Your experienced advice on wheelies

[rider44]

My 2011 Busa picks up the front tire in first gear out around 7k rpms, it makes me let out when the wheel is in the air and then shift to second. Since I am fairly new to these bikes, can anyone tell me how high these bikes generally bring the front tire in the air in first gear if I dont let off until redline? Dont want to skin my bike or my butt...LOL Also what is the easiest solution to keeping the front tire down other than parking it?  LOL... MY HAT IS OFF TO YOU GUYS THAT CAN RIDE WHEELIES SO WELL. I'm just not comfortable with it yet. Thanks friends...

[Ghost-Geezer]

Don't!  The ground is hard and you are soft.  Handlebars taste like sh-t, I know, broken collar bone, shattered left kneecap, severed patella tendon and broken right foot.  Doin' a wheelie. That is just my advice.  Take it for what it is worth.   

[FlatlandBusa]

My 2011 Busa picks up the front tire in first gear out around 7k rpms, it makes me let out when the wheel is in the air and then shift to second. Since I am fairly new to these bikes, can anyone tell me how high these bikes generally bring the front tire in the air in first gear if I dont let off until redline?

You would make like an airplane and loop it.

Dont want to skin my bike or my butt...LOL Also what is the easiest solution to keeping the front tire down other than parking it?  LOL... MY HAT IS OFF TO YOU GUYS THAT CAN RIDE WHEELIES SO WELL. I'm just not comfortable with it yet. Thanks friends...

Less throttle

[03svt-08busa]

the height of a wheelie is directly proportional to testicle size and inversely proportional to i.q.

That applies to any bike.

[rider44]

LOL...  Thanks Guys... What do you suggest as a mod to keep the front tire down, so I can use the power in first gear?

[FlatlandBusa]

LOL...  Thanks Guys... What do you suggest as a mod to keep the front tire down, so I can use the power in first gear?

If you are just into drag racing, lower it and extend the swing arm 3-4 inches.

[rider44]

What would I need to buy to lower and extend the swing arms? Is it something I can do at home? Be patient with me, I am new to these bikes and mods,LOL. Thanks

[Ghost-Geezer]

The absolute best way would be to rake the front end and then put a few inches in the swing arm and lower it.  Raking the front end would be McIntosh.  They do outstanding work IMO.

That would also give you more hi-speed stability.    

[FlatlandBusa]

The absolute best way would be to rake the front end and then put a few inches in the swing arm and lower it.  Raking the front end would be McIntosh.  They do outstanding work IMO.

That would also give you more hi-speed stability.    

Pricey and labor intensive.

[FlatlandBusa]

What would I need to buy to lower and extend the swing arms? Is it something I can do at home? Be patient with me, I am new to these bikes and mods,LOL. Thanks

The least expensive/easiest way for the front end would to buy a 1.5" bar riser and pull the fork tubes up in the triple trees,, for the back swing arm extensions, lowering links, and a longer chain.

Yes all this can be easily done at home if you have basic mechanical skills.

[rider44]

Thanks Flat...  How much should I extend them? What brand parts do you recommend? Just add to existing chain? Thanks

[03svt-08busa]

Thanks Flat...  How much should I extend them? What brand parts do you recommend? Just add to existing chain? Thanks

The more you stretch it, the worse it corners. Try the risers for the front, and lowering links in the rear. that's cheap and easy. Don't stretch an existing chain, buy a new one. A swing arm stretch will run you around 400-500$ total. You'll need the extensions, brake line, and chain.  The risers and links will be well under 200$, and will probably solve most of your problem.

[FlatlandBusa]

Thanks Flat...  How much should I extend them? What brand parts do you recommend? Just add to existing chain? Thanks

The more you stretch it, the worse it corners. Try the risers for the front, and lowering links in the rear. that's cheap and easy. Don't stretch an existing chain, buy a new one. A swing arm stretch will run you around 400-500$ total. You'll need the extensions, brake line, and chain.  The risers and links will be well under 200$, and will probably solve most of your problem.

^^What he said.

[FlatlandBusa]

Thanks Flat...  How much should I extend them? What brand parts do you recommend? Just add to existing chain? Thanks

Try here, a site supporter.

http://www.soupysperformance.com/hayabusa_products.html

[bulletb]

Just a suggestion,

You might try a frt end strap...(a Brock's suggestion)...as it helps take the "spring" out of the frt forks, when the motor lifts the frt end!
also lowering the frt end....it's best used with the upper triple tree, when you raise the forks, to lower the frt.

Some of us LSR racing guys & gals use them in our Mile competion, so we can leave the line just like in Drag racing!
It's adjustable so you don't have to "tie" down the forks that tight.
It's seems to help me.....& I had doubts about the handling & turning....but to my suprise....no problem.

Bob.

[03svt-08busa]

Just a suggestion,

You might try a frt end strap...(a Brock's suggestion)...as it helps take the "spring" out of the frt forks, when the motor lifts the frt end!
also lowering the frt end....it's best used with the upper triple tree, when you raise the forks, to lower the frt.

Some of us LSR racing guys & gals use them in our Mile competion, so we can leave the line just like in Drag racing!
It's adjustable so you don't have to "tie" down the forks that tight.
It's seems to help me.....& I had doubts about the handling & turning....but to my suprise....no problem.

Bob.

are you suggesting that he ride his bike with the front end strapped????!!!??? DONT DO THAT.

[Nosgsx1300]

Thanks Flat...  How much should I extend them? What brand parts do you recommend? Just add to existing chain? Thanks

The more you stretch it, the worse it corners. Try the risers for the front, and lowering links in the rear. that's cheap and easy. Don't stretch an existing chain, buy a new one. A swing arm stretch will run you around 400-500$ total. You'll need the extensions, brake line, and chain.  The risers and links will be well under 200$, and will probably solve most of your problem.

the "slower" it will handle
I can drag parts no problem with good tires
it is the good part is, it flattracks out of corners much better

[gjp1300]

I got a better idea how about you just keep riding it and get used to the bike,wheelies are fun once you know what your doing,that's what jap bikes are made for......cornering and wheelies in my opinion, which equates to fun. I wouldn't ruin the bike by lowering and stretching it like most people do to the busa and then they say the busa's don't handle,lol,every time I go riding with a knee dragger on 750 or 1k I get the same reaction,holy shit!! I didn't know those bikes could handle like that as I'm leaving black lines off my tire in the corners and walking away from them in the twisties,freakin awsome!!!  If you want to go drag racing lower it(3 position lowering links for the rear and strap the front) and get a good clutch hand,raise it back up and go hit some corners when you get back from the track,that's what I do as I don't want a one dimensional bike,once you lower and stretch it the bike is just good for going straight line......boring. Just my 2cents.

[Ghost-Geezer]

The absolute best way would be to rake the front end and then put a few inches in the swing arm and lower it.  Raking the front end would be McIntosh.  They do outstanding work IMO.

That would also give you more hi-speed stability.    

Pricey and labor intensive.

Agreed, but quite effective.

[Red]

I got a better idea how about you just keep riding it and get used to the bike,wheelies are fun once you know what your doing,that's what jap bikes are made for......
Cornering and wheelies in my opinion, which equates to fun.

I wouldn't ruin the bike by lowering and stretching it like most people do to the busa and then they say the busa's don't handle,lol,every time I go riding with a knee dragger on 750 or 1k I get the same reaction,holy shit!!

I didn't know those bikes could handle like that as I'm leaving black lines off my tire in the corners and walking away from them in the twisties,freakin awsome!!! 

If you want to go drag racing lower it(3 position lowering links for the rear and strap the front) and get a good clutch hand,raise it back up and go hit some corners when you get back from the track,that's what I do as I don't want a one dimensional bike,once you lower and stretch it the bike is just good for going straight line......boring.

Just my 2cents.
 

Just keep shifting it & ride it out . . .

Wheelies are BIG FUN !

Red,    *<(:{)-

[Ghost-Geezer]

Great pic............ballls up.   

[sportbikeryder]

Set your bike up like this, but leave the motor stock instead of putting the turbo on and keep the stock gearing. No more wheelies. 

[shorttrack]

just do not panic and take easy in 1st gear.

[BlackJackel]

LOL...  Thanks Guys... What do you suggest as a mod to keep the front tire down, so I can use the power in first gear?

I can pin the throttle at any speed on the street with no wheelies.  However, I'm at mile high (less power) with an 8" stretch and lowered.  I got the stretch first and still didn't have any wheelie issues then either.
From a roll on I don't have any wheelspin either, but I spin 1st some at the track (7200 rpm launch).

The front strap and lowering helps too though.  If you want to keep it stock wheelbase for the twisties you will just have to learn how much throttle to give it (rode for years on SWB), if you don't mind losing some of that quick handling, a 6-8" stretch and no more wheelies, just thrust...

hope it helps.

[Kirk]

I got a better idea how about you just keep riding it and get used to the bike,wheelies are fun once you know what your doing,that's what jap bikes are made for......cornering and wheelies in my opinion, which equates to fun. I wouldn't ruin the bike by lowering and stretching it like most people do to the busa and then they say the busa's don't handle,lol,every time I go riding with a knee dragger on 750 or 1k I get the same reaction,holy shit!! I didn't know those bikes could handle like that as I'm leaving black lines off my tire in the corners and walking away from them in the twisties,freakin awsome!!!  If you want to go drag racing lower it(3 position lowering links for the rear and strap the front) and get a good clutch hand,raise it back up and go hit some corners when you get back from the track,that's what I do as I don't want a one dimensional bike,once you lower and stretch it the bike is just good for going straight line......boring. Just my 2cents.

I concur.  Unless you are using it exclusively for sanctioned drag racing AND you race in a class with no break-out rules AND it's allowed for your particular class AND your class rules do not allow wheelie bars AND you need to do it for competetive advantage, don't ruin the bike by stretching it.  Learn how to ride, instead.  And if you are going to drag race it, the FIRST thing you should do is get a clutch mod so that you can launch the bike correctly.  The stock back-torque limiter will lock the clutch up, causing the bike to bog and wheelie on launch.  If you're still having trouble, you can get a set of adjustable dog-bones and a strap, so that you can lower it only when you're at the strip, without ruining the bike for the other 99.9% of your riding.

[wildphil69]

lowering the bike greatly affects handling also. if you extend it you will not need a new brake line unless you go over 8" you can just loosen the front banjo fitting and spin it around so the loop is out of it. that is if your looking to go cheap

[jgennaro]

My 2011 Busa picks up the front tire in first gear out around 7k rpms, it makes me let out when the wheel is in the air and then shift to second. Since I am fairly new to these bikes, can anyone tell me how high these bikes generally bring the front tire in the air in first gear if I dont let off until redline? Dont want to skin my bike or my butt...LOL Also what is the easiest solution to keeping the front tire down other than parking it?  LOL... MY HAT IS OFF TO YOU GUYS THAT CAN RIDE WHEELIES SO WELL. I'm just not comfortable with it yet. Thanks friends...

You're best bet is to learn throttle control.  Once you get the experience with your bike you'll know how to ride it without wheelies.

All of the advice with straps, swingarm extensions, frame rakes, etcetera is great if you run the bike at the dragstrip but is stupid for street riding.  Learn throttle control and you won't have to worry about crashing from wheelies.

I've got a stock height and wheelbase Busa with a turbo and I don't have trouble with wheelies so I would assume with throttle control you shouldn't have any trouble.

Good luck man.

Jason

[Kirk]

My 2011 Busa picks up the front tire in first gear out around 7k rpms, it makes me let out when the wheel is in the air and then shift to second. Since I am fairly new to these bikes, can anyone tell me how high these bikes generally bring the front tire in the air in first gear if I dont let off until redline? Dont want to skin my bike or my butt...LOL Also what is the easiest solution to keeping the front tire down other than parking it?  LOL... MY HAT IS OFF TO YOU GUYS THAT CAN RIDE WHEELIES SO WELL. I'm just not comfortable with it yet. Thanks friends...

Wheelies are actually pretty easy to learn.  Have a look at this first:

http://www.suzukihayabusa.org/forum/index.php?topic=156579.0