Can it be true ? STOCK Kawasaki hits 249 mph ?

[scott g]

http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/videos/a29797/kawasaki-h2r-249-mph/

   
   



WOW !!!!!!!

Pretty impressive all around !

I am not sure how reliable
that speed is, but the whole film
in VERY impressive.

IF I was to find fault:

1)  The timing in on board, which today
is probably pretty accurate IF it is GPS based.

IF it is wheel-speed based on the rear wheel,
than with the usual and expectable 5-10% wheel spin,
the 400 KPH would be substantially reduced.


2)  We don't know the length of the run (yet)
although that could be calculated from the video.


3)  The run travels from one bridge-suspension arch past the other. 
Suspension bridges have their high point near the middle of the span. 
That means the last (fast) half of the run is DOWNHILL. 
Is that fair.


4) STILL: Impressive for a factory-issued, over-the-counter bike,
and FASTER than any recorded speed for ANY MotoGP bike, EVER !

Cheers, Scott

[scott g]

Quick info:

The run takes about 31 seconds
from start to throttle-chop.

Typical mile run to 250 mph takes 21-23 seconds,
depending on rider and torque. 

(Us fat guys take longer).

Start (from the film) @ 0.57 sec's.

300 knph ( 186 mph)  =  @ 69 seconds

350 kmph (217 mph) = @ 73 seconds

400 kmph ( 249 mph ) = @ 88 seconds.

So:  zero to 186 mph ~= 12 seconds
 186 mph to 217 mph ~= 04 seconds
217 mph to 249 mph ~= 15 seconds

What's the takeaway ?

The last 50 kilo's is the hard part,
and from 217 mph to 249 mph took about half the run.

My guess is that the run was between 1.3 and 2.0 miles.

[AlterEgo]

Could be just lots of hype, looks like no timing traps, just speedo, and they are claiming a world record, was the  FIM sanctioning this ? No. just another hyped claim IMO.  As said before if they want to claim a world record they should do it properly at an FIM event , these are the only World Records.

[scott g]

Could be just lots of hype, looks like no timing traps, just speedo, and they are claiming a world record, was the  FIM sanctioning this ? No. just another hyped claim IMO.  As said before if they want to claim a world record they should do it properly at an FIM event , these are the only World Records.

These are very good points !

There is a great difference between
 "WORLD RECORD" and "WORLD'S BEST."

The FIM claims to offer "WORLD RECORDS,"
but the FIM is a minor player in the motorcycle
LSR world, sanctioning maybe 1%
of the LSR runs in a year's time.  T

he FIM is mostly about paying HUGE fees,
and following their HUGE rules requirements........
all to get a "record" that is "invisible" because
nobody can FIND the record to refer to.....

(Prove me wrong:  POST the link to the FIM
records standing since the end of 2015)

The FIM is a HORRIBLE waste of money.

I would take SCTA, Loring, ECTA, BMST over
anything that the FIM offers in terms of showing
who is "The World's Best."

[AlterEgo]

You are kidding right?  The FIM /FIA and AMA is the largest World and National Motorcycle sanctioning body there is. They have been doing this since the very beginning, before SCTA, ECTA, Elmerage, BIN .  FIM are World Superbike, World Supersport. MotoGP 1, 2, and 3.  Enduro, flat track, trials, motor cross, Rallies, and LSR.   FIM is where the youngsters move up to after excelling on the Club Level.

Their rules, timing, certified track, wind cert, impound and tech is as tight as it gets, there are World and National Records that go back to the 70's that still stand. Thousands from around the World come for those events to compete.  They have to hire real surveyors to measure, certify track flatness, and certified time keepers in order to pass AMA/FIM standards

Here is your link to the real World Records
http://www.fim-live.com/en/sport/ranking/world-records-attempts/
http://bonnevillespeedtrials.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/AMA-LSGC-SR-2016v13.pdf

I'm not triying to down play the event and Club records, I do those events also, they are great for speed, practice, testing and tuning.  But dont down play the FIM either, show up at one of their events with everything you need to race and you are racing!  Show up at an SCTA event with everything you need to race and they ask you "Who do you know"? 

Scott I know you been around the block a million times but not knowing the FIM and what they do???  You have to had watched MOTO GP, Rossi Valentino, the all time Worlds Greatest Motorcycle Road Race!!! Or World Superbike????  Have you seen them?

All of the top MOTO racers move up to FIM, all the Hayden boys from Texas,  They call them the first family of racing. http://www.cycleworld.com/2014/08/07/the-first-family-of-racing-motorcycle-book-by-earl-hayden

Ben Spies, started club racing, moved thru AMA, World SuperBike, then MOTO GP and so on and so on many more to name but I'm out of time on this one too!
So have fun with it all.  Cheers

These are very good points !

There is a great difference between
 "WORLD RECORD" and "WORLD'S BEST."

The FIM claims to offer "WORLD RECORDS,"
but the FIM is a minor player in the motorcycle
LSR world, sanctioning maybe 1%
of the LSR runs in a year's time.  T

he FIM is mostly about paying HUGE fees,
and following their HUGE rules requirements........
all to get a "record" that is "invisible" because
nobody can FIND the record to refer to.....

(Prove me wrong:  POST the link to the FIM
records standing since the end of 2015)

The FIM is a HORRIBLE waste of money.

I would take SCTA, Loring, ECTA, BMST over
anything that the FIM offers in terms of showing
who is "The World's Best."
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[RansomT]

Scott, I also made the exact same comments about the time in seconds of this run on another board.

This is what I know: From what I could find out, the bridge that the film took place is 1.6 miles long. This was filmed before the bridge was opened.
A "stock" H2R makes 310 bHP.  I'm not aware of any "stock fairing" bike that can even get close to 250 mph with only 310 bHP (about 290 wHP), let alone within a distance of 1.6 miles.
There is a certain N/A Altered bike that ran 254+ at Bonneville and ran 237+ in the 1.5 mile at Loring.  I do believe, just guessing, that it makes a few more HP than a stock H2R. And it has a very nice aero package.
The fastest speed at an event of a H2 or H2R that I aware of here in the States, is 227+ mph.

[Oz Booster]

None have tested at any where near the claimed hp i think even 290 is generous
max boost recall shows std
And its gearing looks like the std 18/42 , definitely 42 on rear 
Media stunt ..

[AlterEgo]

None have tested at any where near the claimed hp i think even 290 is generous
max boost recall shows std
And its gearing looks like the std 18/42 , definitely 42 on rear 
Media stunt ..

I think so

[scott g]

You are kidding right? 

Actually, no I wasn't kidding,
but that's just my parochial view  point......

I, and several of my riders have / or had full-on FIM competition licenses.
so I assume you too, being such a fan of the FIM have such a license

I stand on my opinion that the FIM
is a minor player in MOTORCYCLE LSR.

In 2013, How many runs were made by
FIM competitors in FIM LSR competitions

Maybe 50 ?

Add up the runs by SCTA, BUB, Loring, Texas, etc,
and you may get 5,000 or more.

Quality or quantity ?

If quality of records over 250 mph,
how many are there in the FIM ?

[Rocketgeezer]

Great running bike for sure, except I dont put a lot of stock in so called record runs that are never backed up, just like a lot of people think Andy Green is the first to break the sound barrier on land, he is not, Stan Barretts run that was backed up was, but it was not recognized because the "car" only had 3 wheels  until I see or hear of it being done at a meet here, run by people that are known and trusted, that speed is highly suspect, ............ if that bike did really run 249.......best guess is he was drafting Bills ghost, and possably Dave O was chasing him

[Oz Booster]

I think 3 Bikes without looking it up (i'm not going through that rule book untill i absolutely have to)
2013 is not a fair comparison , but your right its a dedicated few , and expensive , my insurance alone is over $1000  AU and unlike entry fees not a chance at a refund if cancelled

[scott g]

I think 3 Bikes without looking it up (i'm not going through that rule book untill i absolutely have to)
2013 is not a fair comparison , but your right its a dedicated few , and expensive , my insurance alone is over $1000  AU and unlike entry fees not a chance at a refund if cancelled

Last time I inquired, my fees for a couple of bikes to run at
Cook's FIM meet would have been about $10,000 for the entry.

BMST is a no-go for us, since we would get so few runs.

[Landspeed Larry]

Great running bike for sure, except I dont put a lot of stock in so called record runs that are never backed up, just like a lot of people think Andy Green is the first to break the sound barrier on land, he is not, Stan Barretts run that was backed up was, but it was not recognized because the "car" only had 3 wheels  until I see or hear of it being done at a meet here, run by people that are known and trusted, that speed is highly suspect, ............ if that bike did really run 249.......best guess is he was drafting Bills ghost, and possably Dave O was chasing him

Geezer, I think you better get some Prevagen. Andy Green was the first to break the sound barrier. In fact he did it twice. The first time he missed the hour turnaround by minutes as his parachutes failed and the team had to chase him 11 miles further down the course to service the car. Stan Barrett ran on Edwards AF base dirt. The first run was close, the second he missed the traps so the team got the AF to extrapolate radar data comparing the Bud car to a 35 mph fire truck running parallel. Not even as good as the H2R going 400kph on the speedo. Oh and Craig Breedlove ran a 3 wheeled car [m/c] that set the record. Remember he lost his chutes and landed in the dike.  LSL

[speedduck]

The FIM claims to offer "WORLD RECORDS,"
but the FIM is a minor player in the motorcycle
LSR world, sanctioning maybe 1%
of the LSR runs in a year's time.  T

he FIM is mostly about paying HUGE fees,
and following their HUGE rules requirements........
all to get a "record" that is "invisible" because
nobody can FIND the record to refer to.....

(Prove me wrong:  POST the link to the FIM
records standing since the end of 2015)

The FIM is a HORRIBLE waste of money.

This is so true, if FIM was the only true world record it would leave most of the fastest riders out, no good.

And about the title claim, simply, no.
There is no way he hits true 249mph in 26 seconds with 300hp, even if it was the latest hi tech.
I was checking if the bridge would have downhill at the end, but there is not. Some hanging bridges have very steep downhill at the end.

It`s no good for the true land speeders that they are claiming this kind of records, common man will believe this and after i will hear a question, why don`t you run a 300mph with your busa when you have 600hp 

If any turkish bloke came to me and said "good day", i would have to check myself if it was a daytime.

[scott g]

Although I would like to believe
what is "implied" in the film, I do not........there
are just TOO many questions.........Is this "example"
a "factory development bike" that somehow made
a brief escape to run ?..........Is this a bike with a
"faulty" boost limiter ?.......

How hard would it have been to mount a GPS ?........

GREAT MOVIE (10 of 10)......

Believably ? (1 of 10)

[scott g]

200 Club member,
good writer and photographer
E DON SMITH
reminds me of a conversation we
could have had about this bike and film:

Don:  "Scott, where could that bike have gone 249 mph ?"

Scott:  "Don......only one place in the world....."

Don:  "where's that ?"

Scot"  "at the brochure......."

[scott g]

Scott, I also made the exact same comments about the time in seconds of this run on another board.

This is what I know: From what I could find out, the bridge that the film took place is 1.6 miles long. This was filmed before the bridge was opened.
A "stock" H2R makes 310 bHP.  I'm not aware of any "stock fairing" bike that can even get close to 250 mph with only 310 bHP (about 290 wHP), let alone within a distance of 1.6 miles.
There is a certain N/A Altered bike that ran 254+ at Bonneville and ran 237+ in the 1.5 mile at Loring.  I do believe, just guessing, that it makes a few more HP than a stock H2R. And it has a very nice aero package.
The fastest speed at an event of a H2 or H2R that I aware of here in the States, is 227+ mph.

THAT sure sounds more realistic !

[speedduck]

I have a friend who has a H2 and he built it for higher specs, around 280hp, he also has several other Kawasakis and race bikes. He didn`t hesitate a second to say the 249 can`t be true speed for that H2R.

[scott g]

I have a friend who has a H2 and he built it
for higher specs, around 280hp, he also has
several other Kawasakis and race bikes.

He didn`t hesitate a second to say the 249
can`t be true speed for that H2R.

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Take it from the man who owns one.......

[AlterEgo]

To all of us, its pretty clear a media stunt, to the rest it's real.

At the last Mojave event there was an H2, not the H2r.   But it was unrestricted, tuned up and capable team, including Brock.  Tt only ran 226.9 in the 1.5 mile with quartering tail winds up to 15-20. I believe they were claiming around 300 HP. NA busas were running 215, and a NA BMW ran 219.  Mike Garcia on turbo big cc busa ran 254.

Look at second set of times 226.9.
http://www.mojavemile.com/images/pdf/mag4_results.pdf


Here it claims ECTA 3000cc MPS G record at 219  Whats up with that anyone Know?
http://www.brocksperformance.com/brocknm/templates/bpp1.aspx?articleid=752&zoneid=1   

[RansomT]

Here it claims ECTA 3000cc MPS G record at 219  Whats up with that anyone Know?
http://www.brocksperformance.com/brocknm/templates/bpp1.aspx?articleid=752&zoneid=1

Well, if you are asking about the 3000cc class, you can bump up engine classes in ECTA.  The 219 speed was darn good considering the winds at the September event.  My nitrous bike sat in the pits the entire event because I wasn't going to run it with those crosswinds.  I know it was a H2 with very little miles with all of Brock's bolt ons; supposedly makes nearly the same HP as a H2R.

[Team Millholland]

What exactly is your question AlterEgo, maybe I can help since I was there helping.....that was my oldest son Zack riding the H2.

Dan

Oh yeah, I'm kinda doubting that speedometer is 100% correct!    Cool run though.

[speedduck]

One more,
12 years ago i ran my perfectly stock -00 busa to the max on a highway, speedo was showing 211mph,
how could this be possible, was i moto-gp class rider, was it a world record ?
No, my skills are below average as a rider, and i`m much bigger than the Turkish H2R rider. The bike with stock gearing and worn rear tyre had a 10% error in speedo reading and i was running a long downhill. It felt nice though. True max speed on flat ground would`ve been 180-185mph, on a good day.

[FlaminRoo]

One more,
12 years ago i ran my perfectly stock -00 busa to the max on a highway, speedo was showing 211mph,
how could this be possible, was i moto-gp class rider, was it a world record ?
No, my skills are below average as a rider, and i`m much bigger than the Turkish H2R rider. The bike with stock gearing and worn rear tyre had a 10% error in speedo reading and i was running a long downhill. It felt nice though. True max speed on flat ground would`ve been 180-185mph, on a good day.

great point Speedduck, it would be interesting to know what diameter size the rear tyre was, from this we could soon figger "true" speed, not indicated 

[scott g]

One more,
12 years ago i ran my perfectly stock -00 busa to the max on a highway, speedo was showing 211mph,
 True max speed on flat ground would`ve been 180-185mph, on a good day.

Quite right !

We did substantial testing
on the 00 model when it was new.

Some of the findings were:

1)  We had a pretty good unit, and
found 162 RWHP on a Dynojet 250.

2) Speedometer would indicate over
 200 on the open highway.

3)  Our two (2) best runs at Maxton were 192+ mph,
and the only change from stock was one (1) tooth
higher on the countershaft sprocket.

4) I have never seen a "measured mile"
speed faster than the above.

5) Removing the standard fairing cost
14 mph (average) in top speed.

we did 20 runs WITH the fairing, and
20 without, and 14mph was the average.