Haybusa Parts and Service Member Support

Author Topic: Ricky Teaching How to Launch  (Read 28579 times)

Offline Jeremyg1283

  • Rider
  • ***
  • Posts: 78
  • Enthusiast
Ricky Teaching How to Launch
« on: January 26, 2016, 07:32:24 PM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jr_iVo7p_g

I need to work on this.
He says 3500 then let the clutch out and don't let the rpm come up. hmmm
country roads here i come.

Offline Red

  • Post Master
  • *****
  • Posts: 1355
  • Gender: Male
    • http://www.revival.tv
Re: Ricky Teaching How to Launch
« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2016, 08:06:05 PM »
1999 Prostar West Super Gas Champion !
2000 NMRA / Prostar Pro E/T runner up.
2001, 2002, & 2003 NMRA Pro E/T Champion !
2004 #3, 2005, & 2006 NMRA Pro E/T runner up.
2007 Pro. St. Legal #6, NMRA Pro E/T Champion !
2008 MDRA Super Streetbike Champion !

Offline DougChan

  • Apprentice Post Whore
  • **
  • Posts: 19
  • Enthusiast
Re: Ricky Teaching How to Launch
« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2016, 11:24:11 PM »
Hey Jeremyg 1283.  with your gearing you need higher RPM.  since I last saw you run your first pass at 6.88. Jeff is right weight is so important, You can launch a lot harder and slip the clutch more. I run a 16 / 47 and launch at 6500 or higher with my big old self on it and got a best of 6.52 sec. at 119 mph..my 60' is 1.62.. I need work on that. In about 3 weeks I'll be back out.....I have Adam's cell since he moved.

Offline Jeremygg1283

  • Rider
  • ***
  • Posts: 56
  • Enthusiast
Re: Ricky Teaching How to Launch
« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2016, 11:53:43 PM »
http://youtu.be/OaOOLXTxewg
Not according to one of the masters.
Watch this.

Offline turbo051k

  • OFF TOPIC
  • Post Whore
  • **********
  • Posts: 531
  • Enthusiast
Re: Ricky Teaching How to Launch
« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2016, 06:15:07 AM »
http://youtu.be/OaOOLXTxewg
Not according to one of the masters.
Watch this.
Yes. But. A 14R is 1441cc and your Gen1 is 1298. 14R w bolt-ons is making 200rwhp,your Gen1 is 160-170rwhp at best. 14R also has a shitload more torque then a stock Gen1.
Different horsepower/tq/powerband requires different launch strategies. Try 3500rpm,most likely the bike will stumble and you'll kill your ET.

From what I can recall,when my Gen1 was SWB and engine was stock I'd leave around 5500-6500rpm. Now,when my Gen2 was stock,if I left at that rpm I'd get a decent 60' but a shitty 330' cause it would wheelie hard. I adjusted the rpms lower and found that 4500rpm was good for me.

Trial and error. Everyone has different riding styles. Experiment with different rpm and make a mental note of which works best. Then strive to replicate that over&over until you are consistent. Just go slow and take your time. Trying out too many suggestions and following several peoples advice may overwhelm you.
Practice practice practice....if it were easy everyone would launch a bike like Rickey or Teasley :tu:
'97 DS-80
'82 GS 1100E
'00 Turbo Busa
'05 Turbo GSXR-1000
'09 Busa
'13 GSXR-1000
'15 John Deere L-140
'06 18" Stihl Farm Boss
'07 Echo leaf blower
'09 Echo weed wacker
'15 Polaris Sportsman 570

Offline Red

  • Post Master
  • *****
  • Posts: 1355
  • Gender: Male
    • http://www.revival.tv
Re: Ricky Teaching How to Launch
« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2016, 09:40:42 AM »

Hey Jeremyg 1283. 

With your gearing you need higher RPM. 

Since I last saw you run your first pass at 6.88.

Jeff is right weight is so important,
You can launch a lot harder and slip the clutch more.

I run a 16 / 47 and launch at 6500 or higher with my big old self on it and got a best of 6.52 sec. at 119 mph...
My 60' is 1.62... I need work on that. In about 3 weeks I'll be back out.....

I have Adam's cell since he moved.




Doug ~ did Adam get a new cell phone number ?

With 16/47 you can toss the lever & pin it !

The Z X 14 makes way more torque .

Weight makes HUGE differences.

Heavy guys need low gears.

The lighter guys here.

Not so much !

Red,    *<(:{)-
« Last Edit: January 27, 2016, 09:42:54 AM by Red »
1999 Prostar West Super Gas Champion !
2000 NMRA / Prostar Pro E/T runner up.
2001, 2002, & 2003 NMRA Pro E/T Champion !
2004 #3, 2005, & 2006 NMRA Pro E/T runner up.
2007 Pro. St. Legal #6, NMRA Pro E/T Champion !
2008 MDRA Super Streetbike Champion !

Offline turbo051k

  • OFF TOPIC
  • Post Whore
  • **********
  • Posts: 531
  • Enthusiast
Re: Ricky Teaching How to Launch
« Reply #6 on: January 27, 2016, 10:16:23 AM »
Red,that 14R you posted is based out of Cali correct? I swear I read an article(either online or in the now defunct SSB magazine)about that bike and the owner/his son in regards to E.T. advantages of using a multi-stage clutch. For some reason the name Augie is popping into my head
'97 DS-80
'82 GS 1100E
'00 Turbo Busa
'05 Turbo GSXR-1000
'09 Busa
'13 GSXR-1000
'15 John Deere L-140
'06 18" Stihl Farm Boss
'07 Echo leaf blower
'09 Echo weed wacker
'15 Polaris Sportsman 570

Offline Jeremygg1283

  • Rider
  • ***
  • Posts: 56
  • Enthusiast
Re: Ricky Teaching How to Launch
« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2016, 10:43:22 AM »
http://youtu.be/OaOOLXTxewg
Not according to one of the masters.
Watch this.
Yes. But. A 14R is 1441cc and your Gen1 is 1298. 14R w bolt-ons is making 200rwhp,your Gen1 is 160-170rwhp at best. 14R also has a shitload more torque then a stock Gen1.
Different horsepower/tq/powerband requires different launch strategies. Try 3500rpm,most likely the bike will stumble and you'll kill your ET.

 Good points do you remember what kind of ET ran with your stock busa.
 It does apply though how he spoke about the clutch and opening first and not letting our Rpm go up then come out of the hole.



From what I can recall,when my Gen1 was SWB and engine was stock I'd leave around 5500-6500rpm. Now,when my Gen2 was stock,if I left at that rpm I'd get a decent 60' but a shitty 330' cause it would wheelie hard. I adjusted the rpms lower and found that 4500rpm was good for me.

Trial and error. Everyone has different riding styles. Experiment with different rpm and make a mental note of which works best. Then strive to replicate that over&over until you are consistent. Just go slow and take your time. Trying out too many suggestions and following several peoples advice may overwhelm you.
Practice practice practice....if it were easy everyone would launch a bike like Rickey or Teasley :tu:

Offline Jeremygg1283

  • Rider
  • ***
  • Posts: 56
  • Enthusiast
Re: Ricky Teaching How to Launch
« Reply #8 on: January 27, 2016, 10:50:26 AM »
 Good points do you remember what kind of ET ran with your stock busa.
 It does apply though how he spoke about the clutch and opening first and not letting our Rpm go up then coming out of the hole.

Offline SEJ

  • OFF TOPIC
  • Rider
  • **********
  • Posts: 398
Re: Ricky Teaching How to Launch
« Reply #9 on: January 27, 2016, 11:43:52 AM »
Back in 2003 on my first Busa which was a '99, I ran a 9.59 @ 146.27 mph. It had an early small tube Hindle pipe, BMC filter, PC, -1 front, lowered and strapped. Stock wheelbase and foot shifted.
222.66 MPH at the Ohio Mile
201.52 MPH in the 1/2 Mile
12 lbs. boost
01' Turbo GSX-R 1000

Offline GSXRTURBO1

  • OFF TOPIC
  • Post Master
  • **********
  • Posts: 1830
Re: Ricky Teaching How to Launch
« Reply #10 on: January 27, 2016, 12:38:54 PM »
Red,that 14R you posted is based out of Cali correct? I swear I read an article(either online or in the now defunct SSB magazine)about that bike and the owner/his son in regards to E.T. advantages of using a multi-stage clutch. For some reason the name Augie is popping into my head

Herrera? (sp?)
Thomas

Offline Jeremygg1283

  • Rider
  • ***
  • Posts: 56
  • Enthusiast
Re: Ricky Teaching How to Launch
« Reply #11 on: January 27, 2016, 12:59:57 PM »
Back in 2003 on my first Busa which was a '99, I ran a 9.59 @ 146.27 mph. It had an early small tube Hindle pipe, BMC filter, PC, -1 front, lowered and strapped. Stock wheelbase and foot shifted.

Thats kickass! Man i hope to can get my bike to do something close to that. In the 9s stock would be awesome stock.
« Last Edit: January 27, 2016, 01:04:32 PM by Jeremygg1283 »

Offline Ghost-Geezer

  • OFF TOPIC
  • Universal Post Whore
  • **********
  • Posts: 7531
  • Gender: Male
  • Older But Still Sexy
Re: Ricky Teaching How to Launch
« Reply #12 on: January 27, 2016, 04:29:01 PM »
They only made about 158RWHP stock......................new stockers make a bit more.
"The thrill of Boost cannot be duplicated on earth."

"One drink is too many and a thousand is not enuf."

"Step UP or Step Aside"

"Four wheels moves the body,
Two wheels moves the soul."

Offline Red

  • Post Master
  • *****
  • Posts: 1355
  • Gender: Male
    • http://www.revival.tv
Re: Ricky Teaching How to Launch
« Reply #13 on: January 27, 2016, 05:00:29 PM »

Red,
that 14 R you posted is based out of Cali correct?

I swear I read an article
(either online or in the now defunct S S B magazine)
about that bike and the owner/his son in regards to E.T.
advantages of using a multi-stage clutch.

For some reason the name Augie is popping into my head.


https://www.facebook.com/BronzeStarRacing/

1999 Prostar West Super Gas Champion !
2000 NMRA / Prostar Pro E/T runner up.
2001, 2002, & 2003 NMRA Pro E/T Champion !
2004 #3, 2005, & 2006 NMRA Pro E/T runner up.
2007 Pro. St. Legal #6, NMRA Pro E/T Champion !
2008 MDRA Super Streetbike Champion !

Offline piratediverjefff

  • OFF TOPIC
  • Universal Post Whore
  • **********
  • Posts: 8540
  • Gender: Male
Re: Ricky Teaching How to Launch
« Reply #14 on: January 27, 2016, 05:09:27 PM »
They only made about 158RWHP stock......................new stockers make a bit more.

...and that would be on a good day with a happy dyno(for a totally stock Gen I with factory exhaust,etc.).Most seemed to make around 150-151 at the rear wheel,and 161-162 with a good exhaust,PC,etc.
Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day,light a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

Offline piratediverjefff

  • OFF TOPIC
  • Universal Post Whore
  • **********
  • Posts: 8540
  • Gender: Male
Re: Ricky Teaching How to Launch
« Reply #15 on: January 27, 2016, 05:13:43 PM »
I believe you're thinking about Auggie Herrera(and son Gaige)bro:

http://www.autoclubspeedway.com/Articles/2009/11/Augustine-Herrera.aspx
Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day,light a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

Offline piratediverjefff

  • OFF TOPIC
  • Universal Post Whore
  • **********
  • Posts: 8540
  • Gender: Male
Re: Ricky Teaching How to Launch
« Reply #16 on: January 27, 2016, 05:30:48 PM »
Launching a swb Gen I would be totally different than launching a Gen I with a 6" over arm.Lowered,strapped,and 6" over you can gear it down and get after it pretty hard,whereas I've seen swb Gen II'S actually drop a tooth on the rear and leave fairly soft to avoid a wheelie.I've never been able to pin mine in 1st gear without the front end coming right up so have to gradually roll it on(which is a pain in the ass),on my Gen I I could hammer it in 1st and never had the front pop up.I believe the main thing is to try to be at WOT/clutch all the way out at the 60' mark.I remember when little(about a 135 lbs. :lol:)Richard Gadson ran an 8.99 on Brocks Gen II,had to drop down to a 42T rear:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrsIt_I6hqw
« Last Edit: January 27, 2016, 06:09:06 PM by piratediverjefff »
Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day,light a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

Offline Jeremygg1283

  • Rider
  • ***
  • Posts: 56
  • Enthusiast
Re: Ricky Teaching How to Launch
« Reply #17 on: January 27, 2016, 10:56:16 PM »
Once my bike is all tuned up with nitrous and motor work its gonna be a different story. Lol
It will be a fun time at the track this year. Hope to learn allot and be part of it.

Offline Jeremygg1283

  • Rider
  • ***
  • Posts: 56
  • Enthusiast
Re: Ricky Teaching How to Launch
« Reply #18 on: January 27, 2016, 11:00:01 PM »
I could only imagine launching oldgixxers gen 1 or gen 2. Lol

Offline piratediverjefff

  • OFF TOPIC
  • Universal Post Whore
  • **********
  • Posts: 8540
  • Gender: Male
Re: Ricky Teaching How to Launch
« Reply #19 on: January 28, 2016, 04:48:02 AM »
 :lol:  :thumb:
Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day,light a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

Offline turbo051k

  • OFF TOPIC
  • Post Whore
  • **********
  • Posts: 531
  • Enthusiast
Re: Ricky Teaching How to Launch
« Reply #20 on: January 28, 2016, 05:15:23 AM »
Launching a swb Gen I would be totally different than launching a Gen I with a 6" over arm.Lowered,strapped,and 6" over you can gear it down and get after it pretty hard,whereas I've seen swb Gen II'S actually drop a tooth on the rear and leave fairly soft to avoid a wheelie.I've never been able to pin mine in 1st gear without the front end coming right up so have to gradually roll it on(which is a pain in the ass),on my Gen I I could hammer it in 1st and never had the front pop up.I believe the main thing is to try to be at WOT/clutch all the way out at the 60' mark.I remember when little(about a 135 lbs. :lol:)Richard Gadson ran an 8.99 on Brocks Gen II,had to drop down to a 42T rear:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrsIt_I6hqw
Yup,I run 18/42 on my SWB Gen2 and sometimes 18/41 for 1/4mi duty. Go through the traps at the top of 4th gear.

Jeremey,it's been a long time since I ran my Gen1 with a stock engine & SWB so I looked through some of my timeslips and 9.70s-9.80s at 140-143mph were the best I could find. Sounds about right;since I was 235lbs back then.
The bike was lowered,small box mod,Yosh RS3 pipe,PC2(anyone else remember those? lol)and had a welded slipper.
'97 DS-80
'82 GS 1100E
'00 Turbo Busa
'05 Turbo GSXR-1000
'09 Busa
'13 GSXR-1000
'15 John Deere L-140
'06 18" Stihl Farm Boss
'07 Echo leaf blower
'09 Echo weed wacker
'15 Polaris Sportsman 570

Offline Jeremygg1283

  • Rider
  • ***
  • Posts: 56
  • Enthusiast
Re: Ricky Teaching How to Launch
« Reply #21 on: January 28, 2016, 11:35:36 AM »
Launching a swb Gen I would be totally different than launching a Gen I with a 6" over arm.Lowered,strapped,and 6" over you can gear it down and get after it pretty hard,whereas I've seen swb Gen II'S actually drop a tooth on the rear and leave fairly soft to avoid a wheelie.I've never been able to pin mine in 1st gear without the front end coming right up so have to gradually roll it on(which is a pain in the ass),on my Gen I I could hammer it in 1st and never had the front pop up.I believe the main thing is to try to be at WOT/clutch all the way out at the 60' mark.I remember when little(about a 135 lbs. :lol:)Richard Gadson ran an 8.99 on Brocks Gen II,had to drop down to a 42T rear:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrsIt_I6hqw
Yup,I run 18/42 on my SWB Gen2 and sometimes 18/41 for 1/4mi duty. Go through the traps at the top of 4th gear.

Jeremey,it's been a long time since I ran my Gen1 with a stock engine & SWB so I looked through some of my timeslips and 9.70s-9.80s at 140-143mph were the best I could find. Sounds about right;since I was 235lbs back then.
The bike was lowered,small box mod,Yosh RS3 pipe,PC2(anyone else remember those? lol)and had a welded slipper.

Ok cool. So a 9 sec pass stock is what im shooting for then. Hopefully my suit fits i ordered. If so i will be running on the 7th. Coming out at 5500 like you guys said. 9.70 is fast as shit.

Offline Jeremygg1283

  • Rider
  • ***
  • Posts: 56
  • Enthusiast
Re: Ricky Teaching How to Launch
« Reply #22 on: January 28, 2016, 11:43:38 AM »
BTW thqnks for looking old gixxer!

Offline turbo051k

  • OFF TOPIC
  • Post Whore
  • **********
  • Posts: 531
  • Enthusiast
Re: Ricky Teaching How to Launch
« Reply #23 on: January 28, 2016, 01:09:33 PM »
BTW thqnks for looking old gixxer!
Anytime  :tu:

Btw,did you go with the purple Barney-suit? :hys:  :mrgreen:
'97 DS-80
'82 GS 1100E
'00 Turbo Busa
'05 Turbo GSXR-1000
'09 Busa
'13 GSXR-1000
'15 John Deere L-140
'06 18" Stihl Farm Boss
'07 Echo leaf blower
'09 Echo weed wacker
'15 Polaris Sportsman 570

Offline Red

  • Post Master
  • *****
  • Posts: 1355
  • Gender: Male
    • http://www.revival.tv
Re: Ricky Teaching How to Launch
« Reply #24 on: January 28, 2016, 01:20:16 PM »

 Good points do you remember what kind of ET ran with your stock busa.
 
It does apply though how he spoke about the clutch and opening first and not letting our Rpm go up then coming out of the hole.


9.81 @ 141 with stock exhaust @ Sacramento Raceway .  .  .

1999 Prostar West Super Gas Champion !
2000 NMRA / Prostar Pro E/T runner up.
2001, 2002, & 2003 NMRA Pro E/T Champion !
2004 #3, 2005, & 2006 NMRA Pro E/T runner up.
2007 Pro. St. Legal #6, NMRA Pro E/T Champion !
2008 MDRA Super Streetbike Champion !