Ohio Mile 200 MPH Club - now is the time

[scott g]

If you live in the upper central states;
now is the time to plan on "joining"
the Ohio 200 MPH Club.

Having started this May 2014,
Riders may now join WITHOUT
having to set a record;
just by going 200 MPH.

Just bring your Stage III RCC
kitted Busa, and struggle to
200.2 MPH, and you can be
a full Club Member.

Think how proud you will be !

[zrxdean]

If you live in the upper central states;
now is the time to plan on "joining"
the Ohio 200 MPH Club.

Having started this May 2014,

Riders may now join WITHOUT
having to set a record;
just by going 200 MPH.

Just bring your Stage III RCC
kitted Busa, and struggle to
200.2 MPH, and you can be
a full Club Member.

Think how proud you will be !

Wow. Are you OK Scott?

[scott g]

If you live in the upper central states;
now is the time to plan on "joining"
the Ohio 200 MPH Club.

Having started this May 2014,

Riders may now join WITHOUT
having to set a record;
just by going 200 MPH.

Just bring your Stage III RCC
kitted Busa, and struggle to
200.2 MPH, and you can be
a full Club Member.

Think how proud you will be !

Wow. Are you OK Scott?

I am quite fine, Dean.

Just expressing my continued
disappointment with the ECTA
at the Ohio track.

I received a request to "buy" an Ohio
200 MPH Club ring today,
and this was my response.

XXX:

Thanks for keeping in touch.  I
think of you every time we see a NICE
..................

The 200 Club ring has come to
my mind a couple of times.  The
ring looks good, with nice
production values, and an
attractive design.

My misgivings start with the establishment
of an Ohio mile 200 Club that is separate from
the ECTA 200 MPH Club.  I also see now that
it is not required to "set a record" over 200 MPH
to "join the Club."

77       Neil Burgan   
   202.156       9984       Bike       5/2014   

    
72   T/O   9984   Neil   Burgan   202.1563   2014-05-03 13:14:21   1   Budget Busa   Both

You will see that Mr. Burgan was running "time only,"
and so did NOT set a record.  Yet he is NOW
a member of the 200 Club.

This would seem to be a debasement of the initial
honor of having to set a record to join the club.  It
also means that anybody that
runs over 200 will also "join."

To me, that sort of "allowing anybody into the Club" so
cheapens the accomplishments of you, me, Rich Yancy,
Wayne Pollack, Jason McVicar, and our other
"club members" that I am not interested in
 spending serious money for the Ring, or any other
paraphernalia having to do with the "Ohio Club."

The old Maxton Club, I continue to hold in high regard,
and which commemorated your difficult accomplishments,
still stands out as a difficult job well done.

Your continuing friend,

Scott

[RansomT]

Scott,

When I went back and pulled the May run logs, it showed that run was MPS/BF 1350-4 not TO.   ???

[scott g]

Scott,

When I went back and pulled the May run logs,
it showed that run was MPS/BF 1350-4 not TO.   ???

Good question, RH !

When I pull up the RECORD LISTINGS, I find the man is position #72, showing TO.

72    T/O    9984    Neil    Burgan    202.1563    2014-05-03 13:14:21    1    Budget Busa    Both

With a run time of 13:14:21 on May 3.

According to your reference of the run log.

The same entry # 9984, on run # 75, was in class MPS/BF-1350/4

75    1    9984    MPS/BF-1350/4    202.1563       Neil Burgan       New Record: Prior 200.9826    05/03/2014 13:14:21

Which result is correct ?

One has to assume that the Record Listing is correct, since
that would be double checked before publication......

In any case, the Maxton record is:

1105    MPS/BG-1350/4    Scott Guthrie Racing    Shane Stubbs    Apr-10    256.200

so I feel that to get "the Hat," the rider should have beaten Shane's 256.200 MPH........

I'm just a conservative..........

Cheap Hats,
Cheap hats today.....

[osti33]

Good question, RH !

When I pull up the RECORD LISTINGS, I find the man is position #72, showing TO.

72    T/O    9984    Neil    Burgan    202.1563    2014-05-03 13:14:21    1    Budget Busa    Both

With a run time of 13:14:21 on May 3.

According to your reference of the run log.

The same entry # 9984, on run # 75, was in class MPS/BF-1350/4

75    1    9984    MPS/BF-1350/4    202.1563       Neil Burgan       New Record: Prior 200.9826    05/03/2014 13:14:21

Which result is correct ?

One has to assume that the Record Listing is correct, since
that would be double checked before publication......

In any case, the Maxton record is:

1105    MPS/BG-1350/4    Scott Guthrie Racing    Shane Stubbs    Apr-10    256.200

so I feel that to get "the Hat," the rider should have beaten Shane's 256.200 MPH........

I'm just a conservative..........

Cheap Hats,
Cheap hats today.....

Scott,
I have no idea which one of Neil's runs is correct. That's a question for the ECTA folks. None of which post here to my knowledge.

However, you are passing along some incorrect information here in your post.

It looks as though Neil was running in blown fuel. Not in blown gas which is the Maxton record you posted.
Let's give credit where credit is due. The correct Maxton record holder for the class that Neil was running would be....

5112   MPS/BF-1350-4    Warner/Forstall Racing     Bill Warner   May-10    272.374

Shane is one hell of a rider and a personal friend but not the correct Maxton record holder for Neil's class.
He is certainly the blown gas record holder which is the record you posted.

[scott g]

Good question, RH !

When I pull up the RECORD LISTINGS, I find the man is position #72, showing TO.

72    T/O    9984    Neil    Burgan    202.1563    2014-05-03 13:14:21    1    Budget Busa    Both

With a run time of 13:14:21 on May 3.

According to your reference of the run log.

The same entry # 9984, on run # 75, was in class MPS/BF-1350/4

75    1    9984    MPS/BF-1350/4    202.1563       Neil Burgan       New Record: Prior 200.9826    05/03/2014 13:14:21

Which result is correct ?

One has to assume that the Record Listing is correct, since
that would be double checked before publication......

In any case, the Maxton record is:

1105    MPS/BG-1350/4    Scott Guthrie Racing    Shane Stubbs    Apr-10    256.200

so I feel that to get "the Hat," the rider should have beaten Shane's 256.200 MPH........

I'm just a conservative..........

Cheap Hats,
Cheap hats today.....

Scott,
I have no idea which one of Neil's runs is correct. That's a question for the ECTA folks. None of which post here to my knowledge.

However, you are passing along some incorrect information here in your post.

It looks as though Neil was running in blown fuel. Not in blown gas which is the Maxton record you posted.
Let's give credit where credit is due. The correct Maxton record holder for the class that Neil was running would be....

5112   MPS/BF-1350-4    Warner/Forstall Racing     Bill Warner   May-10    272.374

Shane is one hell of a rider and a personal friend but not the correct Maxton record holder for Neil's class.
He is certainly the blown gas record holder which is the record you posted.

Yes, Ryan, you are quite right,
and that mistake is mine.

On the other hand, here's a little more information on the question:

At the beginning of the May 2014 meet, the record in the class in question was this:

MPS/BF-1350/4   Ostergard/Robertson   Jennifer   Robertson   213.6752   2014-07-12 14:47:35

I think this record is still Jennifer's and yours, Ryan.

The rider in question raced to this result:

9984   MPS/BF-1350/4   202.1563      Neil Burgan      New Record: Prior 200.9826   05/03/2014 13:14:21

You will note that the May result was more than 10 MPH slower than Jen's record, set two years ago.

 And yet, SOMEHOW, the "rider's" class was changed from
1)  MPS/BF-1350/4 to TO (Time only),and then
2) SOMEHOW, that gained the rider entry into the Ohio 200 MPH Club.

This is NOT the first time that the ECTA has "accidentally" inducted a rider / Driver
into the 200 MPH Club.  When I was on the ECTA board of directors, I witnessed
three (3) other times an un-qualified rider was inducted,
and I objected a LOT.

In two instances, the driver(s) returned and posted proper speeds.
The motorcycle rider made another run in the correct class,
and properly earned the "hat."   

Easy as it is to join the Ohio 200 MPH Club,
the rules should still be followed.........

[zrxdean]

Good question, RH !

When I pull up the RECORD LISTINGS, I find the man is position #72, showing TO.

72    T/O    9984    Neil    Burgan    202.1563    2014-05-03 13:14:21    1    Budget Busa    Both

With a run time of 13:14:21 on May 3.

According to your reference of the run log.

The same entry # 9984, on run # 75, was in class MPS/BF-1350/4

75    1    9984    MPS/BF-1350/4    202.1563       Neil Burgan       New Record: Prior 200.9826    05/03/2014 13:14:21

Which result is correct ?

One has to assume that the Record Listing is correct, since
that would be double checked before publication......

In any case, the Maxton record is:

1105    MPS/BG-1350/4    Scott Guthrie Racing    Shane Stubbs    Apr-10    256.200

so I feel that to get "the Hat," the rider should have beaten Shane's 256.200 MPH........

I'm just a conservative..........

Cheap Hats,
Cheap hats today.....

Scott,
I have no idea which one of Neil's runs is correct. That's a question for the ECTA folks. None of which post here to my knowledge.

However, you are passing along some incorrect information here in your post.

It looks as though Neil was running in blown fuel. Not in blown gas which is the Maxton record you posted.
Let's give credit where credit is due. The correct Maxton record holder for the class that Neil was running would be....

5112   MPS/BF-1350-4    Warner/Forstall Racing     Bill Warner   May-10    272.374

Shane is one hell of a rider and a personal friend but not the correct Maxton record holder for Neil's class.
He is certainly the blown gas record holder which is the record you posted.

Yes, Ryan, you are quite right,
and that mistake is mine.

On the other hand, here's a little more information on the question:

At the beginning of the May 2014 meet, the record in the class in question was this:

MPS/BF-1350/4   Ostergard/Robertson   Jennifer   Robertson   213.6752   2014-07-12 14:47:35

I think this record is still Jennifer's and yours, Ryan.

The rider in question raced to this result:

9984   MPS/BF-1350/4   202.1563      Neil Burgan      New Record: Prior 200.9826   05/03/2014 13:14:21

You will note that the May result was more than 10 MPH slower than Jen's record, set two years ago.

 And yet, SOMEHOW, the "rider's" class was changed from
1)  MPS/BF-1350/4 to TO (Time only),and then
2) SOMEHOW, that gained the rider entry into the Ohio 200 MPH Club.

This is NOT the first time that the ECTA has "accidentally" inducted a rider / Driver
into the 200 MPH Club.  When I was on the ECTA board of directors, I witnessed
three (3) other times an un-qualified rider was inducted,
and I objected a LOT.

In two instances, the driver(s) returned and posted proper speeds.
The motorcycle rider made another run in the correct class,
and properly earned the "hat."   

Easy as it is to join the Ohio 200 MPH Club,
the rules should still be followed.........

This is all very interesting Scott, but if it bothers you, why are you discussing it here, and not with the appropriate ECTA official? I'm sure Keith Turk would be happy to figure this out, or at least provide an explanation. Perhaps it was a mistake, and your agony can be relieved! -Dean

[scott g]

[
This is all very interesting Scott, but if it bothers you,
why are you discussing it here, and not with the appropriate ECTA official?
I'm sure Keith Turk would be happy to figure this out,
or at least provide an explanation.

Perhaps it was a mistake, and
your agony can be relieved! -Dean

Thank you for a very practical suggestion Dean.

I prefer to state my thinking HERE,
where I am speaking to other racers - like you,
that have an interest in the correctness of
the ECTA's "list" of Ohio 200 MPH Club members.

I also post it here, because I have no interest in
discussing ANYTHING of this nature with the ECTA about this.

I have had face-to-face discussions with the appropriate
ECTA 200 Club operators in the past, and they decided to
allow two (2) candidate members to join who did NOT
meet the minimum specifications for membership.

If criticism of the ECTA and the Ohio 200 MPH Club
bothers you, than so be it.

If this criticism causes you agony,
than by all means pursue a remedy !

It is in the SUZUKIHAYABUSA.org DNA to criticize,
and this is but one example. 

In this case, the criticism is constructive; and will be
viewed by maybe 100 people maximum.

[scott g]

If the time was legitimate,
why is it not listed on
the Mile Over 200 List ?

Who's in charge of that list now ?

202.1563       Neil Burgan       05/03/2014 13:14:21


204   John Landry   202.830   GOL 03   
205   Aitch            202.800   ELV 10   
206   Derek Phillips   202.800   GOL 10   
207   Doug Teague   202.789   MAX 06   
208   Christopher Ming   202.702   MAX 05   
209   Thomas Peterson   202.670   MAX 04   
210   Bergie Frazier Jr.   202.593   MAX 02   
211   Rich Halverson (Halvefast)   202.577   GOL 08   
212   Lamar Settlesmires   202.561   MAX 10   
213   Eddie Powell   202.536   MAX 11   ****SIDE CAR****
214   Bob Moreland   202.300   MOJ 10   
215   David Gallaher   202.279   MAX 07   
216   Peter Jones   202.247   MAX 98   
217   Neale Bayly   202.247   MAX 03   
218   Dan Millholland (TeamMillholland)   202.247   MAX 02   
219   Carl Peterson   202.200   GOL 11   
220   John Logsdon   202.198   MAX 08   
221   David Pilgrim   202.140   MAX 07   
222   Kev Smith    202.000   ELV 10   

[osti33]

Good question, RH !

When I pull up the RECORD LISTINGS, I find the man is position #72, showing TO.

72    T/O    9984    Neil    Burgan    202.1563    2014-05-03 13:14:21    1    Budget Busa    Both

With a run time of 13:14:21 on May 3.

According to your reference of the run log.

The same entry # 9984, on run # 75, was in class MPS/BF-1350/4

75    1    9984    MPS/BF-1350/4    202.1563       Neil Burgan       New Record: Prior 200.9826    05/03/2014 13:14:21

Which result is correct ?

One has to assume that the Record Listing is correct, since
that would be double checked before publication......

In any case, the Maxton record is:

1105    MPS/BG-1350/4    Scott Guthrie Racing    Shane Stubbs    Apr-10    256.200

so I feel that to get "the Hat," the rider should have beaten Shane's 256.200 MPH........

I'm just a conservative..........

Cheap Hats,
Cheap hats today.....

Scott,
I have no idea which one of Neil's runs is correct. That's a question for the ECTA folks. None of which post here to my knowledge.

However, you are passing along some incorrect information here in your post.

It looks as though Neil was running in blown fuel. Not in blown gas which is the Maxton record you posted.
Let's give credit where credit is due. The correct Maxton record holder for the class that Neil was running would be....

5112   MPS/BF-1350-4    Warner/Forstall Racing     Bill Warner   May-10    272.374

Shane is one hell of a rider and a personal friend but not the correct Maxton record holder for Neil's class.
He is certainly the blown gas record holder which is the record you posted.

Yes, Ryan, you are quite right,
and that mistake is mine.

On the other hand, here's a little more information on the question:

At the beginning of the May 2014 meet, the record in the class in question was this:

MPS/BF-1350/4   Ostergard/Robertson   Jennifer   Robertson   213.6752   2014-07-12 14:47:35

I think this record is still Jennifer's and yours, Ryan.

The rider in question raced to this result:

9984   MPS/BF-1350/4   202.1563      Neil Burgan      New Record: Prior 200.9826   05/03/2014 13:14:21

You will note that the May result was more than 10 MPH slower than Jen's record, set two years ago.

 And yet, SOMEHOW, the "rider's" class was changed from
1)  MPS/BF-1350/4 to TO (Time only),and then
2) SOMEHOW, that gained the rider entry into the Ohio 200 MPH Club.

This is NOT the first time that the ECTA has "accidentally" inducted a rider / Driver
into the 200 MPH Club.  When I was on the ECTA board of directors, I witnessed
three (3) other times an un-qualified rider was inducted,
and I objected a LOT.

In two instances, the driver(s) returned and posted proper speeds.
The motorcycle rider made another run in the correct class,
and properly earned the "hat."   

Easy as it is to join the Ohio 200 MPH Club,
the rules should still be followed.........

Scott,
The format of the date on Jennifer and Neil's runs are different.

Jennifer's 213mph pass was made on July 12th 2014
Neil's pass was made on May 3rd 2014

It looks like if he did run a 202 then he would have been the record holder up until Jennifer went faster this month.
As far as the TO vs. MPS-BF-1350, I still have no idea. That's an ECTA issue. I have no idea which one is correct.

Ryan

[osti33]

If the time was legitimate,
why is it not listed on
the Mile Over 200 List ?

Who's in charge of that list now ?

202.1563       Neil Burgan       05/03/2014 13:14:21

Scott,

I'm taking care of the list now. I don't personally know Neil or know what his bike looks like. Otherwise I may have added him.

However, if you read the first few lines on the very first post of the "List" thread it states...

The purpose of this list:
1. To recognize individual LSR riders for having the passion/obsession and stamina to achieve 200mph on pavement.
2. To energize those people to go even faster by making it easy to see how close their competition is.
3. To encourage LSR folk to come here, SH.org, and share their experiences so we can learn from them.
Please post your updates, and I will incorporate your achievement!


The 4th line is the one I'm referring to.

Anyone that comes here and posts their speed gets added. I don't have the time or the intention of going through every single run from every single race around the globe to see if anyone should be on the list that isn't there.  Anyone that wants to be on the list is welcome to come here and post or message me and say "hey, I went XXXmph can you add me to the list?" I'll be more than happy to add them.

Now that I am aware of Neil's run l will be sure to add him to the list.

Ryan

[Got-Busa?]

Thank you for taking over the list Ryan, you are doing a great job!

Can someone explain AGAIN to Scott that the records are for each track and he can quit bringing up old runs.  Runs that his bike made at Maxton don't mean anything for the Ohio track. 

Hope everyone has a nice week!

[scott g]

[/b]

Scott,

I'm taking care of the list now.


Please post your updates, and I will incorporate your achievement!



Now that I am aware of Neil's run l will be sure to add him to the list.

Ryan
[/quote]

Right you are Ryan !

I had somehow missed that we were only adding
folks to the list that are Members of
suzukihayabusa.org, and post their times

Should we post Neil's speed,
even though he has not requested it.

Question of privacy, and all that

I'll of course leave of suggesting folks in the future,
since they should be doing the request themselves.

[scott g]

Thank you for taking over the list Ryan, you are doing a great job!

Can someone explain AGAIN to Scott that the records are for each track and he can quit bringing up old runs.  Runs that his bike made at Maxton don't mean anything for the Ohio track. 

Hope everyone has a nice week!

Josh, you haven't raced at either track,
so you may be lacking in some knowledge
of how the ECTA handles these things.

Or, perhaps, you can list for us, the
ECTA 200 MPH Club requirements
for entry(s) into their 200 Clubs

Are you enjoying your announced retirement
from motorcycle LSR racing ?

[osti33]

[/b]

Scott,

I'm taking care of the list now.


Please post your updates, and I will incorporate your achievement!



Now that I am aware of Neil's run l will be sure to add him to the list.

Ryan


Right you are Ryan !

I had somehow missed that we were only adding
folks to the list that are Members of
suzukihayabusa.org, and post their times

Should we post Neil's speed,
even though he has not requested it.

Question of privacy, and all that

I'll of course leave of suggesting folks in the future,
since they should be doing the request themselves.

Scott,
I think we're getting a little sidetracked here.

I'm not saying that people have to be members here to be on the list. Several people on the list aren't members here. I'm pretty sure you knew that though.

Anyone can be added to the list. I just have to know about their speed and I'll be glad to add them. I didn't know about Neil's run so he wasn't on the list. Now that you have posted it I'll be glad to add him.

While we're at it is their anyone else I'm missing?

Thanks
Ryan

[osti33]

Thank you for taking over the list Ryan, you are doing a great job!

Thanks Josh. I'm trying buddy!

Ryan

[Got-Busa?]

Thank you for taking over the list Ryan, you are doing a great job!

Can someone explain AGAIN to Scott that the records are for each track and he can quit bringing up old runs.  Runs that his bike made at Maxton don't mean anything for the Ohio track. 

Hope everyone has a nice week!

Josh, you haven't raced at either track,
so you may be lacking in some knowledge
of how the ECTA handles these things.

Or, perhaps, you can list for us, the
ECTA 200 MPH Club requirements
for entry(s) into their 200 Clubs

Are you enjoying your announced retirement
from motorcycle LSR racing ?

I haven't raced at either track huh? That's news to me...

Maybe you shouldn't care since you don't even race anymore Scott and if you do contact Keith..

The only one retired here is you..

[2fast4u2c]

Scott,
  I read every post but rarely ever post anymore.  Since I am one of the Motorcycle tech guys I guess I can be called an ECTA guy.  The rules have not changed as far as I am aware.  No one is in the ECTA 200 MPH club without breaking a record above 200mph that I am aware of but mistakes do happen.  There was many mis-prints of times and classes.  our new computer system used has been plagued with some bugs to say the least. 

The ring was offered by E. Don Smith and it is the ECTA 200 mph ring which is why you were contacted.  I'm not a ring wearer but thought they looked nice.

Here is what was posted at the ECTA website:

ECTA 200 MPH Club Rings are now available!

Posted on June 4, 2014   
 
We have a special announcement for the ECTA 200 MPH club members.

With everyone headed to the track this weekend there will be some big news ahead. I am breaking it here first but there will be order forms and flyers at the track as well. The company will need 18 orders to avoid the tooling costs so if you are interested please act now.

Click here for the official order form

https://www.dropbox.com/s/dklj5kgxt086y4c/ECTA%20ORDER%20FORM.pdf

Please note: The ECTA is not involved with the ordering of the rings as you will be going directly to the manufacturer. We would like to thank E. Don Smith for all his efforts putting this together

If I can ever be a conduit between anyone here and the ECTA, I would be pleased to do so.  Please just E-Mail at TigerRacing@bex.net

I miss your wifes cookies.

Guy

[scott g]

Scott,

  I read every post but rarely ever post anymore.

 Since I am one of the Motorcycle tech guys I guess I
can be called an ECTA guy.  The rules have not changed
as far as I am aware. 

No one is in the ECTA 200 MPH club without breaking a record
above 200mph that I am aware of but mistakes do happen. 

There was many mis-prints of times and classes.  our new
computer system used has been plagued with some bugs to say the least. 


I miss your wifes cookies.

Guy

Guy: Since you seem to be the "go - to " person for
motorcycles and the ECTA, I will step back, and withdraw
any of my criticism.

Your reputation for fairness, accuracy and knowledge
is 2nd to none, and there is no parson in the
ECTA that can do a better, more respected
job than you do.

Everyone who races bikes at Wilmington
is in your debt for the care that you take
for OUR safe racing, and we appreciate that !

Best to you and the soldier,

Scott 'n Ellen

[2fast4u2c]

Thanks Scott but you and I both know I'm just a racer like you who volunteers when at the track. You were the one who got me started at Maxton. You were the one who taught me some some very important lessons in high speed racing. Plus you were the one who brings that great woman every time that makes those awesome chic chip cookies. Ellen is one of a kind. She puts up with you too. Lol
Dianna sends her best to you both.

Our sport is an integrity sport. ECTA is a family organization with many changes going on this year. Changes are good and I know you will be engaged again. I miss ya Scott. But I know it's a long drive for you. When we do finally get on the course again, I invite you to come watch us go fast.

Thanks for the accolades, but they are undeserved.

Guy

[05chris]

If you live in the upper central states;
now is the time to plan on "joining"
the Ohio 200 MPH Club.

Having started this May 2014,
Riders may now join WITHOUT
having to set a record;
just by going 200 MPH.

Just bring your Stage III RCC
kitted Busa, and struggle to
200.2 MPH, and you can be
a full Club Member.

Think how proud you will be !

or for a nominal fee i can rent you a bike to do it on