X-TRE

[Boost13r]

Anybody get one and see if it works? I know these '08s are sluggish first couple gears and for 1/8th mi. racing u need that grunt out of the hole?

[LQN4U]

www.calsprotbike.com has a write up on em, your gonna spend alot more on less mod whats the harm in trying it, When my 09 gets in, its the first thing I am gonna add

[StreetnTrack]

let me know if you need one.

[Boost13r]

I have the basic same setup on my'08 as my '03, 63in,air shf, pipe, USB, lowered, etc. Stock motor on pump gas, the '08 made 187 and the '03 made 170? The trq curve is broad as hell, stays above 100ft. lbs from 5400-9600rpm. Im 25lbs heavier but the hp and trq should offset that? Even though my 60ft off the bike is avg of 2mph slower in the 1/8 120+ for the '03 and 118+ for the '08 this with whatever gearing 17-44 or 17-42 same mph shifting at 11500 ? Bike just don't feel like it wants to rip outa hole??? 

[smithabusa]

I would be incredibly surprised to see any performance gain from a TRE.

If you are just after defeating the 186 mph restriction I offer the high gain plug and play switchable mod
www.boostbysmith.com/highgain.html

Greg

[Boost13r]

when mine gets here, I'll tell the track results. If u go to the website www.healtech-electronics.com , click on x-tre and go to dyno results and check out 2nd gear dyno?

[smithabusa]

when mine gets here, I'll tell the track results. If u go to the website www.healtech-electronics.com , click on x-tre and go to dyno results and check out 2nd gear dyno?

dont always believe everything you read on the internet 

[jeffw]

I'm looking for someone for testing of my JSDPro on a 08 Busa. I have had one working on 600/750/1ks for several months now, but need to try one on a busa.

Just like this xtre, you are going to need to cut one wire and crimp another.

[Boost13r]

My E-TRE is on bike does feel more responsive and revs quicker and harder, going to track thursday,will post results. I had one fluke pass which pulled 121.3mph and me weighing 235 w/gear ? But bike stayed in the 118's. I now have a 008 Shinko slick and tre set in 4th gear map with same gearing(17-42).

[Boost13r]

X-TRE works, average .10 and 1mph in the 1/8th ! After lowering bike had tire rubbing issue's. But going to fix that and go up a tooth on the rear, 42-to 43. Bike is smoother and more responsive, used 4th gear mapping. I would recomend one. 

[jeffw]

X-TRE works, average .10 and 1mph in the 1/8th ! After lowering bike had tire rubbing issue's. But going to fix that and go up a tooth on the rear, 42-to 43. Bike is smoother and more responsive, used 4th gear mapping. I would recomend one. 

same are any other TRE.. just a 5th gear resistor.

Strange, most busa guys do not care for them.

[Boost13r]

Only the '08 is retarded timing in first three gears? It runs in B mode up to 8500rpm ?

[Boost13r]

U can use 4th or 5th gear map just by turning button switch to on, kickstand up, slecting the in 4th or 5th gear then turn key switch to on and wait for GI to flash. Old tre's won't work ! 

[jeffw]

U can use 4th or 5th gear map just by turning button switch to on, kickstand up, slecting the in 4th or 5th gear then turn key switch to on and wait for GI to flash. Old tre's won't work ! 

Any smart try (that uses 4th or 5th gear) will provide the same performance. There is no big secret here.

[Boost13r]

I say this because my '03 was faster and quicker than my '08 with basic same setup? yes im 40lbs heavier, but also have 17+ more hp. i was exspected to run same time but have been off .2 tenths and 2mph. I have found out I have a big tire rubbing issue so I'll post again after Sunday when I go back to the track. around here the '08 has not been impressive at the track as the 14 but im gonna fix that im 235-237lbs with gear and will go some high 5.80's on pump gas stock motor.

[SPARKY1397R]

X-TRE works, average .10 and 1mph in the 1/8th ! After lowering bike had tire rubbing issue's. But going to fix that and go up a tooth on the rear, 42-to 43. Bike is smoother and more responsive, used 4th gear mapping. I would recomend one. 

you put on a different tire and changed the suspension setting yet you give the improvement in e/t and mph to the tre? 

also did you have exactly the same weather conditions as your prior runs?  exact same 60'?

[Boost13r]

60ft only bettered by .04 but gained a .10th in ET. After finding the tire rubbed a hole in the end of tigertail only showed there was more? Same tire diameter but a slick to be more consistant? Air was worse, mid 50's but humdity was like in the 60% range? That was at night, going Sunday were advertised low 46 and hi of 71, so should have good air to see what's what? If you are dragracing buy the tre, u won't be disapointed

[BrianK]

i need to invent a retarded gadget like this and give it to a few squids so they can post great results on the internet and create a frenzy for a plug-n-play placebo

[Bently1]

Only the '08 is retarded timing in first three gears? It runs in B mode up to 8500rpm ?

  No the 08 is not in B mode to 8500rpm. My buddy runs 9.20's and 30's in A mode and 9.97 in B mode for bracket racing. there is a huge difference between A and B mode everywhere in the powerband.

[Bently1]

60ft only bettered by .04 but gained a .10th in ET. After finding the tire rubbed a hole in the end of tigertail only showed there was more? Same tire diameter but a slick to be more consistant? Air was worse, mid 50's but humdity was like in the 60% range? That was at night, going Sunday were advertised low 46 and hi of 71, so should have good air to see what's what? If you are dragracing buy the tre, u won't be disapointed

I think in the end you will find out the TRE is doing nothing for you at the strip.

[Boost13r]

So u have a 14? And what do u know about a Busa? At the time when released I had the first 99 ever to hit the streets! I worked at the dealership that I bought my bike from, trust me I know more than alot of folks do?? Do you dragrace?

[Boost13r]

What does your buddy weigh? And where does he run at??

[Bently1]

Lets see where do I start. yes I dragrace, yes I have a 14 second one as matter of fact. yes I have had 4 busa's. On my 08 Busa at 59 3/4 inch wheelbase I went 6.06 in the 1/8 and 9.33 in the 1/4. I weigh 215 unsuited! My buddy weighs 183 unsuited. we both were on pump gas. stock air cleaners. Brocks exhaust and maps. at 62 inches on my first 14 i went 5.86 and 9.14 at the same weight. I also work at a kawasaki/ suzuki dealer part time.

[Bently1]

Oh sorry, we run in Iowa most of the time but do go to Byron as well. and Kansas city.

[antonio1234]

whats the cheapest price uve guys seen on an x-tre for the 08?

[SPARKY1397R]

about the same price as a gallon of snake oil.

[Bently1]

That snake oil works! read on this one site that sells it.

[jeffw]

Same as any Smart TRE...... 4th or 5th gear resistance... still the same result.

[1362]

about the same price as a gallon of snake oil.

[busaville]

whats the cheapest price uve guys seen on an x-tre for the 08?

$130 TYD     www.pashnit.com

[jeffw]

Well if you give me  a little while to get my instructions updated for the busa... and my JSDPro (been selling them since June) can be had for $110.

[migz08busa]

Same as a Ivans Timing Retarder isnt it. $100-$110

[jeffw]

Same as a Ivans Timing Retarder isnt it. $100-$110

yes.... as long as you don't want a gear display. Ivans is a fixed 5th gear.

[migz08busa]

Do you have to take the clutch basket out to install ?

[Zmydust]

BUY smithabusa's device and be done with it! 

[busaville]

Do you have to take the clutch basket out to install ?

No you don't........ I also have the x-tre and use map 4 on it and find that the bike is more responsive.

[smithabusa]

For 02-07s the cool thing is now with ECU flashing you can do 5th gear timing all the time and still keep your gear based fueling.  The flashing device will let you do this an a ton of other stuff, or if you wanna send your ECU and $40 Ill flash it to work like the good 1/2 of a TRE and leave off the bad 1/2 

[TulBusa]

For 02-07s the cool thing is now with ECU flashing you can do 5th gear timing all the time and still keep your gear based fueling.  The flashing device will let you do this an a ton of other stuff, or if you wanna send your ECU and $40 Ill flash it to work like the good 1/2 of a TRE and leave off the bad 1/2 

Please explain what you mean by good 1/2 and bad 1/2 on the TRE.  Thanks.

[smithabusa]

Tre puts bike in 5th gear mapping all the time

Good because you get more timing in lower gears

Bad because you also get fueling for 5th gear ram air compensation etc

Suzuki spent a lot of time developing gear based fueling, tossing a tre in nukes that

[TulBusa]

Tre puts bike in 5th gear mapping all the time

Good because you get more timing in lower gears

Bad because you also get fueling for 5th gear ram air compensation etc

Suzuki spent a lot of time developing gear based fueling, tossing a tre in nukes that

Thanks.  Another question, what about PCIII and dyno tuning?  Is that basically just enhancing what is already there with the gear based fueling?  What about tuning with a PCIII and the TRE?

[smithabusa]

Take the tre off IMO

Not worth the hassle

If you want more timing in the lower gears do it the right way without jacking up fueling

[NOG]

For 02-07s the cool thing is now with ECU flashing you can do 5th gear timing all the time and still keep your gear based fueling.  The flashing device will let you do this an a ton of other stuff, or if you wanna send your ECU and $40 Ill flash it to work like the good 1/2 of a TRE and leave off the bad 1/2 

You mentioned 02-07s busa for the above ECU flashing service (ECU & $40), possible for 2nd generation busas??
And one more thing - about the 'high-gain suzuki de-restrictor (switch-able)', when switched on, is it true i can maintain the ECU allocated stock mapping for each and every gear? when in 6th gear, the built-in gear indicator shows 5 or 6?

[smithabusa]

No 2nd gen flashing yet

Yep high gain mod leads 12345 stock and replaces 6th with 5th, gear indicator shows a 5 in 6th gear just like the ecu sees.  With toggle switch on that's how ot works, with toggle off all stock

[Busashot]

It's been shown over and over that the TRE slows most Hayabusas in the qtr. Brock Davidson has been proving that forever. Just like Greg said, it's because of the fueling and ram-aor compensation of the 5th gear map.

I tested the old school Ivan TRE from repeatable 1st gear to 4th gear and 2nd gear to 5th gear roll-on tests. With the TRE, the initial acceleration was better with the TRE but once I made the next gear change the bike lost acceleration substanially through out the next gears. I personally saw a little more than a .10 et and almost 2mph in the qtr. 60ft was slightly better with the TRE but lost a bunch from there on.

Now that I have been using Greg's reflasher, I have an opportunity to play around with the timing throughout the whole RPM spectrum. Kick ass!!

[NOG]

No 2nd gen flashing yet

Yep high gain mod leads 12345 stock and replaces 6th with 5th, gear indicator shows a 5 in 6th gear just like the ecu sees.  With toggle switch on that's how ot works, with toggle off all stock

  thanks mate!! will get it soon..

[NOG]

No 2nd gen flashing yet

Yep high gain mod leads 12345 stock and replaces 6th with 5th, gear indicator shows a 5 in 6th gear just like the ecu sees.  With toggle switch on that's how ot works, with toggle off all stock

sorry smith, one more question.. i understand that with toggle on, for 12345 runs on stock gear base fueling, but how about 6th gear, does it run on the stock 6th gear base fueling or 5th gear base fueling?

[smithabusa]

5th

[NOG]

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