new chain stretching crazy! !!HELP!!

[Rocketgeezer]

Just buy it,I replaced 25 plus chains on my bikes,4 of them ZX11's and 10 of them were on busa's 05 and under and now on my 08,its a strong chain and you'll be happy you bought it. I could care less what EK rates thier chains at the only chain I ever had a problem with was an EK that had equivalent tensile rating as the Tsubaki and I've never had one stretch like the EK did. 

After years of "EK ZZZ is the best," people are saying it is a crappy chain? 

Yea I thought that was kind of funny

[gjp1300]

What do you find funny???? I have owned a ninja 600,ninja 900,four ZX11's,four busa's 2000,01,05 and an 08 and racked up close 300k between all of them,close to 100k just on busas's,I replace my chain every 7 to 10k and never had an isue with a Tsubaki chain. I bought an EK that was rated the same tensile strength as the Tsubaki Sigma and it stretched beyond belief in 500 miles after 4 adjustments figured it should be pretty much set,sprockets were in excellent condition as was my 05,ended up takin out my output shaft after one rolling burnout on a cold 50 degree night,stretched to shit. Thats why I say their junk,and now busa buster is having the same stretching issue,hmmmm. Same tensile strength as a Tsubaki but not the same result. Don't know about the EKzzz and could care less,one bad experiance is enough.

[busaBuster]

like gjp1300 said im like  himif you have a problem with a brand dont go for seconds on the zvx.....i thought bout the zzz ,but after the way ek's shitty cust service treated me on the zvx they aint gettin my money the girl barely spoke english!!!! and they had no techical help but her guesses wich were as good as mine,,,,a brand its only as good as the company that backs it up,,same goes that a chain is only as strong as the weakest link,i HAVE heard lots of good bout the zzz & hope it works well for those who have it,as for me not an ek guy on the zvx

[busaBuster]

i have not or no one here as far as i read said the zzz was a bad chain i even considered buying one after my experience with ek ,but my issue was with the zvx,like gjp1300 i cant say bout the zzz cause i have not owned one,its messed up cuz alot of turbo guys here run the zvx with no issues so lets say mine was a bad run...well thats my experience and im not goin for another zvx (personal prefference) would i go for a zzz depends on the tsubaki but no zvx for me zzz i could thik about no biggi

[mike46]

if my cush drives are worn  would it make a difference in my chain stretching or wearing or whatever the fuck its doing?....... still no fix im bout to give up i dont understand whats going on .....checked the 21 pins like the manual says and im at 12.5 inches, max is 12.56...brand new chain....9th adjustment today went for ride with a buddy to check it out...and after 1 hr 10 mile ride aprox preety hard riding....the chain was saggin so bad i could touch the swingarm with it  when i pulled the chain up....for 2  days of easy riding it stayed good though.........for the first time in my bike having times i have considered to take the bike to the dealership & pay the 104 an hour man it makes me feel like a dummas ,imma adjust 1 more time if it does it again i will take it to the suzuki shop ,as much as i dont want to

Before ya spend $$$ at the dealer put a DID chain on it.  I ran a DID 530ZVM on my 954 for about 24,00 miles and only had to adjust it a few times, and that bike got ridden hard, 1000's of clutch ups and lots of 100mph+ running.

A good chain

[GSXRTURBO1]

busabuster, so you're loosening up the rear axle and the brake arm, adjusting the chain, then re-tightening the brake arm and rear axle to spec (72.5 ft lb for the rear axle)???

If not, you're going to have the same issues with the new chain that you had with the old one.

Also, if you adjust the chain on the swingarm stand you'll find that it's too loose or tight when you're sitting on the bike without the kickstand down or on the rear stand. That's when the chain slack needs to be in spec, not when it's on the stand or when you're off of the bike.

[busaBuster]

my bike is on a strut so i dont have to worry about the tension changing when i get on ....as for the brake arm i have never loosened it, when you loosen the axle nut doesnt the whole caliper move fwd when the tire goes back? what are you reffering to? why take the brake arm off? yep 72.5 ,i learned that one the hard way,stripped axle nut.....

[CADDYWOMPUS]

What do you find funny???? I have owned a ninja 600,ninja 900,four ZX11's,four busa's 2000,01,05 and an 08 and racked up close 300k between all of them,close to 100k just on busas's,I replace my chain every 7 to 10k and never had an isue with a Tsubaki chain. I bought an EK that was rated the same tensile strength as the Tsubaki Sigma and it stretched beyond belief in 500 miles after 4 adjustments figured it should be pretty much set,sprockets were in excellent condition as was my 05,ended up takin out my output shaft after one rolling burnout on a cold 50 degree night,stretched to shit. Thats why I say their junk,and now busa buster is having the same stretching issue,hmmmm. Same tensile strength as a Tsubaki but not the same result. Don't know about the EKzzz and could care less,one bad experiance is enough.

gip you leaving 3/4 slack and replacing chain every 7-10  tells me you dont know too much .You SHOULD  know modern o-ring chain goes 20,000 miles easy
Its no wonder you're breaking stuff either.

[busaBuster]

whoa whoa guys comon lets not turn this post into another big dick contest ,,,comon were all brothers, ive been down this road!....

[gjp1300]

gip you leaving 3/4 slack and replacing chain every 7-10  tells me you dont know too much .You SHOULD  know modern o-ring chain goes 20,000 miles easy
Its no wonder you're breaking stuff either.


Read all the posts moron,I don't break stuff thats the point.I have alot of miles on a motorcycle,around 300k and have never broken anything,except for when I bought that EK chain,and I ride extremely hard on the back roads,not puttin down the street to dunkin donuts. Suppose you gonna tell me when I should change my tires too,I have to replace my back tire every 3000 to 3500 miles,then the set at another 3500 miles,is that too soon for you? How hard you brake and accelerate and hit corners determines how long your tires last and how long your chain lasts for that matter,along with the weight,torque and hp of your bike,and the temperatures you ride in I ride my busa hard and thats when the chain is close to it max limit,I don't wait for things to break,changing a chain every 7500 or so miles is an insurance policy for me,chain or maybe an engine case,hmmmmmmmm,for anybody with a brain its easy to figure out,hint,hint. Maybe your one of those smart guys that waits for the chain to break then you know it had to be changed,that's not the way I do things,my bike is always in tiptop condition cause I ride too hard to take any chances,Eracer on this board can vouch for my riding skills and how hard I ride. Maybe a chain on a no torque,no hp piece of junk ZX12 will last that long,or I maybe you ride like a little bitch and thats the answer,I don't know and could care less, so go bark up someone Else's tree. Read all the posts before you chime in and secondly,your kawi manual may not tell you the correct adj for a hayabusa chain but the 08 hayabusa manual I have in my hand does,and it's .8 to 1.2 inches ,abit more than the size of your penis,so kiss my ass and go put your head back up your boyfriends rear and bother him would ya. 

[bigbill1441]

 

[piratediverjefff]

 

[Rocketgeezer]

Hey Bud, don't eat a lot of popcorn, but in the case of this post I got to go along with it

[FlatlandBusa]

gip you leaving 3/4 slack and replacing chain every 7-10  tells me you dont know too much .You SHOULD  know modern o-ring chain goes 20,000 miles easy
Its no wonder you're breaking stuff either.


Read all the posts moron,I don't break stuff thats the point.I have alot of miles on a motorcycle,around 300k and have never broken anything,except for when I bought that EK chain,and I ride extremely hard on the back roads,not puttin down the street to dunkin donuts. Suppose you gonna tell me when I should change my tires too,I have to replace my back tire every 3000 to 3500 miles,then the set at another 3500 miles,is that too soon for you? How hard you brake and accelerate and hit corners determines how long your tires last and how long your chain lasts for that matter,along with the weight,torque and hp of your bike,and the temperatures you ride in I ride my busa hard and thats when the chain is close to it max limit,I don't wait for things to break,changing a chain every 7500 or so miles is an insurance policy for me,chain or maybe an engine case,hmmmmmmmm,for anybody with a brain its easy to figure out,hint,hint. Maybe your one of those smart guys that waits for the chain to break then you know it had to be changed,that's not the way I do things,my bike is always in tiptop condition cause I ride too hard to take any chances,Eracer on this board can vouch for my riding skills and how hard I ride. Maybe a chain on a no torque,no hp piece of junk ZX12 will last that long,or I maybe you ride like a little bitch and thats the answer,I don't know and could care less, so go bark up someone Else's tree. Read all the posts before you chime in and secondly,your kawi manual may not tell you the correct adj for a hayabusa chain but the 08 hayabusa manual I have in my hand does,and it's .8 to 1.2 inches ,abit more than the size of your penis,so kiss my ass and go put your head back up your boyfriends rear and bother him would ya. 

Dude its just the internet, don't get your panties in a bunch.  People are allowed different opinions and an opinion was all that was stated.   

[piratediverjefff]

Hey Bud, don't eat a lot of popcorn, but in the case of this post I got to go along with it

 

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[gjp1300]

Well if someone wants to post something that makes sense and not insult someone I'm all for it,but post after you read all the posts and just chime in, then you won't make an insinuation that someone doesn't know how to adjust a chain, or a chain has to last 20k,ridicules,it matters how much abuse the chain goes through and I'm not trusting my engine cases to a chain with 20k on it the way I ride. I'm not a mad post whore or any other ranking of that caliber,and no offense to anyone that is, cause I'm out racking up miles on my bike and merely posted to give some help to a fellow rider by explaining my past experience with an EK chain is all. I've put enough new TSUBAKI chains on and adjusted them without a problem to have someone tell me that's why I break shit,my bikes DON'T BREAK so I find that insulting,Sorry. I been riding a sport bike for 26yrs,drag raced,been to Maxton without BREAKING anything so I think I know how to adjust a chain,lol, and I can read a motorcycle manual too,I guess I must be a little smarter than Pete says I am,maybe he's the one that's not too smart especially when he's the one making the moronic statements,lol. I'm really not mad or give a crap,I just enjoy riding and if Pete rode with me for a day he'd see why my maintainance schedule is different from his. I'm really not kidding when I say I rip up some back roads,I have some kick ass roads around here,the edges of my tires can prove it.   

[Rocketgeezer]

Well if someone wants to post something that makes sense and not insult someone I'm all for it,but post after you read all the posts and just chime in, then you won't make an insinuation that someone doesn't know how to adjust a chain, or a chain has to last 20k,ridicules,it matters how much abuse the chain goes through and I'm not trusting my engine cases to a chain with 20k on it the way I ride. I'm not a mad post whore or any other ranking of that caliber,and no offense to anyone that is, cause I'm out racking up miles on my bike and merely posted to give some help to a fellow rider by explaining my past experience with an EK chain is all. I've put enough new TSUBAKI chains on and adjusted them without a problem to have someone tell me that's why I break shit,my bikes DON'T BREAK so I find that insulting,Sorry. I been riding a sport bike for 26yrs,drag raced,been to Maxton without BREAKING anything so I think I know how to adjust a chain,lol, and I can read a motorcycle manual too,I guess I must be a little smarter than Pete says I am,maybe he's the one that's not too smart especially when he's the one making the moronic statements,lol. I'm really not mad or give a crap,I just enjoy riding and if Pete rode with me for a day he'd see why my maintainance schedule is different from his. I'm really not kidding when I say I rip up some back roads,I have some kick ass roads around here,the edges of my tires can prove it.   

Dude I dont think anybodys insulting you, and I think almost everybody here would agree that a thread on adjust the chain can go on for three or four pages is kind of funny, some guys have good luck with a certain chain some dont, put your two cents in and move on,

[gjp1300]

gip you leaving 3/4 slack and replacing chain every 7-10  tells me YOU DON'T KNOW TO MUCH .You SHOULD  know modern o-ring chain goes 20,000 miles easy
Its no wonder you're breaking stuff either.

Well Dave I guess you don't know too much,if you read this post and it was directed at you,your telling me you wouldn't get offended,right. See now me telling you you don't know too much your saying to yourself what a jerk,just trying to prove a point here Dave as I really don't mean it,but you would be offended.

[gjp1300]

Adjusting a chain is very simple,all one has to do is just look in the manual,how much debate could there be on it. My only input here was a bad experience with excess chain stretch which just so happened to be an EK,and it was nothing to do with my chain adjustment procedure as I never had the problem with a Tsubaki,only an EK,so that was the common point to busabusters post. I probably had a bad chain just like Busabuster and it's obviously a rare problem cause he's the only other person that I heard of have something similar happen, and it was nothing that he was doing wrong and he was really frustrated,that's all. Not a debate on my maintainance schedule or if I know how to adjust a chain,moving on now I'm done with this post.   

[Rocketgeezer]

gip you leaving 3/4 slack and replacing chain every 7-10  tells me YOU DON'T KNOW TO MUCH .You SHOULD  know modern o-ring chain goes 20,000 miles easy
Its no wonder you're breaking stuff either.

Well Dave I guess you don't know too much,if you read this post and it was directed at you,your telling me you wouldn't get offended,right. See now me telling you you don't know too much your saying to yourself what a jerk,just trying to prove a point here Dave as I really don't mean it,but you would be offended.

[piratediverjefff]

If i remember right,i had a Tsubaki chain on my first(or this one after the factory one)Busa and it was a tough ass chain,think it only stretched once or twice when new and then beat the piss out of it hard for thousands of miles.

[gjp1300]

Tsubaki must pre-stretch their chains more then EK from what I can tell,me and my friends swear Tsubaki,don't stray from what works well for you is all I have to say,it could cost you some big headaches as in my case.

[busaBuster]

fuck 20000 miles shit i wouldent roll more than 13000 even if it looks new....waitin on tsubaki...

[gjp1300]

Well at least someone agrees with me,lol.

[busaBuster]

i mean youll be ok with a 20,000 mile chain if you ride it like a cruiser but shit everybodys style  & pocket is different different, i know i change my chain when it hits 10,000 NO MATTER WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE, just because I know the abuse i put it through,but if you're low on cash then youll be like eeeeh ill put it off for a minute!!!!.......in fact dont the turbo =grudge= & top racing cats run their chains SUPER tight????