2006 Hayabusa vs 2005 ZX10

[gnd111]

Whatever.  Take it to South FL and get whipped.  Ace and Deezuhl will tell you straight up!   

[EtrnlSoldier]

Whatever.  Take it to South FL and get whipped.  Ace and Deezuhl will tell you straight up!   

LOL.  Ok.  Next time I'm in South Florida with my Busa, it's ON! 



























I can say that safely because it's not likely to ever happen!

[gsx1300Rrr]

I dont know if a 2005 cbr 1000rr is a lot slower then the zx10r but if they are similar, then I raced one about 7 times and won each time from highway roll ons. 

[street racer]

I previously owned a 2006 Busa and last year (foolishly) traded it in for a new, left over, 2006 GSXR1000. Current mods are -1/+2, set valve removed, HMF slip-on, lowered front and rear and a few cosmetic mods. Holy crap...this bike is like riding a bottle rocket. It is so light and so responsive it scares the crap outta me everytime I ride it. Anyone have a 2007 RED Busa they would like to trade for a low mileage 2006 GSXR1000 and some cash??

Anyway, I have raced 3 Busas on the street. 2 from a rolling start and one from a standing start. I beat all three easily. The 2 from a rolling start were strangers so dont know what they were running. The standing start was a friend of mine with a stocker except for a pair of Two Bros slip ons. He took me off the line as I cant give the GSXR full throttle in first gear. However, a short shift to second left him in the dust. I backed off about 155 so dont know if he would have caught me at a higher speed. Point is, the light weight of the liter bikes really help acceleration. Doesnt mean a Busa cant beat them but a stocker may have a problem.

Here are a couple of pics of my last Busa and my present bike before the slip on was added.

[street racer]

UPDATED CURRENT PICTURE

[bquinn]

they are different beast for sure.  With 1000's, the rider's skill has a lot more to do with the outcome being they are wheelie machines.  I could run 5mph more on the top end with my 05 1k over my busa, but 1/8 mile my busa would destroy the 1000.

I'm just glad there is such great competition out there...keeps the manufactures and us riders asking for more from our machines 

[Jesse James]

Unless your drag racing. Why would you change the stock gearing on your K6 1000?

Shit my K6 would wheelie in 3rd with just throttle, only had a BMC street filter

[street racer]

Unless your drag racing. Why would you change the stock gearing on your K6 1000?

Shit my K6 would wheelie in 3rd with just throttle, only had a BMC street filter

Hmmmmm...could say>  first gear is too tall (101 at redline), maximum torque too high up the rpm scale (9000 RPM), had 6" extensions which I removed, etc. etc.  But the real reason I have the gearing is it scares the crap outta me everytime I ride it...whoot !!! whoot!!!

[slodsm]

I dont know if a 2005 cbr 1000rr is a lot slower then the zx10r but if they are similar, then I raced one about 7 times and won each time from highway roll ons. 

Not a night and day difference, but the power delivery is different between the two. The 10r comes on a lot harder and makes a few more HP to the wheel stock.

[bquinn]

Well I got a chance to play around with my buddy on his 05 ZX10R this weekend.  His bike is bone stock except for a slip-on.  He weighs 185lbs.

My bike - 01 busa, full ti-force, small box mod, light wheels, 66in wb, stock gearing, lowered.  I weigh 180lbs.  Bike made 174rwhp over the winter.

We did roll-on after roll-on starting in 1st, 2nd, and 3rd gear.  We were dead even until about 150-155mph then I would start to pull away pretty easily.  If we started low enough in his rpms I would jump ahead due to the torque, but as soon as he got up in the rpms that would stop.

We did some similar test back a few months ago when it wasn't 85degrees and humid.  Then I would pull away in each gear slightly, but with the current weather his bike seemed to run a bit better.  Probably due to my bike being tuned during the winter months in a cold dyno room!

Another note, my 05 GSX-R1000 would eat his ZX10R alive.  With just a slip-on and +2 in the rear I would pull 4-5 bike lengths on him every time.

[Busashot]

The Big Bore Bike Vs. Litre Bike controversy. I'm only comparing litre bikes against 99-07 Hayabusas and 06-08 ZX14s.

Here is my take from many years of experience. Early years I do not mention R1s or CBR1K as they really didn't show enough promise till 05 and up. Also assuming rider weights are the same or within 10lbs. Stock to stock. Modified on any bike can change the outcome by a little.

01-02 GSXR1K Vs. Hayabusa >>> Hayabusa wins from Dig, Roll-on, etc.
03-04 GSXR1K Vs. Hayabusa >>> Hayabusa wins "     " " "     " "
05-06 GSXR1K, ZX10, R1, CBR1K Vs. Hayabusa >>> Hayabusa wins from Dig, Most litre bikes win on roll-ons
07-08 GSXR1K, ZX10, R1, CBR1K  Vs. Hayabusa >>> Hayabusa wins half the time from a Dig, ZX14s win from the dig, litre bikes win on roll-ons(the GSXR1Ks are quite a bit heavier than the 05-06 and probably run like the 03-04s)

Most big bore motorcycles have big riders. Ranging from 200lbs to 350lbs. A lot of the litre bike fiders are 100lb to 200lbs. Yes rider skill can play a part in outcomes but sorry to say, today's litre bikes are hard to beat even with the new ZX14s and Hayabusas.

I use to race my 2001 Hayabusa that made only 165hp geared -1/+1 Vs. 2002 GSXR1K that made 158hp geared -1/-2. Friend was 215lbs suited and I weighed 230lbs suited. From 1st gear to 5th gear it was neck and neck with him slightly ahead by a tire then I would pull through 6th. 2nd gear to 6th neck and neck and I pull slightly at top of 5th then pull harder in 6th. Qtr mile I would have him by .20 with trap speed about the same. I fight the crappy Busa clutch as he fights the wheelie issues. My 60ft was about a tenth better on average. IMO, the 05-06 GSXR1Ks are very quick and pose the biggest threats of all the litre bikes. I believe Suzuki truly did it right with those model years. The new ones just don't have the midrange grunt and pull a lot higher rpm for peak power #s.

[street racer]

The Big Bore Bike Vs. Litre Bike controversy. I'm only comparing litre bikes against 99-07 Hayabusas and 06-08 ZX14s.

Here is my take from many years of experience. Early years I do not mention R1s or CBR1K as they really didn't show enough promise till 05 and up. Also assuming rider weights are the same or within 10lbs. Stock to stock. Modified on any bike can change the outcome by a little.

01-02 GSXR1K Vs. Hayabusa >>> Hayabusa wins from Dig, Roll-on, etc.
03-04 GSXR1K Vs. Hayabusa >>> Hayabusa wins "     " " "     " "
05-06 GSXR1K, ZX10, R1, CBR1K Vs. Hayabusa >>> Hayabusa wins from Dig, Most litre bikes win on roll-ons
07-08 GSXR1K, ZX10, R1, CBR1K  Vs. Hayabusa >>> Hayabusa wins half the time from a Dig, ZX14s win from the dig, litre bikes win on roll-ons(the GSXR1Ks are quite a bit heavier than the 05-06 and probably run like the 03-04s)

Most big bore motorcycles have big riders. Ranging from 200lbs to 350lbs. A lot of the litre bike fiders are 100lb to 200lbs. Yes rider skill can play a part in outcomes but sorry to say, today's litre bikes are hard to beat even with the new ZX14s and Hayabusas.

I use to race my 2001 Hayabusa that made only 165hp geared -1/+1 Vs. 2002 GSXR1K that made 158hp geared -1/-2. Friend was 215lbs suited and I weighed 230lbs suited. From 1st gear to 5th gear it was neck and neck with him slightly ahead by a tire then I would pull through 6th. 2nd gear to 6th neck and neck and I pull slightly at top of 5th then pull harder in 6th. Qtr mile I would have him by .20 with trap speed about the same. I fight the crappy Busa clutch as he fights the wheelie issues. My 60ft was about a tenth better on average. IMO, the 05-06 GSXR1Ks are very quick and pose the biggest threats of all the litre bikes. I believe Suzuki truly did it right with those model years. The new ones just don't have the midrange grunt and pull a lot higher rpm for peak power #s.

Good analysis !!! I owned a 2006 Busa and my present ride is a 2006 GSXR1000. The Gixxer is sooooo much lighter.  If the Busa weighed as little as the Gixxer it would be a monster for sure !!

[NOMRLZ]

my wife had this same bike.  i did a write up on another board but in short.  i don't know how you can even compare the two (cept they are both fast).  they do everything the opposite.  her bike was a rocket up to 140-50 then hit a brick wall.  were as my busa didn't hit the wall till more like 170 stock.  now, they are a perfect pair to have in the stable   

[bquinn]

I've got a video I need to get posted up that shows a 0-170mph run on my 05 GSX-R1000.  That thing was a beast!  And yes, the speedo was accurate to 1mph (speedo healer, checked with friends vette, and it shut down exactly when the speedo hit 186mph).

After about 2000 miles on my busa I can honestly say my 1000 would destroy the busa as long as we didn't take off in 1st gear.  2nd gear through 5th gear the busa would have no chance...and I've run a 9.35 on my stock motor busa.

Those 05-06 Zooks were the sh*t 

[street racer]

I've got a video I need to get posted up that shows a 0-170mph run on my 05 GSX-R1000.  That thing was a beast!  And yes, the speedo was accurate to 1mph (speedo healer, checked with friends vette, and it shut down exactly when the speedo hit 186mph).

After about 2000 miles on my busa I can honestly say my 1000 would destroy the busa as long as we didn't take off in 1st gear.  2nd gear through 5th gear the busa would have no chance...and I've run a 9.35 on my stock motor busa.

Those 05-06 Zooks were the sh*t 

Would really like to see the video ! 

[03busa40th]

Rider. All rider. I say that because I have both beaten and been beaten by Hayabusas on my '05 GSX-R1000. It's more rider than bike.


Fast

Wow is it that hard to go in a strait line and shift??? I dont have a problem with it.
I think the rider wieght has a lot more to do with it than skill, unless they are a squid.

[Mospeada]

Rider. All rider. I say that because I have both beaten and been beaten by Hayabusas on my '05 GSX-R1000. It's more rider than bike.


Fast

Wow is it that hard to go in a strait line and shift??? I dont have a problem with it.
I think the rider wieght has a lot more to do with it than skill, unless they are a squid.

You'd be suprised to see how some riders don't shift fast at all, or even clutchless shift....

Or don't tuck any where near all the way down...

Or are stepping on the back brake not realizing they are doing it...

Or are not even giving it WOT because they didn't realize they can twist even more...



Yes, it is the rider.

[runandgun7]

 

[071300r]

horsepower isnt the thing that makes you go faster it is a common mistake.. horsepower = top end.... torque is what gets you there and I could be wrong but a stock zx10 has the same as the rest of the 1000's about 78 ft lbs...   the busa has 113 ft lbs...  now there is about 100 lbs of weight difference from the bikes .. but I still believe that the rider makes the bike....  And I am just adding my 2 cents not trying to start some shi@ but read any artical on horsepower and torque or ask a good mechanic and torque is the key....

[PowerAdder]

used to have a friend that had an 05ZX-10R with akro exhaust and tune, that was a freaky ass fast bike, just one of those freak bikes that makes more HP than it was suppose to, it made 174 on a dyno and 5 minutes later a 05 busa with similar mods made 167...this tells me the dyno was rather accurate, That kawi was no joke

[PowerAdder]

funny part is he sold it for an 08 and know wants the 05 back cause it was faster to him

[gnd111]

funny part is he sold it for an 08 and know wants the 05 back cause it was faster to him

My 05 with exhaust and PC3 made 153rwhp.  His may have been good but that dyno in general sounds high.  Get a 1/4 mph with DA and that will tell the tale...

[EtrnlSoldier]

used to have a friend that had an 05ZX-10R with akro exhaust and tune, that was a freaky ass fast bike, just one of those freak bikes that makes more HP than it was suppose to, it made 174 on a dyno and 5 minutes later a 05 busa with similar mods made 167...this tells me the dyno was rather accurate, That kawi was no joke

Most of them made 142-147. 

Great bikes but, they weren't that fast in a straight line back then.

[gnd111]

But still faster than Gen 1 Busa's with the same rider...       

[dave3.4]

Rider. All rider. I say that because I have both beaten and been beaten by Hayabusas on my '05 GSX-R1000. It's more rider than bike.


Fast

Wow is it that hard to go in a strait line and shift??? I dont have a problem with it.
I think the rider wieght has a lot more to do with it than skill, unless they are a squid.

theres more to it then that..definetly  the rider