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Re: Texas mile
« Reply #25 on: September 05, 2015, 05:15:13 PM »
Any how my question is if geared correctly  could a prostreet  setup power wise come close? Those guys are running over 200 in a 1/4. Just wondering probably  stupid question  but have time on my hands to think to much lol.

Power wise...yes. They're too long as is, and you can forget about the ones with the side mount turbos and intercoolers because of the obvious.
OK thanks I figure the top prostreet  bikes make North  of 600 hp and are most likely  using most of it. Not to sound stupid but I guess the top LSR guys aren't  just throwing  every  bit of hp they have to the ground to go fast.

I'll bet the fast LSR guys are putting down
every bit of the power they can TO THE GROUND to go fast. 



I think this is probably true.

HOWEVER

1)  The tires that can be expected to GO 300 mph are small
and have (relative to "wrinkle wall" slicks) very little traction.

2)  The tires that may have good traction - like drag
slicks - would disintegrate at sustained high speeds.

3)  Right now, it is generally thought the reason
Bill Warner died 2 years ago was a tire failure.

No easy answers..........

To go twice the speed takes more than four
 times the power, which the tire must transmit.

The difference between 260 mph (which my riders
used to do all the time) and 300 mph is
probably at least NINE times the risk.

NOBODY has gone over 300 MPH
on a sit-on bike more than once,
AND lived...........



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Re: Texas mile
« Reply #26 on: September 05, 2015, 05:16:14 PM »
Okay I am gonna say something that REALLY bothers me

If we know a lot more about Bills and DaveOs accidents.....WHY the F has it not been published
aroostock county knows what good does that do to help prevent further incidents?
Same with Daveo's crash
sorry if this is off topic but really come on are these crash causes some kind of secret?

I was in charge of the Professional Motorcycle
Homicide Investigation of Dave O's crash at Maxton.

The ECTA paid me to do the investigation,
and I gave them the only paper copy.

It is their intellectual property
to keep quiet or publish

They own it.


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I have performed a professional homicide
investigation of Bill's accident. 

I have made my own preliminary assessments,
but I need the information that Aroostock
County found at the scene.

I have asked the law enforcement agency
that investigated Bill's accident there (3)
times for the remaining information
that I need to finalize my conclusions. 

They have never replied. 

They know,

They ain't talking.


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Re: Texas mile
« Reply #27 on: September 06, 2015, 06:01:45 PM »
BULLSHIT!

I think you are quite right Tom.

There has never been published
a CONCLUSIVE explanation of why
Bill died so tragically a couple of years
ago, and it is about time !

My belief is that Bill would have wanted
a full and open explanation of his accident.

He made those explanations for his near-fatal accident at Beeville,
and I think we can expect that he would have wanted one
for his final accident - if only in the hope that nobody
else would suffer the same fate.

Aroostock county has one of the final pieces  of the puzzle,
the police photo's and records of their post-accident investigations.

Perhaps the data from Bill's on-board data system still "lives" in the bike.

That would certainly be useful too........

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Re: Texas mile
« Reply #28 on: September 07, 2015, 08:24:59 PM »
BULLSHIT!

I think you are quite right Tom.

There has never been published
a CONCLUSIVE explanation of why
Bill died so tragically a couple of years
ago, and it is about time !

My belief is that Bill would have wanted
a full and open explanation of his accident.

He made those explanations for his near-fatal accident at Beeville,
and I think we can expect that he would have wanted one
for his final accident - if only in the hope that nobody
else would suffer the same fate.

Aroostock county has one of the final pieces  of the puzzle,
the police photo's and records of their post-accident investigations.

Perhaps the data from Bill's on-board data system still "lives" in the bike.

That would certainly be useful too........

wrong Tom... I don't think that you will ever see the data from Bills bike. How much do you charge to investigate these accidents that you speak of?

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Re: Texas mile
« Reply #29 on: September 07, 2015, 11:04:24 PM »
wrong Tom...
I don't think that you will ever see the data from Bills bike.
How much do you charge to investigate
these accidents that you speak of?
[/quote]

Quite right.   YOU are Tom.

I am retired now, and don't do any more
motorcycle accident investigation or
reconstruction any more.

Did it for 40 years,
that's long enough.

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Re: Texas mile
« Reply #30 on: September 08, 2015, 11:57:16 AM »
wrong Tom...
I don't think that you will ever see the data from Bills bike.
How much do you charge to investigate
these accidents that you speak of?

Quite right.   YOU are Tom.

I am retired now, and don't do any more
motorcycle accident investigation or
reconstruction any more.

Did it for 40 years,
that's long enough.

[/quote]so you retired even though you could not finish the investigation on Bill's accident? Who hired you to investigate Bill's accident and how much did they pay you?
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Re: Texas mile
« Reply #31 on: September 16, 2015, 11:14:25 AM »
Just to make sure we are on the same subject here......

In the past, Bill posted video's and pictures of his accidents,
at least one of them ( at Beeville) was almost fatal.

Bill, I believe, wanted other racers, tuners, riders and organizers
to know what went wrong, so things could be changed for the better. 

I believe BILL believed in saving lives.

I started a homicide investigation of Bill's fatal Loring accident. 
My work lead me into the phase of the accident reconstruction
where accident scene photographs were necessary to continue my work.

I called Aroostock County three (3) times to order
THEIR photographs of the accident.  They never
followed up and sent the photo's. 

I had formed certain conclusions,
many of which I published on the internet,
and here on this website.

I have made certain preliminary conclusions about Bill's crash.

KNOWING that Bill's bike is still available for examination
(Including MAYBE Bill's data aqusition files), and KNOWING
that the Aroostock photo's exist but are currently unavailable
or my examination( AND they say the pictures  are digital,
on a CD, and ready for email...) makes further work a waste
 of time until the rest of the information is made public....

I was not being paid to do the work, I was doing it because:

1)  I wanted to know the causes of the crash, and the
possible life-saving things that we others
could do to save ourselves and others.

2)  I think BILL would have wanted the same thing.

A)  It is difficult to prevent FUTURE crashes if
we don't know the causes of the present crashes.

B)  It is easy to read other peoples conclusions
about crashes, and take action.

C)  HOWEVER, there are many of us that would like
to ALSO study the same evidence,
and form our on conclusions......

D)  We are RACERS, we ALL believe that we can
build a faster bike and/or ride it faster. 

E)  Why would we NOT also believe we would benefit
from the seeing facts upon which OTHERS form
conclusions about why a bike crashed ?

My previous posts show that I believed Bill Warner
was one of ( if not THE) most talented and thoughtful
folks to ever compete in pavement LSR.

It just HURTS that his accident will remain unexplained......


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Re: Texas mile
« Reply #32 on: September 16, 2015, 05:33:51 PM »
Just to make sure we are on the same subject here......

In the past, Bill posted video's and pictures of his accidents,
at least one of them ( at Beeville) was almost fatal.

Bill, I believe, wanted other racers, tuners, riders and organizers
to know what went wrong, so things could be changed for the better. 

I believe BILL believed in saving lives.

I started a homicide investigation of Bill's fatal Loring accident. 
My work lead me into the phase of the accident reconstruction
where accident scene photographs were necessary to continue my work.

I called Aroostock County three (3) times to order
THEIR photographs of the accident.  They never
followed up and sent the photo's. 

I had formed certain conclusions,
many of which I published on the internet,
and here on this website.

I have made certain preliminary conclusions about Bill's crash.

KNOWING that Bill's bike is still available for examination
(Including MAYBE Bill's data aqusition files), and KNOWING
that the Aroostock photo's exist but are currently unavailable
or my examination( AND they say the pictures  are digital,
on a CD, and ready for email...) makes further work a waste
 of time until the rest of the information is made public....

I was not being paid to do the work, I was doing it because:

1)  I wanted to know the causes of the crash, and the
possible life-saving things that we others
could do to save ourselves and others.

2)  I think BILL would have wanted the same thing.

A)  It is difficult to prevent FUTURE crashes if
we don't know the causes of the present crashes.

B)  It is easy to read other peoples conclusions
about crashes, and take action.

C)  HOWEVER, there are many of us that would like
to ALSO study the same evidence,
and form our on conclusions......

D)  We are RACERS, we ALL believe that we can
build a faster bike and/or ride it faster. 

E)  Why would we NOT also believe we would benefit
from the seeing facts upon which OTHERS form
conclusions about why a bike crashed ?

My previous posts show that I believed Bill Warner
was one of ( if not THE) most talented and thoughtful
folks to ever compete in pavement LSR.

It just HURTS that his accident will remain unexplained......

Who hired you to do the "professional investigation" that you said you did on Bill's accident?

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Re: Texas mile
« Reply #33 on: October 01, 2015, 10:22:00 PM »
Crickets...kind of nice   :mrgreen: