2006 Hayabusa vs 2005 ZX10

[FiremanBusa]

I have a friend who says that he continues to get beat by a ZX10 from a 70 roll on. Is this normal? I have never run a ZX10, but this seems odd to me.

[FastBikes4Life]

Rider. All rider. I say that because I have both beaten and been beaten by Hayabusas on my '05 GSX-R1000. It's more rider than bike.


Fast

[ATC'er]

Maybe he's using 3rd gear instead of 2nd?  2nd is good for 108 mph on stock gearing.

[Busa for hire]

I believe it. I had an 05 ten and at the strip it out e.t.ed and out mph my busa with the same mods. the ten is also much taller.
in a nutshell the zx-10 has as much horse in a much lighter package.

[crazybill]

dont discount anything just cuz its smaller... Im just finishing up a zx10 motor thats gonna eat all but the healthiest of busas !

[busa4speed]

Sorry that's not going to happen here I have ran a zx10 and won easily.

[Rokitman1300]

Have both bikes from a roll stock for stock the busa lose's everytime! If the front wheel does not go towards the sky on the 10

[gnd111]

My 1397 puts about 4-6 lengths on them so a stock Busa should get beat...

[busa4speed]

Are any of you ZX 10 guys live in Cincinnati if so let's meet up and settle this.

[BADBUSA4U]

Wat to shut them up busa4speed

[Mr.King]

I don't have any problems eating them up either......

[Hollywood08]

i have an '05 10r and my dad has a busa...and i had a busa b4 my 10r....

to me it feels the 10 has a more violent power but not enuf top end....the busa on the otherhand has a smoother power delivery but will eat up to 10 in the top end...now it does depend on rider as well...im sure you're gonna get both sides of the story...

fyi...my best time is a 10.07 @145 on my 10R v. the busa running a 10.2 @137 but thats just me  i may beat the busa off the line but the hp will make up for it at the other end of the track...

[Mospeada]

It's rider. All rider.

Busa4speed, if you run against a 10R, regardless of outcome, see if you can swap bikes. You may have a different result in which bike wins.

[Rocketgeezer]

If all bikes are stock and the (riders) know how the Busa wont beat a 1000 from a role, ZX10, GSXR1000, R1 I have road them all at one time or another, well maybe not the R1 it had to be twisted to the moon to get any good power, the 1000s will out pull the Busa, a little until you get up top 150+ then the Busa will get bye  now at the drags the Busa will probably win cause the liter bikes want to stand up. now this is with stock bikes and equal riders get a fly weight rider that really knows how or if the bikes have ben modded this all goes out the window

[EtrnlSoldier]

Actually, talking about an 05 ZX-10R, stock for stock, in a straight line, the Gen1 Busa will creep away from it slowly until you hit around 140.  At that point and beyond, the Busa pulls away hard.  How do I know?  My best friend and riding partner had an 05 ZX-10R when my Busa was stock.  We tested them over and over, from most speeds, even switching bikes.  We took them to track days together.  We are approximately the same weight and riding skill.  The Busa wins every time.  Note the qualifying statement of "in a straight line."  On a road race track, with equal riders, pretty much any year model of the ZX-10 is the faster choice. 

The newer ZX-10's make more horsepower than the 04-05 version.  Can't tell you what those will do against a Gen1 Busa. 

Here we are loafing about on the warm-up lap and slowing down for the photographer:

[gnd111]

All depends on the rider.  04/05 ZX10's trap 140mph witha 200lb rider JUST LIKE A BUSA...

Ask GeorgeC - he has both and in 95heat / 95 humidity he trapped 143mph on a 2005 ZX10R with slip on and u4.  His Busa never trapped that mod for mod...

[EtrnlSoldier]

All depends on the rider.  04/05 ZX10's trap 140mph witha 200lb rider JUST LIKE A BUSA...

Ask GeorgeC - he has both and in 95heat / 95 humidity he trapped 143mph on a 2005 ZX10R with slip on and u4.  His Busa never trapped that mod for mod...

I'd have a hard time believing that, having the actual time in the seat versus that exact bike that I do.  My buddies 05 ZX-10 never even tied my Busa, stock for stock, even when we switched bikes, in a straight line.  In fact, even though I say we're close in weight, I'm a bit heavier than he is, by about 15-20 pounds.  And, the torque down low is incredibly different.  Whacking the 05 ZX-10 from 3-4K, it felt like a toy compared to the Busa.  Gutless until it's wound up.  Great track bike (way better than a Busa, and the track is where I do my high end riding as in, road race) but, please, let's keep our perspective here.  I've run against half a dozen 04-05 ZX-10's at the track.  They do NOT keep up with a stock Busa if they are stock as well, again, in a straight line.  The 06 and up ZX-10 may whack a Busa in a straight line but, the 04-05 will not. 

[IllusionalTA]

Pefect discussion, my buddy had both a 07 and a 05 zx10.. The 05 had a PCIII, Muzzy ti exhaust, and up2 in the rear, his 07 was box stock..  It seemed that neither one would keep up w/ my 04... from most speed's.. theonly time it really was close was from about 40-50mph to about 120 or so.. but only if we started low.. and the front end on his would stay down.. them things are a bear to keep planted.. I've rode both them frequently and they're really hard to ride WOT in the 1st 3 gear's... as they always wanna kiss the sky..

[gnd111]

All depends on the rider.  04/05 ZX10's trap 140mph witha 200lb rider JUST LIKE A BUSA...

Ask GeorgeC - he has both and in 95heat / 95 humidity he trapped 143mph on a 2005 ZX10R with slip on and u4.  His Busa never trapped that mod for mod...

I'd have a hard time believing that, having the actual time in the seat versus that exact bike that I do.  My buddies 05 ZX-10 never even tied my Busa, stock for stock, even when we switched bikes, in a straight line.  In fact, even though I say we're close in weight, I'm a bit heavier than he is, by about 15-20 pounds.  And, the torque down low is incredibly different.  Whacking the 05 ZX-10 from 3-4K, it felt like a toy compared to the Busa.  Gutless until it's wound up.  Great track bike (way better than a Busa, and the track is where I do my high end riding as in, road race) but, please, let's keep our perspective here.  I've run against half a dozen 04-05 ZX-10's at the track.  They do NOT keep up with a stock Busa if they are stock as well, again, in a straight line.  The 06 and up ZX-10 may whack a Busa in a straight line but, the 04-05 will not. 

Beleive what you want.  PM GeorgeC and ask.  My Busa had to have 2 intake cams / pipe/ pc / tune to trap 144mph with U4 and he was doing it on a next to stock 05 ZX10R.  His Busa never trapped that mph either in the same heat.  I have seen Busa's with experienced rider get beat (and ZX14's with less experienced riders) but a guy here in town that has ridden for less than 6 months and his 05 10R was slip on and tune on 89 pmp gas.  It was making 156 on the dyno (same as a stock Busa) and weighs 100lbs less - how can it not win???

The Busa TQ may be more prevalent below 80mph but do a roll from 80mph to 180mph and the 10R will own a Busa with similar riders.  It is the wheelie control that makes ALL liter bikes a tough one to ride.  Busa's get beat - and the get beat plenty as we know the street is different than the track...

[SPARKY1397R]

1k's own the roll races everywhere i have been(south fl and nw fl) 

[EtrnlSoldier]

All depends on the rider.  04/05 ZX10's trap 140mph witha 200lb rider JUST LIKE A BUSA...

Ask GeorgeC - he has both and in 95heat / 95 humidity he trapped 143mph on a 2005 ZX10R with slip on and u4.  His Busa never trapped that mod for mod...

I'd have a hard time believing that, having the actual time in the seat versus that exact bike that I do.  My buddies 05 ZX-10 never even tied my Busa, stock for stock, even when we switched bikes, in a straight line.  In fact, even though I say we're close in weight, I'm a bit heavier than he is, by about 15-20 pounds.  And, the torque down low is incredibly different.  Whacking the 05 ZX-10 from 3-4K, it felt like a toy compared to the Busa.  Gutless until it's wound up.  Great track bike (way better than a Busa, and the track is where I do my high end riding as in, road race) but, please, let's keep our perspective here.  I've run against half a dozen 04-05 ZX-10's at the track.  They do NOT keep up with a stock Busa if they are stock as well, again, in a straight line.  The 06 and up ZX-10 may whack a Busa in a straight line but, the 04-05 will not. 

Beleive what you want.  PM GeorgeC and ask.  My Busa had to have 2 intake cams / pipe/ pc / tune to trap 144mph with U4 and he was doing it on a next to stock 05 ZX10R.  His Busa never trapped that mph either in the same heat.  I have seen Busa's with experienced rider get beat (and ZX14's with less experienced riders) but a guy here in town that has ridden for less than 6 months and his 05 10R was slip on and tune on 89 pmp gas.  It was making 156 on the dyno (same as a stock Busa) and weighs 100lbs less - how can it not win???

The Busa TQ may be more prevalent below 80mph but do a roll from 80mph to 180mph and the 10R will own a Busa with similar riders.  It is the wheelie control that makes ALL liter bikes a tough one to ride.  Busa's get beat - and the get beat plenty as we know the street is different than the track...

I know Busas get beat.  And, I don't need to pm anyone to make sure.  Like I said, I've done it in real life dozens of times against different riders and the same rider while switching bikes.  Heck, I even showed a picture!  An 05 ZX-10R won't even do 180 mph stock, and if you look on zx-10r.net, most stock 04-05 10's make 139-145 rwhp on a non-happy dyno.  Just sayin...

[CADDYWOMPUS]

whats the altitude out there E soldier?

  Just wondering cause if its high then both bikes are going to be wheezing .. and way off on power
Jeeze I just head up into Va. mountains at 2-3000 ft and feels like i've got one  spark plug unhooked

These bike are so stupid fast these days  I dont even care whos a spit second faster They all scare me  good... HaHAA!!!

[gnd111]

10R with slip on and U4 with a DA of almost 3000ft and a 215lb suited rider....143mph

My Busa never got close to that...

[EtrnlSoldier]

whats the altitude out there E soldier?

  Just wondering cause if its high then both bikes are going to be wheezing .. and way off on power
Jeeze I just head up into Va. mountains at 2-3000 ft and feels like i've got one  spark plug unhooked

These bike are so stupid fast these days  I dont even care whos a spit second faster They all scare me  good... HaHAA!!!

Vegas is approx. 2500 ft. above sea level.  But I occasionally ride to BrianHead Utah which is 10,000 feet above sea level.  The 05 ZX-10 is NOT comparable to a Busa at ANY speed (in a straight line, of course), off of the line, roll-on, etc.  The later models may very well be.  But the 05 model IS NOT.  I've got more head to head experience between this bike and a stock Busa that I can even explain, on both bikes.  Fantastic track bike that will leave the Busa behind on a tight track with equal riders.  Straight line against a Busa stock for stock (or even with similar mods) is a losing bet, at any speed or type of race/roll-on.  Every single time.  No joke, no big deal, and I've seen it in person on dozens of occasions.  Keep your pm's and your false bets.  There's the real scoop. I don't give strong opinions if I'm not 100 percent sure of what I'm talking about.  This is one of those times.

[EtrnlSoldier]

All depends on the rider.  04/05 ZX10's trap 140mph witha 200lb rider JUST LIKE A BUSA...

Ask GeorgeC - he has both and in 95heat / 95 humidity he trapped 143mph on a 2005 ZX10R with slip on and u4.  His Busa never trapped that mod for mod...

I'd have a hard time believing that, having the actual time in the seat versus that exact bike that I do.  My buddies 05 ZX-10 never even tied my Busa, stock for stock, even when we switched bikes, in a straight line.  In fact, even though I say we're close in weight, I'm a bit heavier than he is, by about 15-20 pounds.  And, the torque down low is incredibly different.  Whacking the 05 ZX-10 from 3-4K, it felt like a toy compared to the Busa.  Gutless until it's wound up.  Great track bike (way better than a Busa, and the track is where I do my high end riding as in, road race) but, please, let's keep our perspective here.  I've run against half a dozen 04-05 ZX-10's at the track.  They do NOT keep up with a stock Busa if they are stock as well, again, in a straight line.  The 06 and up ZX-10 may whack a Busa in a straight line but, the 04-05 will not. 

The Busa TQ may be more prevalent below 80mph but do a roll from 80mph to 180mph and the 10R will own a Busa with similar riders.

Bro, I hate to tell you this but, this is pure malarky.  Damn.  From 80 mph on?  I've DONE that roll-on.  DOZENS of times.  Like I said before, the Busa creeps slowly away until about 140, then pulls away HARD, leaving the ZX-10R so far behind as to be laughable.  And does so QUICKLY.  I really like the ZX-10R and, was so impressed when I rode one at the Spring Mountain Motorsports Park that, I nearly bought an 05 model for a dedicated track bike.  But, outrun a Busa in a straight line???  Not a chance.  I like to live in the real world.  The freakin' ZX-10R won't even DO 180 mph stock!