200HP!

[Johnnnycheese]

160 rwhp on a bone stock Busa?! That's high! Average is 150-153 bone stock, low 160's for pipe/pc/filter.

But who cares.

So long as it runs well at the track.

I have seen 164 and even lost money on this bet.
on my stingy dyno

[whtrthanu]

yep my dyno says the same numbers 152-154 stock busa............i think I smell somethin!!!!

[Rocketgeezer]

Ron your original post said everthing was stock except the pipe powercomander air box, and having the head ported, at first you did not say you had the none stock cams and the comprestion was raised, do you have a idea what the comp ratio is now? with the comp raised, the cams, and portwork I don't doubt that you got mid 190s, if you were to keep trying this and that, maybe advance or retard the cams a bit, or differant cams entirely, maybe another pipe, 200 HP can be gotten but as I said before its a big pain in the ass, if you got 195 out of your motor now the 1440 setup with the same mods may get 220

[mike46]

Ron your original post said everthing was stock except the pipe powercomander air box, and having the head ported, at first you did not say you had the none stock cams and the comprestion was raised, do you have a idea what the comp ratio is now? with the comp raised, the cams, and portwork I don't doubt that you got mid 190s, if you were to keep trying this and that, maybe advance or retard the cams a bit, or differant cams entirely, maybe another pipe, 200 HP can be gotten but as I said before its a big pain in the ass, if you got 195 out of your motor now the 1440 setup with the same mods may get 220

I agree about the CR though I'd add things really change if he decked the cylinder and tightened it up.

[Rocketgeezer]

Hey, guys  yesterday I was at a buds shop and he just finished up on a busa he did the motor on, stock bore, JE, 13to1s web cams surfaced head .020 valves springs, motor has 300-400 street miles made some pulls to see what it had, mid 160s  but this bike had some kind of fuel control I never heard of a box about half the size of a power commander could not seem to access it well enough to change map, but we disconnected it and the bike pulled 169, not sure if this box is screwed or if we should start hunting for something else? cams were set up by instructions on cam card & double checked, however the setup numbers seemed a bit high to me 106-108? now this bike runs good, no iseuss with power felt while riding, feels noticably stronger than stock, just HP #s not what they should be, .......... dyno checked ok we put my bike on it and its were its supposed to be, any ideas? or should that fuel controller get pitched for a powercommander?

[piratediverjefff]

160 rwhp on a bone stock Busa?! That's high! Average is 150-153 bone stock, low 160's for pipe/pc/filter.

I agree with this statement.

I agree too.

Me three

...me 4.Stock,mine made 153,and after HMF full exhaust/PC/complete remapping only made 162.

[1vapors]

Why waist money if all you want is 200 hp just put a dry shot on it with spary bars have Johnney tune it and go christmas shoping for the wife.

[Rocketgeezer]

Why waist money if all you want is 200 hp just put a dry shot on it with spary bars have Johnney tune it and go christmas shoping for the wife.

This dude wants to do that to but he wants as close to 200 as he can get without the spray, what started this is he hurt the motor and wanted it built back hopped up a little

[crazybill]

Hey, guys  yesterday I was at a buds shop and he just finished up on a busa he did the motor on, stock bore, JE, 13to1s web cams surfaced head .020 valves springs, motor has 300-400 street miles made some pulls to see what it had, mid 160s  but this bike had some kind of fuel control I never heard of a box about half the size of a power commander could not seem to access it well enough to change map, but we disconnected it and the bike pulled 169, not sure if this box is screwed or if we should start hunting for something else? cams were set up by instructions on cam card & double checked, however the setup numbers seemed a bit high to me 106-108? now this bike runs good, no iseuss with power felt while riding, feels noticably stronger than stock, just HP #s not what they should be, .......... dyno checked ok we put my bike on it and its were its supposed to be, any ideas? or should that fuel controller get pitched for a powercommander?

That spread (cam #'s) may be the only reason it starts hot considering they milled .02 off the head unless its squeezed pretty loose . what cams did they use and is there any headwork at all ?

[Rocketgeezer]

Hey, guys  yesterday I was at a buds shop and he just finished up on a busa he did the motor on, stock bore, JE, 13to1s web cams surfaced head .020 valves springs, motor has 300-400 street miles made some pulls to see what it had, mid 160s  but this bike had some kind of fuel control I never heard of a box about half the size of a power commander could not seem to access it well enough to change map, but we disconnected it and the bike pulled 169, not sure if this box is screwed or if we should start hunting for something else? cams were set up by instructions on cam card & double checked, however the setup numbers seemed a bit high to me 106-108? now this bike runs good, no iseuss with power felt while riding, feels noticably stronger than stock, just HP #s not what they should be, .......... dyno checked ok we put my bike on it and its were its supposed to be, any ideas? or should that fuel controller get pitched for a powercommander?

That spread (cam #'s) may be the only reason it starts hot considering they milled .02 off the head unless its squeezed pretty loose . what cams did they use and is there any headwork at all ?

Yes he did a mild cleanup port job, I saw the head before it was assembled, ports looked good but don't look like a lot of material had be removed, I don't remember what cams were used. I looked at the card, they were web cams but I didn't think to look at the cam #s I just thought the setup #s were a bit high, I was thinking 102-104 I may be off in my thinking cause most of my motor work has ben with car motors, I'm going back down there saturday to see if anythings ben done, one thing I did notice that didn't seem right was when the bike was on the dyno and it spooled up it just seemed to lag a bit on the runup, here again this may just be me cause the only other bike I have had any time with on the dyno is mine, and with the turbo it gives that dyno a real workout, don't lag at all but has a tough time trying to get good readings, the tire wants to spin, I did find out that fuel box is a "Rapid Bike" unit and it has its own way for adjustng the map don't work exactly like the PCs,   I think if this fuel box deal was right it would see a big improvment and on the starting, your probably right cause even hot this thing starts up just fine, in any case thanks for your input, when I see whats going on saturday I'l post back

[Jeremyg1283]

12.3-1 , 378 intake cam / stock intake cam on ex. / muzzy pipe / very mildly ported head /stock battery / speedway pump gas

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v174/crazybill1397/?action=view&current=ADoddstockboremtr-2.jpg

I think 210 is borderline possible , but I dont see any reason to squeeze a stock size motor that tight and believe it would have to be on mr9/mrxo1 with ideal dyno conditions . No way it could be a daily use combo .

was that a web cam?

[Red]

I rode the PirateDiverJeff's Gen 2 Hayabusa on Ortega highway ~ and I'm pretty sure it has over 200 at the crank .  .  . 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVs_x-rUVPU

[piratediverjefff]

I'm waitin' on Tan Jeff and Jeremy right now...

[Ghost-Geezer]

I believe I have crossed that threashold with 206 on a stock bore/stroke bike.  Headwork, cams, a bit of compression, a decent pipe, good tuning and there it is...........206 on pump gas.  And the air was not so good - lots of humidity. 

[turbo051k]

Chart says 50% humidity. I'd say thats pretty good.

[Ghost-Geezer]

Would have preferred 35-40%, but, ya can't always get what ya want.  I will say this, since the temps here have dropped from the low 80's into the mid to low 60's with lower humidity, the bike seems more responsive, so I went to straight 93 pump instead of 89 and it was like it got a "shot in the arm".  Yes, non-ethanol.

Go figure. 

BTW, I was comin' up to Roger's shop today and I came the back way on a windee two laner, and took a right to get to the stop sign on his street, about 1/4 mile down the road on the right.  As I turned right, a BMW sedan with tinted windows turned left from the other side of the street and got next to me.  At about 40, I heard a roar from the BMW and he jumped me by a car, I was still in first and hit it, and caught him, hit 2nd and went by him with the front end "very light", shifted at 11 and hit third and he was a dot in the mirror.........waited for him to come by at the next intersection and we waved to each other and I turned back around and went to the shop.  When he passed me as I was stopped I saw that he was in a "5-series".  Do they sell those with turbos, cuz I could have sworn that is what I heard when he jumped on me?  That turbo growel.
Just curious. 

[Sport]

HP?  Depends on the model.  A regular 5 series BMW has a turbo 4 with 240 HP or a turbo 6 with 300 HP or the M5 that has a twin turbo V8 with 560 HP.  The older M5s had a V10.  I had an M3 try me in my Vette the other day.  He was pretty quick from the start but ran out of motor into triple digits.  You said you nailed it in first.  How'd you keep the front down?  If I nail mine in 2nd the front end reaches for the sky and I'm stock!

[Ghost-Geezer]

I have that Brock's racing shock, bike is lowered 1 inch, and a bit over 3" in the McIntosh swingarm, plus, I rolled it on and did not whack it. 

[Jeremyg1283]

I believe I have crossed that threashold with 206 on a stock bore/stroke bike.  Headwork, cams, a bit of compression, a decent pipe, good tuning and there it is...........206 on pump gas.  And the air was not so good - lots of humidity.

well what cams are you using here and who did the work?

[Sport]

I have that Brock's racing shock, bike is lowered 1 inch, and a bit over 3" in the McIntosh swingarm, plus, I rolled it on and did not whack it.

Sounded like you did whack it but I forgot about your swing arm.

[piratediverjefff]

I believe I have crossed that threashold with 206 on a stock bore/stroke bike.  Headwork, cams, a bit of compression, a decent pipe, good tuning and there it is...........206 on pump gas.  And the air was not so good - lots of humidity.

well what cams are you using hear and would did the work?

...slow down on that little phone keyboard Jeremy(dude's fingers fly on that phone! ),if I didn't know what you were talking about/I wouldn't know what you were talking about.

[Ghost-Geezer]

I believe I have crossed that threashold with 206 on a stock bore/stroke bike.  Headwork, cams, a bit of compression, a decent pipe, good tuning and there it is...........206 on pump gas.  And the air was not so good - lots of humidity.

well what cams are you using here and who did the work?

Web and Rodney Williford. 

[Jeremyg1283]

what size lift on the cams?

[Ghost-Geezer]

.395/.395 I believe.  Did not have to shorten valve guides. Just springs/shims.

[Jeremyg1283]

93oct. speedway pump gas , 378 intake/stock intake on exhaust and JE drop ins . I went with the JE pistons because it had a small dry kit on it as well . Its a borderline single battery combination .
 Im going to try my new head on the stock busa motor in my gsxr600 this winter . I think I can make over 200 with the lighter stock pistons and an angle mill on the head . Depends somewhat on if that roaring toyz pipe is worth a damn .     Ill do a baseline first .

btw , I run tsubaki 530 sigma o-ring chains and NEVER run low oil level (I run maxima 10w40) .

 Dyno numbers are what they are though , its a tuning tool . Dont put too much stress on a cool dyno chart for your street bike . Youll never feel the difference between 190 and 195 (for example) .

this is what got you 210? this is awesome Bill!!
I can only get 91 octane in California.