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Offline 96blowncobra

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Going turbo
« on: April 12, 2014, 08:53:02 PM »
Got my 2013 in Feb, now I'm looking to pull the trigger on a turbo but I'm quickly trying to get my ball park pricing together so I can do it all at once.  Anyone have an idea on what pistons, studs etc run installed? I'm trying to reduce my sticker/bank account shock for when I finally separate myself from my money. Thanks

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Re: Going turbo
« Reply #1 on: April 12, 2014, 08:54:08 PM »
Oops almost forgot. I'm going rcc stage 1! Maybe stage 2 if I can get all the motor funds sorted out if not I'll buy as I go.

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Re: Going turbo
« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2014, 10:13:15 AM »
Since you're ordering from Richard you'll might as well ask him what motor upgrades to get.

Also, think about getting the ultra plenum.
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Re: Going turbo
« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2014, 01:39:55 PM »
Yea the ultra plenum will be down the road.  I'm mainly looking for the supporting mods to be a 300hp reliable bike. I'm not looking for 600hp
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Re: Going turbo
« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2014, 04:30:54 PM »
If you can afford it, the ultra plenum is the best way to get 300 reliable HP with pump gas. That's the ultra plenum,  not the ultra kit that I'm talking about.
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Re: Going turbo
« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2014, 04:58:09 PM »
Pro mod studs are good to 500, after that get 1/2". The gen 2 tranny will handle a lot of hp. My stock tranny has 20 k worth of boost on it. Tool steel shift shafts, Wossner rods and pistons. Richard can give you a  omplete run down. If I did mine over I would have built it for 600 hp. If you think you will ever want more hp then build it all the way, its not that much more when its already torn down.
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RCC turbos rock!!! Rcc- Ultra plenum, case saver, Carillo rods, Wossner pistons, APE springs/tool steel shift shafts, Ferrara valves, ARP studs, lightened and balanced crank, Boostbysmith ecu editor, AMS 1000 with CO2, 475 hp. Mac arm 0-6 over, BST carbon fiber rims. Someday I'm goin' fast!

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Re: Going turbo
« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2014, 02:53:52 PM »
i just did the same build on my 2013

stage 1 really a 1.5 or 2 but...

wossner pistons and rods.  not sure if you are having the work done or doing it yourself but make sure to file the rings to like 19-20 thou its in the information packet with the pistons. 
Torque the rod bolts to 35 ft/lbs.  info packet says like 40 or something thats a little too much after talking to some experienced builders.  35 is what was recommended by Frank @ powerhouse
ARP head studs
slave support
Heavier clutch springs
higher volume oil pump gear
Tial 50mm BOV
Stainless steel valves
rod bearings - you will need these when you put new rods in.
Water injection kit.  Did the trunk mod to give me much more space and mounted the tank way in the back of the trunk.
Currently running 15psi

There is very little room under the tank for the fuel pump and is a bad spot to mount it anyways.  Mount the fuel pump way under on the swingarm in front of (closer to the nose of the bike) the shock.  Perfect spot to fit and the new RCC kits i believe have mounting brackets.  I bought my kit in jan before they made this conversion.  I fab'd up my own brackets and mounted it there.
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Re: Going turbo
« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2014, 05:33:58 PM »
Good info. How much did all of that run you? I'll be taking it to a builder, I know a good bit about motors but not enough to chance this kinda dough. If it takes me saving for 2 more months to have done once and once only then it'll be worth it.

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Re: Going turbo
« Reply #8 on: April 14, 2014, 07:32:40 PM »
Quote from: 96blowncobra on April 14, 2014, 05:33:58 PM
Good info. How much did all of that run you? I'll be taking it to a builder, I know a good bit about motors but not enough to chance this kinda dough. If it takes me saving for 2 more months to have done once and once only then it'll be worth it.

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Turn key including the turbo&engine mods and you paying a shop to do the install,engine work&tuning? Id say right around $10k
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Offline nappinj12

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Re: Going turbo
« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2014, 05:14:10 PM »
stretch gage should be used on rod bolts!
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Re: Going turbo
« Reply #10 on: June 11, 2014, 05:15:21 PM »
stock ti valves are fine under 450-500 h.p
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Re: Going turbo
« Reply #11 on: June 12, 2014, 07:44:33 PM »
wossner pistons and rods. oiling mods done by bill pippert. 1/2" studs. about out of fuel pump at 460 on e-85. all you need is pistons rods and studs to make 300. above that i would recommend oiling mods. no real need for solid shift shafts either
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Re: Going turbo
« Reply #12 on: June 12, 2014, 07:46:50 PM »
Ti valves an issue? The last thing I want to do is spend all of this money to have 600 bucks worth of shit I shouldve just done the first time
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Offline MICHAEL MATHEWS

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Re: Going turbo
« Reply #13 on: June 12, 2014, 09:29:38 PM »
Nothing wrong with Titanium valves,just put good springs on it.
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Offline wildphil69

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Re: Going turbo
« Reply #14 on: June 12, 2014, 11:48:41 PM »
changing to gen 1 valves will also lower comp 0.1
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Re: Going turbo
« Reply #15 on: June 14, 2014, 10:35:44 PM »
stock internals will dyno out to 356hp for at least 1 pass. the stock fuel system will support that HP on C16 with a 50/50 injector split.

Realistically you will want the following:

Wossner Pistons
Wossner Rods
APE Studs
Gen 1 valves or other stainless valves & matching springs/locks/retainers

For 300hp or less i would not do oiling mods. however you know good and damn well you'll get bored and want to push it harder and farther. build it once or build it over. twice. like i had to. DOH!

Wildphil (dan) is my primary builder/assembler. We prepped my 2011 with all wossner internals, 1/2" studs, cometic gasket. Cases prepped by bill pippert. all oiling mods done and oil cooler bypass installed.  sent the head to APE for Gen 1 valves & new springs/retainers/locks. it is unported and on stock cams. Turbo Kit by Buck @ NTR with Turbonetics journal bearing GT28 class turbo and billet non-intercooled plenum. Fuel system is a Bosch 044 with a 1:1 regulator, all -6an everything, billet rail from RCC with 62lb secondaries. Bike tuned by Schnitz on E85 makes 460whp @ 24psi. 264hp on 6psi 93oct.

This combo cost breaks down as follows:

Turbo kit was custom fabricated as a one-off kit and with the billet plenum (also a one-off piece) was a tad over 5k
pistons and rods were 1200
studs were a couple hundred
APE headword was ... I want to say 600 bucks
fuel system was about a grand
Tuning at schnitz was 6-700 (multiple tunes for E85 and pump 93)
Log Box setup was 349?
We recently added a AMS-2000 for 2180.xx but we first had ECU boost control. that was under 100 bucks.
We added a NLR Boost Comp Lockup as well after we smoked a stock clutch pack at 460hp with 6 Gen 1 SHD springs. We have since stepped back to stock springs and the clutch is on it's 2nd season. if you street ride at all the boost comp is the way to go. it was 800 bucks from RCC/NLR.

You'll have 10k wrapped up in it EASILY by the time you get all the little things you'll forget about if you decide to go big instead of going home.

Even if you try to get by with just a bolt-on stage 1 kit...you'll probably have 7k wrapped up in everything...might as well drop the extra 3g's at that point...
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Re: Going turbo
« Reply #16 on: July 24, 2014, 11:13:22 PM »
what oil mod do you all keep referring to?
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Offline wildphil69

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Re: Going turbo
« Reply #17 on: July 25, 2014, 02:03:46 PM »
Contact bill pippert. send him your cases he will do all the mods to the cases you need.
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Re: Going turbo
« Reply #18 on: July 27, 2014, 01:51:35 AM »
Quote from: wildphil69 on July 25, 2014, 02:03:46 PM
Contact bill pippert. send him your cases he will do all the mods to the cases you need.
Who is Bill pippert? And how do I get in touch with him?
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