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Re: Mojave Mile
« Reply #175 on: April 17, 2011, 07:05:49 PM »
Well Scott it is a joke (that number, that is).  I knew what exactly the guy that was at the event said to explain the number and he has seen it in roadracing several times even showing a speed up 400.
Now that explanation is taken off the post... who got to you Jeff???  Feel free to post it again.
This is not stirring the pot, but more like a use of a centrifuge to get the crap to precipitate out.

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Re: Mojave Mile
« Reply #176 on: April 17, 2011, 07:47:24 PM »

Bill I asked Jeff to edit the part about the joke as it was not a joke when I posted it nor was it intended to be a joke. The negativety in this thread had finally died down so I asked him to please not stir things up. Jeff chose to remove the entire post. Again, merely this is what the GPS said when we pulled it from the bike. I would get where you were coming from if I came on here and said hey Noonan went 314 mph and here is the GPS to prove it, but that was never the case. You have twisted this and implied that was my intenion when it was not.

Well Scott it is a joke (that number, that is).  I knew what exactly the guy that was at the event said to explain the number and he has seen it in roadracing several times even showing a speed up 400.
Now that explanation is taken off the post... who got to you Jeff???  Feel free to post it again.
This is not stirring the pot, but more like a use of a centrifuge to get the crap to precipitate out.

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Re: Mojave Mile
« Reply #177 on: April 18, 2011, 06:57:57 AM »
bill, best to be fastest guy with the smallest mouth, then to be another fast guy with a BIG mouth  :duh:

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Re: Mojave Mile
« Reply #178 on: April 18, 2011, 07:25:40 AM »
bill, best to be fastest guy with the smallest mouth, then to be another fast guy with a BIG mouth  :duh:

Oh good, more intelligent contributions.

I'm looking forward to reading John's posts on this issue, and seeing how things play out ON THE TRACK.

Hope to see you all there.

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Re: Mojave Mile
« Reply #179 on: April 18, 2011, 09:52:43 AM »
I was not going to say anthing but when I saw the picture I knew that there would be trouble. I and others have an idea of what it would take to go that fast in a longer distance, in my opinion it will never happen in a mile, again my opinion. I have seen that pic on several sites and there are people that don't know any better
that believe everthing that they see. I have had people ask me if it was true and I told them no way. I've seen gps show wrong numbers several times, I even went 208 in the 1/4 mile, but knew it was bogus since I had been running high 180's all night and the pro street guys were running low 200's.  There is lots of money, time and pride at stake at going the top speeds. Bill speaks his mind (when others of us are thinking it), he's is highly competitive and very passionate about what he's doing. Like him or not you have to admire his ambition and testicular fortitude. Hopefully we can find out what caused the accident so that NO ONE else gets hurt or dies. Thanks, Tom   

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Re: Mojave Mile
« Reply #180 on: April 18, 2011, 10:16:04 AM »
Well saidTom! Gps speeds dont mean sh--. Timing slips are the only thing that counts.
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Re: Mojave Mile
« Reply #181 on: April 18, 2011, 11:10:30 AM »
fred, yes timing slips are what counts for most folks involved in lsr....

i keep getting emails about so and so going 300, people all over the world see this...

its like going to a theatre and seeing a firey action seen.....and posting publicly
that "you should have seen the big fire at the theatre".......

then sitting back....and "watching" the fallout...

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Re: Mojave Mile
« Reply #182 on: April 18, 2011, 12:16:07 PM »
First off let me say I'm glad John was not seriously injured in his get off. I spoke with John on the phone and it sounds like he is bruised but not broken.  He is a tough nut and I know he will be back soon enough!

Like Tom and many others, I knew that the gps reading would cause a stir.

In the dark ages of lsr, there would be gps postings from 9/10 events. The racers running SCTA and ECTA events dismissed the gps readings as they can easily be manipulated and are prone to erroneous readings.

Now many years later a gps reading causes a stir again!

The gps I use at bonneville has a time vs speed function which allows one to see the accurate speed or any discrepancies in acceleration or speed. If John's gps has this function it would be easy to show the actual speed when the bike crashed.

I don't believe that Scott or John would try to pass off the 314 gps reading as an accurate speed of the bike before, during or after the crash. Unfortunately there are many racers seeking sponsorship and working on lsr deals at present and the internet buzz that a guy went 314 mph in california detracts from what they are trying to achieve.

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Re: Mojave Mile
« Reply #183 on: April 18, 2011, 12:58:44 PM »
First off let me say I'm glad John was not seriously injured in his get off. I spoke with John on the phone and it sounds like he is bruised but not broken.  He is a tough nut and I know he will be back soon enough!

So are you, Jason!

Between you, John and Russ, you guys have over 600 mph in combined get-offs.  

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Re: Mojave Mile
« Reply #184 on: April 18, 2011, 01:28:21 PM »
No doubt Walt! Jason was racing again very soon after his accident. He had on his Superman underoos.

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« Reply #185 on: April 18, 2011, 02:24:38 PM »
Don't forget Fred at Bonneville, that makes 800 mph of get-offs. Let's not make it 1000.   LSL
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Re: Mojave Mile
« Reply #186 on: April 18, 2011, 03:32:05 PM »
I am going to do my best not to raise the number, again. :bike:
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Re: Mojave Mile
« Reply #187 on: April 18, 2011, 05:29:29 PM »
Me too Fred. That is one record i'm glad to loose!!!
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Re: Mojave Mile
« Reply #188 on: April 18, 2011, 08:07:06 PM »
I am going to do my best not to raise the number, again. :bike:

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Re: Mojave Mile
« Reply #189 on: April 18, 2011, 08:40:57 PM »
I call it the " Down over 200mph and walked away Club". The good thing is we lived to race another day. :moped:
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Re: Mojave Mile
« Reply #190 on: April 18, 2011, 09:39:31 PM »
I call it the " Down over 200mph and walked away Club". The good thing is we lived to race another day. :moped:

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Re: Mojave Mile
« Reply #191 on: April 19, 2011, 12:40:42 AM »
Well saidTom! Gps speeds dont mean sh--. Timing slips are the only thing that counts.

Just to put another wrench in the mix. I once ran a 1/4 mile drag race. et was 8.74 with a 301mph speed(according to the time slip) on a busa. I wish I had kept the time slip that night. That is why you have to back it up.  :D

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Re: Mojave Mile
« Reply #192 on: April 24, 2011, 02:30:19 PM »
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John is no rookie, but maybe something worst.... someone that went fast once in the past and now trying to play catchup with out walking through the necessary steps and knowledge.

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I find this to be the funniest post in this thread...and the truest showing of Bill's character.   :td:

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« Reply #193 on: April 24, 2011, 04:35:45 PM »
"John is no rookie, but maybe something worst.... someone that went fast once in the past and now trying to play catchup with out walking through the necessary steps and knowledge." 

Now that is just so wrong in so many ways I cannot believe you wrote that, let alone think it! I have watched John race for years now and have nothing but respect and admiration for his abilities.

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Re: Mojave Mile
« Reply #194 on: April 24, 2011, 04:49:10 PM »
"John is no rookie, but maybe something worst.... someone that went fast once in the past and now trying to play catchup with out walking through the necessary steps and knowledge." 

Now that is just so wrong in so many ways I cannot believe you wrote that, let alone think it! I have watched John race for years now and have nothing but respect and admiration for his abilities.

Thought LSR was a haven from all the trash talking,it used to be.



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Re: Mojave Mile
« Reply #195 on: April 24, 2011, 06:02:07 PM »
from the outside of this lil controversy...

I consider John a friend, he has helped me out plenty.
I consider Bill a friend, he has helped me out plenty.

From the outside, it appears that Bill has a point.
I have been told by two major 30 year Bonneville "experts" that the aeros of John's package are very tricky, much wind tunnel work is needed to help assure stability, "center of pressure" and that kind of stuff.
Does SCTA allow that style bodywork?
However, on LSR John said it was not due to aeros, but he didn't really say what he thought it was.

A year ago, at the Texas Mile, I pitted with Bill, saw him experimenting with new plastic, no where near as radical as John's, but Bill had stability issues.  Finally he ran naked, set the naked record
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Then he went back to the drawing board and apparently solved them, ran 278 at Texas in Oct, no apparent stability issues. He was in a wind tunnel earlier this year working on further improving the aeros.  He logs everything including chassis data, never quits developing.

Bill's observations may prevent someone less experienced than John from hurting himself.

Personally, I applaud Bill's one voice against many  :thumb:

And, i would sure like to hear John's thoughts on the aeros/stability of that package.

Karl
"John is no rookie, but maybe something worst.... someone that went fast once in the past and now trying to play catchup with out walking through the necessary steps and knowledge."  
Now that is just so wrong in so many ways I cannot believe you wrote that, let alone think it! I have watched John race for years now and have nothing but respect and admiration for his abilities.
Thought LSR was a haven from all the trash talking,it used to be.
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Re: Mojave Mile
« Reply #196 on: April 24, 2011, 06:36:30 PM »
Great post Karl  :thumb:
IMO whenever there's and accident, there always should be an investigation of some sort handled by the track. They should then post or release for everyone to learn from to help anyone else avoid an accident in the future.

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« Reply #197 on: April 24, 2011, 06:54:04 PM »
IMO whenever there's and accident, there always should be an investigation of some sort handled by the track. They should then post or release for everyone to learn from to help anyone else avoid an accident in the future.

HUGE agreement.
Bill & Dean & Shane & Tom have all done over 260 and each are hunting for more, they are each friends to most of us.
Anything shared that could prevent them or someone else from getting hurt in their pursuit of crazy speeds is needed. No not just needed, but fukken obligatory!

We don't depend on fukken rules to keep us safe, we depend on our common sense, testing, and sharing.

That said, I'm just an NA guy who hasn't cracked 220, so don't listen to me. :bike:
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Re: Mojave Mile
« Reply #198 on: April 24, 2011, 07:35:46 PM »
Well saidTom! Gps speeds dont mean sh--. Timing slips are the only thing that counts.

If that's the case i have a slip for 397mph from Bonneville back in 03, I just couldn't back it up..but its true!!

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Re: Mojave Mile
« Reply #199 on: April 24, 2011, 08:59:16 PM »
Great post Karl.  :tu:

I agree with Tom too about the accident investigation. That is a very good idea.

from the outside of this lil controversy...

I consider John a friend, he has helped me out plenty.
I consider Bill a friend, he has helped me out plenty.

From the outside, it appears that Bill has a point.
I have been told by two major 30 year Bonneville "experts" that the aeros of John's package are very tricky, much wind tunnel work is needed to help assure stability, "center of pressure" and that kind of stuff.
Does SCTA allow that style bodywork?
However, on LSR John said it was not due to aeros, but he didn't really say what he thought it was.

A year ago, at the Texas Mile, I pitted with Bill, saw him experimenting with new plastic, no where near as radical as John's, but Bill had stability issues.  Finally he ran naked, set the naked record
.
Then he went back to the drawing board and apparently solved them, ran 278 at Texas in Oct, no apparent stability issues. He was in a wind tunnel earlier this year working on further improving the aeros.  He logs everything including chassis data, never quits developing.

Bill's observations may prevent someone less experienced than John from hurting himself.

Personally, I applaud Bill's one voice against many  :thumb:

And, i would sure like to hear John's thoughts on the aeros/stability of that package.

Karl
"John is no rookie, but maybe something worst.... someone that went fast once in the past and now trying to play catchup with out walking through the necessary steps and knowledge."  
Now that is just so wrong in so many ways I cannot believe you wrote that, let alone think it! I have watched John race for years now and have nothing but respect and admiration for his abilities.
Thought LSR was a haven from all the trash talking,it used to be.

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