STANDING 1.0 MILE BEST N/A SPEEDS

[scott g]

STANDING 1.0 MILE BEST N/A SPEEDS

To Recognize Those Individual Motorcycle Racers
that have excelled in the 1.0  standing start mile
with ONLY GASOLINE for fuel - All Motor,
while riding a sit-on motorcycle.

No Power Adders, like blowers,
turbos, nitrous, nitro, E85. 

Just motor and Skill !


1.  Dean Sabatinelli........230.770.
2.  Colt  Bateman...........230.446.
3.  Jennifer Robertson...229.963. 
4.  Ryan Ostergard........228.9.
5.  Zach Millholland........227.34 
6.  Mark DeLuca............227.2.
7.  Mika Syren...............225.9..
8.  Karl Gunter..............224.6.
9.  Steve Knecum..........223.x..
10.  Lloyd Davies...........222.8.2
11. Sal Spatafora...........222.476.
12.  Rick Stetson............222.123..
13.  Scott Davis..............222.046
14.  Chad Millholland.......221.827
15.  Dave Owen..............220.312..

The speeds listed here are an officially measured,
listed by the sanctioning body ( ECTA, Loring, etc),
and are NOT necessarily a record.

bottom cut-off over 220 mph.

YHS, Scott

[speedduck]

So, what are these n/a motors burning ?

[osti33]

So, what are these n/a motors burning ?

I can't speak for everyone on the list but all these guys are/were burning gasoline.

1.  Dean Sabatinelli........230.7700......Wilmington 2013
2.  Colt  Bateman...........230.446.......Loring 2012   
3.  Jennifer Robertson...229.963........Loring 2013   
4.  Ryan Ostergard........228.9...........Beeville 2013   
5.  Zach Millholland........227.34.........Wilmington 2012   
6.  Mark DeLuca............227.2.........Maxton 2009
8.  Karl Gunter..............224.6...........Beeville 2012
9.  Steve Knecum..........223.x..........Maxton 2008 ?
13.  Chad Millholland......221.827.....Maxton 2008
14.  Dave Owen.............220.312......Maxton, 2006


I'm not sure about yourself, Lloyd, Sal, or Rick.

[Frank06]

Scott,

FYI - Loring started in 2009. 

Are you making the trip north this year?  It's been awhile hasn't it?

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[scott g]

Scott,

FYI - Loring started in 2009. 

Are you making the trip north this year? 
It's been awhile hasn't it?

Wilmington and Loring (2009) may
be both in my plans for this year......

Loring is SO nice !

Scott

[speedduck]

So, what are these n/a motors burning ?

I can't speak for everyone on the list but all these guys are/were burning gasoline.

1.  Dean Sabatinelli........230.7700......Wilmington 2013
2.  Colt  Bateman...........230.446.......Loring 2012   
3.  Jennifer Robertson...229.963........Loring 2013   
4.  Ryan Ostergard........228.9...........Beeville 2013   
5.  Zach Millholland........227.34.........Wilmington 2012   
6.  Mark DeLuca............227.2.........Maxton 2009
8.  Karl Gunter..............224.6...........Beeville 2012
9.  Steve Knecum..........223.x..........Maxton 2008 ?
13.  Chad Millholland......221.827.....Maxton 2008
14.  Dave Owen.............220.312......Maxton, 2006


I'm not sure about yourself, Lloyd, Sal, or Rick.

Well, i`m using E85, but can`t understand why it`s rated as a power adder. I don`t think these other guys are using pump gas ?

[scott g]

Well, i`m using E85, but can`t understand
why it`s rated as a power adder. I don`t
think these other guys are using pump gas ?

It is rated as a "power adder" because:

1) It is not 100% gasoline,which is generally required to meet "the rule."

2) With E85, one can increase the compression substantially,
and get more power - kind of like a "power adder."

Why are you using E85 ?

[osti33]

So, what are these n/a motors burning ?

I can't speak for everyone on the list but all these guys are/were burning gasoline.

1.  Dean Sabatinelli........230.7700......Wilmington 2013
2.  Colt  Bateman...........230.446.......Loring 2012   
3.  Jennifer Robertson...229.963........Loring 2013   
4.  Ryan Ostergard........228.9...........Beeville 2013   
5.  Zach Millholland........227.34.........Wilmington 2012   
6.  Mark DeLuca............227.2.........Maxton 2009
8.  Karl Gunter..............224.6...........Beeville 2012
9.  Steve Knecum..........223.x..........Maxton 2008 ?
13.  Chad Millholland......221.827.....Maxton 2008
14.  Dave Owen.............220.312......Maxton, 2006


I'm not sure about yourself, Lloyd, Sal, or Rick.

Well, i`m using E85, but can`t understand why it`s rated as a power adder. I don`t think these other guys are using pump gas ?

I don't know that E85 is considered a "power adder" per say. It just isn't gasoline. It's alcohol. Since it's not gasoline it moves you from gas class to fuel class(at least with all the sanctioning bodies here in the states anyway). You are still naturally aspirated. You're just running alcohol instead of gas.

You are also correct that nobody on this list is running pump gas(myself included).

[osti33]

Looks like Scott and I posted at the same time.

[speedduck]

Well, i`m using E85, but can`t understand
why it`s rated as a power adder. I don`t
think these other guys are using pump gas ?

It is rated as a "power adder" because:

1) It is not 100% gasoline,which is generally required to meet "the rule."

2) With E85, one can increase the compression substantially,
and get more power - kind of like a "power adder."

Why are you using E85 ?

Well, i`m not meeting the rules then.
There are limits raising the compression with E85, and you can go past that limit with several VP race gasolines. The comp i`m using is 3 steps lower than what Karl had in his Carpenter kit. There`s a power adder there, i mean the Carpenter kit 
And why i`m using it (?) I was using VP race gas before and noticed it came quite expensive when i`m riding on the street also, E85 costs sixth what VP does, and i can get it from pump here. Now my bike is modified from street to race by bolting off the mirrors, turn signals, license plate and changing gearing.

I think Lloyd might be using pump gas.

[KZScott]

this past fall at Loring Henry and i were running in the fuel class for simplicity (we were gas class legal), but went over 220 with VP MRX-02. (Karls old 12)

[scott g]

Well, i`m using E85, but can`t understand
why it`s rated as a power adder. I don`t
think these other guys are using pump gas ?

It is rated as a "power adder" because:

1) It is not 100% gasoline,which is generally required to meet "the rule."

2) With E85, one can increase the compression substantially,
and get more power - kind of like a "power adder."

Why are you using E85 ?

Well, i`m not meeting the rules then.
There are limits raising the compression with E85, and you can go past that limit with several VP race gasolines. The comp i`m using is 3 steps lower than what Karl had in his Carpenter kit. There`s a power adder there, i mean the Carpenter kit 
And why i`m using it (?) I was using VP race gas before and noticed it came quite expensive when i`m riding on the street also, E85 costs sixth what VP does, and i can get it from pump here. Now my bike is modified from street to race by bolting off the mirrors, turn signals, license plate and changing gearing.

I think Lloyd might be using pump gas.

I fully understand.

It is not necessarily that you have "more power,"
it's that you are using "not gasoline.

Cheers, Scott

[FlaminRoo]

STANDING 1.0 MILE BEST N/A SPEEDS

To Recognize Those Individual Motorcycle Racers
that have excelled in the 1.0  standing start mile
with ONLY GASOLINE for fuel - All Motor,
while riding a sit-on motorcycle.

No Power Adders, like blowers,
turbos, nitrous, nitro, E85. 

Just motor and Skill !


1.  Dean Sabatinelli........230.7700......Wilmington 2013
2.  Colt  Bateman...........230.446.......Loring 2012   
3.  Jennifer Robertson...229.963........Loring 2013   
4.  Ryan Ostergard........228.9...........Beeville 2013   
5.  Zach Millholland........227.34.........Wilmington 2012   
6.  Mark DeLuca............227.2.........Maxton 2009
7.  Mika Syren...............225.9..........Elvington, Eng 2013
8.  Karl Gunter..............224.6...........Beeville 2012
9.  Steve Knecum..........223.x..........Maxton 2008 ?
10.  Lloyd Davies...........222.8.........Elvington, Eng 2012
11. Sal Spatafora...........222.476.....Maxton 2010
12.  Rick Stetson............222.123.....Maxton 2006
13.  Chad Millholland......221.827.....Maxton 2008
14.  Dave Owen.............220.312......Maxton, 2006

The speeds listed here are an officially measured,
listed by the sanctioning body ( ECTA, Loring, etc),
and are NOT necessarily a record.

From time to time, I will try to update this list.

By all means contact me if you find someone
belonging on this list.  Try to include a way to
find the verification of the speed.

Loring, ECTA list many old speeds and records,
so for the time being. why don't we make the
bottom cut-off over 220 mph.

Much of the ECTA history in "buried" on
their website www.ecta-lsr.com

Loring has been racing from about 2007, and has
a new website at www.loringrtiming.com. 
The website is still a work-in-progress,
and older information, as well as the
2013 speeds and records are either hard to find,
or not yet posted.


YHS, Scott

Thankyou Sir,, ,,

[knecum]

So, what are these n/a motors burning ?

.  All of our teams records in NA were set with c44 fuel. It's non oxygenated. Larry never believed in using a fuel that has an advantage when running in a gas class.. 

[scott g]

STANDING 1.0 MILE BEST N/A SPEEDS



YHS, Scott

Thankyou Sir,, ,,

The credit goes to Ryan and to Karl,
who did the original research and
listing.

I just looked in the usual places
for a few more good folks.........

Scott

[scott g]

Added today !

13.  Scott Davis..............222.046.....Loring 2013

[scott g]

An interesting sidelight on the gasoline question:

Up until the (maybe) late 1970's at Bonneville for
the motorcycle racers, gasoline meant PUMP GAS !

C12 or C44 it wasn't !

[dnhabusa]

I'm not sure about yourself, Lloyd, Sal, or Rick.

Rick was riding Dave Owen's bike.

[Team Millholland]

 DaveO made the 220.312 pass.........Rick upped it later in the day.
 A couple years later DaveO asked my youngest Chad to make a few passes on his bike. It was the June meet and hot, Chad ran the 221.8 pass.
 Over the next couple months DaveO freshened the engine up with anticipation of Chad running some bigger numbers in the September's cooler air and stouter engine. At that meet DaveO wanted to do a shakedown pass before turning Chad loose on it.....what a sad day.
 Still missing you Dave, what a talented & great guy.
Dan
http://www.brocksperformance.com/brocknm/templates/bpp1.aspx?articleid=108&zoneid=22

[zrxdean]

DaveO made the 220.312 pass.........Rick upped it later in the day.
 A couple years later DaveO asked my youngest Chad to make a few passes on his bike. It was the June meet and hot, Chad ran the 221.8 pass.
 Over the next couple months DaveO freshened the engine up with anticipation of Chad running some bigger numbers in the September's cooler air and stouter engine. At that meet DaveO wanted to do a shakedown pass before turning Chad loose on it.....what a sad day.
 Still missing you Dave, what a talented & great guy.
Dan
http://www.brocksperformance.com/brocknm/templates/bpp1.aspx?articleid=108&zoneid=22

Thanks for the background Dan, great history.

Hard to believe it's been over 4 years since he died. Thanks for the link, RIP DaveO.

Dean

[gsx-rboy750]

Well, i`m using E85, but can`t understand
why it`s rated as a power adder. I don`t
think these other guys are using pump gas ?

It is rated as a "power adder" because:

1) It is not 100% gasoline,which is generally required to meet "the rule."

2) With E85, one can increase the compression substantially,
and get more power - kind of like a "power adder."

Why are you using E85 ?

Retracted

[FlaminRoo]

it would be interesting to know the indivual engine size of those 14 bikes listed, where thay sit in relation to established LSR(salt) classes,, ,, as an outsider looking in here, their just names with a speed, no way of making comparasions,

[knecum]

1634 in a 1650 class

[Team Millholland]

DaveO's was a 1507.
Dan

[speedduck]

Mine (7.) is 1622cc, rev limit 11000rpm, exhaust Ti-force 

[osti33]

it would be interesting to know the indivual engine size of those 14 bikes listed, where thay sit in relation to established LSR(salt) classes,, ,, as an outsider looking in here, their just names with a speed, no way of making comparasions,

As far as classes at Bonneville(salt) I think it would look like this.

All of the bikes on the list would be in 1650cc engine class.
With the exception of Dean all of the bikes would probably fit into MPS body class. Dean would be APS.

[knecum]

How fast Fred go on his 1340cc     235 at Bonneville and what in the mile?? Almost 220 right ?

[KZScott]

1427cc, and the tail on the bike was too long for mps so we ran aps, with a shorter tail it could be mps, were taking both tails next yr i believe

[fvance]

Brenda ran a 216+ in the mile. I never ran it, on pavement, except in production, 202+.

[speedduck]

except in production, 202+.

What does that mean ?

[fvance]

The only time I ran that motor on pavement 1mile was at Goliad and it ran a 202+. It was a legal production bike.

[dnhabusa]

except in production, 202+.

What does that mean ?

He's basically saying, in my opinion, that it was built to the production class rules. Very simplistically, production (SCTA, ECTA, LTA) has to look stock including the exhaust system. However, mods may be performed internally. If you want to know more you could read the rulebook of one of those organizations.

[fvance]

 

[scott g]

Since we seem to be adding "lists,"
anybody interested in taking
this one over ?

I might to like to do it, but I can't edit my posts
on this website, so I can't update" information.

Besides, I thought the site thought
we had "enough lists....."

[brendasue555]

I went 227.7 in the mile at Texas Mile
.

[fvance]

without radical bodywork

[knecum]

Can you imagine if you had radical bodywork?  That would be neat O!!!

[fvance]

Brenda Sue ran a 227.7 at Beeville last month. Stock tail, mild front, 1657cc, stock valve sizes and old style Carpenter Head.  She rode the s--- out of it.

[speedduck]

Good job, add her to the list, on 5th place. And my speed can be updated at the same time to 226.3

[fvance]

OOPs looks like we double posted about Brenda's 227.7. Oh well that kind of speed deserves it.

[80 Theory]

At the September ECTA meet at Wilmington I was able to bump a record up a little:  224.3270 MPH,  MPS/G-1650/4

[scott g]

I guess we can make this list "self serve,"
since there seems little interest in continuing,
and I can't edit posts to reconcile incoming information.

Duck: YOU want to take this over ?

[speedduck]

It would be ok, if i just knew more about doing this kind of stuff, and about riders and lsr events in US.

[speedduck]

1.    Brenda Sue Carver......234.0
2.    Dean Sabatinelli........230.770
3.    Colt  Bateman...........230.446
4.    Jennifer Robertson.....229.963 
5.    Ryan Ostergard.........228.9
6.    Fred Vance...............227.640
7.    Zach Millholland........227.34 
8.    Mark DeLuca.............227.2
9.    Mika Syren...............226.3
10.  Karl Gunter...............224.6
11.  Mike Brakel...............224.327
12.  Steve Knecum...........223
13.  Lloyd Davies.............222.8
14.  Sal Spatafora............222.476.
15.  Rick Stetson.............222.123
16.  Scott Davis...............222.046
17.  Chad Millholland........221.827
18.  Dave Owen...............220.312

Any other updates and/or changes ?

[scott g]

Fred Vance:

Do you have an individual
speed good for this list ?

I remember you as 235 mph N/A,
but was that at Bonneville ?

[brendasue555]

I love this list!!!

[speedduck]

I love this list!!!

 

I dont know if its up to date, is there somebody who should be on this list (?)