Can you run with the Big Boys in the 1000cc class ?

[scott g]

Relax Scott  I know who you are, 
just look at your past comments about how the AMA and FIM
works and how you hate them both, you have great knowledge but its tainted.

Well, I assume from your comment that
you think I am  "against" FIM and the AMA.

I prefer to think of it this way:

I am NOT "against the FIM" I just think
they are overblown, not good public servants,
and riding on an outdated reputation.

I am NOT "against" the AMA - I am a life member !

I am often disappointed in how the AMA "front office"
treats the racers, and I am often disappointed
by the way they operate their races.

I think our disagreement is this:

I DISAGREE with the AMA and FIM from time to time,
while supporting (sometimes with money)
more than 90% of what they do.

YOU, therefore" seem to feel that since I do not support the AMA
and the FIM 100%, than I MUST be "AGAINST them.

I disagree.........

[scott g]

Yes Scott,   AMA rules say within same day  FIM is 2 hours

Right !

I sit corrected !

Is that, for the AMA
the same PHYSICAL mile,
or the same RELATIVE mile

[AlterEgo]

Relax Scott  nothing over my head that I cant handle. Not looking for a pissing contest, just facts, as I'm making observations trying to figure out all the animosity towards the AMA and FIM.  I do find it weird they 200 club accept FIM but not AMA, same track, same timing, same inspectors, same run. 

Sorry that my observations and curiosity bothers you and is real.   I always wondered what was up with that now I have a first hand account of what happened.  Was it just one instant from the AMA or multiple,  like I said I'v made a few observations of people in the wrong class and they corrected it on the spot. 

FIM rules are lots looser than AMA.  Overall they both do a great job putting on an event.

[/quote]

Again, you are WAY over your head !

I was, at the time, a member of the Board of Directors for the
Bonneville 200 MPH Club, and "inspected the AMA operation."

As per my above post, the AMA was found to not be able
to enforce their own rules, or establish the correctness of the entries.

The AMA was found "not ready for prime time.

The FIM was fine.

The Bonneville 200 Club recognizes records set under the FIM.

It is in our by-laws, and in our soul.

It is the BONNEVILLE 200 CLUB,
NOT the SCTA 200 club.

ALL Bonneville records (including the snow-mobile-classified-as-a-motorcycle)
set under FIM rules may be included under the BONNEVILLE 200 club rules.
[/quote]

[FlaminRoo]

Anyone involved in motorsport in general soon realizes that when it comes to dealing with different sanctioning bodies its all part of the game  ,, I guess we "all" have a story of injustice 

[AlterEgo]

Same mile just in reverse direction.

Yes Scott,   AMA rules say within same day  FIM is 2 hours

Right !

I sit corrected !

Is that, for the AMA
the same PHYSICAL mile,
or the same RELATIVE mile

[AlterEgo]

Yes i was robbed out of two World Records once, but it came down to me not making sure my run was logged it.

Anyone involved in motorsport in general soon realizes that when it comes to dealing with different sanctioning bodies its all part of the game  ,, I guess we "all" have a story of injustice 

[joea]

""SOUR GRAPES, and now the AMA has the 201 MPH club vs.  the SCTA 200 MPH club. Funny how 200MPH club was trumped by its own arrogance..."

well "The Bonneville 200 MPH Club"  began in the 50's to recognize spectacular history making feat...200 then was just that...

the "integrity" of the Club and hence entry into this CLUB is ensured by requiring "history making" accomplishment...

not "breaking 200"...

not just breaking a record of 200....As we ALL know, WHAT THE RECORD IS THAT IS BROKEN is "paramount" to the achievment

so The Bonneville 200 MPH Club requires the 200 plus record to be monumental through establishing MINIMUMS based on CLASS POTENTIAL based on records over history in and around the class ...

ie some classes at Bonneville require cars to exceed 300...360 etal MPH to gain entry into the Club, some bike classes minimum based on potential could be 220, 230, 260 etc..

ie a Hayabusa running in blown class going 200 is NOT a monumental achievement and does not garner recognition and entry into The Bonneville 200 MPH Club....

its to protect what the club stands for...the integrity of the achievment...

so MINIMUM history setting achievement mark to gain entry is listed in the Two Club, for each class

SO, you can decide which 200 mph club you aspire to...and which you feel has the greatest "integrity"...

[FlaminRoo]

Back in the day achieving 200mph was a "Real Achievement",, (pie in the sky stuff)

Technology today has seen that mitigated,,

Integrity is evident regardless of class and speed,,

[AlterEgo]

Yes,  you can buy a stock bike and hit 200 pretty easy out of the box.

Back in the day achieving 200mph was a "Real Achievement",, (pie in the sky stuff)

Technology today has seen that mitigated,,

Integrity is evident regardless of class and speed,,

[scott g]

This deserves bold type......
and is so RIGHT !

""SOUR GRAPES, and now the AMA has the 201 MPH club vs.  the SCTA 200 MPH club. Funny how 200MPH club was trumped by its own arrogance..."

well "The Bonneville 200 MPH Club"  began in the 50's to recognize spectacular history making feat...200 then was just that...

the "integrity" of the Club and hence entry into this CLUB is ensured by requiring "history making" accomplishment...

not "breaking 200"...

not just breaking a record of 200....As we ALL know, WHAT THE RECORD IS THAT IS BROKEN is "paramount" to the achievment

so The Bonneville 200 MPH Club requires the 200 plus record to be monumental through establishing MINIMUMS based on CLASS POTENTIAL based on records over history in and around the class ...

ie some classes at Bonneville require cars to exceed 300...360 etal MPH to gain entry into the Club, some bike classes minimum based on potential could be 220, 230, 260 etc..

ie a Hayabusa running in blown class going 200 is NOT a monumental achievement and does not garner recognition and entry into The Bonneville 200 MPH Club....

its to protect what the club stands for...the integrity of the achievment...

so MINIMUM history setting achievement mark to gain entry is listed in the Two Club, for each class

SO, you can decide which 200 mph club you aspire to...and which you feel has the greatest "integrity"...

[scott g]

Back in the day achieving 200mph was a "Real Achievement",, (pie in the sky stuff)

Technology today has seen that mitigated,,

Integrity is evident regardless of class and speed,,

My first MOTORCYCLE 200 mph record was a
2-way average of 201.+++ mph in 1990.

700cc

Original frame, forks, engine, bore
and stroke of a 1974 motorcycle.

NO turbo, just carburetors and pump gas

NO PART on the bike was newer
than 1980, 'cept the tires.

Factory ignition, heads etc.

NO technology,
just smarts........

[FlaminRoo]

Yup  , we move on and along with todays technology accelerate towards the next benchmark of 300mph 

which reminds me, I have a LandSpeed bike in the garage that I should be working on, not sitting here at this laptop talking with folks on the other side of the world due to "Technology" 

[AlterEgo]

Yeah  back in those days that was fast!!

Back in the day achieving 200mph was a "Real Achievement",, (pie in the sky stuff)

Technology today has seen that mitigated,,

Integrity is evident regardless of class and speed,,

My first MOTORCYCLE 200 mph record was a
2-way average of 201.+++ mph in 1990.

700cc

Original frame, forks, engine, bore
and stroke of a 1974 motorcycle.

NO turbo, just carburetors and pump gas

NO PART on the bike was newer
than 1980, 'cept the tires.

Factory ignition, heads etc.

NO technology,
just smarts........

[AlterEgo]

Today the Ducati 1299 stock but for gearing and race fuel will do 204.2 in the 1.5 mile with a little practice she would have had 200 in the mile. 

Stock for stock the 1299 is the fastest N/A in production right now. We proved it, not bad for a V-Twin.

[AlterEgo]

Yup me too!  I'm working on my 250MPH project now and I'm behind.

Great conversation guys.  Cheers!!!!

Yup  , we move on and along with todays technology accelerate towards the next benchmark of 300mph 

which reminds me, I have a LandSpeed bike in the garage that I should be working on, not sitting here at this laptop talking with folks on the other side of the world due to "Technology" 

[MJ Williams]

Boy this topic headed down some roads I never expected. 

[piratediverjefff]

 

[AlterEgo]

Just racers talking shit like racers do.... Poor Scott gets a little bent once in a while then he realizes his errors.

[joea]

some things are "better" than records...being the "first" to do a big thing...

Roo...cheers to you mate...NO one else in the world...can every be the "first Australian to
ride a motorcycle 200 mph at Bonneville" 

a most sincere congrats and massive kudos to YOU..

ps...ego..Scott does get a little "bent" when it comes to "history"...and for good reason, he
was "there" for nearly ALL of it...he may be a great resource for you in your 250 mph project..as he
did that a long, long, long time ago, he and I do not always see eye to eye as well...and thats ok, he is still there for all

[scott g]

...I'm working on my 250MPH project
now and I'm behind...

I looked up the FIM world records,
and they are in the link you published.

Good on you, mate !

PS:  They have a bunch of records from "Nardo."

Did they run those "backwards" as well ?

The main point of this response is to point out that
MAYBE you have suggested your life's Goal:

an FIM sit-on record over 250 mph at Bonneville.

I only counted three guys that have done that,
and YOU would be in a VERY small group
of VERY accomplished racers !

A worthy goal, yes ?

[AlterEgo]

250 is going to be tough, my other bike handled the salt at 222 ok, this one is better!

...I'm working on my 250MPH project
now and I'm behind...

I looked up the FIM world records,
and they are in the link you published.

Good on you, mate !

PS:  They have a bunch of records from "Nardo."

Did they run those "backwards" as well ?

The main point of this response is to point out that
MAYBE you have suggested your life's Goal:

an FIM sit-on record over 250 mph at Bonneville.

I only counted three guys that have done that,
and YOU would be in a VERY small group
of VERY accomplished racers !

A worthy goal, yes ?

[FlaminRoo]

Thankyou Joe, but a huge"Thankyou"to Richard and Jason (both New Zelanders) for giving me the opptunity 

Concerning the "three" at Bonneville, didn't John Noonan set a FIM Record (250+) but never accepted it ??,(which would make it four), (ive not checked the FIM list lately)

[scott g]

Thankyou Joe, but a huge"Thankyou"to Richard and Jason (both New Zelanders) for giving me the opptunity 

Concerning the "three" at Bonneville, didn't John Noonan set a FIM Record (250+) but never accepted it ??,(which would make it four), (ive not checked the FIM list lately)

I think you are correct.

Make it four (4)

[scott g]

250 is going to be tough,
my other bike handled the salt at 222 ok,
this one is better!

The difference between 222
and 250 both ways is substantial.

Hope you are up for it.............

[scott g]

ps...ego..Scott does get a little "bent" when it comes to "history"...
and for good reason, he was "there" for nearly ALL of it...
he may be a great resource for you in your 250 mph project..as he
did that a long, long, long time ago, he and I do not always see
eye to eye as well...and that's ok, he is still there for all

Thank you for the kind and understanding words Joe.

I have asked AlterEgo, here on this thread,
who he is, and what his LSR qualifications are.

No answers............

I am afraid, until I am educated otherwise, I
am going to have to assume he is some know-nothing twit,
that has no accomplishments of note, and is just hiding behind a screen name.

All talk no action...........

I have helped six(6) riders get over 250 mph.

AlterEgo will not be in that group anytime soon !

Prove yourself first my friend, and I may
help you beyond your wildest dreams.

Until you prove yourself........you are nothing........

(Hows THAT for motivation ?)