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« on: May 08, 2015, 08:27:56 PM »
I have been away from Busa's for a couple years but recently started building a 1441 cutrail gen2.   I know  petrik and boost by smith sells the  box to flash your ecu , I do have one and they are the way to go.

.  My question and I  think I  already know the answer.  I keep reading  on facebook that people are  saying to mail your ecu to get flashed tuned .. How the hell can you tune something without a dyno?   The guy that flashes them said a typical gen2 makes 192-198 with a pipe and his mail order tune??    Has something changed in the last two years regarding tuning?  People rave about this mail order tunes!   
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Re: facebook flashI
« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2015, 09:56:21 AM »
There is no good substitute for having your bike in the hands of a good tuner with the right tools to do the job right.
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« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2015, 10:08:02 AM »
Thats always been my thinking.. every bike is slightly different..when has a gen2 made 198hp with a pipe and tune!!??


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« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2015, 01:28:54 PM »
A Gen II Busa, no.   A ZX-14 tuned by Johnny Cheese............that and 6 more for a total of 204.  That, even though I don't particularly like a -14, was cool.
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« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2015, 03:10:46 PM »
Yeah the new 14's make good power out of the box..   I was almost thinking about going to that side , I think it is a better stock bike but who leaves a bike stock.

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« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2015, 04:33:31 PM »
Yeah the new 14's make good power out of the box..   I was almost thinking about going to that side , I think it is a better stock bike but who leaves a bike stock.

Nobody does.  A ZX-14 does not lend itself to engine mods as easily as a Busa.............you can do a 1441 kit on a Gen II Busa with headwork and have 220 RWHP.

A 14, as you know, has cylinders integrated with the cases.  I do not like that.  Plus, green is an unlucky color, IMO.   :thumb: :bike:
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« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2015, 05:36:18 PM »
I have to ask...who is that on you profile pic?

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« Reply #7 on: May 09, 2015, 08:03:03 PM »
Thats always been my thinking.. every bike is slightly different..when has a gen2 made 198hp with a pipe and tune!!??



Maybe STD on a very happy dyno. :lol:

(he probably forgot to mention the all short stacks,less than 0 weight oil,DRZ2 non o-ring chain,MR12,etc. :lol:)
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« Reply #8 on: May 09, 2015, 08:08:11 PM »
I have to ask...who is that on you profile pic?

Spitting image of my grandfather

That is me with my pals up at the Harley shop on a Friday night just sittin' around and smokin' and jokin.............pic is about 7 years old now and I ain't quite as attractive as in that photo.
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« Reply #9 on: May 09, 2015, 08:12:18 PM »
 :lol:
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« Reply #10 on: May 09, 2015, 09:42:18 PM »
Brock's performance sells a pile of exhausts for the Busa and they also send a pre-programmed Power Commander with it for about 350 more.  They have set these units up after countless hours on the Dyno tuning with the same type motorcycles.  I really like mine.  Fastest stock motor Busa I ever owned or rode.

The most they ever got out of a Gen II with stock internals was about 192 - and we are talkin' less-than-zero weight oil, a non-O-ring chain, etc., but the bike was on pump gas and the gas was ethanol free.   
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« Reply #11 on: May 10, 2015, 09:42:35 AM »
Thats always been my thinking.. every bike is slightly different..when has a gen2 made 198hp with a pipe and tune!!??
198 with just a pipe and no other mods,  dam that must a hell of a tune up, I think maybe the fans cooling the motor had a little happy gas going through them, I'm not going to say no fucking way, but I would have to be there running the dyno, and riding the bike after, I think honestly it would be more like 172-178
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« Reply #12 on: May 10, 2015, 09:47:40 AM »
Thats always been my thinking.. every bike is slightly different..when has a gen2 made 198hp with a pipe and tune!!??


:lol:

Maybe STD on a very happy dyno. :lol:

(he probably forgot to mention the all short stacks,less than 0 weight oil,DRZ2 non o-ring chain,MR12,etc. :lol:)
Yea that's it, :lol: the MR-12 along with the other goodies you might get 198, still I'd have to be there  :lol:
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« Reply #13 on: May 10, 2015, 11:33:45 AM »
Thats always been my thinking.. every bike is slightly different..when has a gen2 made 198hp with a pipe and tune!!??


:lol:

Maybe STD on a very happy dyno. :lol:

(he probably forgot to mention the all short stacks,less than 0 weight oil,DRZ2 non o-ring chain,MR12,etc. :lol:)


Yea that's it, :lol: the MR-12 along with the other goodies you might get 198, still I'd have to be there  :lol:

Gotta be a very "un-stingy" Dyno, methinks.

Brock's got 192 on a 2009 with a Power Commander (PCV) and a "Full Race" Pipe and a non-O-ring chain, BST carbons with ceramic bearings, Vortex alloy sprocket, Short Stacks, Less-Than Zero weight synthetic oil from Alysyn with Petron, and Non-ethanol pump gas and that bike likely made 50+ pulls to get that number.

Just a pipe would net ya about 8-10 or so..........on a good day, IMO.
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« Reply #14 on: May 10, 2015, 01:27:36 PM »
Flashing the ECU and tuning through the ECU are different things.There are lots of things you can accomplish flashing an ECU without tuning.

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« Reply #15 on: May 10, 2015, 01:30:58 PM »
Flashing the ECU and tuning through the ECU are different things.There are lots of things you can accomplish flashing an ECU without tuning.

A Flash can, just as you say, do a bunch of stuff..........but 198?   Hmmmmmmmm.   :?
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« Reply #16 on: May 10, 2015, 09:06:29 PM »
I'm hoping for a 190 SAE rwhp with the short meg,short stacks,Sprint filter,etc. when these guys get done with the tune/mapping,know several guys that went there with great results(definitely seem to know their shit).

http://www.attackperformance.com/ServiceDyno.html

http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/817/13776/Motorcycle-Article/Attack-Performance-CRT-Takes-on-MotoGP.aspx
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« Reply #17 on: May 11, 2015, 08:23:46 AM »
You guys are killing me with your exacting descriptions of what it absolutely takes to make "that kind of power". Your experience and attentiveness to detail are absolutely beautiful. I love reading line after line as you guys go at it......knowledge is power and you Geezers got a ton. No disrespect there Jeff.....

Dave ?, you been schooled there Bud !
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« Reply #18 on: May 11, 2015, 03:15:02 PM »
You guys are killing me with your exacting descriptions of what it absolutely takes to make "that kind of power". Your experience and attentiveness to detail are absolutely beautiful. I love reading line after line as you guys go at it......knowledge is power and you Geezers got a ton. No disrespect there Jeff.....

Dave ?, you been schooled there Bud !

Thanks,
              On rare occasions, you can "teach an old dog new tricks".   It just takes a bit longer.   :)
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« Reply #19 on: May 11, 2015, 05:10:06 PM »
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« Reply #20 on: May 11, 2015, 05:53:31 PM »
If you wont believe 190hp then try this.    http://houston.craigslist.org/mcy/5019265698.html

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« Reply #21 on: May 11, 2015, 07:42:28 PM »
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« Reply #22 on: May 12, 2015, 02:52:34 AM »
If you wont believe 190hp then try this.    http://houston.craigslist.org/mcy/5019265698.html

I like the paint.  Too much RWHP for me though.   :mrgreen:
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« Reply #23 on: May 12, 2015, 04:49:16 AM »
He must have flashed his ecu twice :mrgreen:

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« Reply #24 on: May 12, 2015, 06:04:49 AM »
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