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TRE~PRO question !
« on: March 27, 2009, 09:12:01 AM »
TRE~PRO
Has anyone know anything bout these, claimed "semi plug & play" minor wiring required ??
Full gear position display functionality.
Has anyone have any info >> good / bad / difficult to install for the average guy ????
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Re: TRE~PRO question !
« Reply #1 on: March 31, 2009, 03:52:02 AM »
TRE~PRO ?  I have the X-Tre and I thing it works pretty good. Bike is more responsive. Easy to install, fully functional gear indicator.

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Re: TRE~PRO question !
« Reply #2 on: March 31, 2009, 07:49:14 AM »
TRE~PRO ?  I have the X-Tre and I thing it works pretty good. Bike is more responsive. Easy to install, fully functional gear indicator.

Does it still indicate 6th gear when u are running on 6th? Any difference in fuel consumption? Does it work well at different drive modes? Is the low end power improvement satisfying? Any downside?  I am seriously considering having one.
« Last Edit: March 31, 2009, 07:53:14 AM by speetdemon »

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Re: TRE~PRO question !
« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2009, 12:08:41 PM »
Any TRE is going to mess up your gear based fueling.

5th gear timing all the time is good, 5th gear fueling all the time is NOT.
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Re: TRE~PRO question !
« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2009, 02:26:53 PM »
TRE~PRO ?  I have the X-Tre and I thing it works pretty good. Bike is more responsive. Easy to install, fully functional gear indicator.

Does it still indicate 6th gear when u are running on 6th? Any difference in fuel consumption? Does it work well at different drive modes? Is the low end power improvement satisfying? Any downside?  I am seriously considering having one.
Yes, it shows every gear you are in. Fuel consumption increased very little, you are able to change between 4th, 5th or 6th gear" maps." It does pull harder and I haven't seen any downsides to it yet. It was worth the money for me until they can tap into the ecu for the 08.

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Re: TRE~PRO question !
« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2009, 07:48:38 PM »
Any TRE is going to mess up your gear based fueling.

5th gear timing all the time is good, 5th gear fueling all the time is NOT.

Can u briefly clarify how the TRE systems work?  :shock: My understanding is that it works like PCIII but only in certain gears. Thanx.

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Re: TRE~PRO question !
« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2009, 07:55:54 PM »
Any TRE is going to mess up your gear based fueling.

5th gear timing all the time is good, 5th gear fueling all the time is NOT.

Can u briefly clarify how the TRE systems work?  :shock: My understanding is that it works like PCIII but only in certain gears. Thanx.

its a 6.8k resistor, tells your ecu you are in 5th gear all the time

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Re: TRE~PRO question !
« Reply #7 on: March 31, 2009, 08:09:56 PM »

 http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270351555705

This one sounds good,if it does what it claims to do !!
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Re: TRE~PRO question !
« Reply #8 on: March 31, 2009, 08:12:49 PM »

 Has software build in !!!
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Re: TRE~PRO question !
« Reply #9 on: March 31, 2009, 08:19:23 PM »
the extra components are there so that your factory gear indicator still works correctly, it still forces your ecu into the 5th gear mapping at all times, except neutral, the wrong way to go for performance in my opinion.
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Re: TRE~PRO question !
« Reply #10 on: March 31, 2009, 08:32:29 PM »

Thanx smiffy for your professional opinion, its all double dutch to me !! 
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Re: TRE~PRO question !
« Reply #11 on: March 31, 2009, 11:57:53 PM »

 http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270351555705

This one sounds good,if it does what it claims to do !!

Thanks ...its all clear now. I would just grab one.

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Re: TRE~PRO question !
« Reply #12 on: April 01, 2009, 09:08:10 AM »
A TRE is an ignition "timing retard eliminator" - the stock ignition maps on most Suzuki's include built in ignition retard to help control wheelies, wheelspin and power in 1-4th gears, and top speed in 6th gear. 5th gear is the only "open" gear. The TRE is a resistor that fools the ECU into thinking it is in 5th gear all the time. That is the basic concept. From there, folks have made some other modifications to expand on the abilities of the modules.... Smart TRE's, X-TRE, etc...

It IS NOT a Power Commander in any way shape or form. A TRE does not know if a Power Commander is present, and a Power Commander does not know if a TRE is present. A TRE has zero control over fuel and fuel injection.
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Re: TRE~PRO question !
« Reply #13 on: April 01, 2009, 09:14:15 AM »

It IS NOT a Power Commander in any way shape or form. A TRE does not know if a Power Commander is present, and a Power Commander does not know if a TRE is present. A TRE has zero control over fuel and fuel injection.

except that the TRE puts the bike into the 5th gear fueling maps all the time, so you definitely can't change fueling with it in software or anything like a Power Commander, but it does mess up your bikes ability to provide gear based ram air compensation by forcing 5th gear ram air compensation at all times.
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Re: TRE~PRO question !
« Reply #14 on: April 02, 2009, 12:13:30 PM »
For a sophisticated set up where you can map fuel for the individual gears, you are correct. For most folks on the street, running a pipe and power commander - and who describes himself as the average guy - you are taking things way out of context IMO. A PCIIIUSB only knows one map at a time for all four cylinders, and only knows throttle position and RPM. It does not care what gear the bike is in, or what gear it thinks it is in, or what the ignition is doing. The new PCV will change things for some folks who decide they need separate maps for each gear - but again, its an option that most folks will never explore.

Now, if we are discussing a far more sophisticated set up, you are correct to a certain degree. My argument would be why would you bother to run a TRE at that point anyhow... All that it accomplishes can be done in other ways or is not needed.




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Re: TRE~PRO question !
« Reply #15 on: April 02, 2009, 12:45:01 PM »
The power commander only knows one map regardless of wjat the ecu does

So if you add fuel at 3000 rpm at 5 percent throttle in the power commander, the ecu still has the ability to make its changes based on gear position, atnmospheric, temp, conditions etc

If you TRE it, the ecu can no longer do its gear based changes
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Re: TRE~PRO question !
« Reply #16 on: April 03, 2009, 04:58:44 AM »
The power commander only knows one map regardless of wjat the ecu does

So if you add fuel at 3000 rpm at 5 percent throttle in the power commander, the ecu still has the ability to make its changes based on gear position, atnmospheric, temp, conditions etc

If you TRE it, the ecu can no longer do its gear based changes

So - perhaps its good to swithc it off every now and then. Anyone knows if there is a switch in the market? :shock:

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Re: TRE~PRO question !
« Reply #17 on: April 03, 2009, 07:35:21 AM »

 So, in plain english what is good to do ?
Does that mean if I run the PC, I dont need the TRE ??
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If I run the PC & TRE they will compliment each other  ?? one working with A/F the other working wif ignition.
Can the PC erradicate the 6th gear restrictor ?

What is the best set up .... ?
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Re: TRE~PRO question !
« Reply #18 on: April 03, 2009, 11:29:29 AM »
PC + GPS mod = you get BOTH!

PC + TRE = 5th gear timing which sucks!

PC only = won't remove the limiter in 6th!

Otherwise, you can do an ECU hack...
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Re: TRE~PRO question !
« Reply #19 on: April 03, 2009, 11:06:23 PM »

GPS mod ?? went back on some old posts and couldn't find much >> isn't that just used to accurately measure speed ??
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Re: TRE~PRO question !
« Reply #20 on: April 03, 2009, 11:09:07 PM »
Gear Position Sensor not Global Positioning System... ;)

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Re: TRE~PRO question !
« Reply #21 on: April 03, 2009, 11:28:26 PM »
 De~Restrictor ? ~  "This allows stock ignition timing in the lower gears" !!

Thats no good, coz stock is standard and standard is retarding the ignition timing in 1~2~3~4.

Am I off base here ??
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Re: TRE~PRO question !
« Reply #22 on: April 04, 2009, 09:54:14 AM »
he was referring to gear position sensor mod for 1n23455 output

this does the same thing and is plug and play

www.boostbysmith.com/highgain.html

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Re: TRE~PRO question !
« Reply #23 on: April 04, 2009, 10:52:03 AM »
Thanks Greg .... that was the wrong link !
High gain OK ! that talks bout de-restricting redline in 6th, but 1-2-3-4 is de-restricted aswell, as the TRE does ?
Do I want reline in 6th ... I do I do ! :hys:
I do apoligise I know this topic has been done to death but I'm not real sparky on the electronics side of things.
How much would the postage be on that to Australia ?

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Re: TRE~PRO question !
« Reply #24 on: April 04, 2009, 10:58:25 AM »
Mine leaves all stock except it lifts the governor off 6th gear.

TRE will also let you go faster than 186 in 6th but it forces your bikes fuel tables to 5th gear all the time which I don't like

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