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GENERAL => BIKE TALK => Topic started by: Banshee Ben on November 28, 2003, 12:58:00 AM
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I have been offered a trade for a tl1000. GSXR1000 vs TL1000R Whats the difference? I know the gsxr is more of a race bike but I was wondering what the main differences were. HP,weight,riding position. And what is your gut feeling for price for an almost stock 2001. I have an oppertunity for a trade. I didn't really want 1 but it is an option. Thanks (http://images/smiles/converted/beerchug.gif)
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About 40 HP and 40 pounds.... (http://images/smiles/icon_wink.gif)
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already have a gsxr750 and busa. the trade is for a banshh I am selling. I didn't know it was a v-twin. I'd rather get a buell for a twin. The trade is worth $6800 for a 2001 tl, does that seem ok, whats the tl worth? Thanks
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Originally posted by Cookie:
Buy the new 2004 GSXR-750 instead. It's going to be a brute. (http://images/smiles/icon_wink.gif)
UH NOT COMPARED TO THE 1000 (http://images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif)
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I recently sold my TL.. Wish i still had it!! there is no way that it compares to the gxr1k even though i liked it better.. gxsr is faster lighter smaller.. but that twin motor in the TL is ALOT of fun.. if its yellow and black, get it!!
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The Tl (S & R versions) is probably the most uncomfortable bike I've ever ridden. The Gix 1000 is just as much a wheelie king, is smoother, and a better bike in every respect. Lots easier to work on the Gixxer too. Tls are a nightmare, IMO.
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I'd rather get a buell for a twin.
Buell, I wish you could talk to my friend Flyer about his Buell, he would ENLIGHTEN you a little!!
Let me tell you a few things about his so far, with no exaggeration included.
Flyer is about 45y/o, and has a white lightning.
SO far the huge shock that lays underneath has failed 3 times. Twice under warranty once out, and they won't stand behind it, $1200.00!!
The rear cylinder head ripped out of the frame, the front head blew a gasket.
Belts, I think he lost count!
He carries wire with him when he rides, because he cannot keep the exhaust from breaking off from the vibration!!
These are a few of the big things, and many more little things go wrong.
Mirrors are ornimental due to the vibration, you can't see anything in them!
Top speed, is about 135-40, and thats takin life in your own hands with a V-twin from the early 1900's under your nuts!!
GO ahead, buy a Buell, find out for yourself!!
Then try and sell it again, cause he has been trying for almost 2 years! RESALE IS ZIP!
TL, well reliabilty is a given.
Smooth decent power with a shorter wheelbase then the GSXR1.
Power is about 40 horse less, weight is about 50lbs more.
TL sits like the Busa, not cramped.
Has alot of torque, that makes up for alot of its weight.
It Sounds like a harley on steroids with a set of Two Brothers pipes bolted on!
Last year of production, so better get one if you want it! (http://images/smiles/converted/thumb.gif)
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Thanks guys (http://images/smiles/converted/thumb.gif)
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Just sold my 2001 TLR so I could get the Busa . The Tlr was an awesome bike , torque monster and wheelie machine are an understatement . Great ride and very comfortable .
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cycleeric: how much did you sell the tl for.? And was it easy to sell.
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Originally posted by Banchee Ben:
how much did you sell the tl for.? And was it easy to sell.
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I traded my 2001 TL in on my Busa last year for $7700(Thanks, Falcon!!!) The Busa is the only way to go, but that TL was soooooo fun!!!!!!!
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Originally posted by Banchee Ben:
already have a gsxr750 and busa. the trade is for a banshh I am selling. I didn't know it was a v-twin. I'd rather get a buell for a twin. The trade is worth $6800 for a 2001 tl, does that seem ok, whats the tl worth? Thanks
Hell yeah -- TL's sounds sweet with a Two Bro's system... Cool bikes for around town driving...
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The TL1000 is a slug! Don't go for it! You've been warned
The TL is a slug? Compared to a Busa everything is a slug, but damn Dwight, the TL will hit 180 mph stock, and wheelies are so easy that you almost have to try NOT to do them!!
Its a fun bike for what it costs, horse power is rated at 133, but torque is Very high, so its not wimpy by any means, add a power commander and good pipes and its a highly motivational bike!
Two things that make it worth owning, one is the wheelbase, its short as hell, the second is sound, if you wanna bike that sounds as good as it looks, this is the one!
Dwight sometimes I wonder about you! (http://images/smiles/icon_razz.gif)
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It won't do 180mph,I promise you........
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I got 6500 out of mine with no problems , didnt want ot bicker over a few hundred $$$ just pay me and take it away so I could get the BUSA . I do miss it a little ............. very little
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I loved my tiller! I'm not sure I would trade a 1k for one though. That's up to you. My tiller would not approach 180 mph. 174 mph indicated max'd out.
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It won't do 180mph,I promise you........
Well then my Busa speedo is off that far then, because Randor rode his next to my Busa, each of us were indicating 180!!!
I was extremely surprised to see it myself.
We didn't have a GPS with us, but I swear we both indicated 180!
Randor get on this post, straighten these guys out!!! (http://images/smiles/converted/thumb.gif)
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Yes, your Busa's speedo is off that far too. Nearly all of the Japanese bike have speedos that read very high.
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the difference is---like two big plates of chips (usa-fries but fat ones) one with salt and vinegar the other without.....both nice on a cold day when u are hungry but better with the salt and vinegar. (http://images/smiles/converted/yes.gif)
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When I topped mine out with the TRE off, the needle said 198 ~ 199 at an actual 186 mph.
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It won't do 180mph,I promise you........
Originally posted by Falcon-A:
Well then my Busa speedo is off that far then, because Randor rode his next to my Busa, each of us were indicating 180!!!
I was extremely surprised to see it myself.
We didn't have a GPS with us, but I swear we both indicated 180!
Randor get on this post, straighten these guys out!!!
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My speedo read 180. I'm sure it was off, but not more than 5 MHP or so. All I had on that bike was some Yosh cans. If I would have added a PC, full exhaust system, and an air box mod, I'm sure it would exceed 180 MPH. I really miss that bike, but IMHO I would go with the GSXR1000. Not because of the comfort though, that TL was comfy as hell (Gel seat). It's pretty comparable to the Gixxer comfort-wise and way better than an SV.
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I tried to tell-em Randor, but they didn't beleive me!! (http://images/smiles/converted/thumb.gif)
I don't know why the TL ever got a bad rep, because its a sweet bike!
Don't knock it, its a hell of alot better to sit on then the RC51!
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That clears everything up. Now we have two people that both saw 180 on their incorrect speedometers.
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Originally posted by BusaGeek:
That clears everything up. Now we have two people that both saw 180 on their incorrect speedometers.
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Well then, just exactly how far off are they at 180? Since Gps isn't perfectly accurate, and we know that these speed sensor driven speedos are closer then they used to be, tell me how far off they are then?? (http://images/smiles/icon_confused.gif)
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like i said before.. I think the TLR is a great bike, maybe not the fastest or quickest and certainly wants the lightest, but for how i was riding at that time, it was the best for "ME".. does anything else really matter?
I could only get the TL to read 172ish on the spedo.. but then again, im a fat ass!
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They read up to 10% high. 5% is a pretty common number.
Funny thing is that the odometers are usually fairly accurate.
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Isn't that strange that both bikes were reading the same speed as we cruised a fourlane together?
It wasn't a case of taking it up to speed, and backing off, we maintained it for miles!
I find it hard to believe that they could both be off exactly the same amount!
I would bet that they are closer then you think, because I remember when the Busa came out, and they would indicate 197 as being top speed, and didn't the radar indicate it as well??
So even if it is off, getting back to the TL, lets say 170 then, thats a hell of a feat for a V-twin!
Hell harley dreams about 140 with the shit they spew out for bikes! (Buell included!)
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My opinion is that the error is there intentionally. If it were manufacturing error, then the odometer would be off the same amount as the speedo. So, two Suzukis having the same error is very reasonable.
BTW, a TL1000R makes under 120HP stock and is lucky to get into the upper 120's with a good pipe. I'd be surprised if it could hit 170mph without some help like a tailwind. An R1 can barely hit 170.
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Originally posted by po boy:
When I topped mine out with the TRE off, the needle said 198 ~ 199 at an actual 186 mph.
Ummm.... No way in hell it was doing over 166..
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well i never...i cant believe u guys are even talking about it...if a tl (as good as they are) ever came past my busa or even kept up in a high speed duel id either hand my licence back in or take my busa to the garage....in the bends-ahhh maybe a different story but 180+ come on guys for fucks sake.......there wouldnt have been any need for the busa then eh!!!think about it now. (http://images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif)
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Im not talkin that a TL is a Busa eater whatsoever, Im just stickin up for it, that its a great bike to ride, and it never got the recognition its so deserved!
I think its a great bike for a V-Twin, and its too bad that its not givin much credit!
Thats the only point Ive been TRYING to make!
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Speedos are positively off-I've had my '03 on the limiter four times now,and it hits the peg at 185 long before the tach stops climbing.