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you might as well make it a 1441 going to cost the same
Quote from: bl13r on September 20, 2009, 11:51:36 PMyou might as well make it a 1441 going to cost the same How does making it a 1441 cost the same as freshening a motor? Need to buy another crank and a spacer to make it a 1441.
Quote from: sportbikeryder on September 21, 2009, 03:21:33 PMQuote from: bl13r on September 20, 2009, 11:51:36 PMyou might as well make it a 1441 going to cost the same How does making it a 1441 cost the same as freshening a motor? Need to buy another crank and a spacer to make it a 1441. by the time he sells his tock crank it will be maybe an extra 350 give or take
not hard for you me i would be screwed.
Anyway, looks as though I'm gonna end up doin this rebuild myself to save $ . New bearings,rings, head&cams . How hard could this be for the first time ? I'm screwed !
Quote from: tyboogie on September 21, 2009, 04:46:23 PMQuote from: sportbikeryder on September 21, 2009, 03:21:33 PMQuote from: bl13r on September 20, 2009, 11:51:36 PMyou might as well make it a 1441 going to cost the same How does making it a 1441 cost the same as freshening a motor? Need to buy another crank and a spacer to make it a 1441. by the time he sells his tock crank it will be maybe an extra 350 give or takec-henry nows what i was talking about some people need to stay out of other peoples business unless you no what is going on
Quote from: C_Henry on September 22, 2009, 06:17:42 PMAnyway, looks as though I'm gonna end up doin this rebuild myself to save $ . New bearings,rings, head&cams . How hard could this be for the first time ? I'm screwed ! If you are on a tight budget, go with a hand ported head with springs rather than the Carpenter head. Unless you are trying to build an all out race motor, the carpenter head will not give you any more horsepower than an $800 job (Even if you are building an all out race motor...)Look around and you can find used cams fairly easily, most already with adjustable sprockets. If you are still street riding, don't go too big on the cams. Lightening and balancing can be shelved as well. John
Quote from: C_Henry on September 22, 2009, 06:17:42 PMAnyway, looks as though I'm gonna end up doin this rebuild myself to save $ . New bearings,rings, head&cams . How hard could this be for the first time ? I'm screwed ! Aloha its not hard at all you just need to follow the manual step by step for the basic rebuild and you should get by just fine. Its the little things that the manual doesn't tell you that you will need to figure out like adjusting cam sprockets ,piston depth and a few other things but if you cant figure something out I'm quite sure most people on here will be more than willing to help. Good luck.
Quote from: C_Henry on September 22, 2009, 06:17:42 PMAnyway, looks as though I'm gonna end up doin this rebuild myself to save $ . New bearings,rings, head&cams . How hard could this be for the first time ? I'm screwed ! If you are on a tight budget, go with a hand ported head with springs rather than the Carpenter head. Unless you are trying to build an all out race motor, the carpenter head will not give you any more horsepower than an $800 job (Even if you are building an all out race motor...)Look around and you can find used cams fairly easily, most already with adjustable sprockets. If you are still street riding, don't go too big on the cams.John
Quote from: sportbikeryder on September 23, 2009, 05:52:39 AMQuote from: C_Henry on September 22, 2009, 06:17:42 PMAnyway, looks as though I'm gonna end up doin this rebuild myself to save $ . New bearings,rings, head&cams . How hard could this be for the first time ? I'm screwed ! If you are on a tight budget, go with a hand ported head with springs rather than the Carpenter head. Unless you are trying to build an all out race motor, the carpenter head will not give you any more horsepower than an $800 job (Even if you are building an all out race motor...)Look around and you can find used cams fairly easily, most already with adjustable sprockets. If you are still street riding, don't go too big on the cams.John We were thinking about the Carpenter set up 1 cause he guarantees 40hp , and cause he said he'ld help me out trying to get the cams degreed in . Yes, it's just a track bike, no street at all . I could save a good bit doin another set up , but I'ld like to get as much hp as i can for the $ What other combo could give me bout 40hp ? And I have been look'n for used cams. The only ones I've seen were only a couple of dollars cheaper than new ones .
Quote from: C_Henry on September 23, 2009, 12:30:13 PMQuote from: sportbikeryder on September 23, 2009, 05:52:39 AMQuote from: C_Henry on September 22, 2009, 06:17:42 PMAnyway, looks as though I'm gonna end up doin this rebuild myself to save $ . New bearings,rings, head&cams . How hard could this be for the first time ? I'm screwed ! If you are on a tight budget, go with a hand ported head with springs rather than the Carpenter head. Unless you are trying to build an all out race motor, the carpenter head will not give you any more horsepower than an $800 job (Even if you are building an all out race motor...)Look around and you can find used cams fairly easily, most already with adjustable sprockets. If you are still street riding, don't go too big on the cams.John We were thinking about the Carpenter set up 1 cause he guarantees 40hp , and cause he said he'ld help me out trying to get the cams degreed in . Yes, it's just a track bike, no street at all . I could save a good bit doin another set up , but I'ld like to get as much hp as i can for the $ What other combo could give me bout 40hp ? And I have been look'n for used cams. The only ones I've seen were only a couple of dollars cheaper than new ones . Guarenteeing horsepower is relative. Many of the Carpenter motors are advertised at 215 or 220 hp and we have seen a few of them at 202 and 203, on other dynos. If you go with teh more radical setup, we have seen as high as 214 with the giant cams that he supplies. If you already have a 1397, have you had it on a dyno? What did it make. Getting another 40 HP from a 1397 by putting head and cams in it is quite an astonishing feat. John
Quote from: valley poi on September 22, 2009, 11:06:32 PMQuote from: C_Henry on September 22, 2009, 06:17:42 PMAnyway, looks as though I'm gonna end up doin this rebuild myself to save $ . New bearings,rings, head&cams . How hard could this be for the first time ? I'm screwed ! Aloha its not hard at all you just need to follow the manual step by step for the basic rebuild and you should get by just fine. Its the little things that the manual doesn't tell you that you will need to figure out like adjusting cam sprockets ,piston depth and a few other things but if you cant figure something out I'm quite sure most people on here will be more than willing to help. Good luck.Yea, me and my wife have taken it all apart and reassembled it . Just have never been inside the motor before. It's the fear of the unknown i guess . The suprises are always what make it fun . Bob was gonna help us out on getting the cams degreed . By the way , what is piston depth ? I don't remember reading anything about that in tha manual. Lol ! Again all together now , I'm screwed !
Quote from: sportbikeryder on September 23, 2009, 12:49:45 PMQuote from: C_Henry on September 23, 2009, 12:30:13 PMQuote from: sportbikeryder on September 23, 2009, 05:52:39 AMQuote from: C_Henry on September 22, 2009, 06:17:42 PMAnyway, looks as though I'm gonna end up doin this rebuild myself to save $ . New bearings,rings, head&cams . How hard could this be for the first time ? I'm screwed ! If you are on a tight budget, go with a hand ported head with springs rather than the Carpenter head. Unless you are trying to build an all out race motor, the carpenter head will not give you any more horsepower than an $800 job (Even if you are building an all out race motor...)Look around and you can find used cams fairly easily, most already with adjustable sprockets. If you are still street riding, don't go too big on the cams.John We were thinking about the Carpenter set up 1 cause he guarantees 40hp , and cause he said he'ld help me out trying to get the cams degreed in . Yes, it's just a track bike, no street at all . I could save a good bit doin another set up , but I'ld like to get as much hp as i can for the $ What other combo could give me bout 40hp ? And I have been look'n for used cams. The only ones I've seen were only a couple of dollars cheaper than new ones . Guarenteeing horsepower is relative. Many of the Carpenter motors are advertised at 215 or 220 hp and we have seen a few of them at 202 and 203, on other dynos. If you go with teh more radical setup, we have seen as high as 214 with the giant cams that he supplies. If you already have a 1397, have you had it on a dyno? What did it make. Getting another 40 HP from a 1397 by putting head and cams in it is quite an astonishing feat. JohnYea, my 1397(12:1) only made 181hp when it was built . It's all stk except for the pistons .As far as the 40hp goes , he"s got a great name at tha track for his work . I really could care less about the hp numbers , i want the numbers at the track . I was running 6.00 in the 1/8th mile. I'ld like to be around 5.80 .
Quote from: C_Henry on September 23, 2009, 12:21:43 PMQuote from: valley poi on September 22, 2009, 11:06:32 PMQuote from: C_Henry on September 22, 2009, 06:17:42 PMAnyway, looks as though I'm gonna end up doin this rebuild myself to save $ . New bearings,rings, head&cams . How hard could this be for the first time ? I'm screwed ! Aloha its not hard at all you just need to follow the manual step by step for the basic rebuild and you should get by just fine. Its the little things that the manual doesn't tell you that you will need to figure out like adjusting cam sprockets ,piston depth and a few other things but if you cant figure something out I'm quite sure most people on here will be more than willing to help. Good luck.Yea, me and my wife have taken it all apart and reassembled it . Just have never been inside the motor before. It's the fear of the unknown i guess . The suprises are always what make it fun . Bob was gonna help us out on getting the cams degreed . By the way , what is piston depth ? I don't remember reading anything about that in tha manual. Lol ! Again all together now , I'm screwed ! Aloha piston depth is just how far down into the cylinder the piston is if you dont change the piston or crank you wont have to worry about it. But bad things happen if the piston is too close to the head or valves. I under stand the fear part our first time back to the track after our rebuild all I could think about was if we did every thing right and hoping that it stays together, its running strong for now. Good luck
Quote from: C_Henry on September 23, 2009, 12:58:28 PMQuote from: sportbikeryder on September 23, 2009, 12:49:45 PMQuote from: C_Henry on September 23, 2009, 12:30:13 PMQuote from: sportbikeryder on September 23, 2009, 05:52:39 AMQuote from: C_Henry on September 22, 2009, 06:17:42 PMAnyway, looks as though I'm gonna end up doin this rebuild myself to save $ . New bearings,rings, head&cams . How hard could this be for the first time ? I'm screwed ! If you are on a tight budget, go with a hand ported head with springs rather than the Carpenter head. Unless you are trying to build an all out race motor, the carpenter head will not give you any more horsepower than an $800 job (Even if you are building an all out race motor...)Look around and you can find used cams fairly easily, most already with adjustable sprockets. If you are still street riding, don't go too big on the cams.John We were thinking about the Carpenter set up 1 cause he guarantees 40hp , and cause he said he'ld help me out trying to get the cams degreed in . Yes, it's just a track bike, no street at all . I could save a good bit doin another set up , but I'ld like to get as much hp as i can for the $ What other combo could give me bout 40hp ? And I have been look'n for used cams. The only ones I've seen were only a couple of dollars cheaper than new ones . Guarenteeing horsepower is relative. Many of the Carpenter motors are advertised at 215 or 220 hp and we have seen a few of them at 202 and 203, on other dynos. If you go with teh more radical setup, we have seen as high as 214 with the giant cams that he supplies. If you already have a 1397, have you had it on a dyno? What did it make. Getting another 40 HP from a 1397 by putting head and cams in it is quite an astonishing feat. JohnYea, my 1397(12:1) only made 181hp when it was built . It's all stk except for the pistons .As far as the 40hp goes , he"s got a great name at tha track for his work . I really could care less about the hp numbers , i want the numbers at the track . I was running 6.00 in the 1/8th mile. I'ld like to be around 5.80 . What MPH were you running in the 1/8th and how much do you weigh?
