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TECHNICAL => ALL MOTOR TALK => Topic started by: tank on November 27, 2006, 08:42:13 PM
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Can anyone tell me about the capenter packages for the hayabusa i was thinking about going with the 3100 dollar packaged it says on the webpage that i can get 210hp on factory pistons. Has anyone had any work done by them
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carpenter does good work and is a very reputable company.
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I had his 200 HP stock piston kit done to my '02 in October.
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he is the best there is!!!!
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i have the 1397 kit from him and mine wont run for shit 143 60 5.928 1/8 120mph i weigh 180 ?????
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i have the 1397 kit from him and mine wont run for shit 143 60 5.928 1/8 120mph i weigh 180 ?????
Just take to a good tuner. You will find some mph and et i bet...
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i have the 1397 kit from him and mine wont run for shit 143 60 5.928 1/8 120mph i weigh 180 ?????
He throws an awful lot of fuel at them all the way through the rpm range and only does his pulls from 7k to the rev limiter. Mine was way rich from idle on up but pretty close from 7k to the limiter. Get it custom mapped on a DJ 250i. You will be amazed at the difference. I was.
Keep us posted & good luck.
Chip
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Or even try a generic Brock map - they work good in alot of stuff... :thumb:
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i have the 1397 kit from him and mine wont run for shit 143 60 5.928 1/8 120mph i weigh 180 ?????
JUST GET IT TUNED
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thank u
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i had a 1430 done by bob and i was not inpressed at all. i left his shop with dyno sheets and went to my local dyno and they were 29hp off??? took it back and he said it was fine. i know 2 other people that have his 1397 kits and there a joke also??? were gonna dyno tune spencer99 bike but for 4500.00 it should come tuned!!all and all i went turbo to solve my prob on hp!!
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i had a 1430 done by bob and i was not inpressed at all. i left his shop with dyno sheets and went to my local dyno and they were 29hp off??? took it back and he said it was fine. i know 2 other people that have his 1397 kits and there a joke also??? were gonna dyno tune spencer99 bike but for 4500.00 it should come tuned!!all and all i went turbo to solve my prob on hp!!
schrader13
Just curious, what did it make at the rear wheel on the other dyno??
Chip
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sent pm for your answer!
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i have the 1397 kit from him and mine wont run for shit 143 60 5.928 1/8 120mph i weigh 180 ?????
set the up the bike and ride that will help
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we did put a rider on spencers bike and it went no better?????
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set the up the bike and ride that will help haha like to see u i bet it sill wont mph
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It will with Steve riding it
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if it was what it was supose to be it would wit hspencer on it also!
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All I am saying is that Steve is a bad ass rider that is all
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why did you have to send a pm about the hp that it made. if its a problem put it all out here. what did bob tell you it made. what did your dyno make. what times did it run.
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why did you have to send a pm about the hp that it made. if its a problem put it all out here. what did bob tell you it made. what did your dyno make. what times did it run.
[/quote ] I'm interested to...thinking about going turbo, but i thought bob makes good power w/1397 motor.
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i sent a pm because its not my motor any more and the new owner might not want that stuff posted!if i still had it i would.we have a bud in nc that did a 1397 in his basement and it out runs bot hthe 1397s bob did for us. and he has 1/2 the money in it,shit his 1397 13 1/2 :1 made more than my 1430 14:1 did????and im getting alot of pm's saying the same thing!!! this is only what a few of us think! i have seen and know a few of bob's motors that hall a$$ im just saying we did not get any of those!
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yea i understand that. all the ones ive seen have ran good but then again yall might have gotten a monday motor. :lol: thanks for explaining.
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well guys i just got home from the tuner having the turbo motor tuned! and the man told me the map that was in there(from bob) he said (looks like a 3yr old did this) he said it had a s line of 5s line of 7s he said it was a joke. so i guess its to bad i never had it dyno tuned. i thought bob did that! my bad for thinking!!
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If someone goes a 1.43 on a stock clutch that is pretty good as long as they are no more than 66". What are the specifics on the bike?
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I've never had a problem with any of Bob's work. Regardless of who the person is quoted hp numbers are useless to many variables.
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i am 64in
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i am 64in
You are launching well. The bike just need a good tune and do a warm leak down...
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so many go fast then a few who cant ride go slow and bash someone
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so many go fast then a few who cant ride go slow and bash someone
HAPPENS EVERYDAY!!!!HIS NAME SPEAKS FOR ITSELF
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so many go fast then a few who cant ride go slow and bash someone
HAPPENS EVERYDAY!!!!HIS NAME SPEAKS FOR ITSELF
yes some people expect miracles i think.
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must be the guys with the good ones talking. how does a bike lose 29 hp from bobs dyno to another.(load up at bobs unload at other dyno 29hp lost on the road there,i wont say bob cant do a motor but i will say mine sucked. and if hes using these bull shit maps he should tell you that so you can a, either pay him to tune it right or b. know you have to take it and get it done some where else. when i called him he told me it was the tire and fuel that made the change! same tire same fuel same day????i know (alot) of people with bobs motors that fly thats why i went there in the first place. now no way! and this is just me so what ever! oh yea i had denis do my first busa and the dyno was 2hp different when i got it home?? i can live with that! not 29hp like i said i went turbo now i have hp!!
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I dont think I am expecting too much out of my motor but when I can run the same times on a stock busa I think that is a problem I only gained 2 mph and 1/10 and now I am 60 footin better than last year. Ive only been riding for 2 ny summers I dont really think thats that bad for my 1st motorcycle .Its not like I really wanna bash Bob but what am I supposed to do he never told me I had to map the bike apparently thats what I am going to do now,thank for your comments..
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What kind of gearing you using? My 1397 runs 122 in the 1/8th pretty consitent with 16/41 gears. I am 205 UNsuited...
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we ran a a 16-43 on it and then tried a 16-45
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we ran a a 16-43 on it and then tried a 16-45
what where your mph times with those gearing combos?
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on spencers 1397 with a 180lb rider best it would mph is 120 mostly 118-119mph with a 142 60'
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I can't imagine keeping the front down with 16/43 without LOTS of weight...
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the bike is 64" and never comes up!(lack of power?)
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Yep - it really needs a tune or maybe a cam redegree and leak down test. Mine is 62" and 16/41 and it comes up very easy...
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as soon as we can find a pipe we gonna get her tuned!
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as soon as we can find a pipe we gonna get her tuned!
What does it have now?
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a yosh. just sold it looking for a sumo or sidewinder?!
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The Yosh was choking up someone elses 1397 on here about 6 months ago - like an 8rwhp difference!
I have an HMF Bigbird but will probably sell it and get a Murray Spider so i can be loud an annoying... :lol:
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how much do you want for the hmf?
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To both lovers and haters of Mr Carpenter....................does Mr. Carpenter have a sniffer on his dyno?
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i do not think so! and its in a huge room not blocked off from anything. where i just had my turbo bike done,he has a little room filtered and all for his dyn room.
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i do not think so! and its in a huge room not blocked off from anything. where i just had my turbo bike done,he has a little room filtered and all for his dyn room.
That was my suspicion and why I asked the question..........and would go a long way to explaining why some bikes leave his shop in such a poor state of tune.
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on spencers 1397 with a 180lb rider best it would mph is 120 mostly 118-119mph with a 142 60'
Pat, I'll come ride it for you guys..... :lol:
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ok jim, but your gonna want it to warm up first! got mine back from the tuner hppppppppp
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ok jim, but your gonna want it to warm up first! got mine back from the tuner hppppppppp
I'm ready when you are! Pm me with the details on your bike
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hands down carpenter makes power no complaints here and i can't ride
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I have an HMF Bigbird but will probably sell it and get a Murray Spider so i can be loud an annoying... :lol:
I really don't think you'll need the sidewinder to accomplish that. You've got that licked already! :ll: :ll:
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I have an HMF Bigbird but will probably sell it and get a Murray Spider so i can be loud an annoying... :lol:
I really don't think you'll need the sidewinder to accomplish that. You've got that licked already! :ll: :ll:
No... Currently i am only annoying... 8)
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hands down carpenter makes power no complaints here and i can't ride
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I don't think no one is denying that bob cannot build power and it stay together. The complaint is for 4500 you should not have to go get the bike tuned and if a customer is unsatisfied then something should be done to make it right. I can f**kup parts and money at home and get lucky every now and then. If the bike isn't running the number with that kind of 60 foot it is bad rich down low. the only reason it is sixty footing so good is it is down on power down low. Get the bike tuned and try it again. my 02 cents
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wow some one with some reason behind the post! thank you!! as i have stated i know alot of people with bobs motors that run like crazy(thats why i went there) but we did 3 of them, and not one of them run the #s. i sold mine were gonna tune spencers and we dont care about the other one anymore. so we will post the out come after we get the tune on spencers bike!!
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thanks
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wow some one with some reason behind the post! thank you!! as i have stated i know alot of people with bobs motors that run like crazy(thats why i went there) but we did 3 of them, and not one of them run the #s. i sold mine were gonna tune spencers and we dont care about the other one anymore. so we will post the out come after we get the tune on spencers bike!!
The other one you dont care about may pose a bigger issue than you think this next year. It has been the most consistant and faster 60ft, 1/8, and 1/4 times. And that was only last year. May not compete with the turbo hp #'s :thumb: which we know but not bad for all motor for the first year and you recommended Bob to us, and like you said with Bobs old tune. And im not trying to start trouble either! as we all used to be friends. A good tune is well worth hp numbers. :thumb: P.S. Pat, bike looks sick and from what I hear should run like a fugger!!!
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well brian. im not gonna get into this to deep. but right now i have the best time slip at 5.906 @129 in the 1/8 with a 1.42 60 but im 250lbs.and brad has a 5.92 in the 1/8 and your best ithink was a 5.96 but what ever bring some money get in the other lane and ill run you on mine,brads,jeffs,shawns you pick what i ride. i call it payday!!1320 feet all i need!
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OK Pat, I too have a 5.90 with a 1.41 60ft and I am 230, 40lb heavier than the other bike and 20 less than you. Im not compeeteing with you or your crowd anyways. I do it for my own fun. :thumb: Didnt I race 2 of those bikes all year And Shawns with you on it at the end of the year. Jeff is the only one ill be racing again and last he said it was for 200 so you better put the big pills in it and HE is riding it. Your welcome for the nice compliments on your bike and TRYING to be nice.
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carpenter does good motors, but consider lee shierts his motor's work, or rcsperformance
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We used Carpenter for a bunch of stuff. I always did the tuning on our own dyno, and his 200hp packages make 190 on our DJ250i, not a big deal when it's the et and mph that count. If the bike is setup right and tuned well you WILL run 122-124 1/8th, 152-154mph 1/4 putting you in the high 8's. Also make sure you have a GOOD exhaust since his packages are based on increaded flow.
Paul
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I agree that his packages are a little low on a 250i but as absolute cycles statesd the number in hp isn't as important and the et and mph is. he gets the job done. I just ordered a 1397 from bob for mybike
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yea well a 1.42 60 with 180lb rider going 5.90's @ 119-120 is bull. i have a bud who did his own 1397 and it runs 5.62 @127-128 with a 1.39-1.41 60 and he's 194lbs!! we will see what it does tuned. my buds is not tuned either.
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I know a guy at my local track with a 99 Busa, 6" arm, geared to use 3 gears (strange), anyway, he has Bob's 210hp 'Head & Cam' combos with a Brock-Hindle pipe. The kid is about 165-170lbs, pulls 1.45 sixities and 3.85 330s and runs 8.80s at 155mph. I thought that was pretty stout. It cranks off 1 battery also.
I'm going turbo with my Busa, but Bob has his act together with all motor applications.
Good luck.
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yea well a 1.42 60 with 180lb rider going 5.90's @ 119-120 is bull. i have a bud who did his own 1397 and it runs 5.62 @127-128 with a 1.39-1.41 60 and he's 194lbs!! we will see what it does tuned. my buds is not tuned either.
what exhaust is this bike running, sounds like its a little choked in the exhaust department. Making good torque off the line but is not coverting fast enought with small exhaust. Also get your bike tuned on a dyno that is in your area. you may loss some peak hp but your linear hp and torque should go up. Next make sure you got some good clutch springs and clutches in the bike could be slipping even with a medium weight rider. Tune a little before knocking the motor. If the motor is bad rich it will sixty foot but it won't run for shit on the other end. with a lite rider try stock gearing and you make pick up a tenth there and some mph. Law of demensing returns when it comes to gearing
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were putting a sidewinder on it now. i did have a small pipe on it. but it still came in at 216 with a yosh on it just no et. but were gonna tune it and see whats up will post the out come. not knocking bob bad just alittle bumbed the bike does not get tuned better or that we are not told to get it tuned?!
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were putting a sidewinder on it now. i did have a small pipe on it. but it still came in at 216 with a yosh on it just no et. but were gonna tune it and see whats up will post the out come. not knocking bob bad just alittle bumbed the bike does not get tuned better or that we are not told to get it tuned?!
216 hp on a 1397 dynoed on a 250i dyno isn't a bad corrrected number. You will probably pick up 10hp with the sidewinder and a good tune. Carpenter motors need to breathe good on the exhaust. bob tune for racing that is all and the motor is safe a/f ratio. I agree with you on the tuning 4500.00 should get u some decent tuning. Holla if you need any help. sidewinder should pick free up some hp onthe big end too
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thanks we keep everyone posted!
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thanks we keep everyone posted!
:thumb: :thumb: And don't forget..........you got a "fat" jockey across the state line!!! :lol:
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i have the 1397 kit from him and mine wont run for shit 143 60 5.928 1/8 120mph i weigh 180 ?????
so Im hearing he does tune very well
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where are you hearing that?
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i have the 1397 kit from him and mine wont run for shit 143 60 5.928 1/8 120mph i weigh 180 ?????
so Im hearing he does tune very well
carpenter maps the bike for topend hp that is it. to make the number. If you want a driveability tune or a perfect tune I suggest you stat with a local dyno that is in your area and take out the extra rich bottom end. This is usually the case because he start tunning around 6500 to 11400 if you have an extended ecu
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well theres the prob its only running 120mph in the 1/8th our hood ratt back yard motor is running 129mph in the 1/8!!
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well theres the prob its only running 120mph in the 1/8th our hood ratt back yard motor is running 129mph in the 1/8!!
small cam 1397 with a average exhaust will do well. Bob motors have 425 /415 cam and need a good exhaust to take advantage of the wide lobe separation on the cams. make hp at high rpm so you might need to adjust your launch style also. :P :P
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small cam 1397 with a average exhaust will do well. Bob motors have 425 /415 cam and need a good exhaust to take advantage of the wide lobe separation on the cams. make hp at high rpm so you might need to adjust your launch style also.
Fastone, I am not necessarily disagreeing with you about wide lobe separation and the need for a good exhaust.....................but what relationship between overlap and exhaust system are you referring to?
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small cam 1397 with a average exhaust will do well. Bob motors have 425 /415 cam and need a good exhaust to take advantage of the wide lobe separation on the cams. make hp at high rpm so you might need to adjust your launch style also.
Fastone, I am not necessarily disagreeing with you about wide lobe separation and the need for a good exhaust.....................but what relationship between overlap and exhaust system are you referring to?
Sorry for the confusion Dark Falcon but I'm refering to lobe separation and camshaft centerline. Wider lkobe separation usually make hp peak hightr in the power band. Thus need a larger exhaust to take advantage. Tighter lobe separation make powerr lower in the power band with a little more midrange tq. so a smaller exhaust can be used with good results because the motor is not moving as much air through the exhaust. But this increase in overall tq can make a bike faster in the 1/8 but not in the quarter mile. just my opinion. Like comparing big block chevy to sm blk
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Fastone,
Can you tell me more about the extended ecu.
I think that my Busa could benefit from a little more rpm.
My current limit is 10,800, I would love to be able to try 11,500.
Thanks.
JR Killiany
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Fastone,
Can you tell me more about the extended ecu.
I think that my Busa could benefit from a little more rpm.
My current limit is 10,800, I would love to be able to try 11,500.
Thanks.
JR Killiany
DaveO and Matt Wright have that info. 11,150 and 11,350 based on the year ECU...
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EXACTLY WHAT HE SAID. yOU ONLY NEED ONE IF YOUR MOTOR MAKE POWER TO THE LIMITER AND STILL IS CLIMBING. i JUST BOUGHT ONE FOR GP
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MY BUSA MADE 209 HP WITH 112 TORQUE . 1397 13-1 CARPENTER 385'S IT WOULD RUN 155+ EVERY PASS AND HAS RUN 163 MPH WITH NO NOS.
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MY BUSA MADE 209 HP WITH 112 TORQUE . 1397 13-1 CARPENTER 385'S IT WOULD RUN 155+ EVERY PASS AND HAS RUN 163 MPH WITH NO NOS.
What head do you have on youre bike?
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sounds like the 200 hp street head but those are good number. probably pull on a 250i dyno
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MY BUSA MADE 209 HP WITH 112 TORQUE . 1397 13-1 CARPENTER 385'S IT WOULD RUN 155+ EVERY PASS AND HAS RUN 163 MPH WITH NO NOS.
What head do you have on youre bike?
BOB DID THE HEAD AND SOLD AND SET THE HEAD UP FOR THE CAMS. HAD A LOCAL PUT THE MOTOR BACK TOGETHER. CAMS SET UP 112/112 HERE IS A LINK TO VEIW MY TIME SLIPS. BIKE IS SOLD THOUGH. http://psychobike.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard.cgi?s=5b34b10f4388dabfc7fec57c4c8e7bfe;act=ST;f=3;t=28512