yosh cams plus intake cam

[getmissn]

I currently have a set of yosh stg 1 cams in my bike and they make 191 hp on mr9.Just womdering if I swap my yosh exhaust for a stock intake will it help or hurt my bikes performance?I also have the usual mod such as pipe,pc2,box mod,ram air seal,and stock head.if anyone has tried this combo your input and degree numbers would be appreciated.Btw,how much more hp can be added by getting a clean up job on my head with this cam set up?Thanks.

[yvesgsxr1300]

I currently have a set of yosh stg 1 cams in my bike and they make 191 hp on mr9.Just womdering if I swap my yosh exhaust for a stock intake will it help or hurt my bikes performance?I also have the usual mod such as pipe,pc2,box mod,ram air seal,and stock head.if anyone has tried this combo your input and degree numbers would be appreciated.Btw,how much more hp can be added by getting a clean up job on my head with this cam set up?Thanks.

In the past years i had a combination like the one you want to install (Yosh intake and stock intake at the exhaust) but i port and mill the head. I got 202 hp and 109/tq  with good fuel (MRX01)  and the numbers for the cams if i remember are 105/107. with just a little more compression (mill the head) the motor accept this combination of cam ''NO PROBLEM'' no loss of torque and as a bonus a good top end rush....

[fvance]

Run no base gasket, .018 cometic head gasket will give you about 12-1 compression without milling the head gasket.

[sportbikeryder]

Run no base gasket, .018 cometic head gasket will give you about 12-1 compression without milling the head gasket.

What squish do you end up with that combination? Seems like piston hitting ht ehead at hign RPM terrirtory

[mike46]

Run no base gasket, .018 cometic head gasket will give you about 12-1 compression without milling the head gasket.

What squish do you end up with that combination? Seems like piston hitting ht ehead at hign RPM terrirtory

That does seem a bit tight.

[getmissn]

I forgot to add that my bike makes 184 hp on pump gas.Is it possible for me to pick up 5-7 hp by just swappimg the yosh exhaust for the stock intake and not porting the head?I would like to get around 188-190 on pump gas and not removing the head if possible.I was told by my tuner that the bike had good compression as is.Thanks.

[Mospeada]

You're not going gain any horsepower by switching to a stock cam, intake or ex or not. You may possibly gain some low range torque, but keep what you have.

What cams? And where did you degree them?

On my dual intakes, I degree'd them 105/107. For Yosh cams, I thought (could be wrong) that you can degree them a tad more aggressively.

[fvance]

Depends on your deck height, mine had about .015+.018 head gasket+.010 base gasket, -10 off head. Had .060 piston to valve clearance. Turned it 11,300 a bunch of times. So if the head hadnt been milled iI could have run it with no base gasket, If I had it to do over again I would leave the base gasket out or run the .005 base gasket, cant have too much compression.

[getmissn]

Mospeada,my yosh stg 1 cams were never degreed.They were installed with the preset numbers 102,105.Suzuki dealership installed them for me the way they came out the box.Eventhough the stock intake is more agressive than the yosh exhaust ,u still think that there is no hp or improvement in et  by swapping out that cam?Thanks.

[Mospeada]

HELL YEAH there is an improvement to be had! You're way down on power.

You're cams are not degree'd nearly enough!! You're probably down a very big chunk of hp (across the entire board...) and *then* you need to get it re-mapped!

Others will come on here and tell you where to degree them. Do you remember what size Yosh cams? Like the specs?

Dude, you just need to degree your cams, remap, and you'll probably be a very happy camper after that. Seriously, you're way down on power with those cams degree'd soooooooo conservatively.

[fvance]

  Get those cams degreed right and you will be right where you want to be.

[yvesgsxr1300]

I forgot to add that my bike makes 184 hp on pump gas.Is it possible for me to pick up 5-7 hp by just swappimg the yosh exhaust for the stock intake and not porting the head?I would like to get around 188-190 on pump gas and not removing the head if possible.I was told by my tuner that the bike had good compression as is.Thanks.

Wow! you already have 184 HP on pump-gas with stock piston unported head and no camshaft degreeing      ......just by dropping undegreeing Yosh cam in your motor ??  Truly I'm shock

If you have 188-190 HP pump gas by just degreeing your Yosh cam from a stock piston-stock head Well....

Good Luck

[getmissn]

Mospeada,the specs on my cams  are intake--dur 244 deg--lift.354/exhaust-dur 230 deg--307 \Lc's102/105.So you think I should leave these in as a set and have these cams degreed instead of swapping out my yosh exhaust cam for a stock intake and degreeing it?

[T JONES(JPR)]

Mospeada,the specs on my cams  are intake--dur 244 deg--lift.354/exhaust-dur 230 deg--307 \Lc's102/105.So you think I should leave these in as a set and have these cams degreed instead of swapping out my yosh exhaust cam for a stock intake and degreeing it?

I have same question use yosh exhaust cam or use stock intake on exhaust???????????

[fvance]

I would put a stock int to ex and degree around 105-107.

[T JONES(JPR)]

I would put a stock int to ex and degree around 105-107.

 

[mike46]

Depends on your deck height, mine had about .015+.018 head gasket+.010 base gasket, -10 off head. Had .060 piston to valve clearance. Turned it 11,300 a bunch of times. So if the head hadnt been milled iI could have run it with no base gasket, If I had it to do over again I would leave the base gasket out or run the .005 base gasket, cant have too much compression.

I'd say you can't have enough squish.

[mike46]

I forgot to add that my bike makes 184 hp on pump gas.Is it possible for me to pick up 5-7 hp by just swappimg the yosh exhaust for the stock intake and not porting the head?I would like to get around 188-190 on pump gas and not removing the head if possible.I was told by my tuner that the bike had good compression as is.Thanks.

Wow! you already have 184 HP on pump-gas with stock piston unported head and no camshaft degreeing      ......just by dropping undegreeing Yosh cam in your motor ??  Truly I'm shock

If you have 188-190 HP pump gas by just degreeing your Yosh cam from a stock piston-stock head Well....

Good Luck

Yeah....me too.

[glenn71]

when i pulled my stock motor down it had 50.75 thou squish.If you pull the base gasket(11.5 thou) and fit an 18 thou head gasket that would give you about 27 thou squish???Don,t you think thats a little tight.I thought your meant to stay above about 37thou squish.I bet the throttle response would be pretty sharp with stock ports and small cams.Lol.

[fvance]

You are leaving the piston out of the equation. My deck height is .015+.018 head gasket= .033 pretty tight, add .005 base gasket=.038, perfect IMO, goal .035-.040.

[yvesgsxr1300]

I forgot to add that my bike makes 184 hp on pump gas.Is it possible for me to pick up 5-7 hp by just swappimg the yosh exhaust for the stock intake and not porting the head?I would like to get around 188-190 on pump gas and not removing the head if possible.I was told by my tuner that the bike had good compression as is.Thanks.

Wow! you already have 184 HP on pump-gas with stock piston unported head and no camshaft degreeing      ......just by dropping undegreeing Yosh cam in your motor ??  Truly I'm shock

If you have 188-190 HP pump gas by just degreeing your Yosh cam from a stock piston-stock head Well....

Good Luck

Yeah....me too.

188-190 HP without removing the head gasket from a gen 1 engine.......SORRY GUYS I STILL THINK IT'S IMPOSSIBLE ON PUMP GAS    

[fvance]

Me too. With 2 intake cams,milled head,skinny gaskets, mild port work, thru modified stock ex. On a stingy dyno, pump gas 170 hp. The exhaust really hampers things. Good luck.  Fred

[mike46]

Yosh cams at 105, mill head.007, stock pistons, stock head gasket, my porting, USB, Tiforce high mount.....186 on high test

[T JONES(JPR)]

maybe I missed something, but does anyone have or had a gen 1 with yosh cam and stock intake on exhaust side with base gasket removed with aftermarket exhaust,pc usb,large air box mod ect.. that had it on a dyno that gave correct hp reading?????????

[yvesgsxr1300]

maybe I missed something, but does anyone have or had a gen 1 with yosh cam and stock intake on exhaust side with base gasket removed with aftermarket exhaust,pc usb,large air box mod ect.. that had it on a dyno that gave correct hp reading?????????

Since the beginning of this post i think it's IMPOSSIBLE to achieve 188-190hp from just putting cams (any kind-any lift) in a completely stock engine (I MEAN BY NOT REMOVING THE HEAD GASKET OR MILLING OR....) and especially with PUMP GAS because this post (the guy who start it) specify (Is it possible to get 188-190hp by not removing the head gasket and pump gas????......) 

I maintain my position and as long as somebody show me a dyno chart ''SAE'' that show more than 188hp by just putting cams in a stock head gen 1 busa ........I SAY NO     

[fvance]

Mee too

[T JONES(JPR)]

maybe I missed something, but does anyone have or had a gen 1 with yosh cam and stock intake on exhaust side with base gasket removed with aftermarket exhaust,pc usb,large air box mod ect.. that had it on a dyno that gave correct hp reading?????????

Since the beginning of this post i think it's IMPOSSIBLE to achieve 188-190hp from just putting cams (any kind-any lift) in a completely stock engine (I MEAN BY NOT REMOVING THE HEAD GASKET OR MILLING OR....) and especially with PUMP GAS because this post (the guy who start it) specify (Is it possible to get 188-190hp by not removing the head gasket and pump gas????......) 

I maintain my position and as long as somebody show me a dyno chart ''SAE'' that show more than 188hp by just putting cams in a stock head gen 1 busa ........I SAY NO     
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since no one has posted any dyno chart I take your word for it.Thanks

[JW OLDBUSA]

I've always noticed big hp numbers here on .org and wondered what I'm doing wrong?

My last 1363 with intake on exhaust, small web on intake, ported head, 105-106 only made 179 hp, 106 tq on pump gas. But I beat other stock bore Busas claiming more Hp than mine?

The guy that dynoed mine said his dyno was honest.

When I bought the bike used, it came with dyno sheets: 153 stock and 163 with just a pipe.
I added a p/c and it showed 150 on the other guys dyno. With the p/c un- hooked it went 149 hp

It seems there's a lot of variation with dynos.

[Spaz Racing]

My poor boy special makes 185-190hp. It consists of removing base gasket, bigger intake cam. moving the stock intake to the exhaust side with race valve springs and degreeing the cams. That was on U4. It's been a few years since anyone has wanted to build one of these. And a ported head got yea 10 more ponys. The highest stock motored gen 1 busa I have ever seen was 174hp

[fivesaints]

Does anyone know where to get a deal on tha yosh cams

[Spaz Racing]

Does anyone know where to get a deal on tha yosh cams

There are way better options then Yosh's call me
319.651.7729

[yvesgsxr1300]

Does anyone know where to get a deal on tha yosh cams

There are way better options then Yosh's call me
319.651.7729

For sure SPAZ i agree ........there are way better ''set up'' of cam than those Yosh

especially with ''small'' modifications to the engine 

[fvance]

 

[midnight black man]

i've produced 185 on superflow with je's 12.3 ,full port job, intake reprofiled to yosh specs on intake and stock intake on exhaust...
on pump...

impossible imo without porting...

[fivesaints]

Anyone have pics of cam swap with indicator set up for timing shafts with motor in frame? to much trouble?

[yvesgsxr1300]

Anyone have pics of cam swap with indicator set up for timing shafts with motor in frame? to much trouble?

It's possible to install and dial camshaft in the frame but ask any mechanic ......it's tight especially for the exhaust cam....the dial  indicator is very close or hitting the frame.   I prefer to do the dial job on my working table.....

Sorry i don't have picture of doing this job......

[glenn71]

Lucky its not a video of doing the exhaust cam,you would have to bleep it from all the swearing.Dialling the exhaust cam in whilst in the frame is a prick of a job and it doesn,t seem to get easier,no matter how many times you do it.Dads bike has got brock drop in pistons,ported head,yosh cams,factory pro stacks,small airbox mod and ended up with 185hp/107ft/lb SAE  on pump.probably would have cracked 190 with all shorts.Its probably got a little less mid and top end than an intake on the exhaust but it pulls good from 3000 which suits the heavy rider and the factory pro stacks make max power around 9800.

[LeasingGuy]

 

Not sure why you guys are having problems degreeing cams with the motor in the chassis. Its very easy and WAY faster than pulling the motor. You just need the right tools. I welded a spoke from a motorcross wheel onto an addaptor for the dial indicator and I bolt the fixture down to the hole for the airbox bolt. I had to turn the spoke down a little on the last inch and bend it just a touch so it would clear the cam lobe. Set-up takes less than 3 minutes after the valve cover is off.

$0.02

[fivesaints]

Cool, now I'd like to see that setup!

[T JONES(JPR)]

Cool, now I'd like to see that setup!

me 2

[LeasingGuy]

I take some photos in a few days, my bike is all together but I have a customers busa in my shop now and the engine is out of the bike and on a stand. It will be going back in early next week, I'll have pictures then....

[fivesaints]

Big THANKS on that, really concidering dropping in that intake on exhaust side. If I can make it easy without dropping engine that would be SWEET!