had some issues with your kit, and customer service has been somewhat of a hassle. Yet you'd still make the same choices if you had the chance to do it over again, knowing what you know now? :? That doesn't make sense... If Kevin is your #1 choice, why would you not have him build you the motor, and then put on a different kit?
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ummmmmm....OK, youre short.
Wait.....I said that already.
Well, at least youre taller than Frank.
:D
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I KNOW NOTHING
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SIGNED
NLR
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You forgot the goats and shades ... :P
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Just a little tidbit of information for all you racers out there...
Did you know that the Pontiac Firebird has won every single IROC race since the 2000 season, it owns all the lap records, and even claimed victory in daytona this year. This increases their winning streak to 21 races in a row. WOW!! Hat's off to Pontiac...
The Pontiac Firebird must be the best thing on 4 wheels...
After all, with a record like that, how you could you not wanna buy one right? :duh:
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damn...I was a chubby little phucker eh? Look at that double chin hahahahhahah
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Just a little tidbit of information for all you racers out there...
Did you know that the Pontiac Firebird has won every single IROC race since the 2000 season, it owns all the lap records, and even claimed victory in daytona this year. This increases their winning streak to 21 races in a row. WOW!! Hat's off to Pontiac...
The Pontiac Firebird must be the best thing on 4 wheels...
After all, with a record like that, how you could you not wanna buy one right? :duh:
I gotta wonder how many peeps will get your post :lol: :?
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Blckhwk,
That is hind sight, but If I had that information about Velos customer service back then, say 3 weeks before I purchased a kit. WOuld I have still gone with velo? Well in all honesty I will say yes, I would have. Main reason was Kevin at TKP. I called every Turbo builder out their, from Mr. turbo to Velocity, and everyone inbetween. Kevin gave me the time I wanted, answered my questions, and made me feel that he was the best one to go with. The fact that Kevin has built Barrys record setting engines is testimate that Kevin knows his shit.
I hate to break it to ya, but a turbo motor has got to be the easiest motor to build. All you are doing is strengthening the internals with aftermarket parts... It's not like building HP with huge heads, cams, high compression pistons, etc. Could I do it? Possibly, but I will be the first to admit that I am no engine builder either. After seeing my motor come apart, and be freshened up. I'm sure with the right tools, and a hayabusa manual, it could be done.
Trust me, when I even thought of building my own motor, I said "no way", then when I saw it done, I thought "I could do that."
But that's neither here nor there. The point is that you said you have had some issues with your kit, and customer service has been somewhat of a hassle. Yet you'd still make the same choices if you had the chance to do it over again, knowing what you know now? :? That doesn't make sense... If Kevin is your #1 choice, why would you not have him build you the motor, and then put on a different kit?
The problems that I had were not TKP related at all. They were all Velocity design issues that have already been covered ( low header) , ( cracking header. Tell me what kit could/would/did out perform The Velo kit 3 years ago? Barry was front runner in the SBS class, and he still is with his kit. Now SEB and Dennis and others are comming out with parts these days that are better looking, higher quality and should give velocity a run for the money at the track, If they can find someone that can ride it as good as Barry can ride. If SEB would have had that header on the market 3 years ago, that header would be on my bike right now. It's time for Velo to go back to the drawing board to keep up with the SEBS and the RIchards (RCC Turbos) to stay competative.
As far as Kevin at TKP goes, he is the best Turbo Kit installer I have ever seen. His attention to detail is second to none. His installs are beyond professional quality. RobOptis bike had the world foaming at the mouth because it was soaked with style and beauty. That is Kevins work, Flawless.
I have seen many other kits installed, SEB and Chris Cutsingers bikes are the only ones I have seen that can compete with Kevins ability to install a kit that well.
I think this thread is full of bashing and venting that has gone way past the maturity level of those doing the finger pointing. I realize that some things were found, and that others are venting frustration about past problems. BUt I feel as if the hole truth is not comming out. There is more to this story that is not being told. Things are being left out intentionally to make a good person look bad. TKP is not Velocity, and it does not matter to me if Kevin builds my motors in a fukin shit house. He does not need comercial buildings with neon lights that say TKP on th front to prove his status. He is a stand up guy that offers his support to those that call him. Keep in mind The issues that people have had with velo in the past are the same issues that Kevin had to deal with. He just had the inside connection to get things fixed for his customers quicker than you or I could have done by dealing with velo directly.
To ask me would If do it all over again if had this information prevy to me 3 years ago is not a fair qustion. Things are differant now, kits have improved. I have grown smarter about what is available to me. I would deffinately have SEBS header on my bike and his AMS 1000, I would probably have a Water/air intercooler with 1000cc injectors with a 4 bar controller. But no doubt in my mind, I would have Kevin do my motor work and do the kit installation.
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I have chatted at length with Kevin (TKP) ... Our issues have been resolved ... and very very amicably I might add & on the best of terms ... I've known him a long long time ... We're good ... and he truly hopes the best for my project ...
I had/have my reasons for getting a little "tude" .... And he acknowledges they are legit reasons .... But nothing but good things happen for me & my bike .. and I want the best for him ....
Case closed for me with TKP :wink:
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Phantom, your missing my point.
You bought a kit based on track performance. Which is fine. I never said Kevin was the issue. I simply asked knowing what you know now about the quality, fit and finish of your kit! Would you still buy what you have? and You said yes. That's what I said doesn't make sense.
Who give two shits about what's winning at the track. did you actually read my above post about the Pontiac Firebird? Do you not comprehend what I was trying to convey?
THERE HAS BEEN NO COMPETITON FROM ANY OTHER MANUFACTURER SINCE 2002!! Velocity has owned 99% of the turbo bikes competing for the last 4 years. So of course they're going to be #1. :duh:
In the first season running an NLR kit Jason Miller set the new 60" record, and is still currently the only bike that has run in the 7.60's! So what if he lost the best of 5 to Mikey Slowe on Pinks, or if Mikey still won the overall series. So does that mean Velocity is still the best kit on the planet? Or maybe Mikey just had a better season overall, and it helps that he has mulitple years of riding that bike?
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Contrary to what you might believe BH, Barry has wanted nothing more than to have other builders and manufacturers step up to the plate and get some competitive bikes in the field.
He knows that in the end its not good for business to see an entire lane filled with nothing but VR bikes. It would kill the class eventually and that hurst everyone.
Its not much fun being the only show in town either.
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Blckhwk,
That is hind sight, but If I had that information about Velos customer service back then, say 3 weeks before I purchased a kit. WOuld I have still gone with velo? Well in all honesty I will say yes, I would have. Main reason was Kevin at TKP. I called every Turbo builder out their, from Mr. turbo to Velocity, and everyone inbetween. Kevin gave me the time I wanted, answered my questions, and made me feel that he was the best one to go with. The fact that Kevin has built Barrys record setting engines is testimate that Kevin knows his shit.
I hate to break it to ya, but a turbo motor has got to be the easiest motor to build. All you are doing is strengthening the internals with aftermarket parts... It's not like building HP with huge heads, cams, high compression pistons, etc. Could I do it? Possibly, but I will be the first to admit that I am no engine builder either. After seeing my motor come apart, and be freshened up. I'm sure with the right tools, and a hayabusa manual, it could be done.
Trust me, when I even thought of building my own motor, I said "no way", then when I saw it done, I thought "I could do that."
But that's neither here nor there. The point is that you said you have had some issues with your kit, and customer service has been somewhat of a hassle. Yet you'd still make the same choices if you had the chance to do it over again, knowing what you know now? :? That doesn't make sense... If Kevin is your #1 choice, why would you not have him build you the motor, and then put on a different kit?
CHRIST THERE YA GO AGAIN
TRUST ME ITS HARDER THAN DOING ALL MOTOR
WHY CAUSE ALL THINGS ARE STILL EFFECTED BUT YOU HAVE BACKPRESURE AND OTHER VARIABLES THAT EFFECT THINGS
WHY JUST THE RIGHT CAM ON ONE MOTOR TOOK HP FROM 590 TO 630 AT THE SAME BOOST LEVEL :wink:
SE IT IS OFTEN OVERLOKED SINCE MOST DO NOT DO BEFORE AND AFTER OR REAL TESTING WITH THE RIGHT TURBO PLENUM ETC TO GO WITH THE OTHER STUFF
IT IS ALL A SYSTEM AND EACH ITEM EFFECTS THE OUTCOME OF THE SYSTEM
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Contrary to what you might believe BH, Barry has wanted nothing more than to have other builders and manufacturers step up to the plate and get some competitive bikes in the field.
He knows that in the end its not good for business to see an entire lane filled with nothing but VR bikes. It would kill the class eventually and that hurst everyone.
Its not much fun being the only show in town either.
What manufacturers want to "step up to the plate" and develop something pretty much from scratch, just to compete in a class in which data is shared between 12 other bikes, and 1 tuner? Barry was running 7.90's-8.00's in 2002. Then he teamed up with Kent who had already been 7.60's using a Hahn kit.
Next thing you know ol' Jed's a millionaire. everybody is buying a Velocity kit, and the rules are nearly verbatim to what a Velocity kit contains, right down to the frame/gusset rule. I know they don't need to plumb the bikes the way they did. But the fact remains that the frames were modified, and the rule stated no removal of frame gussets. Then Voila! An ammendment was written. It's the same old song... Now they welcome "all comers" blah, blah, blah!
The rules are still written the same. If they want all the competiton they can handle why not allow all types of intercooling, and why not allow alternate fuels? It's always an excuse. Kent says Methanol has no place in Pro Street, and neither do all these exotic intercooling systems. All of a sudden kent's building a 1000, and he's calling Seb to see if he can lend any insight as to what it would take to set up a 1000 on Methanol. FUCKING JOKE!
Too much ball polishing going on for me to even care anymore. You could tell me tomorrow, that the rules are wide open, your bike is legal,and so is everybody elses, and I would even bat an eye. Day late and a dollar short in my book...
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CHRIST THERE YA GO AGAIN
TRUST ME ITS HARDER THAN DOING ALL MOTOR
WHY CAUSE ALL THINGS ARE STILL EFFECTED BUT YOU HAVE BACKPRESURE AND OTHER VARIABLES THAT EFFECT THINGS
WHY JUST THE RIGHT CAM ON ONE MOTOR TOOK HP FROM 590 TO 630 AT THE SAME BOOST LEVEL :wink:
SE IT IS OFTEN OVERLOKED SINCE MOST DO NOT DO BEFORE AND AFTER OR REAL TESTING WITH THE RIGHT TURBO PLENUM ETC TO GO WITH THE OTHER STUFF
IT IS ALL A SYSTEM AND EACH ITEM EFFECTS THE OUTCOME OF THE SYSTEM
Dennis, what the hell are you talking about? I'm talking about a basic build. You have a stock motor. You can buy all the parts that go in it. There's no need to get all fancy with cams selection, valves, cranks, headwork, etc... If you want to take it to the next level, than yes... I would agree it could be even more difficult than building an N/A motor.
But that's not what I'm talking about here. I'm talking about a "basic" build-up that will support 500hp. Which is what the question at hand was...
Rods
Pistons
.080 Spacer Plate
Adjustable Sprockets
Valve Springs
Big Bolts
Gasket Kit
You're saying it's harder to actually build that than a 1397 stroker with headwork? :?:
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Lofty, are you ignoring my comments?
Pussy.
You made comments?
I tend to ignore cock smoking faggots.
I should have expected that.
After all, the last beatdown I gave you drove you off the Internet for 6 months. I was right!
Pussy.
Of course you should have expected it......you are a cock smoking faggot.
LOL...beatdown YOU gave me.....youre a funny guy Dean, you really are.
You bore me more than anything, thats usually why I dont respond to you.
If by bore you mean make your orifice larger by flaming you into hiding for 6 months, then yeah, I suppose you are right.
You're still a pussy.
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Yeah, you got me runnin scared now as well....cant you tell.
Eewwww, youre such a big strong scary man, Im just so afraid of you and you powerful intellect.....youre such an intimidator you are!!
LOL, what a fuckin joke..........dude, get over yourself you cock gobblin fag.
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btw jeff
i am sorry about bein disrepectfull to you
i have alot of repect for you both for he job ya do and for the goin for it al ya did on yer bike
i would be proud had i built that bike
i get caught up in the moment
in reality theres not many bad kits any longer
just hate it when ya sound almost robotidc when ya praise barry
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Phantom, your missing my point.
You bought a kit based on track performance. Which is fine. I never said Kevin was the issue. I simply asked knowing what you know now about the quality, fit and finish of your kit! Would you still buy what you have? and You said yes. That's what I said doesn't make sense.
Who give two shits about what's winning at the track. did you actually read my above post about the Pontiac Firebird? Do you not comprehend what I was trying to convey?
THERE HAS BEEN NO COMPETITON FROM ANY OTHER MANUFACTURER SINCE 2002!! Velocity has owned 99% of the turbo bikes competing for the last 4 years. So of course they're going to be #1. :duh:
In the first season running an NLR kit Jason Miller set the new 60" record, and is still currently the only bike that has run in the 7.60's! So what if he lost the best of 5 to Mikey Slowe on Pinks, or if Mikey still won the overall series. So does that mean Velocity is still the best kit on the planet? Or maybe Mikey just had a better season overall, and it helps that he has mulitple years of riding that bike?
Sorry Blckhawk, I did missunderstand you.. Now that I see your point.. no, I would not have this kit that I currently have. I would have the Ultra plenum with 1000cc injectors, Water/air intercooler, GT 40 Turbo, Sebs Header,, It would be nice if he made a twin entry level header. Sebs welding is very, very impressive. RCCs 4 bar fuel controller. So what does that make? A Ultra kit? From SEB? or Richard at RCC turbos? And a Motor head undertail. If that fuker would ever answere his Phone, I would buy one from him. If money was as tight back then, I would more than likely go with Dennis's Ghetto kit. He makes an awsome kit for a great price.
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btw jeff
i am sorry about bein disrepectfull to you
i have alot of repect for you both for he job ya do and for the goin for it al ya did on yer bike
i would be proud had i built that bike
i get caught up in the moment
in reality theres not many bad kits any longer
just hate it when ya sound almost robotidc when ya praise barry
Now this I respect you for Sir...
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ROTFLMFAO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
GOD DAMN THAT MADE MY MORNING .............. LMFAO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Spill the beans Rob, what kit are you going with this time? Or call me NOW and let me know.
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:lol: :lol: :lol:
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ROTFLMFAO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
GOD DAMN THAT MADE MY MORNING .............. LMFAO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
That sure is a purdy little kitty :lmao: :smokin:
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Dennis, you know we cool negro......but thanks for sayin so.
:smokin: :thumb:
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Spill the beans Rob, what kit are you going with this time? Or call me NOW and let me know.
He's got it in his sig.
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Well I guess this means all of this is over. I really don't care what people say about TKP, but I do know he's a man that has a problem with the darker race of people and you can take that to the bank. Well I'm glad Rob got it taken care of and this post can now end.
Fastturbobusa
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Dennis, you know we cool negro......but thanks for sayin so.
:smokin: :thumb:
Yeah,
that was alright.
I knew he was a sweetie. :wink:
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Well I guess this means all of this is over. I really don't care what people say about TKP, but I do know he's a man that has a problem with the darker race of people and you can take that to the bank. Well I'm glad Rob got it taken care of and this post can now end.
Fastturbobusa
Me to but i still talk to you at the track... :lol:
Do business with who you trust and hang with who you trust and to hell with everyone else... :thumb:
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Well Said gnd111
Fastturbobusa
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:talk:
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ROTFLMFAO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If your Kitty Is scared...
And If You Can Find Them...
Maybe You Can Hire.....The C-Team
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:roll:
All I got to say is that there certainly a few "ball polishers" around here... On this site there are people saying that Velocity left little to be desired in terms of quality and craftsmanship of their kit, and that service has been quite the rollercoaster. Then over on the other site, the some of the same people thank Barry for having awesome customer service?
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what I was trying to convey?
THERE HAS BEEN NO COMPETITON FROM ANY OTHER MANUFACTURER SINCE 2002!! Velocity has owned 99% of the turbo bikes competing for the last 4 years. So of course they're going to be #1. :duh:
In the first season running an NLR kit Jason Miller set the new 60" record, and is still currently the only bike that has run in the 7.60's! So what if he lost the best of 5 to Mikey Slowe on Pinks, or if Mikey still won the overall series. So does that mean Velocity is still the best kit on the planet? Or maybe Mikey just had a better season overall, and it helps that he has mulitple years of riding that bike?
[/quote And Jason had the same bike as Mike the year before and couldn't come close. Mike has been 7.70 on that (out of the box)VR stg3 piggyback system with a MSBC1 controller. Jasons bike has all the goods and plenty of money spent ,so your comparison is no good. Now the Prosteet VR bikes have all the goods so we will see who comes out on top in that class. The kits only compare in looks and quality, I say NLR wins that category. All turbo kits are turbo,header,wastegate,up-pipe,plenum,and fuel system. How they are put together is what counts. We put a kit together with a Motec and the bike had no chassis work 60" , 8.00 with average rider.
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I have literally gone to this tread to see this pic ... I now have it as a wallpaper ..... It's the small things in life
I have no idea why ... but damn that makes me laugh ... Maybe bcuz I'm a cat person
It's PUURRRRRFECT
I just can't stop myself
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
I LOVE IT !!!
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I wonder why when I try to access Kevins site I get this now?
:bah:
Forbidden
You don't have permission to access / on this server.
Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.
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Apache/1.3.34 Server at www.superkaos.com Port 80
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I wonder why when I try to access Kevins site I get this now?
:bah:
Forbidden
You don't have permission to access / on this server.
Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.
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Apache/1.3.34 Server at www.superkaos.com Port 80
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Hahahaaaa........thats what it looks like.
Damn, I guess Im out of the circle of trust.
What did I do?
The only thing I said was that Velocity didnt build Robs bike, Kevin did and that putting a stock bore head gasket in a 2mm over motor was a serious blunder. Shit, if I had done it, I would rag myself out for it.
Damn.
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Jeff,
I believe the site is closed all together? I haven't been able to access it for a couple of weeks now?
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Thats what I get when I try to go over there. Wife said he called the house Thurs. morning while I was at work.Oh well, didnt look as though I was going to sell the bike on his site anyway. Ill just carry it down to Rockingham in April and see what happens then. Thanks.
Tbone
J.T. Frick
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Doesn't PhantomBusa run like 8's in the 1/8th???
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1/16
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Doesn't PhantomBusa run like 8's in the 1/8th???
Its the same guy that was here for bike week from outta town last year that was at Jax raceway with the 430 h.p. turbo bike during bike week people where talkin about.Its the same guy your thinkin of from last year.Blackbike with superkunt stickers.Same guy same bike your thinkin of.Be nice :wink: He aint got nothin for anyone at the track here dont even get any idiea,s.
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I think several people have tried with no luck to access the TKP site. I tell you I can't understand how this process works. Now if you were a builder of turbo's and one of your customers bike went up in smoke would you honor the rebuild of that motor or would you have the buyer pay for the work that was done? I'm just trying to understand how this process works. I was told that if you upgrade the motor to a high performacne the builder doesn't give you any type of warenty at all, so what this is telling me that no matter who kit I buy I can't get a warrenty on the building of that bike. Man tell you if this is true then it doesn't make any sense to purchase a high dollar bike if you can't get any warrently on the bike and anytime the system fails you're out of money. I tell you I want another turbo, but just because I got screwed by TKP I really have a fear of getting another raw deal on a turbo bike. I've look at everyone with the bikes and it seems as if having great success with the TMH, NLR, MCepress, Johnny Exoticycle and a few with the Velociety/TKP motor build that's very happey with the product. I just want someone to tell me how this process works, so I can decide what I want to do. My wife wants a Trike GoldWing and at this point in a few weeks it looks as if I'm going to have a 1800 GoldWing. I really want another turbo, but if this is the way this process works then to hell with the turbo's abd I'm just get JR to build me a 1397 and have fun with it from time to time. But it really look as if my old rump will be getting a GodlWing.
Fastturbobusa :evil: :evil: :evil: :( :(
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Doesn't PhantomBusa run like 8's in the 1/8th???
Its the same guy that was here for bike week from outta town last year that was at Jax raceway with the 430 h.p. turbo bike during bike week people where talkin about.Its the same guy your thinkin of from last year.Blackbike with superkunt stickers.Same guy same bike your thinkin of.Be nice :wink: He aint got nothin for anyone at the track here dont even get any idiea,s. :lol: :wink:
Maybe we can line em all up at Daytona on Sat the 11th... :D
I like racing turbo bike from a dig on the street... :lol:
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I can't wait to meet all the "FAST" guys at Muncie....you guys coming?
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Cutsinger letting you bring the 50?
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I can't wait to meet all the "FAST" guys at Muncie....you guys coming?
Hows your bike doing Bobby? I saw the pic,s and it looks badazz :wink: Is it all done now and ready to rock and roll? Or have ya already been running it? I know your first bike was pretty fast I remember the vid I think.You where running like mid 8,s with a street set up I think wherent ya? Who knows what the deal is with Muncie at this point for me.But I think theres peeps talkin about going from around here but man its a long haul from Florida :D Yea im getting old :?
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FTTB,Nobody in the Industry that I know of will give you a 100% warranty on nothing race related..The fact that you use this for racing and hard abuse you can't realistically expect anyone too....the concensus is that if a really standup mechanic builds you a motor and he puts it together himself he will stand behind the build somewhat...There are so many varibles to what can happen with a motor once it leaves the mechanic it's hard to stand behind it....I see it and hear it myself,people take and let any and everyone tinkle with their stuff and most don't know what their doing and cause a malfunction and you can't expect the builder to stand behind that do you?How about this one,a guy builds you a motor and sets it up to the max cause that's what you want and then you get beat by someone so you say fuck it i know i can spray or boost up another 25 hp and beat this fucker,next pass you roast the motor,who is responsible????A mechanic can ususally look and see if it was a mechanically failure or operator failure (pushed past the setup he put in it)but racing is just that racing,nothing is guaranteed and nothing is for free....Buy ya a goldwing and enjoy yourself and your wife.....
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I can't wait to meet all the "FAST" guys at Muncie....you guys coming?
Hows your bike doing Bobby? I saw the pic,s and it looks badazz :wink: Is it all done now and ready to rock and roll? Or have ya already been running it? I know your first bike was pretty fast I remember the vid I think.You where running like mid 8,s with a street set up I think wherent ya? Who knows what the deal is with Muncie at this point for me.But I think theres peeps talkin about going from around here but man its a long haul from Florida :D Yea im getting old :?
Thanks...haven't rode this one....My other bike was basically built for street/strip,this one is built for STRIP/street. :lol:
Blackhawk,guess I'm going to have to come to Texas for some of ya now..... :bah: :lol:...Start saving up your ice packs for the maragrita machine!!! :P