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Re: Gen II turbo street project
« Reply #50 on: January 11, 2011, 09:31:32 PM »
Hey Jason. Any progress since your last update?

How you been, btw?


Lot's of progress.  I just haven't had time to post about it.  I'll take some pics tomorrow and finish up this post next week with the latest and greatest.

I've been great.  The wife, family, and work is wonderful and in our economy I'm lucky to have a job.  Speaking of the job I got accepted to the EFOP at NFA last year.  I've got three more years left and I'm done........way done!

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Re: Gen II turbo street project
« Reply #51 on: January 11, 2011, 10:51:52 PM »
Very nice job Jason :tu:

I love the exchanger location 8)
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Re: Gen II turbo street project
« Reply #52 on: January 12, 2011, 08:31:42 AM »
OK......it's been some time since I've updated this thread.  I think the motor went in the bike in October 2010 and I started it in November.  I've had quite a few problems which I think is typical with a turbo bike.  The cheap ass stainless lines that I used for fuel and oil had to go because they leaked everywhere.  I had a few fuel leaks which were solved with new o-rings for the injectors and threadlock on the fuel rail fittings.  I also had a bad injector.  Lucky for me when I first started the bike ECU editor gave me the primary injector #4 code and I fixed it from there.  I had a hard time believing that a bike with 2K miles would have a bad injector but sure enough that's what it was.  I followed the instructions in the manual regarding that code and what to check with the multi-meter.  After the injector issue was resolved it by replacing it the bike ran like a champ! :lol: :thumb:

I did a few heat cycles on the bike around town and changed the oil to prepare it for some dyno time.  Bill Warner was nice enough to invite me down for dyno time/lessons.  I think I brought the bike down four times and made like 60-70 runs.  Bill was an awesome teacher.  He showed me the basics of dyno tuning with TPS maps and boost maps.  In addition, he helped me do quite a bit of trouble shooting.  As mentioned earlier turbo bikes have lots of issues/problems, Bill found several problems when the bike was on the dyno such as a loose crank trigger wire which caused the bike to fall out past 7K RPM, a blown fuel pump fuse which didn't allow the bike to start, and a few other things I can't remember.

The dyno days were fun and I learned a lot.  This was my first time tuning with gen II ECU Editor so there was a huge learning curve.  It was huge because the hardware and software was new to me and also I'm not an experienced motorcycle tuner.  I researched how to use ECU Editor and whatnot but as you guys know it's one thing to read up on something but it's completely different to implement it and do the hands on learning.  Once the gremlins were taken care of and the software was understood it was smooth sailing.  The IAP and TPS maps were tuned and it was time for boost tuning.  The great thing about boost tuning was that I had Bill there to guide me because I was a little nervous.  The last thing I wanted was for 10 months of building and fabricating to go down the drain.  Bill guided me tuning the boost map using spring pressure and explained the coorelation from that spring pressure map to the rest of the boost table.  After spring pressure was tuned Bill had to leave and I was on my own.  It was just me, the dyno, and the dogs.  I followed Bill's instructions and in a few hours the bike was fully tuned to 15 pounds of boost. :D :D :D :D :D :tu:

A tuned bike with boost was a wonderful Christmas present!  I cut up the fairings to fit and I've been trying to get use to the bike ever since.  I think I've been out on it five or six times in the last few weeks and I have two words........bad ass!  The gen II is very smooth and has lots of power.  As a matter of fact it has so much power it's wheelie prone in first, second, third, and fourth gear.  First through third are wicked violent wheelies.  Fourth is a little more controlled.  I'm still not use to the stock wheelbase turbo bike but I think in a month or so I'll be a little more confident.  The bike starts boosting at 3800RPM's at 15 pounds and 4500RPM at 8 pounds so throttle control is a little tricky especially around sweeping curves.

I really enjoyed the project and I'm thankful I've had help from board members and sponsors.  Thanks guys!

Bill Warner................................dyno jedi and tuning master helped me extensively with tuning
Richard at RCC.......built the ultra plenum, motor building advice, ECU Editor advice, and a butt load of other stuff
Greg Smith......built a bunch of ECU Editor related things, tech support for tuning, and various Busa parts
John Bullock........I modeled my bike from his and he helped with various things on the bike
Sportbikeryder John.....I got LOT'S of engine building advice from him

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« Last Edit: January 12, 2011, 04:25:00 PM by jgennaro »
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Re: Gen II turbo street project
« Reply #53 on: January 12, 2011, 09:56:31 AM »
what kind of hp did you get with 15 pounds of boost.what size turbo

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Re: Gen II turbo street project
« Reply #54 on: January 12, 2011, 10:13:00 AM »
The turbo is an McXpress 58/12 twin flow.  If I rember correctly spring pressure at 8.1 pounds of boost was 255 RWHP and 14.8 pounds of boost was 342 RWHP.  I'm at work so I don't know if I can find my datalogs and dyno runs.  I'll take a look later.

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Re: Gen II turbo street project
« Reply #55 on: January 12, 2011, 10:35:25 AM »
I forgot I have my laptop here today.   :tu:

Here's the log with ECU Editor at 14.8 pounds of boost:



The dyno sheet from that run:



Jason
« Last Edit: January 12, 2011, 11:01:51 AM by jgennaro »
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Re: Gen II turbo street project
« Reply #56 on: January 12, 2011, 10:51:42 AM »
The dyno sheet looks nice Jason  :tu:
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Re: Gen II turbo street project
« Reply #57 on: January 12, 2011, 11:03:33 AM »
The dyno sheet looks nice Jason  :tu:


Thank you.  I think there was a little wheel slip there over 10.5 RPM but other than that it's pretty good for pump fuel at 15 pounds on the street.

Jason
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Re: Gen II turbo street project
« Reply #58 on: January 12, 2011, 11:27:01 AM »
The dyno sheet looks nice Jason  :tu:


Thanks you.  I think there was a little wheel slip there over 10.5 RPM but other than that it's pretty good for pump fuel at 15 pounds on the street.

Jason

Very good result with pump piss  :tu:

I think you will have much more wheel slip when you are on the street with your bike  :mrgreen:  :bike:
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Re: Gen II turbo street project
« Reply #59 on: January 12, 2011, 12:35:24 PM »
Very Nice!
 I left they were just talking about the  ecu's and starting to hack them..

Now everyone can hack n tune them ---  nice :tu:

I have a lot of catching up to do...  :bike: :lol:

Great Job in the Bike Jason 8)


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Re: Gen II turbo street project
« Reply #60 on: February 02, 2011, 08:28:55 PM »
Nice job Jason!  340+ on pump gas.... :shock: :thumb:

Did yall ever turn it up and make the "real" pulls?

You had the best tuning for you, thats for sure....
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Re: Gen II turbo street project
« Reply #61 on: February 02, 2011, 10:41:45 PM »
Alan  :bah:

man I been gone too long... but running around again on the boosta, need to get to the cheeseman for tuning by months end..

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get the Oil Pump situation figured out Jason?

I wound up Gutting my MCXpump and running the cycle-tech one, and plugging the vent line off of the catchcan on the turbo.
Works like a charm with the two .060's

How is yours doing Jason?
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Re: Gen II turbo street project
« Reply #62 on: February 03, 2011, 07:46:27 PM »
Alan  :bah:

man I been gone too long... but running around again on the boosta, need to get to the cheeseman for tuning by months end..

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get the Oil Pump situation figured out Jason?

I wound up Gutting my MCXpump and running the cycle-tech one, and plugging the vent line off of the catchcan on the turbo.
Works like a charm with the two .060's

How is yours doing Jason?


Good to see you back Ron!  Glad you FINALLY got your bike running again...Its only been like 5 yrs....

BTW I got an old school now myself..... 91' Team Hammer/Valvoline Suzuki  GSXR750 road race bike......Its fun....slow, but fun. :D
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Re: Gen II turbo street project
« Reply #63 on: February 04, 2011, 10:51:53 AM »
Alan  :bah:

man I been gone too long... but running around again on the boosta, need to get to the cheeseman for tuning by months end..

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get the Oil Pump situation figured out Jason?

I wound up Gutting my MCXpump and running the cycle-tech one, and plugging the vent line off of the catchcan on the turbo.
Works like a charm with the two .060's

How is yours doing Jason?

Ron,

I did some research on it and what I neded up doing was tapping a 3/8" NPT additional vent from my crankcase and T'ing that into my vent line.  Basically when my catch can overflows it dumps it into the top of the crankcase breather.

Thus far it's worked well.  I'll see if I can get some pics of it. :tu:



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Re: Gen II turbo street project
« Reply #64 on: February 04, 2011, 12:14:52 PM »
Nice job Jason!  340+ on pump gas.... :shock: :thumb:

Did yall ever turn it up and make the "real" pulls?

You had the best tuning for you, thats for sure....


Alan,

It's just a street bike so there is no need to run the boost up real high.  That 15 pound run is the highest I've had it at.  I guess I could turn it up to 18 pounds on pump fuel and see what it puts out.  I would guess 370'ish.......but that's just a guess. 

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Re: Gen II turbo street project
« Reply #65 on: February 04, 2011, 04:53:31 PM »
Alan I know man insane but I am extremely happy to be Boosting again  :tu:
Going to have to make a trip to the Kill Country soon, working on a group off another board, if you're interested will keep you informed when we have a date.

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Ya Jason do that please, would make me feel SOOO much better then just the solution I am working with.. ince the new pump faisl atleast it will go somewhere other then my arm or the bike somewhere else...
I have the busa in the kitchen so I can do it while the snow/ice storm is down here..

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Re: Gen II turbo street project
« Reply #66 on: February 04, 2011, 05:21:34 PM »
Real cool project, well done.  Love the duel heat exchangers in the fairing. 

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Re: Gen II turbo street project
« Reply #67 on: February 28, 2011, 06:23:30 PM »
great project J  :thumb:

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Re: Gen II turbo street project
« Reply #68 on: October 28, 2011, 12:35:25 PM »
Very nice bike.
One asks where I can buy the boost compensate clutch?
Thanks.

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Re: Gen II turbo street project
« Reply #69 on: October 29, 2011, 07:02:45 AM »
Very nice bike.
One asks where I can buy the boost compensate clutch?
Thanks.

Andersson turbo.....in Sweden

You can probably contact him here:

http://www.turbo-bike.com/Andersson%20turbo%20Hayabusa.html

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« Reply #70 on: October 29, 2011, 07:38:00 AM »
I to send an e-mail days ago but I have not received answer.  :cry:
Thanks Jason.

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Re: Gen II turbo street project
« Reply #71 on: November 03, 2011, 01:33:18 PM »
Kool build and nice work!! :thumb: :thumb:

all that HP and a stock arm!!! Your a brave man!!

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« Reply #72 on: November 04, 2011, 12:00:57 PM »
Kool build and nice work!! :thumb: :thumb:

all that HP and a stock arm!!! Your a brave man!!

I thought about changing it but Terry at Mcintosh said it was fine for my HP and torque.  It's been about a year now and it hasn't folded or bent on me so I guess it's good.

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Re: Gen II turbo street project
« Reply #73 on: May 30, 2013, 05:51:46 AM »
Ultra heat exchangers


Ultra heat exchangers with front fairing on(turn signals are taken out)


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« Reply #74 on: July 28, 2013, 06:49:24 PM »
Killer :tu: