VP fuel

[13]

I got a price of  c-12 for 55 gal , i dont think anybody can beat the price, i was just wondering  if XXX fuels make sumthing that equals c-12.

[GeorgeC]

All of the XXX fuels are heavily oxygenated, and C12 is not oxygenated at all, so I don't think you'll find anything that directly compares...

[Coryonbusa]

I got a price of  c-12 for 55 gal , i dont think anybody can beat the price, i was just wondering  if XXX fuels make sumthing that equals c-12.

Where do you get your VP fuel?

[13]

Out of the atlanta warehouse........

[Coryonbusa]

Out of the atlanta warehouse........

You phsically go to Atlanta or get it delivered?
I've been having a hard time getting C16.

[13]

i get it delievered, i guess i could go get it but tit for tat on what i would pay on shipping or driving

[strauss]

where are you out of ???

[Pinky]

this is the list from XXX and some info on them

   1. P-101 XXX Pour N’ Go
          * Octane: 99
          * Oxygen Weight: 15.3%
          * Specific Gravity: .750 @60 degrees F
          * Oxygenated: Yes
          * Unleaded: Yes

   2. F-118 XXX Force
          * Octane: 108
          * Oxygen Weight: 17.6%
          * Specific Gravity: .758 @60 degrees F
          * Oxygenated: Yes
          * Unleaded: Yes

   3. Z-128 XXX Zoom
          * Octane: 118
          * Oxygen Weight: 18.7%
          * Specific Gravity: .776 @60 degrees F
          * Oxygenated: Yes
          * Unleaded: Yes

   4. E-138 XXX Eliminator
          * Octane: 120+
          * Oxygen Weight: 19.7%
          * Specific Gravity: .795 @60 degrees F
          * Oxygenated: Yes
          * Unleaded: Yes

[Pinky]

some vp fuels info

NEW! Q16
Q16 will work well in any drag racing or circle track application -- naturally aspirated, nitrous or blowers. Q16 is highly oxygenated, requiring a 4-6% increase in fuel flow, which will make 3-5% more power than competitive 116 octane fuels. Q16's oxygenation will significantly expand the range of air/fuel ratio acceptability, so performance will be more consistent and won't vary as dramatically with altitude or density changes. For bracket racers, variations in ET from run to run will be substantially reduced. This added fuel flow also effectively increases its octane by 6-8 numbers above its standard ASTM octane rating.

    * Color: Yellow
    * Oxygenated: Yes
    * Motor Octane 116
    * Research Octane: 120+
    * Specific Gravity: .716 at 60° F


C16
Used in turbocharged engines, blown engines and nitrous applications with CRs up to 17:1. Recommended by the top nitrous oxide companies. Spec Fuel for NHRA Comp Eliminator.

    * Color: Blue
    * Motor Octane 117
    * Specific Gravity: .735 at 60° F


C12
The best all around racing fuel made. Recommended for CRs below 15:1, satisfying the needs of 75% of today's race engines. One of the winningest fuels in racing history, including Modified Tour, GNN, D.I.R.T., Indy Lights, NHRA, AMA as well as other local and national championships across the U.S. and around the world.

    * Color: Green
    * Motor Octane 108
    * Specific Gravity: .717 at 60° F

[Pinky]

i am starting to like the info im seeing from XXX
and they are unleaded too

[sportbikeryder]

XXX seems like a decent fuel. Just so damn expensive and difficult to get.

[fatnslow]

i just run c16 to be safe with my turbo setup and everybody i know with a turbo  was running it. never thought about running something else. question, whats better a leaded fuel or unleaded?

[crazybill]

Turbo guys need to start looking into the many advantages of running E85/ethanol !  Imagine paying under 2.00 a gallon for fuel thats as good or better than most race gas and available at your local gas station .

We've been running it in an Evo9 with results nothing short of stellar (11.30 with only exhaust and boost controller / 11.20 with cams and bigger intercooler) !

 My big motor N/A busa is tuned on E98 right now and ill soon be testing it with nitrous as well  .

 testing it on a mustang with a wet kit and not only is it making great HP on spray engine temps drop 15 degrees ! Still have some tuning issues to sort but its winter here now . 

So far i'm not sold on it for all motor HP but for boost applications its incredible !

[strauss]

advantages of running E85/ethanol ????

[Pinky]

advantages of running E85/ethanol ????

it runs alot cooler


hey bill i was wondering your thoughts on the XXX fuels
i was at del's a few weeks ago and he likes this stuff and i though someone had said something about one of them(or maybe more) had ethanol added to them

also is ethanol legal in prostreet?

[crazybill]

I really dont know anytrhing about any of the XXX fuels . never ran any of them .

E85 is alcohol based so I dont think you can run it in prostreet .

Its so forgiving on the tune . its detonation resistant , high octane , burns cool , burns clean .

So far cold starts are the only issue ive had but thats just with the E98 (almost pure ethanol) .

Like I said above I dont consider it the fuel to end all fuels but for turbos its awsome !

[fatnslow]

I really dont know anytrhing about any of the XXX fuels . never ran any of them .

E85 is alcohol based so I dont think you can run it in prostreet .

Its so forgiving on the tune . its detonation resistant , high octane , burns cool , burns clean .

So far cold starts are the only issue ive had but thats just with the E98 (almost pure ethanol) .

Like I said above I dont consider it the fuel to end all fuels but for turbos its awsome !

bill what do i need to do to my bike to run e85? i have a stock motor busa with a velocity stage 3 kit running 8psi, i have only run c16 in it. 

[crazybill]

well E85 generally requires about 30% more fuel than pump gas or near equivelant . Your fuel system is probably more than adequit to handle your needs at only 8 psi but you will need to have your fuel rails anodized . The ethanol will erode bare aluminum but simply anodizing them will prevent this . you may want to use an aeromotive billet anodized fuel pressure regulator for this same reason . plan on retuning and adding about 30% fuel across the board .

I suggest finding an extreamly competent tuner !

Thats one hell of a turbo kit for a stock motor ! 

[fatnslow]

well E85 generally requires about 30% more fuel than pump gas or near equivelant . Your fuel system is probably more than adequit to handle your needs at only 8 psi but you will need to have your fuel rails anodized . The ethanol will erode bare aluminum but simply anodizing them will prevent this . you may want to use an aeromotive billet anodized fuel pressure regulator for this same reason . plan on retuning and adding about 30% fuel across the board .

I suggest finding an extreamly competent tuner !

Thats one hell of a turbo kit for a stock motor ! 

thanks for the info bill  yea people say the gt35r is good for around 32-35 psi, so i dont think im straining it to bad running 8psi.  i was just running 6 psi for a long time. i do have my eye on that gt40 though, j/k 

[gnd111]

Crazybill - where can anyone get E85?  It's not even sold here in FL at the pumps...

[strauss]

sounds like that f-118 XXX fuel..  added a lot of fuel to get me back close to 12.8 ...   38 in Rockingham and the bike was very hard to start..  played with the start map and had the ecu on auto tune for any thing less then 3000 rpm still had a hard time starting the bike.   once it was running it was ok the only thing that seemed to help it start was lowering the timing to  "0" on startup...   maybe it was just the tuner (me).

[Rocketgeezer]

I would do the S2000s and E-85 but there is two stations around here that handle it, at each end of town nothing close to the house or work, and the starting issue would be a real pain in the ass since I ride a lot in the cold, not arguing the benifits of running it just tough to get for every day use

[Rocketgeezer]

sounds like that f-118 XXX fuel..  added a lot of fuel to get me back close to 12.8 ...   38 in Rockingham and the bike was very hard to start..  played with the start map and had the ecu on auto tune for any thing less then 3000 rpm still had a hard time starting the bike.   once it was running it was ok the only thing that seemed to help it start was lowering the timing to  "0" on startup...   maybe it was just the tuner (me).

Put some pump gas in a squirt bottle and give the intake a little shot when cranking it should fire up a lot faster, when running strait methenol in my race car it would not start unless you primed it and kept it running for a bit on the squirt bottle, once there was a little heat in the motor it was fine, also the hotter the ign system was the better off you were, the MSD setup started a lot faster than the magnito