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ECU FLASHING SERVICE FOR GEN 2 BUSA
« on: April 11, 2009, 07:27:40 PM »
RR over at ecu hack is now offering flashing service for the Gen2 busa...
 
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Re: ECU FLASHING SERVICE FOR GEN 2 BUSA
« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2009, 08:11:30 PM »
we tested at a race in   and it worked as planned........ :vl:
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Re: ECU FLASHING SERVICE FOR GEN 2 BUSA
« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2009, 07:59:47 AM »
we tested at the last ama race in commerce and it worked as planned........ :vl:

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Re: ECU FLASHING SERVICE FOR GEN 2 BUSA
« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2009, 10:28:58 AM »
Great news.
Are you offering / selling the tool and software to do this ourselves like the GenI, or is this a mail away deal for extender limiter only.  Not clear?
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Re: ECU FLASHING SERVICE FOR GEN 2 BUSA
« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2009, 10:18:02 PM »
Didn't find much info at the website. Do you mail them the ECU and the 08 ECU as easy to remove as the GEN I's? Thanks.
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Re: ECU FLASHING SERVICE FOR GEN 2 BUSA
« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2009, 10:44:41 PM »
Didn't find much info at the website. Do you mail them the ECU and the 08 ECU as easy to remove as the GEN I's? Thanks.
just send an email to RR (Marlin Bially) from the link above and he will answer any questions you have...

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Re: ECU FLASHING SERVICE FOR GEN 2 BUSA
« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2009, 01:36:49 AM »

 It would be good if he popped in and explained to all us potential customers collectively whats involved, pro's ,cons, cost, the technicals of the process ? I'm sure there would be alot of interested customers on here, he could tell the story once then, instead of hundreds of separate inquiries. 
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Re: ECU FLASHING SERVICE FOR GEN 2 BUSA
« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2009, 10:41:42 AM »

 It would be good if he popped in and explained to all us potential customers collectively whats involved, pro's ,cons, cost, the technicals of the process ? I'm sure there would be alot of interested customers on here, he could tell the story once then, instead of hundreds of separate inquiries. 

I can reply on behalf of Marlin that we are talking about raising the rpm limiters and removing the top speed limiter here. Without going in to details as a process its very simple: the software from ecu is downloaded to a computer (if needed), new limiters are written on it and then the reprogrammed code is flashed back to ecu.  There is a couple of dozen various limiter values that are changed in the process, other than that the ecu remains as it is.

The pros on this e.g. are:
- no add on boxes to bike causing electricity faults
- the gear display continues to work
- any rpr limiter can be set (within reasonable limits)
- possibility to choose not to use soft limiters (particularly for turbos and nitrous)
- possiblity to choose if ign or fuel or both should be used

Anyway basically you just say: "set my limiter to 12000 hard limit only and remove my top speed limiter" and thats what most of us want.

For me (who is biased) its difficult to find any cons in this process, exept a possiblity for an operator error when programming - but that will be unlikely.

Some day this will be avail for a wider audience as a diy after gettings some hardware and software, but in the meanwhile Marlin is your best contact for this service as Marlin is the first person ever who has flashed a gen2 ecu.

Here is what numbers will be changed (amongst some other things).



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Re: ECU FLASHING SERVICE FOR GEN 2 BUSA
« Reply #8 on: April 14, 2009, 10:45:23 AM »
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Re: ECU FLASHING SERVICE FOR GEN 2 BUSA
« Reply #9 on: April 14, 2009, 10:51:48 AM »

 It would be good if he popped in and explained to all us potential customers collectively whats involved, pro's ,cons, cost, the technicals of the process ? I'm sure there would be alot of interested customers on here, he could tell the story once then, instead of hundreds of separate inquiries. 

I can reply on behalf of Marlin that we are talking about raising the rpm limiters and removing the top speed limiter here. Without going in to details as a process its very simple: the software from ecu is downloaded to a computer (if needed), new limiters are written on it and then the reprogrammed code is flashed back to ecu.  There is a couple of dozen various limiter values that are changed in the process, other than that the ecu remains as it is.

The pros on this e.g. are:
- no add on boxes to bike causing electricity faults
- the gear display continues to work
- any rpr limiter can be set (within reasonable limits)
- possibility to choose not to use soft limiters (particularly for turbos and nitrous)
- possiblity to choose if ign or fuel or both should be used

Anyway basically you just say: "set my limiter to 12000 hard limit only and remove my top speed limiter" and thats what most of us want.

For me (who is biased) its difficult to find any cons in this process, exept a possiblity for an operator error when programming - but that will be unlikely.

Some day this will be avail for a wider audience as a diy after gettings some hardware and software, but in the meanwhile Marlin is your best contact for this service as Marlin is the first person ever who has flashed a gen2 ecu.

Here is what numbers will be changed (amongst some other things).



we were the ones that tested a 08 flashed ecu with raised rev limiter at a race,the bike performed perfectly and pulled to the specified rev limit that i asked rr to set it to. :thumb:
« Last Edit: May 19, 2009, 11:10:27 PM by Stocker64 »
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Re: ECU FLASHING SERVICE FOR GEN 2 BUSA
« Reply #10 on: April 15, 2009, 04:23:21 AM »
Hopefully it won't be long before it's ready. :thumb:
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Re: ECU FLASHING SERVICE FOR GEN 2 BUSA
« Reply #11 on: April 16, 2009, 06:13:47 AM »
Will this mod derestrict throttle input in the first 4 gears as what the TRE trying to do in addition to the 6th gear limiter?

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Re: ECU FLASHING SERVICE FOR GEN 2 BUSA
« Reply #12 on: April 16, 2009, 09:57:32 AM »
Will this mod derestrict throttle input in the first 4 gears as what the TRE trying to do in addition to the 6th gear limiter?

Please read what I wrote below article and disregard all previous street legends about what TRE is and what is is not:

http://www.suzukihayabusa.org/forum/index.php?topic=138364.msg1317244#msg1317244


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Re: ECU FLASHING SERVICE FOR GEN 2 BUSA
« Reply #13 on: April 18, 2009, 02:20:28 AM »

 Just a coupla more questions for ya' Petrik !
1 > If you reflash the ECU, is it still gunna recognise the security chip in the ignition key ? that wouldn't have been an issue for the Gen 1.
2 > And when it needs a tune, I just take it to my local machanic and he'll just tweek it the way he would as if it were a PowerCommander ? Or I'd just re download a map ?
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Re: ECU FLASHING SERVICE FOR GEN 2 BUSA
« Reply #14 on: April 18, 2009, 06:12:41 AM »
Just a coupla more questions for ya' Petrik !
1 > If you reflash the ECU, is it still gunna recognise the security chip in the ignition key ? that wouldn't have been an issue for the Gen 1.
2 > And when it needs a tune, I just take it to my local machanic and he'll just tweek it the way he would as if it were a PowerCommander ? Or I'd just re download a map ?
 Thanx ~ Joe

Reflashing does not affect ingition lock (security) at all, the settings of that remain the same.

For tuning, please contact smithabusa for places where the bikes can be tuned. he or any of the tuners can talk you through what it means.

Please also ask pay particular attention to the IAP (vacuum map) when the bike is tuned and transition from IAP to TPS map. That will have the biggest effect on driveability of the bike that can not be reached by any piggyback system.


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Re: ECU FLASHING SERVICE FOR GEN 2 BUSA
« Reply #15 on: April 18, 2009, 11:34:29 AM »

 It would be good if he popped in and explained to all us potential customers collectively whats involved, pro's ,cons, cost, the technicals of the process ? I'm sure there would be alot of interested customers on here, he could tell the story once then, instead of hundreds of separate inquiries. 

Yes it would help. I have gen 1 bike, but I'm sure he offers flashing for both. Since it is beyond my ability to tune a bike, how would a mechanic use his product?
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Re: ECU FLASHING SERVICE FOR GEN 2 BUSA
« Reply #16 on: April 18, 2009, 12:10:46 PM »
If you have a gen 1 I have you covered (02-07) www.boostbysmith.com/ecu.html

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Re: ECU FLASHING SERVICE FOR GEN 2 BUSA
« Reply #17 on: April 18, 2009, 02:19:07 PM »

I do have a problem with the smooth transition from the IAP to TPS map, in highway mode the power does slightly surge up & down (which I learnt from your earlier post), I never knew what was causing that I thought I was imagining it. Sometimes I spank it & it doesn't respond consistently, so thats probably related.
Thanks for sharing all your insightful knowledge Petrik, I've been learning so much over the last coupla weeks.   
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Re: ECU FLASHING SERVICE FOR GEN 2 BUSA
« Reply #18 on: April 19, 2009, 08:58:55 PM »
The 2nd Gen has a security chip in the key? I'll be damned....   :?

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« Reply #19 on: April 20, 2009, 12:46:21 AM »
The 2nd Gen has a security chip in the key? I'll be damned....   :?

US spec bikes haven't gotten that feature yet.  Maybe in the future but not now...  :(
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Re: ECU FLASHING SERVICE FOR GEN 2 BUSA
« Reply #20 on: May 03, 2009, 11:55:16 AM »
Heard about the chip, but didn't know it if was a fact. on my gen 1 i have custom key..

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Re: ECU FLASHING SERVICE FOR GEN 2 BUSA
« Reply #21 on: May 14, 2009, 08:38:32 AM »
question on gen 2 ecu hack.

if one was to have the 12k hard limit in place.

will a pc3usb and ignition module still work with the quikshifter and set the ign kill at 11500-11750?

did stocker64 (test pilot) notice any gains in lower et with the higher rev limit?

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Re: ECU FLASHING SERVICE FOR GEN 2 BUSA
« Reply #22 on: May 14, 2009, 01:33:49 PM »
About gen2 ET gains you need to as from stocker64.

With my gen1 1397 the extended rpm worked on my favour, as an example got the bike up to 208mph on a standing mile with standard gearing. That was mainly due to cam timing and a good head porting that allowed more power from extended rpm.

Never used pc3 in my bike. Used to have a pc3r, but tossed that away.

The plan is to include the shifter code to gen2 ecu too over time like we have for gen1.

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Re: ECU FLASHING SERVICE FOR GEN 2 BUSA
« Reply #23 on: May 14, 2009, 01:37:49 PM »
question on gen 2 ecu hack.

if one was to have the 12k hard limit in place.

will a pc3usb and ignition module still work with the quikshifter and set the ign kill at 11500-11750?

did stocker64 (test pilot) notice any gains in lower et with the higher rev limit?

over to Petrik and smithbusa

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cannot answer question about pc3,but the bike is a  turbo,and YES this perticular setup gained et and mph,perticually because of more boost,and the bike could be geared a little bit differently due to raised rev limit.
« Last Edit: May 19, 2009, 11:12:05 PM by Stocker64 »
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Re: ECU FLASHING SERVICE FOR GEN 2 BUSA
« Reply #24 on: May 14, 2009, 09:28:19 PM »
I would like to know if the the start up can be changed. Many have noticed that their bike when first started takes a few seconds for the fast idle to start on cold starts. My bike does this also, especially when it is cold outside. I sometimes have to start it two or three times before the idle speeds up. Can this be remedied at this time and if not will it be in the future?
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