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Re: Fatalities in LSR
« Reply #275 on: April 23, 2018, 02:12:43 PM »
I would say, if mr Partridge was so experienced rider, there are not so many options what could have happened,
Even if you are not watching any signs, where the finish line is, you know when the mile is up, when you have good feel to it.
Medical condition ?
 

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Re: Fatalities in LSR
« Reply #276 on: April 24, 2018, 01:37:07 AM »
I think ONE thing they could do would be have the racer be able to communicate with their crew WHILE they are racing..... maybe if someone YELLED in their ear.... the "tunnel" would disappear.... some simple Bluetooth communications... that would tells us that it wasn't a medical event at least... or at least that they can talk.... just a thought...... no?

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« Reply #277 on: April 24, 2018, 08:57:37 AM »
class 1 bluetooth only has a 300 foot range, assuming no electronic interference.
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Re: Fatalities in LSR
« Reply #278 on: April 24, 2018, 01:51:59 PM »
I hear ya.... but don't u agree THAT would be a great way to eliminate the medical condition/ possible blacking out issue...,. being able to communicate with the racer while riding it....... we gotta have a way to do this... nascar does

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Re: Fatalities in LSR
« Reply #279 on: April 24, 2018, 05:47:32 PM »
Clearly defined (In Ya Face!!!) "Finish Area",,

The situation of a rider looking down at the track, following the white line, "at speed," is absolutely "STUPID",, there is no extra speed to be gained from this pratice,, "Riders "Vision" must be forward for the entireity of the pass",,

Question? :- Have there been cars that have gone out the back door ??
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Re: Fatalities in LSR
« Reply #280 on: April 24, 2018, 06:15:37 PM »
no... but driving a car inside a cabin is a little different... motorcycle riding is a visceral experience.. kinda like sex.... with oneself.. it has a clearly defined ending.. but with a 22 year old stunner... its entirely something else.... and furthermore... it could verty well be that these riders are blacking out... we dunno... but what I am saying is that IF THEY COULD HEAR SOMEONE YELLING AT THEM IN THEIR EAR AND RESPOND... then we KNOW its not a medical event.... and furthermore.. it wsuld snap them outta that tunnel vision... this would rule out a medical event if nothing else

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Re: Fatalities in LSR
« Reply #281 on: April 24, 2018, 06:26:37 PM »
With the effects available these days it would not be difficult to have a virtual checked flag to ride through or a virtual brick wall , whichever gets your attention more
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Re: Fatalities in LSR
« Reply #282 on: April 24, 2018, 07:16:20 PM »
I like your analogy Ali123, circumstances would depend on who was yelling at ya, the 22yo stunner, or her irate boyfriend LOL,,,

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Re: Fatalities in LSR
« Reply #283 on: April 24, 2018, 09:38:49 PM »
all this talk about the 22 yr old stunner and "running out the back door"    I gotta go.

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Re: Fatalities in LSR
« Reply #284 on: April 25, 2018, 04:15:49 PM »
"Your tunnel vision narrows until it's like a sniper rifle," Eisenberg tells me by phone, recounting the events of his harrowing crash at Elvington Airfield in Yorkshire, in the northern part of England. "Because of that, I didn't see the finish flags to the right. And I was doing 400 feet a second."

By the time Eisenberg realized his mistake, he'd already lost 1000 feet of stopping distance. "All I remember was the grass at the end of the runway coming up, and me going, 'oh shit,' and thinking, what can I do? Do I slam the brakes on, and slide along the concrete at 400 feet a second, ripping all my skin, bones, everything off? Or do I hit the end of the runway and basically pray to the powers that be?


https://www.roadandtrack.com/motorsports/a12253269/man-pronounced-dead-after-234-mph-motorcycle-crash-pursues-new-land-speed-record/


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Re: Fatalities in LSR
« Reply #285 on: April 26, 2018, 10:49:57 AM »
I been down the Elvington track few times and dont remember having hard time to see the finish line, its so personal experience.

We had on our local track, a fire truck with flashing lights on , sitting little further to the right from track , and we cant see it coming near to the finish line, but if you have , not so big, colourful flags on the track, they cant be missed.

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Re: Fatalities in LSR
« Reply #286 on: April 26, 2018, 11:00:01 AM »
See here, this is what they use in Sweden, at 57s on both sides of track there are tall flags, cannot be missed,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcR_Q7AF1Eg

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Re: Fatalities in LSR
« Reply #287 on: April 27, 2018, 12:30:30 PM »
Could folks talk about what they do in shutdown?  I understand the possibility of not seeing flags, placards, lights, etc. and feel that is an area that can always be improved.  But I've heard people talk about shutting off and sitting up right away.  I don't have near the experience of most of the posters in this thread but I do know that wind force at high speeds is very significant.  Shane posted a video last year showing his leg coming off the peg at high speed.  I can imagine someone trying to hang on and being unable to close the throttle.  I can see losing your grip on one bar and accidentally countersteering off course.

Curious about what others do....

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Re: Fatalities in LSR
« Reply #288 on: April 27, 2018, 03:02:51 PM »
After i had two cracked front discs i started to sit up pretty early and then hit the brakes, using also rear brake,
you just get a good grip on the bars and hold on,

When i started to prepare a turbobike for the mile, i thought i could lend it to couple good friends and share the experience,
but when i ended up with a 250+mph bike the plan changed, i cant give it to someone who did not go the same route, grow into riding this particular bike,
When start the braking on the finish line, if something goes wrong you know who tightened the bolts, filled the brake fluid reservoir and checked tyre pressures, its your own fault if the bike fails.


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Re: Fatalities in LSR
« Reply #289 on: April 29, 2018, 01:21:24 PM »
And yes, we will soon
update the list of "incidents" to include:

Brenda Sue Carver's frightening episode at Loring,
Guy Caputo's "can't believe he lived" moment at Wilmington,
and mostly we are waiting on the NAME of the man
on the Harley helicoptered out of the Texas mile in Victoria.

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Re: Fatalities in LSR
« Reply #290 on: April 29, 2018, 07:37:07 PM »
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Re: Fatalities in LSR
« Reply #291 on: April 30, 2018, 05:23:25 AM »
This is from that article,

" if you’re going at a high rate of speed, blow a motor and something locks up and you go into a skid "

I heard that many times, but has it happened to anybody ?

I`ve blown a motor, transmission and chains, but never locked up anything, rear tyre or , (what)

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Re: Fatalities in LSR
« Reply #292 on: April 30, 2018, 07:17:23 AM »
I've had a rear tire lock up on a street bike at about 50 mph (GT550 - broken con rod jammed into the cases); thank goodness for Suzuki clutches.

Does anyone know what kind of bike that is in the photos in that article?  All I can see is big rear tire and skinny front tire and what looks like two pipes.  Is it the H-D?
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« Reply #293 on: April 30, 2018, 04:06:13 PM »
Thank you Ransom !

I reached out to the Writer who
crafted the newspaper article
about the crash, and included
the still photographs.

She said that the Texas Mile
will not release the name.....

Tough duty when they won't
give names to the paper !

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Re: Fatalities in LSR
« Reply #294 on: April 30, 2018, 04:09:25 PM »


I`ve blown a motor, transmission and chains,
 but never locked up anything, rear tyre or , (what)


If you lock up a rear wheel, or transmission,
the clutch is of no use, the tyre just skids.

If you are skidding at 200 mph,
 it might be that the tire will wear through,
and the air inside the tire mixes with the outside air,
and the handling degrades.....................

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Re: Fatalities in LSR
« Reply #295 on: May 01, 2018, 06:07:03 PM »
       FATAL and POTENTIALLY FATAL
  INCIDENTS in PAVEMENT LSR EVENTS.

                        2008-04/2018

SIT-ON TYPE MOTORCYCLES


1)   Karl Gunter – - - - - shutdown – Texas Mile - survived
2)   Billy Shoemaker – shutdown – Texas Mile - survived
3)   Bill Warner – - - - -  shutdown – Texas Mile - survived
4)   Jerry Wayne Lyons - track ------- Texas Mile -  DIED
5)   Philip Stewart…shutdown -  Texas Mile- survived
6)   Kevin Schutt.........track.....Texas mile...survived

7)  Bill Warner –-   shutdown – ECTA Maxton  - survived
8)  Bill Warner – -  shutdown – ECTA Maxton  - survived
9)    Guy Lombardi     -shutdown – ECTA – Maxton - DIED
10)    Dave Owen –  --  -shutdown – ECTA – Maxton – DIED
11)    T J Cannon----- -  track - ECTA – Maxton – survived
12) Debbie Dross – shutdown - ECTA – Maxton - survived
13)    Gerald Deneau –shutdown - ECTA – Wilmington - DIED
14)  Donna Timney- shutdown – ECTA – Wilmington – survived
15) Guy Caputo - track..............ECTA – Wilmington – survived

16)  John Noonan –    track – Mojave mile – survived
17)  Tim Partridge - …shutdown – Mojave Mile – DIED

18)  Bill Warner  - - -track and trackside – Loring - DIED



Short summary:

eighteen (18)  incidents
fifteen (15) individuals involved

twelve (12) involved shutdown areas
Ten (10) year time span
Six (6) deaths

Contrast:

Several incidents at Bonneville
and El Mirage – zero (0) deaths


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Re: Fatalities in LSR
« Reply #296 on: May 01, 2018, 07:18:36 PM »
Adding Brenda Sue's accident changes the numbers slightly but the conclusion doesn't change.

Has anybody ever compiled a list of tracks and their respective shutdown areas?
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« Reply #297 on: May 02, 2018, 02:44:37 AM »
Scott, while no deaths thankfully there are enough accidents on the salt and dirt that i think its just luck nobody has landed in a ,manner to cause a major life threatening injury

And in the mile events, a lot more than 18 incidents  , depending where you draw the line on severity (again pretty much luck of the draw like the comment above), Dean, for example ,or a few at Colorado that needed hospital  after shut down incidents (myself included :(  ) 
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« Reply #298 on: May 02, 2018, 11:14:05 AM »
There have been several cars off the end at Mojave, and more than a few at Colorado.
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Re: Fatalities in LSR
« Reply #299 on: May 02, 2018, 07:21:31 PM »
There have been several cars off the end at Mojave, and more than a few at Colorado.

I would suggest compiling the reasons/excuses "All" particeptents give for running out the back door,, this will give the opptunity to help target on weather it was brain fade, brake fade or whatever ???
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