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1600 +
« on: September 27, 2008, 11:23:30 PM »
Just wondering if anyone has any experience with the aftermarket cylinder heads and big stroker cranks to make the busa motor over 1600. What kind of hp, are they hard to build, do you have to get crazy with the head work, is it worth it? Just was looking to get some info on them. Anything is appreciated.

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Re: 1600 +
« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2008, 05:25:34 PM »
Who has an aftermarket cylinder head?

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Re: 1600 +
« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2008, 11:34:11 PM »
Muzzy I believe. Correct me if im wrong.

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Re: 1600 +
« Reply #3 on: September 29, 2008, 06:56:09 AM »
I think the only people involved with making stuff like that is schumacher racing, its for the pro stock engine they have been working on......no way is anyone getting their hands on that kind of stuff yet....

I had a 1673 last season, with of my big heads on it it made right around 280hp to the tire.....

I have a 1510 now with spray, and motor only its making about 255-260 in good air.....

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Re: 1600 +
« Reply #4 on: September 29, 2008, 03:25:19 PM »
word is on the monster busa motors, make the motor really BIG and a killer stock valve head.  I have seen plenty & have a friend with a 1610cc busa - its 1464 with a 6.25 weld up.

Those 9, 10, and 11 mil strokers are AWESOME but need tore down maybe every 20-30 runs - very heard on rod bearings.

Hope that helped.
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Re: 1600 +
« Reply #5 on: September 29, 2008, 04:36:59 PM »
For a 1650 you will want about a 2.1-2.4 sq inch port (depending wether you are drag racing or LSR) at the mcsa at 2.5" from the valve with a 1mm os valve with the throat at 89% and an overall taper increase of a few %. This combo will put the port velocity at about 310fps @ 28" and flow around 295 cfm at 28", the seat or "window" velocity will still be much higher than stock even with 1mm o/s size valves so trapped volume will be excellent even with huge cams.
Its possable with a stock casting, we have done a few, but its VERY easy to get into water and the spring seat. So the port needs to have a bent roof. You will need larger throttle bodies to maintain good overall taper. The heads also need to have bronze seats to make the valves last and should have bronze guides.

The stage 3 CNC program took quite a while to develop, and we had to sacrifice a cylinder head to the bandsaw to really get a good look inside to make certain the head would be durable. So far we have had excellent feed back on power and durability.
Excessive rod angle is the biggest problem.

A 1650 should be in the 265-275 range.  The stage 3 full CNC head is about $2500 complete built on you're core.
Jim

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Re: 1600 +
« Reply #6 on: September 29, 2008, 06:40:30 PM »
Yep!!!!!!!..........i cut alot of holes in that head :D.......Alot of welding and epoxy

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Re: 1600 +
« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2008, 02:05:17 PM »
Chuck, that sounds radical :)

Were working on an even more radical busa head right now... looking to test it this fall.  Its a dragrace only head with limited cooling.  I'm not so sure how durable this thing will be.
Jim

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Re: 1600 +
« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2008, 08:47:33 PM »
All you need is a stock valve head and a light piston...I won't go into details...but 280 isn't hard to get if it's setup right.

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Re: 1600 +
« Reply #9 on: October 13, 2008, 10:19:54 PM »
yup thats all...   
« Last Edit: October 13, 2008, 10:21:34 PM by crazybill »
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Re: 1600 +
« Reply #10 on: October 13, 2008, 10:27:33 PM »
 :rfl:
ya. i bet its a 1397 too

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Re: 1600 +
« Reply #11 on: October 14, 2008, 09:00:16 AM »
:rfl:
ya. i bet its a 1397 too


lol ....     
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Re: 1600 +
« Reply #12 on: October 14, 2008, 09:29:32 AM »
Just wondering if anyone has any experience with the aftermarket cylinder heads and big stroker cranks to make the busa motor over 1600. What kind of hp, are they hard to build, do you have to get crazy with the head work, is it worth it? Just was looking to get some info on them. Anything is appreciated.

One was dynoed today ~255 with mild cams in dyno where my 1397 made 220 and stock K8 is around 172 (if I remember correctly). We shall hear of the dynojet dyno numbers later this week. The 1397 number was before latest changes when +6 more.

The owner does not want to push it with aggressive cams while still running in so I have high expectations of this engine for next season when it gets cammed right. The owner is a local head maker and we can get specs from him at some point. Its very alike of something we posted earlier this spring on this board. Also an EAP definitions files should be avail for this bike.

p.s here is a video taken and published by the proud owner of this 1.7L busa when they measured the power.
http://kansiset.galleria.fi/kuvat/Hayabusa%20videot/12102008030.mp4

All tuning done by reflashing - no pc:s or other type of additional fuel computers on this bike. As you can see on the video the low rpm afr tuning is still not fully completed as the bike is still in development stage. Over 4000rpm the afr is making a very straight line.







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Re: 1600 +
« Reply #13 on: October 14, 2008, 03:56:47 PM »
how much power did this 1.7L make.......

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Re: 1600 +
« Reply #14 on: October 14, 2008, 04:37:56 PM »
Ahhh the "gear drive" bike  :lol:  sounds like the whine went away  :thumb:
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Re: 1600 +
« Reply #15 on: October 15, 2008, 02:41:45 PM »
Hey, I guess some people build slow shyt..I had a nice 1397..getting ready to do an 08 now...Wait til you get a load of it... :thumb:

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Re: 1600 +
« Reply #16 on: October 15, 2008, 07:36:01 PM »
how much power did this 1.7L make.......

230rwhp, dynostar dyno
240rwhp, dynojet dj250i dyno
254hp "crank" with negative losses measured on dynostar dyno

Like said, its an early development version. Eg. changing the exhaust to a megaphone did freshen the bottom end but not really changing anything at the top. The cams are very mild and I would expect to see some more power after updating the cams to ones which this kind of engine should have.