2008 Hayabusa vs 2008 ZX-14 on the dyno

[moregpz]

Around here D&D IS THE KING OF THE SQUID EXHAUSTS!

[BLUR AKA SIDEWAYS AKA KING OF SOUTH FLORIDA]

Around here D&D IS THE KING OF THE SQUID EXHAUSTS!

yeah...but they sound cool

[gnd111]

Well in this area if I could only choose between the Muzzy and a yosh it would never be the Yosh, Every squid that comes in the shop and buys a bike wants a yosh it has to be the biggest squid exhaust out there.

Stock bore, small box mod, 2 intake cams, PC3 and a full Yosh system - 178rwhp...

They Yosh RS3 SS looks TONS better, sounds TONS better and performs at LEAST as well...

[gjp1300]

I don't know why you guys would even put Muzzy in the same sentence with Yosh,the Muzzy is far from squid exhaust and they make comparable power to any of the high dollar exhausts like the Akro,Ti-Force and so on.I've had Muzzy pipes on 2 of my last 3 busas and on a stock motor with no airbox or intake cam mods my 2000 made 168hp,then I gutted my airbox and it made 171 hp and at the track I ran 9.50 to 9.52 @ 147 to 148 mph,stock wheel base,just lowered.My 2005 made 167hp no mods,the Muzzy is a great pipe and it sounds good,alot of my friends had their bikes tuned on the same dyno I did and their high dollar pipes made the same power as my bike,so in my experience on a stock motored busa the Muzzy can't be beat dollar for dollar,oh and one of my friends had a Yosh on his bike and had it on the same dyno and it only made 162hp,theres no comparson between the two,the Yosh is a ok pipe,the muzzy kicks ass for performance and price.

[Bently1]

Muzzy never ran good on my bike I picked up .15 with a Brock.

[gnd111]

Muzzy and Yosh are both nothing compared to HMF and Brock...Period...

[Bently1]

Muzzy and Yosh are both nothing compared to HMF and Brock...Period...

Can't speak for hmf but your right about the Brocks

[stan1300]

Run a yosh on my 2000 busa, nice fit and weight saving but in turns of power brock gen 3 rocks. Word is the muzzy mades more power than the yosh pipe. 

[Tybalt71]

I'll agree to disagree lol, YOSH has the $, the experience and the relationship with Suzuki to do all the R&D etc on any and all Suz bikes including i bet they had there hands on an 08 busa to do the  testing and developement they needed. all do respect to BROCKS, HMF, MUZZY, they have accomplished great things in thier development and kudos to them, i just dont think you can beat experience, time and most of all $$$$$$$$ to put out an all around product like quality and performance, I have run YOSH forever and the sound, performance and quality out of my YOSH Tri-Oval Dual tip exhaust, I have seen no where, where they can touch it, and such a distinct sound it makes, my bros hear me come from miles away and are freaked out when i open her up and wind it out.

[ChrisCoupe]

yosh doesnt make shit for power comapared to Brock,HMF or Muzzy..................yosh has some big dollar exhausts that they sell but the tri oval and rs3 stuff again no comparison to the other companys..............when i say big dollar yosh i mean one of the guys out at the 9/10ths had a yosh gp exhaust that was 2400 dollars and it was supposed to make awesome power but i never saw a dyno on that pipe...........bike ran like a champ though..........

[BADBUSA4U]

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME DYNO CHARTS FOR SOME OF THESE STOCK BIKES IN THE 170'S.
I HAVE A STAINLESS MUZZY FULL SYSTEM.
TRE
BMC RACE
SMALL BOX MOD
PAIR BLOCK OFFS
PC3 USB
QUASAR MAP

I MADE 163RWHP

[Bently1]

I would say your pretty low might just be the dyno. My 04 busa with Brocks gen 3 and map made 169, Ny Buddys 05 with Brocks Gen 3 and small box mod and Brocks map made 171 on the same dyno.  But I will say I picked up .15 in the 1/4 going from My Muzzy system to Brocks so If i would have dynoed it with the Muzzy I may have been close to your hp.

[Falcon-A]

My only comment on the pipe arguement is for all you Yosh guys, and I have Yosh on my wheeler right now, and had it on my last one an $865 full titanium on a Z400. I sold Yosh to many people, and have a lot of experience dealing with Yoshimura company. The company sucks pure and simple.
 I have been lied to, and treated like shit repeatedly. I am not going to go into details, its just the way they operate. All I can comment on as far as the product, be ready to see dumb shit happen to it afterwhile, such as them using soft steel screws in end caps that need to come off and on, but they will use stainless steel screws everywhere else??
 The one on my King quad had started falling apart within a year.
 Good luck with it, its flashy poorly made and the company sucks.

[gjp1300]

I hate to tell but Muzzy makes just as much power as Brocks,Brock put alot of time into his mapping your not just getting a basic map off the Dyno Jet site,we customized my map at ECP for the Muzzy,my 2000 with the Muzzy made 168 hp and after I did a full mod on the airbox it made 171 hp on a dyno which is not happy,I was going 147 to 148 mph @ 9.50 to 9.52 lowered and strapped at Lebanon Vally,NY which is 2500 ft above sea level with short times only in the 1.62 to 1.65 range which is OK,if I was able to put it in the 1.55's it would have gone 9.30's,one tenth on the bottom is two on top ET wise,the bike was making power and tuned properly and no other bikes were running that MPH stock motored and I wiegh 175 in leathers.If you didn't go fast with the Muzzy than you werent tuned properly cause they make just as much power as Brocks,Akro,or Ti-Force,I've seen alot of dyno runs at ECP's shop and Muzzy is even or within or a HP of all the big dollar pipes,all the pipes are close except for the Yosh from what I've seen they are always three or more HP low my friends 2000 only made 162 HP with a Yosh.So,BENTLY

[gjp1300]

Posted by: Bently1 
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Muzzy never ran good on my bike I picked up .15 with a Brock.
I don't think it was a peak power issue Bently it was probably your mapping with the Muzzy,Brocks map was better tuned for his pipe,to pick up .15 tenths in ET you would need to gain 8 to 10 hp over the Muzzy and I don't think you gained that,I bet if you laid the two Dyno sheets from both pipes over each other your low and midrange was better due to a better tune with Brocks,so depending on what RPM your leaving the line especiallyif you leave the line low,did your MPH change or just ET,just curious.I know the Muzzy tuned right will run with any other pipe so for you to say you picked up .15 in ET,and I'm not saying you didnt,I don't think it was the pipe it was probably your tune.If you build your motor there are other pipes that will perform better but on a stock motor the Muzzy is right there,my bike ran extremely well cause of the extra time tuning it,just like Brock does with his pipe.

[Bently1]

I say it was some pipe and some of Brocks mapping, his maps always work very well in my area. I also picked up 2.5 to 3 mph. there is no one in my area with any dyno tuning skills so for the money Brocks is the best way to go as fast as I can. If you figure in his maps and someone not needing to pay for a dyno session his pipes are a great buy imo.

[EtrnlSoldier]

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME DYNO CHARTS FOR SOME OF THESE STOCK BIKES IN THE 170'S.
I HAVE A STAINLESS MUZZY FULL SYSTEM.
TRE
BMC RACE
SMALL BOX MOD
PAIR BLOCK OFFS
PC3 USB
QUASAR MAP

I MADE 163RWHP

This was in the summer when the air was VERY hot and not so good.  It makes a bit more in fall/wintertime, which is cool because that's when I do most of my riding(we don't have much of a winter around here).  Mods are similar to what you have.  HMF Duals, Small box mod, BMC race filter, Ivan's TRE (basic one).  My mapping was done at the DynoJet R&D facility.  I like Quasar but, his map didn't work at all for me.  It was waaaay too rich.  Perhaps that's why you're down on hp. 

[moregpz]

Any pipe is an improvement over stock at 10,000 rpm .But the pipe that separates the men from the boys is the pipe that improves the power from the bottom of the rpm range to the top with no losses! With that in mind the Akro is the best!

[gjp1300]

Your torque is low for a piped busa with the HMF good HP though,stock my 2000 and 2005 made 158 hp and 99 ftlb of torque and I believe my 2000 with the Muzzy was 168 hp and 102 ftlbs of torque with no air box mods.

[BADBUSA4U]

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[gnd111]

Yosh pipe/ small box/ pc3 / map    168/102  Seems about par for the course...

[stan1300]

News from Rob Muzzy 2008 zx14 >>>We have just finished exhaust pipe testing on the 08. First let me say that for some reason the stock bike is very rich from the factory. The bike we tested was down about 2 HP over the 06 and 07 bikes. We then installed a Power Commander and mapped. The results netted a 7 HP gain over the previous years. We then began pipe testing, the MUZZY M10 produced 189HP, and the new M14 produced 194HP. We then removed the Flies and put VP M11 in the fuel tank. Results where a very impressive 200.6 HP. The bike had 485 miles on the odometer. We have not tested the 08 Busa and can not make any comparisons.

Just passing along info.