Author Topic: 1000cc bikes vs Busa's (Read 115106 times) Tweet

SEJ · « **Reply #100 on:** December 27, 2011, 02:48:22 PM »

But those are real world numbers. Bikes are geared for their displacement, powerband, and rev range. 1st gen Busa redlines at 11,000, 05'- 06' 1000 13,500. Everything is relative. Mid part of the rev range is mid part regardless. That's why 10,000 RPM on a 600 is considered mid range. My point in the beginning of this whole thing is that an 05'- 06' GSX-R 1000 is just like a Busa in that it doesn't matter what gear, what rpm, or what speed you are travelling at, just twist your wrist and it GOES!!!

Busashot · « **Reply #101 on:** December 27, 2011, 02:57:26 PM »

I don't agree with that........real world is to be in the best gear to win.....the Busa sucks in 5th and 6th gear when the stock sprockets are in use.

The Blackbird rolls out better than the Busa in a couple gears and it is 30hp less than the Gen I Busa

Kirk · « **Reply #102 on:** December 27, 2011, 03:03:10 PM »

Yeah. When was the last time you raced someone starting out in 6th gear, especially on a Hayabusa- that's stupid.

If you want to make an apples to apples comparison, put the Gixxer 1000 in 6th, put the Hayabusa in 3rd, so that they both have similar gearing and are starting from similar engine speeds and road speeds, and then do a roll-on.

gsx-rboy750 · « **Reply #103 on:** December 27, 2011, 03:29:13 PM »

Quote from: Kirk on December 27, 2011, 03:03:10 PM

Yeah. When was the last time you raced someone starting out in 6th gear, especially on a Hayabusa- that's stupid.

If you want to make an apples to apples comparison, put the Gixxer 1000 in 6th, put the Hayabusa in 3rd, so that they both have similar gearing and are starting from similar engine speeds and road speeds, and then do a roll-on.

That makes much more sence

SEJ · « **Reply #104 on:** December 27, 2011, 05:40:27 PM »

So... You guys actually think that a 3rd to 6th gear comparison is apples to apples?

Considering they're both geared for somewhere around 200mph in 6th stock (Kirk please confirm this as I don't have the time to dig up the actual numbers) Hmmmmm
maybe the busa should start out in second gear and the 1000 in 1st since the 1000 has such a tall 1st gear because of the close ratio trans... You see where I'm going with this. You can't compare on hard numbers like gear ratios unless it's a busa to busa (or any other same bike) comparison. Yes, you can compare a busa to ZX14, or 1000's to each other, I can't believe I actually have to say that, but I do so that I don't get hammered for it as well...

And of course, we all gear our own bikes for personal preferences, or needs.

Kirk · « **Reply #105 on:** December 27, 2011, 06:53:06 PM »

Quote from: SEJ on December 27, 2011, 05:40:27 PM

...maybe the busa should start out in second gear and the 1000 in 1st since the 1000 has such a tall 1st gear because of the close ratio trans... You see where I'm going with this. You can't compare on hard numbers like gear ratios...

No, actually first gear on the Gixxer 1000 is even deeper than first gear on the Hayabusa.

Two additional teeth on the back of the Hayabusa would make first gear about the same as a stock Gixxer 1000.

Any way you slice it, the Gixxer 1000 is at a disadvantage in a straight line.

SEJ · « **Reply #106 on:** December 27, 2011, 07:24:08 PM »

I fully understand the math... But if you factor in redline, the Busa is at 83 mph in 1st, the 1000 is at 101mph!!! Are you just messing with me or what??? Don't insult my intelligence. A Busa with the 1000 trans. ratio would suck! You'd be wasting it's torque. Gear a stock Busa for 6 gears at the dragstrip and see how much slower you go...

gsx-rboy750 · « **Reply #107 on:** December 27, 2011, 07:31:37 PM »

Quote from: Kirk on December 27, 2011, 06:53:06 PM

Quote from: SEJ on December 27, 2011, 05:40:27 PM
...maybe the busa should start out in second gear and the 1000 in 1st since the 1000 has such a tall 1st gear because of the close ratio trans... You see where I'm going with this. You can't compare on hard numbers like gear ratios...

No, actually first gear on the Gixxer 1000 is even deeper than first gear on the Hayabusa.

Two additional teeth on the back of the Hayabusa would make first gear about the same as a stock Gixxer 1000.

Any way you slice it, the Gixxer 1000 is at a disadvantage in a straight line.

I was fucking around, I personally dont agree with that.

Busashot · « **Reply #108 on:** December 27, 2011, 07:58:50 PM »

There is a point where gearing too much can be detrimental to straight line performance especially in first gear but not as much as you seem to make it sound like.

I have mine geared +6 in the rear and it does just fine. When I had -1/+6 it seemed like a lot but it still accelerated better but to be in the right spot in every gear I short shifted a few 100 rpms than before. I preferred +6 only. I still use it everywhere drags/roadcourse/street......almost the perfect gearing for my bike's HP and my bike/rider weight.

My old 750 Turbo was geared -1/+2 5 speed trans and I foot shifted at 50ft out just before the 60ft, this was at 9200rpms..going through the traps in 5th at 9400rpms........that is a bitch with a decent launch on street tire.....

bryanclapper69 · « **Reply #109 on:** January 03, 2012, 01:21:34 PM »

Quote from: Kirk on December 08, 2011, 01:51:25 PM

Quote from: bryanclapper69 on December 08, 2011, 09:41:00 AM
stk for stk a 05-08 1000 is faster than a busa with a lite rider

Lol.

Under what conditions are you claiming this?

I live at the drag strip in the summer and have seen it time and time again. My son is 15 150 suited and has been 8.82 at 153 on my bone stk motor 06 1000. Aint many busas that will do that. Same power as a gen 1 busa and 100lbs lighter!!!!

SEJ · « **Reply #110 on:** January 04, 2012, 06:36:44 AM »

Amen.

Kirk · « **Reply #111 on:** January 07, 2012, 08:55:59 PM »

Quote from: bryanclapper69 on January 03, 2012, 01:21:34 PM

Quote from: Kirk on December 08, 2011, 01:51:25 PM
Quote from: bryanclapper69 on December 08, 2011, 09:41:00 AM
stk for stk a 05-08 1000 is faster than a busa with a lite rider

Lol.

Under what conditions are you claiming this?

I live at the drag strip in the summer and have seen it time and time again. My son is 15 150 suited and has been 8.82 at 153 on my bone stk motor 06 1000. Aint many busas that will do that. Same power as a gen 1 busa and 100lbs lighter!!!!

Interesting and yet intellectually dishonest manipulation of semantics.

"st[oc]k for st[oc]k" becomes bone st[oc]k "motor". No showroom stock '06 Gixxer 1000 has gone any 8.82 at 153 mph. You want to put up a picture of this bike so that we can see how heavily modified this allegedly stock bike is?

By the way, the word "stock" is not spelled "stk".

Busashot · « **Reply #112 on:** January 07, 2012, 09:16:48 PM »

Quit stirring shit Kirk.....

The word "Stock" sure gets thrown around in all directions. In the world of cars and bikes, stock means as bought from the showroom floor. My bike isn't stock. Once you do any mod no matter how small it may seem, it is no longer stock. Mine looks almost stock except for some bling (wheels).....so I usually lie and tell the ignorants that it is stock......

Kirk · « **Reply #113 on:** January 07, 2012, 11:28:06 PM »

...mine has "cop shocks", and "cop tires", and it was built before the year of the catalytic converter, so it runs great on regular gas...

Kirk · « **Reply #114 on:** January 08, 2012, 12:27:07 AM »

Duplicate post.

SEJ · « **Reply #115 on:** January 09, 2012, 11:26:16 AM »

He said bone stock motor, not stock bike. I've always taken that as an internally stock engine...

bryanclapper69 · « **Reply #116 on:** January 09, 2012, 12:05:20 PM »

Here you go!!!!!

bryanclapper69 · « **Reply #117 on:** January 09, 2012, 12:06:11 PM »

here is an 8.86 pass you can check out since Im full of shit!!!

Kirk · « **Reply #118 on:** January 09, 2012, 08:26:04 PM »

Yeah, that looks stock...

Kirk · « **Reply #119 on:** January 09, 2012, 08:30:30 PM »

Quote from: Busashot on January 07, 2012, 09:16:48 PM

Quit stirring shit Kirk.....

The word "Stock" sure gets thrown around in all directions. In the world of cars and bikes, stock means as bought from the showroom floor. My bike isn't stock. Once you do any mod no matter how small it may seem, it is no longer stock. Mine looks almost stock except for some bling (wheels).....so I usually lie and tell the ignorants that it is stock......

Yeah:

Quote from: bryanclapper69 on December 14, 2011, 02:56:04 PM

I have a 06 1000 10 over...

So he took a perfectly good Gixxer 1000 and modified it so that it wouldn't turn, it wouldn't stop, and he'd reduced it's top speed by about 35 mph.

SEJ · « **Reply #120 on:** January 10, 2012, 06:08:24 AM »

If you "lived" at the dragstrip like bryanclapper69, would you bring your roadracer that's set up for roadracing? I think not! What's your point? Stock engine is the claim, NOT stock bike...
You're getting side tracked just to prove WHAT..............???

bryanclapper69 · « **Reply #121 on:** January 10, 2012, 08:14:57 AM »

Quote from: Kirk on January 09, 2012, 08:30:30 PM

Quote from: Busashot on January 07, 2012, 09:16:48 PM
Quit stirring shit Kirk.....

The word "Stock" sure gets thrown around in all directions. In the world of cars and bikes, stock means as bought from the showroom floor. My bike isn't stock. Once you do any mod no matter how small it may seem, it is no longer stock. Mine looks almost stock except for some bling (wheels).....so I usually lie and tell the ignorants that it is stock......

Yeah:

Quote from: bryanclapper69 on December 14, 2011, 02:56:04 PM
I have a 06 1000 10 over...

So he took a perfectly good Gixxer 1000 and modified it so that it wouldn't turn, it wouldn't stop, and he'd reduced it's top speed by about 35 mph.

so you like to cruz around, we like to go fast in a hurry. lmao Just givin ya what you asked for!!!

Penianator · « **Reply #122 on:** January 10, 2012, 08:32:02 AM »

tell your son good work!!! Thats some good riding

SEJ · « **Reply #123 on:** January 10, 2012, 10:38:38 AM »

bryanclapper69 · « **Reply #124 on:** January 10, 2012, 10:47:05 AM »

Quote from: Penianator on January 10, 2012, 08:32:02 AM

tell your son good work!!! Thats some good riding

Thanks man!!! Not to bad for only bein 15 lol

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