Clutch slipping 05 busa

[Jeremyg1283]

this great!!. I am learning alot about clutches. thanks for all the info.

As for the last fiber I dont have to move it to the different notches!
hmm cool

[Jeremygg1283]

sorry two things to remember, on the later models the first (B) plate was replaced with the three part mod but its still the same thickness, and finally my old gripe remember to put the last plate in one slot round its important. (I'll give any one a chocolate muffin if they can tell me why).

Must I do this or will I get more life out of a clutch if it is all aligned in the same groves?

[Jeremyg1283]

sorry two things to remember, on the later models the first (B) plate was replaced with the three part mod but its still the same thickness, and finally my old gripe remember to put the last plate in one slot round its important. (I'll give any one a chocolate muffin if they can tell me why).

Must I do this or will I get more life out of a clutch if it is all aligned in the same groves?

i have two accounts on accident!lol

[piratediverjefff]

 

[Dillon]

sorry two things to remember, on the later models the first (B) plate was replaced with the three part mod but its still the same thickness, and finally my old gripe remember to put the last plate in one slot round its important. (I'll give any one a chocolate muffin if they can tell me why).

Must I do this or will I get more life out of a clutch if it is all aligned in the same groves?

Its a safety thing really I don't think it would be an issue with normal use. The explanation Sportbikerider gave is spot on.  IF you were a race guy then you might set it up different but then you would be inspecting more often. But for some one who just rides on the road and doesn't ever open the clutch to have a look then I would say do it as per the manual.

[Ghost-Geezer]

Question? on a newly installed clutch pack is it necessary to bed it in with regular conventional Suzi oil or can you begin with Motul's 300v (with esther core) 10w-40 full synthetic racing oil?  Four 4 litre jugs of that stuff cost me over 220 bucks over the counter at the local Honda Shop here about a month ago. Enquiring minds wish to know. 

Thank you as always for your patience,

Dave

[turbo051k]

Soak them in whatever oil you intend to use(if doing an oil/filter change for example) or is currently in the bike(not doing an oil change,and just replacing clutch pack).

[Ghost-Geezer]

Back in 1978, I bought a used 1974 Norton Interstate and rode it across the US of A that summer with a buddy.  The clutch pak in that bike was all metal plates...........no fibres, why can we not do that?

[Jeremyg1283]

So it is hooking up completely! Not a once of slippage. I swapped out three of the springs for 3 heavy duty and its money. I had 4 pf the 6 but it was too hard to pull te lever in.
So I plan on racing everyone i can to see how this clutch stands up. Im at the drag strip dec 12th for some 1/8 fun.
I DO have a new OEM clutch just incase it is cooked.

[Jeremyg1283]

So it is hooking up completely! Not a once of slippage. I swapped out three of the springs for 3 heavy duty and its money. I had 4 pf the 6 but it was too hard to pull te lever in.
So I plan on racing everyone i can to see how this clutch stands up. Im at the drag strip dec 12th for some 1/8 fun.
I DO have a new OEM clutch just incase!!

[LVBUSA]

So at 6,000+ it's still locked and pulling to the rev limiter ? First gear, second gear, no issues or popping loose ?.....

[Jeremyg1283]

Yes. Stayed locked and pulled to rev.

[DougChan]

Just went through this with my 05,just use the Brock's clutch mod center piece..some people weld the stock one , but it has to be clamped right when welded and run concentric. Measure the completed stack before installing.Mine came out to 1.989" . Only use the brock's spring spacers and stock springs.A brace for the cover that holds the slave is good insurance. The purple springs are stiff and the green ones are way too stiff and  will break you slave case first pull.

[piratediverjefff]

Just went through this with my 05,just use the Brock's clutch mod center piece..some people weld the stock one , but it has to be clamped right when welded and run concentric. Measure the completed stack before installing.Mine came out to 1.989" . Only use the brock's spring spacers and stock springs.A brace for the cover that holds the slave is good insurance. The purple springs are stiff and the green ones are way too stiff and  will break you slave case first pull.

Coming up through your way around 6:00 this morning bro,mama/her sisters/grandkids rented a cabin in Big Bear for the weekend(they went up yesterday)and told them I'd come up and spend today with them(just to keep me off the shit list ).If I can find your phone # in the next 1/2 hour I'll give you a call when I'm up there.

Jeff

[turbo051k]

Just went through this with my 05,just use the Brock's clutch mod center piece..some people weld the stock one , but it has to be clamped right when welded and run concentric. Measure the completed stack before installing.Mine came out to 1.989" . Only use the brock's spring spacers and stock springs.A brace for the cover that holds the slave is good insurance. The purple springs are stiff and the green ones are way too stiff and  will break you slave case first pull.

Coming up through your way around 6:00 this morning bro,mama/her sisters/grandkids rented a cabin in Big Bear for the weekend(they went up yesterday)and told them I'd come up and spend today with them(just to keep me off the shit list ).If I can find your phone # in the next 1/2 hour I'll give you a call when I'm up there.

Jeff

Ooooo,can I tag along too?

[DougChan]

hey pirate Jeff....im at my shop and my cell is 909 855 6429.. hope to see ya,,might have to put you to work!,,,need a little advice also

[Jeremyg1283]

Just went through this with my 05,just use the Brock's clutch mod center piece..some people weld the stock one , but it has to be clamped right when welded and run concentric. Measure the completed stack before installing.Mine came out to 1.989" . Only use the brock's spring spacers and stock springs.A brace for the cover that holds the slave is good insurance. The purple springs are stiff and the green ones are way too stiff and  will break you slave case first pull.

I used three of the mildly stiff springs from brocks and it works great. Are you saying its not good to do that? That it will break?

[Ghost-Geezer]

Just went through this with my 05,just use the Brock's clutch mod center piece..some people weld the stock one , but it has to be clamped right when welded and run concentric. Measure the completed stack before installing.Mine came out to 1.989" . Only use the brock's spring spacers and stock springs.A brace for the cover that holds the slave is good insurance. The purple springs are stiff and the green ones are way too stiff and  will break you slave case first pull.

That is the exact same setup I have on my little 206 HP bike and it holds like a rock.  But, having said that, The Boss sez we need heavier springs or possibly a single stage lock up.  There will be a lot more torque at 380 HP than at 206. 

[piratediverjefff]

Just went through this with my 05,just use the Brock's clutch mod center piece..some people weld the stock one , but it has to be clamped right when welded and run concentric. Measure the completed stack before installing.Mine came out to 1.989" . Only use the brock's spring spacers and stock springs.A brace for the cover that holds the slave is good insurance. The purple springs are stiff and the green ones are way too stiff and  will break you slave case first pull.

Coming up through your way around 6:00 this morning bro,mama/her sisters/grandkids rented a cabin in Big Bear for the weekend(they went up yesterday)and told them I'd come up and spend today with them(just to keep me off the shit list ).If I can find your phone # in the next 1/2 hour I'll give you a call when I'm up there.

Jeff

Ooooo,can I tag along too?

I waited a 1/2 hour for ya.

[piratediverjefff]

hey pirate Jeff....im at my shop and my cell is 909 855 6429.. hope to see ya,,might have to put you to work!,,,need a little advice also

Shit,sorry I missed you today bro.Got up there just before 7:00AM and was colder'n shit(18 degrees),hung out at Bear Mountain for a few hours while the girlfriend's two grandkids(ages 5 and 7)skied(the 7 yr. old flies down the slopes ).Was glad to get down the hill and home,77 degrees here at the house.Will be going back up in a couple of months and will give you a call.

[DougChan]

jereymyg  1283 The brock's spacers are designed to be run with the stock springs. I drag race mine with a 16' 47 tooth sprockets and a slick.It has nice action off the line.The purple springs can be run with only 3 total and hold! The green ones will break the slave cyl. case without a good brace..lightly oil disc when assembling..The bottom line is the stack height, since you can't adjust the clutch.,,,the print of the stack is on this page and its the one to study carefully...make it fun!     Jeff , you won't even recognize my old busa when you see it!..gostgeezer's got me going nuts with my 60ft.!

[turbo051k]

Just went through this with my 05,just use the Brock's clutch mod center piece..some people weld the stock one , but it has to be clamped right when welded and run concentric. Measure the completed stack before installing.Mine came out to 1.989" . Only use the brock's spring spacers and stock springs.A brace for the cover that holds the slave is good insurance. The purple springs are stiff and the green ones are way too stiff and  will break you slave case first pull.

Coming up through your way around 6:00 this morning bro,mama/her sisters/grandkids rented a cabin in Big Bear for the weekend(they went up yesterday)and told them I'd come up and spend today with them(just to keep me off the shit list ).If I can find your phone # in the next 1/2 hour I'll give you a call when I'm up there.

Jeff

Ooooo,can I tag along too?

I waited a 1/2 hour for ya.

Im almost there,another 2000mi to go. 

[piratediverjefff]

Just went through this with my 05,just use the Brock's clutch mod center piece..some people weld the stock one , but it has to be clamped right when welded and run concentric. Measure the completed stack before installing.Mine came out to 1.989" . Only use the brock's spring spacers and stock springs.A brace for the cover that holds the slave is good insurance. The purple springs are stiff and the green ones are way too stiff and  will break you slave case first pull.

Coming up through your way around 6:00 this morning bro,mama/her sisters/grandkids rented a cabin in Big Bear for the weekend(they went up yesterday)and told them I'd come up and spend today with them(just to keep me off the shit list ).If I can find your phone # in the next 1/2 hour I'll give you a call when I'm up there.

Jeff

Ooooo,can I tag along too?

I waited a 1/2 hour for ya.

Im almost there,another 2000mi to go. 

 

[piratediverjefff]

jereymyg  1283 The brock's spacers are designed to be run with the stock springs. I drag race mine with a 16' 47 tooth sprockets and a slick.It has nice action off the line.The purple springs can be run with only 3 total and hold! The green ones will break the slave cyl. case without a good brace..lightly oil disc when assembling..The bottom line is the stack height, since you can't adjust the clutch.,,,the print of the stack is on this page and its the one to study carefully...make it fun!     Jeff , you won't even recognize my old busa when you see it!..gostgeezer's got me going nuts with my 60ft.!

I believe it bro,been a while since we've crossed paths.You still running often at Irwindale(Jeremy wants to start running up there)?

[Rocketgeezer]

Back in 1978, I bought a used 1974 Norton Interstate and rode it across the US of A that summer with a buddy.  The clutch pak in that bike was all metal plates...........no fibres, why can we not do that?

From what I understand, and it doe's make sense, it's because back in 1978 your Norton and just about anything else out there had nothing near the 206 HP of your currint Busa, let alone 3, 4, 5, hundred of some of our Turbos or race bikes, truth is clutch plates and disc,'s could be made of metal, soft steel, brass, combination's or whatever, but the plate pressure to lock them up would need a clutch lever about a foot and a half long, might get away with it in a drag race only useing some sort of progressive lock up, but I'm sure its been tryed,    a good example is the clutch system on a Top Fuel dragster, all metal clutch, plates, and floaters with the hydraulic/air/centrifical pressure plate putting enough force on the pack to lift a building, also it's been used in some automatic transmissions used in cars in the past, using brass and steel, and at the time they stayed better than the fiber stuff or whatever they used then, then over the years the fiber type disc's got made with much better material and had several benifits over the metal..............................Jesus I sound one of those jackass instuctor's from school years ago who's class's we all slept through