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Offline Mike Borders

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You guys want a bikes-only event at Mojave?
« on: June 20, 2011, 03:41:04 PM »
See my other post on the new asphalt at Mojave.  Just throwing this out there, but if enough of you are interested (over 100) in having a 2-day bikes-only event on what will be the finest racing surface you will ever see, post up here and let's see what level of interest there is.  We have a lot of flexibility for scheduling events at Mojave, and we can certainly make this happen if enough of you want to do it.

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Re: You guys want a bikes-only event at Mojave?
« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2011, 04:32:25 PM »
Great idea, what's the average bike count for the races that have been held previously.

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Re: You guys want a bikes-only event at Mojave?
« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2011, 06:18:02 PM »
Great idea, what's the average bike count for the races that have been held previously.

Tom,

So far, we've seen numbers in the 20s, we think partly because of schedule timing, and partly because we are new.  We are hoping to see an uptick due to the loss of Maxton and the changes at Texas.  We realize the Maxton folks would have to drive a long way, which is why we would want to make the event 2 days for them to get the best value, but if interest doesn't materialize, we can also do some planning for a 1 day event, and for that I would probably need about 60 bikes to come.  The upside would be LOTS of runs, as you guys are quick to get on/off the course, plus a superb surface with lots of run-out for those select few in the 250+ range.  The new runway surface means that, if needed, we could start all the way at one end, and STILL have 1.3 MILES of shutdown, and you won't find that anywhere else on asphalt.  With the repaving, the total usable runway distance is now 12,500 feet, or almost 2.4 miles.

I'm also willing to entertain resetting the mile start-line for the super-fast bikes (and cars) that attend a regular meet if they express concern about stopping safely from the standard mile layout, which has a stopping distance to the first turnout of 3/4 mile, and slightly over 1 mile to the far end.  So far, it hasn't been a problem but we haven't seen the 270+ mph passes here yet.  One thing I will guarantee is that we will do everything possible to keep racers safe, as anyone who was here in April when John went down will attest. 

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Re: You guys want a bikes-only event at Mojave?
« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2011, 07:00:33 PM »
Thanks, it's good to see that you are willing to work with the racers and concerned about their wants rather than the spectators.

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Re: You guys want a bikes-only event at Mojave?
« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2011, 08:15:10 PM »
I'd be game depending on timing.

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Re: You guys want a bikes-only event at Mojave?
« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2011, 11:07:42 PM »
I'd be willing to make the trip in Nov  :wink: say the week before or after Elmo meet  :tu:
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Re: You guys want a bikes-only event at Mojave?
« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2011, 02:08:53 AM »
Mike, after racing at Bonneville for the last 6 years and seeing my bike disintegrate from the salt corrosion, I am seriously looking at your venue. A bikes only event is a good idea. Have you looked into getting AMA or other sanctioning? Running on the runway would be great, but if the speeds were from a recognized body like AMA, SCTA, FIM, etc, it would be much better.
I want to get to Mojave, but would for sure if the records were sanctioned.
Thanks for thinking of the bikers.
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Re: You guys want a bikes-only event at Mojave?
« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2011, 07:53:20 AM »
Mike, That would be way cool! I am crazy about a 2 day event so I could spend some time testing and tuning.
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Re: You guys want a bikes-only event at Mojave?
« Reply #8 on: June 21, 2011, 09:03:44 AM »
Mike, have ya'll considered running a 1.5-mile? with all that extra runway length?
Maybe timing at the 1mile & 1.5 mile? 

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Re: You guys want a bikes-only event at Mojave?
« Reply #9 on: June 21, 2011, 01:36:23 PM »
@donpearsall:  Yes, in fact I would like to soon move our program towards sanctioned records such as these, (both for cars and bikes, but we'll stick with bikes for this discussion) and I request those of you that are more knowledgable about these organizations or that represent them contact me to discuss the best way to go about this.  For example, we could certainly adopt the current asphalt 1-mile records from Maxton, as these are, to my knowledge, the only sanctioned asphalt ones being recorded (I also know Texas recognizes them, too, but not sure of the exact mechanics of this).  But, as I understand it, if I were to run, say, a 1.3 mile course, which I could do easily, those records would not translate to El Mirage because of the surface differences.  Now, I know all this is obvious, but I guess what I am asking is, what do you guys think is the best way to put our venue to use, and to make it an event everyone would mark on their calendar to attend?

@bulletb:  Yes, I could set up a 1.5 mile course, but what would be the reason to do so?  I am not being flippant here, I am wondering if there has been interest in this amongst the bike community in the past but, before Mojave, not having a venue capable of supporting this length?  Also, for many, running 1.5 miles would raise the top speed bar considerably (I'm thinking of the 190-210 mph group here, who suddenly find themselves hitting 230+), which, from the safety standpoint, has implications on gear, tires, driver skill, and aero effects, and from the equipment standpoint, has implications on gearing, setup, testing, and additional bike prep.  You know better than I if the bike community is prepared for this, or even wants it, and I would be very interested in hearing perspective from you guys on this.  My current thought is that if there is significant interest in creating a 1.3 mile asphalt event complete with a full set of classes and records similar to Maxton or El Mirage, I would be very interested in discussing it.

If any of my assumptions above are wrong, please correct me, but I certainly want to keep the dialogue going, as you guys are the most active "top speed" bike forum out there, and amongst your posters are some of the most experienced racers in the sport.

Mike B.

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Re: You guys want a bikes-only event at Mojave?
« Reply #10 on: June 21, 2011, 01:45:48 PM »
I think the 1.5 would draw more people because of the chance to run higher or possibly the highest mph ever depending on temps and winds. There would only be around 10 mph higher than the mile. Something that I always missed from drag racing was incremental times/speed. Another thing from drag racing that would help would be a tracked prepped with VHT, there I go dreaming again.
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Re: You guys want a bikes-only event at Mojave?
« Reply #11 on: June 21, 2011, 02:20:16 PM »
I would like to see 1.5 miles. There is a whole bunch of Texas racers going 2500 miles to Loring Maine. The reason is the 1.5 mile, super smooth track. Most of us LSR types are interested in one thing, how fast can we go. You are much closer than Maine, to Texas. Lots of us are on a limited budget. We want the most bang for the buck, so to speak. IMHO

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Re: You guys want a bikes-only event at Mojave?
« Reply #12 on: June 21, 2011, 02:26:02 PM »
Mike,  my perspective, as a land speed competitor, is that as racers, we are looking for the longest, safest venue, with the best traction available, & the least possible maintenance, (ie...Bonneville),  Just look at Loring, the amount of interest it has drawn, in a couple of short years? even being way up in the northeast corner of this great nation. (new records are soon to be set there!)(World Records). Lord knows that pavement, surpasses the salt & dirt at the other long venues. Records are records, even world records, wherever they are accomplished, as long as there are recorded with accurate timing equipment, (NO GPS). No one I know, disputes the speeds that are achieved at Texas, Maxton, Mojave,or Woodbridge (mile venues). As it stands only Loring & Bonneville offer a longer run to achieve higher speeds.
I would be interested in attending Mojave, if there was a way to go faster, than say Texas, at such an altitude difference.
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Re: You guys want a bikes-only event at Mojave?
« Reply #13 on: June 21, 2011, 03:31:44 PM »
Timing at the 1-mile and 1.5-mile would be great!  I'm interested in racing at Mojave as well as Loring because of the longer course/shutdown and smoother surface. 

Realistically, it will probably be next year before I'm back to racing again but it's nice to see what other events are out there...
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Re: You guys want a bikes-only event at Mojave?
« Reply #14 on: June 21, 2011, 03:43:55 PM »
The surface is amazing—absolutely smooth. Only hang up is that you can't warm your tire up in a burnout box.

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Re: You guys want a bikes-only event at Mojave?
« Reply #15 on: June 21, 2011, 04:46:43 PM »
Timing at the 1-mile and 1.5-mile would be great!  I'm interested in racing at Mojave as well as Loring because of the longer course/shutdown and smoother surface. 

Realistically, it will probably be next year before I'm back to racing again but it's nice to see what other events are out there...
When the winds are bad in Texas I only run to 1/2 mile, currently relying on gps :(. I have an idea of what I should go based off of that. Others with more data logging have this info. but I do not yet.

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Re: You guys want a bikes-only event at Mojave?
« Reply #16 on: June 21, 2011, 07:30:59 PM »
For me if things are fixed and timing is right I would go 1 mile or/and 1.5 miles

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Re: You guys want a bikes-only event at Mojave?
« Reply #17 on: June 21, 2011, 11:07:08 PM »
I like the all bike idea & the 1.5 mile but most of all that you ask what the racers would like  :thumb:

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Re: You guys want a bikes-only event at Mojave?
« Reply #18 on: June 27, 2011, 02:06:31 AM »
Mike,
               I will be going to Mojave in oct , it is in my back yard , it takes me about 45 minutes to 1 hr to get there . a 1.5 mile would be perfect . We would have a 1.5 mile event on the east and west coast it doesnt get any better then that .

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Re: You guys want a bikes-only event at Mojave?
« Reply #19 on: June 27, 2011, 07:02:40 AM »
Mike,
               I will be going to Mojave in oct , it is in my back yard , it takes me about 45 minutes to 1 hr to get there . a 1.5 mile would be perfect . We would have a 1.5 mile event on the east and west coast it doesnt get any better then that .

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Re: You guys want a bikes-only event at Mojave?
« Reply #20 on: June 27, 2011, 07:56:18 AM »
Mike,
               I will be going to Mojave in oct , it is in my back yard , it takes me about 45 minutes to 1 hr to get there . a 1.5 mile would be perfect . We would have a 1.5 mile event on the east and west coast it doesnt get any better then that .

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Re: You guys want a bikes-only event at Mojave?
« Reply #21 on: June 27, 2011, 08:34:11 AM »
Mike,
               I will be going to Mojave in oct , it is in my back yard , it takes me about 45 minutes to 1 hr to get there . a 1.5 mile would be perfect . We would have a 1.5 mile event on the east and west coast it doesnt get any better then that .

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« Reply #22 on: June 27, 2011, 01:15:15 PM »
For those making the long haul, a three day event Fri-Sun would be great also.
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Re: You guys want a bikes-only event at Mojave?
« Reply #23 on: June 28, 2011, 09:09:13 AM »
1.5 miles for sure would generate the most interest and response!

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