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Weight Versus ET
« on: June 22, 2016, 12:08:46 PM »
I've read where every 20 lbs. in weight reduction is worth a 1/10th,and then again where someone said every 10 lbs. is worth a 10th.Anyone have any data or personal experience as to which one(if either)is in the ballpark?
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Re: Weight Versus ET
« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2016, 07:23:58 PM »
There is a ball park formula out there, google it
MPH/234 cubed or cube rooted
times the weight or something like that

When I last ran the numbers it came out pretty close
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Re: Weight Versus ET
« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2016, 07:38:03 PM »

There is a ball park formula out there,
google it

MPH/234 cubed or cube rooted
times the weight or something like that ?

When I last ran the numbers it came out pretty close .


http://www.wallaceracing.com/et-hp-mph.php

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Re: Weight Versus ET
« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2016, 08:16:33 PM »
Pretty cool Red,I entered 750 lbs. and 200 hp and it displayed a 9.05,then dropped it by 20 lbs.(730 lbs. with 200 hp)and it came up with 8.97.If it's a pretty close ballpark then less than a 1/10th of a second difference for 20 lbs.
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Re: Weight Versus ET
« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2016, 09:07:44 PM »

Pretty cool Red,
I entered 750 lbs.
and 200 hp and it displayed a 9.05,
then dropped it by 20 lbs.
(730 lbs. with 200 hp)
and it came up with 8.97.

If it's a pretty close ballpark then less than a 1/10th of a second difference for 20 lbs.


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Re: Weight Versus ET
« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2016, 02:01:22 AM »

There is a ball park formula out there,
google it

MPH/234 cubed or cube rooted
times the weight or something like that ?

When I last ran the numbers it came out pretty close .


http://www.wallaceracing.com/et-hp-mph.php

That will keep you occupied ~^~ just punch in some numbers .  .  .

This is great, i tried it with these numbers i got from scale, dyno and strip, speed was almost spot on but something was off   :D

weight 700, HP 250 =  8.21s / 164.61mph

true numbers were,
weight 700, HP 250  , 10,1s / 163.4mph

And it gives strange numbers calculating other way around,

weight 700, ET 10.1s = 138.35hp
          700,      9.5s  = 189.78
          700,        9s   = 189.78
          700,       8.5s  = 270.22
« Last Edit: June 23, 2016, 02:03:14 AM by speedduck »

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Re: Weight Versus ET
« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2016, 02:35:57 AM »
and there is a formula for HP-ET
which because of short time, is not a close on numbers
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Re: Weight Versus ET
« Reply #7 on: June 24, 2016, 04:45:14 AM »
The formula for 1/4 mile ET based on hp and weight is based on average power, so a machine that can not apply full power for the entire run will not run as quick as the calculation. That's why your numbers are 'strange' speedduck. On your 10.1 you were probably using very little power in 1st gear, and quite a bit in 4th gear, and the resulting average of the whole run was less than the dyno figure for that reason.

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Re: Weight Versus ET
« Reply #8 on: June 24, 2016, 05:42:25 AM »
I've read where every 20 lbs. in weight reduction is worth a 1/10th,and then again where someone said every 10 lbs. is worth a 10th.Anyone have any data or personal experience as to which one(if either)is in the ballpark?
Hey Bud you know me well enough to see that I'm not into any math formula that goes beyound naught one or naught two, and I'm not sure it would be the same with the bikes, but when I had my Nova drag car, cage, back halfed, small block on nitrous, 2966 lbs....1/8 mile 6.15.............put the exact same combo in the dragster, gear, nitrous, tire, everything, 1550 lbs 4.80  ..................trouble is with small amounts of weight its tough to know if it was the weight diff or air qaulity, or something else that would make a differance in ET
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Re: Weight Versus ET
« Reply #9 on: June 24, 2016, 09:27:34 AM »
I used to love doing the MPH math and the ET math and seeing how close a percentage I could get

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Re: Weight Versus ET
« Reply #10 on: June 24, 2016, 12:09:42 PM »
I've read where every 20 lbs. in weight reduction is worth a 1/10th,and then again where someone said every 10 lbs. is worth a 10th.Anyone have any data or personal experience as to which one(if either)is in the ballpark?
Hey Bud you know me well enough to see that I'm not into any math formula that goes beyound naught one or naught two, and I'm not sure it would be the same with the bikes, but when I had my Nova drag car, cage, back halfed, small block on nitrous, 2966 lbs....1/8 mile 6.15.............put the exact same combo in the dragster, gear, nitrous, tire, everything, 1550 lbs 4.80  ..................trouble is with small amounts of weight its tough to know if it was the weight diff or air qaulity, or something else that would make a differance in ET

It was cutting the weight in half................like having a turbo-Busa that weighs 275 lbs.
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Re: Weight Versus ET
« Reply #11 on: June 24, 2016, 07:49:14 PM »
All makes sense to me bros. :thumb:
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Re: Weight Versus ET
« Reply #12 on: June 24, 2016, 10:53:42 PM »
I always stuck with 20-25lbs for a .10th .That range just to compensate for inconsistencies that can occur with rider error, etc. and on a bike that is still at the very most airshifted but no fancy electronics.

Not sure if this still holds true once a vehicle runs in the 7s or quicker.


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Re: Weight Versus ET
« Reply #13 on: June 26, 2016, 11:56:22 AM »
I always stuck with 20-25lbs for a .10th .That range just to compensate for inconsistencies that can occur with rider error, etc. and on a bike that is still at the very most airshifted but no fancy electronics.

Not sure if this still holds true once a vehicle runs in the 7s or quicker.

The quicker/faster/lighter the bike/rider package is, the more I would think the amount of weight would be less to cost you a 10th.
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« Reply #14 on: June 26, 2016, 03:21:38 PM »
I always stuck with 20-25lbs for a .10th .That range just to compensate for inconsistencies that can occur with rider error, etc. and on a bike that is still at the very most airshifted but no fancy electronics.

Not sure if this still holds true once a vehicle runs in the 7s or quicker.

The quicker/faster/lighter the bike/rider package is, the more I would think the amount of weight would be less to cost you a 10th.
Like I said I have done very little with bikes at the drags, the only way I could see what sort of differance it made was to make 4 or 5 runs bolt 20 lbs on the bike and make 4 or 5 more runs now this would have to be on the same day with at least close to the same conditions, I do know that once a certain level is reached it takes a shitpot more power to go just a little faster, on my dragster, it figured out to about 800 HP +or- to run the 4.80, supercharged on alcohol, blower at 5% overdrive 4.66, 1050 HP.....25% overdrive 4.40, 1225 HP......25% overdrive and 35% nitro/alcohol mix 1750 HP...4.13 ET............the car had more than enough power to go a lot faster but I was way overpowering the car, I geuss what I'm trying to say is when a car or bike gets to a certain power level its tough to guess what exactly made a differance in ET........as I said I don't know on a fast bike, but on my car 20 or 25 lbs was the differance between a full fuel tank a when its half full, I have run hundreds of runs both full and half full, and it made absolutly on measurable differance, in fact I think it was probably faster with the full tank
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Re: Weight Versus ET
« Reply #15 on: June 26, 2016, 07:45:41 PM »
Then not to mention aerodynamics possibly making a difference after 140mph or so.

Yea I know about it taking tons more HP to see similar changes in ET/MPH after awhile. After 9s I have no idea how much.

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Re: Weight Versus ET
« Reply #16 on: July 01, 2016, 08:47:52 AM »



The quicker / faster / lighter the bike / rider package is,
the more I would think the amount of weight would be less to cost you a 10th.
 

With a lighter package & more power ~ please remember to add more gear .  .  .

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Re: Weight Versus ET
« Reply #17 on: July 01, 2016, 02:52:39 PM »
That is why we went to a 19 vs an 18 up front on this turbo-build.  MUCH more power/torque with a turbo. 
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