200HP!

[newbusaguy]

Ok so now that I have your attention my question is:

Can you get a stock 1300cc motor to 200 HP w/o the use of NOS or a turbo?

If so then what mods need to be done to get to this mark besides a Power Commander, Full exhaust custom map and Port and polish of the heads?

Thanks,
James

[TrickTom1]

not a stock 1300 motor, you got too many limitations here, loosen up a little 

[newbusaguy]

So what you would have to bore over and go something lilke a 1397 kit to get that kinda HP?

[glenn71]

Its possible but an honest 200hp stock bore wouldn,t be very streetable.compression,head,cam,large airbox,short stacks would get you into the low to mid 190,s true horsepower though,but would lack the busa urge under 6000.Strangely enough but improving the fuel systems flow rate may not show up on a dyno but the bike will pull better on the road like its been let off the leash.

[Jonesy]

On CrazyBill's Port-Tech site they're claiming low to mid 190's with the two intake cam and their high torque port work on a 1300.  Not sure what other mods were required, but this is right off his site.


 

INTRODUCING OUR NEW MAX TORQUE HEAD !
THIS IS OUR NEWEST PORT DESIGN FOR STOCK BORE TO 1397 ENGINES USING 2 INTAKE CAMS OR SMALL AFTERMARKET CAMS . OUR STOCK BORE ENGINES MAKE MID-HIGH 190'S HP/112 FT LBS TORQUE ,  OUR TEST 1397 WITH 2 INTAKE CAMS  MADE 210HP/125 FT LBS OF TORQUE !

You wont find a better head for a budget streetbike build !!!
ONLY 650.00 !!!!!!!!!!!!

[Mospeada]

You would definately need intake cam mod/small cams and some pistons to get there, along with all the other BPU stuff.

To reach the 'magical' 200 number with the above, you'd have to have a non-o-ring chain, 0 weight oil at 'low' level, high psi rear tire, airbox lid....in other words is possible on a dyno but for street use not really.

Trust me, intake cam mod/pistons and all the bpu stuff should more than make you a happy camper.

[crazybill]

 93oct. speedway pump gas , 378 intake/stock intake on exhaust and JE drop ins . I went with the JE pistons because it had a small dry kit on it as well . Its a borderline single battery combination .
 Im going to try my new head on the stock busa motor in my gsxr600 this winter . I think I can make over 200 with the lighter stock pistons and an angle mill on the head . Depends somewhat on if that roaring toyz pipe is worth a damn .     Ill do a baseline first .

btw , I run tsubaki 530 sigma o-ring chains and NEVER run low oil level (I run maxima 10w40) .

 Dyno numbers are what they are though , its a tuning tool . Dont put too much stress on a cool dyno chart for your street bike . Youll never feel the difference between 190 and 195 (for example) .

[crazybill]

I invite member Johnnycrash to post his opinion of this motor combo . He had the first stock bore with the first version of this head . (there have been a couple changes since then)

[TrickTom1]

i agree with drop in pistons, cams and head work it would do it. That's not a stock motor though...

[genarr3]

Ok so now that I have your attention my question is:

Can you get a stock 1300cc motor to 200 HP w/o the use of NOS or a turbo?

If so then what mods need to be done to get to this mark besides a Power Commander, Full exhaust custom map and Port and polish of the heads?

Thanks,
James

Besides what you already have listed, cams and drop in pistions should do it.

[gazza414]

So who has built a gen 200rwhp stock bore stock stroke motor with no power adders?


and after everyone has posted their results we can all argue the toss over the dyno.....

[whtrthanu]

186 pump gas with stock bore pistons, some mild cams, he has around 10k miles on it no b/s........Those numbers are SAE figures, im sure you could run oxy fuel and in mine shaft air conditions it would make 200hp

[TrickTom1]

So who has built a gen 200rwhp stock bore stock stroke motor with no power adders?


and after everyone has posted their results we can all argue the toss over the dyno.....

Carpenter claims 210 on his site

[midnight black man]

stock bore , 13.2 cr ,  .395/.378 , ported head and ti force sumo...starts with stock battery...superflow dyno...

[johnnycrash]

I invite member Johnnycrash to post his opinion of this motor combo . He had the first stock bore with the first version of this head . (there have been a couple changes since then)

When I first got this motor back and Bill told me it had made 196 on the dyno I have to admit I was skeptical.  But ... after one ride I was a believer - it pulled like a freight train.  I was happy with that motor, but am even more happy with the 1397 I had him build me next.  I have roughly 6k miles on this one - all hard street miles.   

[crazybill]

12.3-1 , 378 intake cam / stock intake cam on ex. / muzzy pipe / very mildly ported head /stock battery / speedway pump gas

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v174/crazybill1397/?action=view&current=ADoddstockboremtr-2.jpg

I think 210 is borderline possible , but I dont see any reason to squeeze a stock size motor that tight and believe it would have to be on mr9/mrxo1 with ideal dyno conditions . No way it could be a daily use combo .

[Rocketgeezer]

200 HP on a stock bore and strock motor is definatly possable, but unless you have a shop that likes you getting there will cost much more than its worth, and you would most likely be stuck with running race gas all the time, the 1397 or 1440 setup would probably be less money, MAY run on pump gas and would get 200 HP a lot easyer

[BATTMAN]

I agree.  why build a stock bore for more than you can build a 1397.  You may get similar hp numbers from it but it will never get similar tq numbers from it.

[2wheels478]

 

[SPARKY1397R]

any shop can hit 200hp with almost anything,  i'd like to see chuck wilburn's thoughts on this. 

so you're saying head work and off the shelf cams,  pump gas can throw down 200rwhp? 

[Mospeada]

160 rwhp on a bone stock Busa?! That's high! Average is 150-153 bone stock, low 160's for pipe/pc/filter.

But who cares.

So long as it runs well at the track.

[Billy D]

160 rwhp on a bone stock Busa?! That's high! Average is 150-153 bone stock, low 160's for pipe/pc/filter.

I agree with this statement.

[Jonesy]

My bike on a "conservative dyno" haha whatever, made 156/96 with the large air box mod/filter/RS3 system on a stock tune.  The same dyno a pipe/pc3/??? ZX14 made 162. 

What I'm getting at is in the end, ET is the only thing that matters to me.  HP numbers are something to guide me to ET when it's unknown on my bike.

[mike46]

160 rwhp on a bone stock Busa?! That's high! Average is 150-153 bone stock, low 160's for pipe/pc/filter.

I agree with this statement.

I agree too.

[Rocketgeezer]

160 rwhp on a bone stock Busa?! That's high! Average is 150-153 bone stock, low 160's for pipe/pc/filter.

I agree with this statement.

I agree too.

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