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Offline 03svt-08busa

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Best way to launch SWB GenII
« on: August 16, 2011, 01:20:04 AM »
Ive been going to the drag strip a lot this season.  I have probably close to 60 passes on my bike. I know I need more seat time, but I really feel that I have hit a wall with my technique. The bike is an 08 Busa, Brocks Alien Head, no air filter (at the track), strapped, lowered, and 1 down in the front. Bike made 196hp. My (240lb) personal best is a 9.8x@143 (with stock gearing). My buddy (120lb) that is pretty good at racing went 9.17@151 (stock gearing) on the same day. Since I changed the front gearing, I haven't been able to get below a 9.95@143. My 60ft's suck. They are 1.75ish.  My current method to launch is to rev the engine to 3400 rpm, leave the line, slip the clutch a little bit, and get out of the clutch and to wide open throttle as soon as possible. This normally creates a bit of a bog.  Normally around 9k the bike starts to wheelie, I shift when/if that happens.  Is it better to have a bit of a bog as long as the clutch is fully engaged and im at wide open throttle, or do i want to keep engine rpm's up while slipping the clutch? 

I guess launching can really be broken down into a few critical components
--rpm to launch
--how long to slip the clutch (either a time or distance will suffice)
--where to keep the rpm's while slipping the clutch
--when to go full throttle (time or distance)

I realistically think i should be able to cut some 1.5's with enough practice....right?

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Re: Best way to launch SWB GenII
« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2011, 01:22:12 AM »
thanks in advance for the help.

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Re: Best way to launch SWB GenII
« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2011, 07:12:04 AM »
For the purpose of time I'll over simplify, Keep the RPM's up! When you bog the engine, the bike gets on the bottom of the torque curve and the world starts to rotate @ the back wheel..lol

Suspension adjustment is also very important, especially for short wheelbase bikes. Compression should be set so the bike sits down smooth as you roll into throttle as the clutch comes out w/ the rebound set firm to hold it there.

I'm 200 lbs. I launch the stock wheelbase bikes @ 4k keeping the R's up while slipping the clutch out simultaneously! WOT w/clutch fully engaged should be around 40 ft. out. Your best 60' numbers should be in the low 1.50s while your consistent numbers will be high 1.50s-low 1.60s.
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Re: Best way to launch SWB GenII
« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2011, 11:37:18 AM »
pretty much what he just said.
Might want to put the stock gear back in it also.

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Re: Best way to launch SWB GenII
« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2011, 09:06:33 PM »
hold the throttle wide open and throw the clutch away
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Re: Best way to launch SWB GenII
« Reply #5 on: August 17, 2011, 07:46:58 AM »
keep it above 5000 minimum and it wont bog,for your weight
your going to peak around 146-148mph trap speed,so gear to the top
of 4th,so 18/45-47.itll 60 alot easier,your clutch
will live and u can get out of the clutch sooner and focus
on your throttle hand.a gen2 is already heavy in the tail
so at 240lbs youd have to be pretty shit hot
to crack a 1.5 60ft.id target mid to low 1.6,s and
focus on smoothness to get the 330,s down.
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Re: Best way to launch SWB GenII
« Reply #6 on: August 18, 2011, 01:05:23 AM »
thanks for the help guys. Im going to the track tonight. I'll post results.

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Re: Best way to launch SWB GenII
« Reply #7 on: August 19, 2011, 08:16:11 PM »
hold the throttle wide open and throw the clutch away


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Re: Best way to launch SWB GenII
« Reply #8 on: August 27, 2011, 09:00:07 PM »
I launch my SWB 08 at 5000rpm, WOT by the tree with the clutch fully engaged.

My spray hits at 7000rpm.

9.17@156 on a 20 shot.

9.35@151 N/A.

Get the revs up at the line. I used to launch at 3500rpm. Once I went to 5000rpm everything got better. Better 60' leasing to better ET.

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Re: Best way to launch SWB GenII
« Reply #9 on: August 27, 2011, 09:10:08 PM »
Forgot to add, I am usually 1.60 60'.

been in the 1.5 range a few times.

Next trip out I need to get my rear suspension working better. It is too stiff now, no squat on the launch, causing me to back out of wheelies, causing slow ET.

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Re: Best way to launch SWB GenII
« Reply #10 on: August 27, 2011, 11:48:39 PM »
with you on it make sure the swingarm pivot
sits 25mm higher than the rear axle.i set mine up with
around 40-50mm total sag on the rear from free hanging
to you on the bike.ive found more success with the rear suspension
fairly loose so it follows the road.just be smooth with the clutch
and throttle and a looser rear suspension is more
forgiving.
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Re: Best way to launch SWB GenII
« Reply #11 on: August 30, 2011, 12:02:11 AM »
Forgot to add, I am usually 1.60 60'.

been in the 1.5 range a few times.

Next trip out I need to get my rear suspension working better. It is too stiff now, no squat on the launch, causing me to back out of wheelies, causing slow ET.

How much do you weigh and what is your gearing?
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Re: Best way to launch SWB GenII
« Reply #12 on: August 30, 2011, 08:14:07 AM »
man lots of great info.

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Re: Best way to launch SWB GenII
« Reply #13 on: August 30, 2011, 10:07:00 AM »
thanks for the help guys. Im going to the track tonight. I'll post results.

How did you do at the track?

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Re: Best way to launch SWB GenII
« Reply #14 on: September 13, 2011, 10:13:49 PM »
Forgot to add, I am usually 1.60 60'.

been in the 1.5 range a few times.

Next trip out I need to get my rear suspension working better. It is too stiff now, no squat on the launch, causing me to back out of wheelies, causing slow ET.

How much do you weigh and what is your gearing?

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Re: Best way to launch SWB GenII
« Reply #15 on: December 15, 2011, 12:07:02 AM »
 Uh, did I miss something?

I didn't hear him say anything about having a 1-piece hub.

I think he's trying to do this with the stock back-torque limiter.

No wonder he's bogging and wheelieing.

More revs is just gonna make it worse- he's gonna end up having that thing use him for a tent peg if the clutch decides to lock up as he's trying to slip it on launch.

Doh!  :shock:
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Re: Best way to launch SWB GenII
« Reply #16 on: December 16, 2011, 04:02:25 AM »
lol,stock hub,helmet cam and launch at 6k. :hys:
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Re: Best way to launch SWB GenII
« Reply #17 on: December 16, 2011, 01:06:19 PM »
lol,stock hub,helmet cam and launch at 6k. :hys:

Uh, yeah, that's what I was thinking.  Ground, sky, ground, 550 pound motorcycle, darkness...  :lol:

Dude needs to get a 1-piece clutch hub before he gets hurt.
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Re: Best way to launch SWB GenII
« Reply #18 on: December 16, 2011, 01:08:16 PM »
You know, I'm noticing that he hasn't been active since September 6th.  I'm hoping you guys didn't kill him.  :shock:
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Re: Best way to launch SWB GenII
« Reply #19 on: December 16, 2011, 03:36:57 PM »
Seen a few figure out how to launch with stock clutch. I couldn't do it but it can be done.

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Re: Best way to launch SWB GenII
« Reply #20 on: December 16, 2011, 03:51:44 PM »
It can be done, but you gotta get the clutch out right quick, so that it can't kill you.  Certainly not throwing it, but getting rid of it really quick.  So you're sorta doing it backwards- instead of locking the throttle on the green and giving it some clutch all the way out, you're getting the clutch out right off the line, and using the throttle to get it going.  Which means that you gotta launch from a pretty low rpm.

I used to do it with a stock clutch at about 2500 rpm, all out within about five feet, while simultaneously screwing the throttle fully open.  If I got it right, the engine didn't bog and cause a wheelie.  I was getting high 1.5X 60' times at a ride height probably 5" higher than the OP's, and with 5/8" less wheelbase than stock.  Of course, my bike weighed 475 pounds and had Marvic magnesium racing wheels, but I weigh 200 pounds geared up. 

But I gotta tell you, it was harder to get it right than any bike I've ever ridden.  Much harder than launching my 55" long stock+ height R1 from 8000 rpms (low 1.6X short times, probably with the rear tire).  Neither bike was strapped. 

If you're going to be drag racing, you should probably have a 1-piece clutch hub, for safety and consistency.
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Re: Best way to launch SWB GenII
« Reply #21 on: December 26, 2011, 01:29:32 AM »
LOL!! I'm not dead. Just been busy with other ventures for a while. 1.65 was pretty much the best i could cut it down to, but i was doing it consistently.  Pretty much the consensus seems to be is to get rid of the stock slipper clutch...right?

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Re: Best way to launch SWB GenII
« Reply #22 on: December 26, 2011, 01:31:36 AM »
I also picked up a 3in over arm to help.

















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Re: Best way to launch SWB GenII
« Reply #23 on: December 26, 2011, 11:02:29 AM »
 I've never had a problem with the stock hub.  Now its been a while but  I ran consistant 1.50 with it when it was a fairly stock motor bike

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Re: Best way to launch SWB GenII
« Reply #24 on: April 03, 2012, 07:22:27 PM »
Seen a few figure out how to launch with stock clutch. I couldn't do it but it can be done.

I used to leave (with stock motor and clutch) at 2200 and wack the throttle as I released the clutch quick. Used to keep the bike in the 1.6 60 fts. It took a lot of practice and after I welded the clutch hub the bike was easier to ride.

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Re: Best way to launch SWB GenII
« Reply #25 on: April 06, 2012, 05:25:47 PM »
I never could master a GENI 2 piece, but for some reason my 09 2 piece clutch hub was so smooth it didn't seem right.
I put a billet Brock piece in and it did worse....... :eek:
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Re: Best way to launch SWB GenII
« Reply #26 on: April 06, 2012, 05:31:14 PM »
after repeated launches the cast finishes on the ramps
of the btl eventually polish up and then the lockup
kicks in earlier and earlier.i tried different ramp angles
on the btl to see if i could improve it,but i think
surface finish is the biggest variable.its pretty tough
to slip a clutch consistently when your hand has one
idea and the btl has other ideas.
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Re: Best way to launch SWB GenII
« Reply #27 on: April 21, 2012, 08:22:33 AM »
some good info,any video?
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